Ahmadi charged with posing as Muslim for second time in Sargodha

Published: August 7, 2012

Jeweller Muhammad Ashraf was charged for putting up a translation of Quranic text in his shop.

LAHORE: An Ahmadi jeweller in Silanwali, Sargodha was charged with blasphemy for the second time in his life for “posing as a Muslim” and for putting up a translation of the Quranic text in his shop.

Muhammad Ashraf, who was earlier charged along with his co-workers in 2009 for posing as Muslims, was charged with blasphemy on July 23 this year under Section 298-C on the complaint of Hafiz Muhammad Imran.

Ashraf was sent to Central Jail Sargodha on July 24 and was released on bail on the exchange of bail bonds worth Rs50,000 on July 31. The case is under trial at a local magisterial court in Sargodha.

The FIR registered against Ashraf mentioned that he had put up translations of text from the Holy Quran in his shop at Kobi Market, Saeed Bazar, which was against the Section 298-C of 1984 Ordinance.

As per Section 298-C, an Ahmadi who “refers to his faith as Islam, or preaches or propagates his faith, or invites others to accept his faith, by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representations, or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religious feelings of Muslims” will be punished with up to three years in prison and is liable to pay a fine.

The text translation in Ashraf’s shop read, “O people of faith always speak the straight truth.”

The Station House Officer (SHO) of the Silanwali Police Station, Irfan Safdar, told The Express Tribune that, “After the complaint, our security constable Aslam and other investigation staff of police went to verify if the translation of the Quranic text was actually there at Ashraf’s shop, and it was. So we registered the FIR.”

The SHO said the security constables verified that, “Ashraf was spreading his faith and pretends to be a Muslim.” He further said that the “entire process of verification and taking Ashraf into custody took about two hours. Ashraf was taken into custody and then the FIR was registered quickly after that.”

According to details shared with The Express Tribune, on July 22, Hafiz Imran came to the jeweller’s shop which has been in the market for seven years, and asked for removal of the translation, which Ashraf refused to take off.

Ashraf recalled that Imran said to him “these are good words, but this (Ashraf’s shop) is not a good place.”

The next day, when Ashraf went to open his shop at around 11am, he met the police security constable Aslam, who according to the SHO verified the presence of the Quranic text translation in Ashraf’s shop.

Ashraf said the police security constable was followed by another man in civilian clothes from the Criminal Investigation Department (CID) who picked him up and said that the SHO wanted to speak to him.

Ashraf was then taken to the police station and put behind bars. Eventually he was imprisoned for six days in the Central Jail Sargodha where he stayed in the same section as that of murderers and prisoners on death row.

In 2009, Ashraf and two other Ahmadi men who have businesses in the same market, were arrested for ‘posing as Muslims’ and for praying inside a room in the market. After spending 28 days in jail after that FIR, Ashraf and his co-accused got bail from the court.

District Police Officer (DPO) Sargodha Dr Rizwan told The Express Tribune that, “In my field of experience, the intolerance against Ahmadis has considerably decreased, over the last few years – I mean the use of violence against them by the extreme right wing. The use of legal apparatus to redress perceived transgression is indicative of improved civility.”

Spokesperson of the Ahmadi community in Pakistan, Saleemuddin asked, “Does the Punjab police have nothing better to do, than to register FIRs against peaceful citizens on complaints of every cleric? Do they not have terrorists and criminals to catch for people’s protection?”

The community says that there are a number of cases which are pending in courts against Ahmadi citizens, in which even women and children have been charged with 298-C. There is also an active FIR registered against the residents of the entire town of Rabwah with the same charges. Rabwah, or Chanab Nagar, is in district Jhang of Punjab and has the highest population of Ahmadi community in Pakistan.

‘Treated like lepers and Jews’

Leading human rights activist, former chairperson HRCP and former president Supreme Court Bar Association of Pakistan Asma Jahangir while speaking to The Express Tribune said that the government officials have always given a message that they do not recognise the Ahmadi community, which is “treated like lepers and Jews” in Pakistan.

Commenting on the current state of Ahmadi persecution, Jahangir said that “the situation is so bad that I, who do not support the Ahmadi faith but oppose their persecution, have been threatened.”

Jahangir added that the “politicians will only care about Ahmadi community when they are not on the separate electorate anymore.”

Reader Comments (147)

  • Kafir
    Aug 7, 2012 - 6:41PM

    With this level of intolerance, this failed nation will soon cease to exist.

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  • Shayan
    Aug 7, 2012 - 6:41PM

    The fact remains that Ahmedis pretending to be muslims is against the law. The DPO is right and what he means is that had there been no law we would have more hate crimes against the Ahmeddis by the extremists.

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  • bellal
    Aug 7, 2012 - 6:42PM

    Keep doing it. You as a nation just counting days.

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  • Awans
    Aug 7, 2012 - 6:46PM

    Wow Putting up Quranic Verse in Your Shop is a Blashphemy ???. So now Muslims become the Thekedaars of Islam and Allah. Tomorrow they will charge someone who will say that Muslim’s God and my God is same. If this is Real Islam which is propagated in Pakistan where Supposed Non Muslims are not even allowed to touch Quran and they are Considered like Achoots and Dirty people and they cannot even have some verse of Quran erect on the wall then I am better to be without this Kind of Islam and i should better adopt Deism which my most friends are following now a days and they love everybody without Prejudice propagated by others.

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  • Awans
    Aug 7, 2012 - 6:47PM

    This News piece is very relevant to the above news piece. Myanmar is doing very bad but we are the biggest Hypocrites on the planet.
    http://tribune.com.pk/story/418708/rohingya-muslims-zardari-writes-letter-to-myanmar-president/

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  • Singh
    Aug 7, 2012 - 6:49PM

    What a society. It is ok to convert on live TV but can’t put a text on wall. Then claim they are civilized society.

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  • Dr Boodhun
    Aug 7, 2012 - 6:53PM

    “Jahangir said that “the situation is so bad that I, who do not support the Ahmadi faith but oppose their persecution, have been threatened.”

    Anybody who attributes a faith to himself/herself obviously implies that, that person does not support any other faith. Likewise Mrs. Jahangir do not support any other denomination within or outside Islam except her own.

    It is courageous of her to say that she opposes the persecution of the Pakistani Ahmadies.

    Remember that in the early years of Islam the Holy Prophet (saw) and his followers were persecuted by the disbelievers of Mecca.

    I will draw the attention of the Government of Pakistan and the Mullah community to behave like the Prophets of God and not like the opponents.

    Dr. Boodhun
    Canada

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  • Akshay, India
    Aug 7, 2012 - 6:53PM

    If Ahmadis spread their faith, its their moral and cultural right, just as many SUNNI MUSLIMS spread Islam in non-muslim nations like India(Zakir Naik), USA, etc. Pakistani Muslims must shed their hypocrisy and start behaving like responsible humans — few days back there was lot of “hulla gulla” on the persecution of Burmese Muslims, so why Pakistan allows persecution of Ahmadis….Shameful. Recommend

  • Ahmad
    Aug 7, 2012 - 6:53PM

    where is my comment???!

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  • wahab
    Aug 7, 2012 - 6:58PM

    These laws against ahmedis are inhuman!

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  • Indian
    Aug 7, 2012 - 6:58PM

    As per Section 298-C, an Ahmadi who “refers to his faith as Islam, or preaches or propagates his faith, or invites others to accept his faith, by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representations, or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religious feelings of Muslims” will be punished with up to three years in prison and is liable to pay a fine.
    Man i fail to understand this.
    1. Genetically Pakistanis are not Arabs.
    2. Practically every Muslim in Pakistan is a convert of other religion to Islam (and dare i say mostly ‘Hindus’) due thanks to the Arab invasion of Indian subcontinent at that time.
    3. A Pakistani practically never follows the spirit of The Holy Quran but is always busy proving oneself more Muslim than the other fellow around and misinterpreting any/every thing in The Holy Quran.
    4. Islam is infact the religion of peace, but i doubt it is practised in Pakistan as ‘Peace’ in Pakistan’s history is for every/any one to see.
    So, if one were to apply the same statement that has been mentioned here in Section 298-C to all Pakistanis, virtually every Pakistani is a ‘Kafir’!!
    I rest my case with this statement – “Calling oneself a follower of Almighty and actually being one are two different things. The first one is a hypocrite and the second one a true Deciple.

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  • Yuri Kondratyuk
    Aug 7, 2012 - 6:58PM

    So, this process of eliminating the people who are less pure is expected to result in a single uber-pure Pakistani couple that will repopulate Pakistan like the Adam and Eve?

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  • Acorn Guts
    Aug 7, 2012 - 6:58PM

    “O people of faith always speak the straight truth.”

    How ugly one has to be to take down something so beautiful? Well I am Ahmadi and have just put up a print-out of this verse with translation high up on my desk.

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  • Babbarsher Khan
    Aug 7, 2012 - 6:59PM

    Agony, thy name is Pakistan! It seems that this ordeal has no end.

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  • Aryabhat
    Aug 7, 2012 - 7:07PM

    I am sure now Mr Zardari will write letter to…….ummmmm himself?

    Just as he wrote to the Burmese President for Rohingyas?

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  • Aug 7, 2012 - 7:07PM

    Meanwhile scientists all around the world are celebrated the precision landing of a rover on Mars. Pakistanis are baffled by religion… us usual.

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  • afzaalkhan
    Aug 7, 2012 - 7:07PM

    Stop breaking the law and you won’t be arrested.

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  • 1984
    Aug 7, 2012 - 7:10PM

    Now,where are those religious apologists who say “Islam is for entire humanity and Quran is a message for both muslims and non-muslims”

    What if someone catches a Hindu or Christian reading Quran,according to these people’s advie and tried for blasphemy for posing as a muslim??

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  • HADI SAKEY
    Aug 7, 2012 - 7:12PM

    Whatever FAITH anybody is following is his faith. Let him do it. Police dismantled Minarets of Ahmedi Mosque in Kharian, disfigured KALIMA written outside their mosque. Pakistan was made for the Muslims of India. If the Sunni majority of Jamaat Islami wants Pakistan to be 100% Sunni State they should amend the Constitution. ZAB in order to remain in power declared Ahmedis non-Muslims. Then made General Ziaul Haq added some nuts and bolts and made Pakistan and Pakistani nation a religious ridden people. Overdose of religion will lead Pakistan no where in the comity of nations.

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  • Jihad Bil-Qalam
    Aug 7, 2012 - 7:12PM

    According to the Quran, Allah is the creator of the entire universe and whatever is in it, and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was sent to the the entire humanity [and not just toward Muslims]. Could someone educate me what is theologically wrong if a non-Muslim wants to take inspiration from the Quran or Hadith without accepting Isalm? I wil greatly appreciate that.

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  • R.A
    Aug 7, 2012 - 7:13PM

    He should have posted a display
    " Never speak the truth always lie to your customers "
    and he would have been a free man
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  • AK
    Aug 7, 2012 - 7:23PM

    Shame on us as a nation.

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  • Ahmad
    Aug 7, 2012 - 7:25PM

    @Acorn Guts: Well it’s the first part of the ayah where you lack to understand the difference.

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  • s shah
    Aug 7, 2012 - 7:34PM

    How shameful. How can one look inside the heart of a person and see what they believe and dont believe. That should be left to Allah SWT. If the verse from the Quran was put up with love and respect then who is anyone to take it down. Is our faith so weak that we are frightened of so called ‘imposters”. Live and let live.

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  • SaqibTahir
    Aug 7, 2012 - 7:34PM

    Pakistan is in a shameful state. A nation created on the base of hate is bound to fail due to hate.

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  • nasir
    Aug 7, 2012 - 7:37PM

    Outrages! – Pakistan should rename itself Mullahstan

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  • Umar
    Aug 7, 2012 - 7:38PM

    There is so many interest in Pakistan. We should ask or selves are we a sunni state?
    If yes then we should not attack other groups we just shall tell others the truht wo this groups are and why there is fatwa on them. We should stand for one opinion and not many. Iran has realized that so many muslim died in the war against shia and sunni. Sunnu and shia can never be an ally. Pakistan should not try to make a mixed system, because one day the system will kill each other. Ofcourse I won’t to see muslim ben unit but the case right now in Pakistan is the amy is mixed shia and sunni and so on. But just think if the staring to kill each other?

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  • Kafir
    Aug 7, 2012 - 7:40PM

    @bellal:
    Inshallah

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  • Mullah Ka Bab
    Aug 7, 2012 - 7:41PM

    @Shayan: What happened to those men that promoted these laws -Zia / Bhutto etc… ? – Allah is the best of planners

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  • Rahman
    Aug 7, 2012 - 7:45PM

    This is height of ignorance, arrogance and brain washed society. Even the posting of translation of Holy Quran has become a crime in Islamic Republic of Pakistan (inna Lillahe wa Inna alaihe rajeon). Now it has become a crime to appreciate or like any part of the Quran or its translation by “non-Muslims”? What an unfortunate situation we have dug into…… May Allah guide us…

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  • Aftab Kenneth Wilson
    Aug 7, 2012 - 7:48PM

    Few months back even a Christian was charged for holding Holy Quran in his hand while giving a sermon on interfaith relationships. I think we don’t need any outsider to bring our down fall.

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  • Raw is War
    Aug 7, 2012 - 7:50PM

    nice country.

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  • Mehboob
    Aug 7, 2012 - 8:02PM

    Wasn’t Quran, Islam and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) sent for the whole world, all the people of the earth. What is the problem if some non-Muslim likes our religion.

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  • Ali
    Aug 7, 2012 - 8:05PM

    This is what happens when religion rules a country! Time to go fully secular. To each their own!

    We need to concentrate on eudcating our people and uplifting them from poverty not about what religion they have!

    these mullahs have nothing better to do!

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  • Noise
    Aug 7, 2012 - 8:07PM

    I think this Hafiz Imran who filed the complaint against Ahmadis displaying Quranic verses should be slapped. Ahmadis also believe in the Quran, this is common knowledgeRecommend

  • Truth bites
    Aug 7, 2012 - 8:11PM

    That is the way of treating those who believe in a fake and impostor.Recommend

  • Prabhjyot Singh Madan
    Aug 7, 2012 - 8:17PM

    I want Pakistan to survive for india’s sake.

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  • Amina Adil
    Aug 7, 2012 - 8:18PM

    this is just sad

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  • Reddy
    Aug 7, 2012 - 8:19PM

    one more feather to the land of pure, quite an heroic act to save islam from the dirty kauffers and some body said it’s a religion of peace..lol

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  • harris
    Aug 7, 2012 - 8:22PM

    a well deserved failed state (Pakistan)

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  • Babloo
    Aug 7, 2012 - 8:24PM

    Why can’t Ahmedis freely practice and profess their religion in Pakistan ?
    Why can’t their place of worship look like whatever they want ?
    Why can’t they claim themselves to be followers of whatever faith, religion they want ?
    Sane answers please.

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  • Asif Mehmood
    Aug 7, 2012 - 8:24PM

    World is celeberating Mars expidition and our fellow Pakistanis are still confused about their own religion. Pakistani is going down to the drain.

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  • Jat
    Aug 7, 2012 - 8:25PM

    Barbarians ! Afghans are more outward looking, tolerant and moderate than Pakistanis. As are the Iranians.

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  • Reddy
    Aug 7, 2012 - 8:28PM

    @Jihad Bil-Qalam:”According to the Quran, Allah is the creator of the entire universe and whatever is in it”

    ya,he built the entire universe in 6 days,and raised mountains to support the sky from falling and in the end person responsible for the stupendous act claimed earth is flat….i read that from quaran

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  • Ihsan Vohra
    Aug 7, 2012 - 8:31PM

    Instead of writing

    “O people of faith always speak the straight truth.”

    One must say or write in Pakistan

    Always tell a lie.

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  • Hina
    Aug 7, 2012 - 8:33PM

    Its amazing how the thaikaay-daarz of the “True Islam” are Always busy causing havoc in one way or another! Keep it up.

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  • Khan's TIGER
    Aug 7, 2012 - 8:34PM

    We are trying our best to destroy ourselves. I don’t why it is a crime for a non muslim posting Quranic Verses in his business. No more hopes left for Pakistan. Think if they start doing the same thing with Muslims living in other countries. Recommend

  • Nadeem
    Aug 7, 2012 - 8:43PM

    We should pray for these kind of people God inai Haydaiyat dai, AMMEEN

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  • ML
    Aug 7, 2012 - 8:45PM

    Its actually hilarious to the point of being ridiculous that the police of Pakistan is most proficient in registering complaints only against innocent Ahmadis when criminals are running around free in this country. The Holy Quran was sent down as a book for ALL MANKIND just like the Holy Prophet (PBUH) was sent down as a Messenger for ALL MANKIND, just like God is God to ALL MANKIND. It does not take rocket science to comprehend this essential teaching of Islam, oh but wait these brand ambassadors of Islam actually don’t know a thing about the religion!

    Ahmadis are being given shelter everywhere in the world but their own country and there can’t be a more dismal state of affairs. Keep at it and that day isn’t far when this country will sink to the lowest pit and coming back from there will be impossible!

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  • Nadeem
    Aug 7, 2012 - 8:48PM

    @afzaalkhan:
    U r right tell people stop putting the (Quran ) Alfaz of Quran Subhan u r qualification

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  • Praveen
    Aug 7, 2012 - 8:48PM

    I just can’t understand , how can a Muslim thinks that the Koran, Mohammed is for entire human kind.Recommend

  • nitish
    Aug 7, 2012 - 8:50PM

    same can be situation in india but we hindu taught them lesson well…

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  • AhmadiEducation
    Aug 7, 2012 - 8:53PM

    “Wasn’t Quran, Islam and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) sent for the whole world, all the people of the earth. What is the problem if some non-Muslim likes our religion. “

    Dear Mehboob, you are right that islam is the only religion which is for the whole world. So when some non-Muslim accepts Islam, it is an occasion for joy and celebration for all Muslims. But Allah has warned us about those who say they have accepted Islam and worship the same God as Muslims, but hide their sin of following other religions. Allah dislikes such people the most.

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  • outlaw
    Aug 7, 2012 - 9:03PM

    I am ashamed to be a pakistani

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  • Ahmee Netherlands (Pakistani)
    Aug 7, 2012 - 9:12PM

    Blasphemy Law is a Blasphemy to Islam itself…It has nothing to do with the essence of Islam which is a message of peace, love, humanity, care and respect…

    AND THEN

    You ask why ALLAH SUBHANATALLAH is not happy with us, why we are facing the wrath, it is for this very reason!!!

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  • Umer
    Aug 7, 2012 - 9:15PM

    “O people of faith always speak the straight truth.”

    Figures. Telling anyone to speak the truth in is so in Pakistan is so blasphemous in these days.

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  • HADI SAKEY
    Aug 7, 2012 - 9:21PM

    I come from Bihar ( India). There is a sizable community of Ahmedis living in Monghyr district of Bihar. In fact some of my very close relatives are Ahmedis. Except that marriages were not allowed by our conservative ancestors in Ahmedi families. Rest of the Community life was very peaceful. During 1946 riots Ahmeds and Sunni Muslims grouped together against non-Muslims. We were living a very peaceful community life. Even after partition, everything was smooth. Maulana Maudodi was waiting for the ripe occasion. After the assassination of Liqat Ali Khan JI came out in the open leading to localized Martial Law in Lahore. JI could not succeed but ZAB did it – he declared Ahmedis non-Muslims and later on Ziaul Haq added some nuts and bolts to it. Pakistan has lost its path. A house divided among itself cannot exist for a long time.

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  • Umer
    Aug 7, 2012 - 9:22PM

    @Mehboob:

    Wasn’t Quran, Islam and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) sent for the whole world

    Who told you this? Pakistan law says otherwise.

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  • gp65
    Aug 7, 2012 - 9:24PM

    @Shayan: “The fact remains that Ahmedis pretending to be muslims is against the law. The DPO is right and what he means is that had there been no law we would have more hate crimes against the Ahmeddis by the extremists.”

    How does putting a text imply he is pretending to be a Muslim? I am a Hindu. If I put up the 10 commandments on my desk, does that mean I am pretending to be a Christian? No. IT means I am showing respect for another faith.

    If Amir Khan runs a show called Satyamev Jayate (Truth alone prevails) which is something in our Hindu scriptures, does that mean he is pretending to be a Hindu? No it means that he supports the truth – nothing more and nothing less.

    Apart from this incident, I know Ahmadis also have been arrested for simply greeting others in a way that is customary throughout Pakistan by stating that by using such greetings they are misrepresenting themselves as Muslims.
    When Azim Premji (an Indian Muslim who is one of the richest people in the world- not just India) was invited on Amir Khan’s show, Amir greeted him with Salaam. Azim Premji replied ‘Namaskaar’. Does that mean Premji is pretending to be a Hindu? No. It simply means that he considers himself an Indian first and does not want to distinguish himself from other Indians in the way he greets people.

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  • Shakeel
    Aug 7, 2012 - 9:26PM

    “”In 2009, Ashraf and two other Ahmadi men who have businesses in the same market, were arrested for ‘posing as Muslims’ and for praying inside a room in the market.”"

    How shameful, The Kuffar in the time of Holy Prophet SAW used to punish Muslims for praying. The Mullahs in Pakistan are following the footsteps of Mushrikeen-e-Makkah. These thaikaidars of Islam do not have any sense. The tragedy is that these ca. 2% of the “ThaikeyDars of Islam” have hijacked the 98% society. It is an even bigger crime not to stop these without-sense creatures.

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  • QASIM
    Aug 7, 2012 - 9:28PM

    Day and night all the time punjab police is busy to do what it shuold not do.shame on shahbaz sharif

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  • resilient
    Aug 7, 2012 - 9:31PM

    Whats wrong in portraying Quranic Verse in Shop. good words can be depicted any place respectfully. if any non-muslim portrays Quranic verse in home or shop, it should be proud for muslims instead of being sentenced for blashphemy.. pretty Ironic ….??

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  • @plarkin
    Aug 7, 2012 - 9:33PM

    If you look at the home page of the FT. You will see this story juxtaposed with a story about Zardari expressing concern about Burmese Muslims. Is the irony of this lost on the [censored] citizens of the [censored] state of Pakistan?

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  • Nuclear
    Aug 7, 2012 - 9:33PM

    @Jihad Bil-Qalam:
    You are right. There is no requirement in the Quran for a person to formally accept Islam in order to practice it. Isn’t it what most Muslims doing day in and day out?

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  • Observer
    Aug 7, 2012 - 9:42PM

    As per Leading human rights activist, former chairperson HRCP and former president Supreme Court Bar Association of Pakistan Asma Jahangir Ahmadis are treated as *

    lepers or Jew

    Wow, this coming from the top human right activist of pakistan is appaling. If its ok to equate Jews with lepers, as per the Leading human rights activist of pakistan, there should be no wrong in putting Ahmadis in the same basket.

    & this woman is Leading human rights activist, i mean Leading human rights activist……..

    God Bless pakistan!!

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  • R.A
    Aug 7, 2012 - 9:42PM

    @Babloo
    Why Ahmadis are not allowed
    to claim whatever they are ?
    Only because mullas are scared of them
    and can not stand up to their argument
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  • Voice of Baluch
    Aug 7, 2012 - 9:43PM

    Islamic Republic of Pakistan

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  • Malik
    Aug 7, 2012 - 9:46PM

    The Holy Quran was revealed for whole of mankind, not just for muslims. What if tomorrow a christian were to display a quotation from Holy Quran, or a muslim a quotation from Bible?. Let us leave certain judgements for Almighty to deliver on the Day Of Judgement. It is not for ordinary folks to deliver these judgements. As for the Ahmedis if they do not believe that Muhammed(Peace Be Upon Him) is the last prophet, than they automatically are not muslims. We cannot kill them or deny rights of citizenship to them. The state must protect all citizens be they Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Bhuddists, Parsis, Ahmedis. or even atheists.

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  • Aftab
    Aug 7, 2012 - 9:47PM

    The progress of west lies in separating religion from state after years of barbarism between catholic and protestants. Its strange that Christians are in majority in west but their beliefs have no role in state. If Pakistan want to progress, it should separate religion from state.

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  • Prabhat Pal
    Aug 7, 2012 - 9:54PM

    I swear to God even before I read the quote of Asma Jahangir I thought that this feels like Nazi-Germany hunting for Jews pretending to be Germans. I really feel sad for Pakistan.

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  • Azi
    Aug 7, 2012 - 9:57PM

    @Truth bites:

    Who are you to judge who believes what? Who appointed you or anyone to spread true Islam by force? Its people like you who spell destruction of Pakistan. Muslims everywhere are hated because of people like you. For God sake have some shame, world is not only made for you.Recommend

  • Sikandar Afridi
    Aug 7, 2012 - 10:06PM

    Ahmadis are not muslims, and whatever is happening to them is absolutely fair.

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  • Paki
    Aug 7, 2012 - 10:07PM

    Well to all the Indian stop interfering in internal affairs of Pakistan go and increase the population stop being a judge & just by electing some said to be Muslim president India cannot be a secular state what the hindu extremists are doing in India with the muslims and christians is enough to portray your liberal thinking & always remember India is still an under developed country but you are acting as if India is already a super power (never to happen I bet)Recommend

  • Its (still) the EconomyStupid
    Aug 7, 2012 - 10:11PM

    Pakistani short sightedness has failed to excite a generation of scientist by disowning Dr. Salam the only Nobel laureate Pakistan had. Ideally in all over the world the name of local Nobel laureate is on schools, library, scholarships and laboratories. Dr. Salam was an Ahmadi and Pakistan is willing to live with a generation of no scientist than live in a false pride of being a Sunni. even his grave stone was destroyed as it said first muslim to win a Nobel prize.

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  • Anees
    Aug 7, 2012 - 10:12PM

    Here, a beautiful portion of the Qur’an is being utilized for hateful motives. How do you suppose almighty Allah will answer this?

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  • Anees
    Aug 7, 2012 - 10:16PM

    if you are a true Muslim then why not pray for Ahamdi’s as our Muhammad (saw) would have done
    - an Ahmadi

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  • Mia Bashir
    Aug 7, 2012 - 10:24PM

    So called amahdis are NOT muslims, Infact they mislead the world and are trying to do the same to muslims,, As you can see from the commets even real muslims are unaware of what they really stand for they will procliam to be followers of islam but they are no more then wolfs in sheeps clothing,, Pls try learn what these people really are befrore jumping to there defense…

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  • M-Tariq
    Aug 7, 2012 - 10:25PM

    @Sikandar Afridi:
    Then whatever happening to Muslim all over the world is fair too- According to your definition because according to you we as a human have right to judge who is Muslim who is not – Who is right who is wrong then if some white guys burn mosque or ban Hijab or do drone attacks on innocent Muslim civilians, then he has a equal right to decide what is right and what is wrong- I am just elaborating your definition

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  • Aug 7, 2012 - 10:27PM

    Muslims tell me there are NO translations of the Koran from Arabic, only interpretations. I’ve seen the different English versions and I believe them in this. So why should a “translation” be a prosecutable crime?
    Will ordinary Pakistanis help this Ahmadi or simply cluck “that’s too bad” and remain indifferent?

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  • Ex-Ahmedi
    Aug 7, 2012 - 10:30PM

    This is embarrassing. Ahmedies should be invited to true Islam by discussion, Argument and good treatment. This behavior of clerics will only make things worse. Imagine same thing had happened to me or my father i would never had accepted main stream Islam.

    If Khatem e nabuwat can act nice in west and focus on argument instead of violence why not do the same in Pakistan.
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  • R.A
    Aug 7, 2012 - 10:33PM

    @ Sikandar Afridi
    " Ahmadis are not Muslims and whatever is
    happening to hem is absolutely fiair"
    WHY THIS IS NOT HAPPENING TO HINDOOS,SIKHS
    AND CHRISTIANS BECAUSE ARE BROTHERS
    ( IN MULLAS ISLAM )
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  • I am Sam
    Aug 7, 2012 - 10:42PM

    Some Pakistani’s are charged for offending the faith of some other Pakistani’s; Do any charges get filed against some Pakistanis for offending the reason of some other Pakistani’s?

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  • Muslim
    Aug 7, 2012 - 10:46PM

    Law is law… If its says they can’t pose as Muslims, then they shouldn’t. What’s so difficult about that?Recommend

  • Truth Seeker
    Aug 7, 2012 - 10:54PM

    All those who are against this action should know that the constitution of Pakistan disallows Ahmedis from calling themselves as muslims and from practicing Islam as religion. So, the FIR is as per law..!!

    But look at the dilemma, a Muslim state has constitutionalized something which is far from humanitarian rights. The law is protecting the unlawful!!

    We all should stand to remove this article from our constitution which targets only Ahmedis.
    We should support the Ahmediah cause, because our conscience know they are right and this prejudice against them is fueled by hate from the religious leaders. If we cannot fight for the righteous in our own country then we don’t have the right to voice for the injustice done in burma, palestine and kashmir.Recommend

  • bashir
    Aug 7, 2012 - 10:54PM

    Pakistan is in crisis one after another ever since they declared ahmadis as non muslims and passed draconian laws against the jamat. It is an eye opener for all of us

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  • Manish
    Aug 7, 2012 - 11:04PM

    I dont see the logic, I can read quran in india and no one bothers about it, while if i try and do the same in Islamic Republic of pakistan i run a risk of being imprisoned?

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  • Abbas
    Aug 7, 2012 - 11:06PM

    Its yet another case of bringing Law into operation and false outcry about Ahmadis about their persecution. Ahmadis are declared non-Muslims by 125 scholars from all the countries of the world and according to laws in Pakistan they can’t impersonate themselves as Muslims which they are not. If police is doing something good then it should be encouraged. Police is unable to apprehend criminals and arresting Ahmaids for pretending to be Muslims, this is a baseless argument. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Its the duty of Pakistani state to prevent its Muslim citizens from the vicious propaganda of Ahmadis.

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  • Acorn Guts
    Aug 7, 2012 - 11:07PM

    @Sikandar Afridi: I don’t know where you are coming from but the Islam we know (and true) Islam does not consider it ‘fair’ to brutally persecute a minority. It is thanks to people like you its so difficult to convert non-muslims to this religion of peace.

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  • Sardar KHAN
    Aug 7, 2012 - 11:10PM

    @Indian:
    You bunderstanis are so ignorant and idiots,that you can’t understand other peoples religion especialy Islam.Islam is a religion of peace and tranquality within self and for others no matter what they believe.Therefore no persicuton of non-muslims at all is allowed.
    But the difference with qadianis is,that they themselves treat as different people than the mainstream muslims.Where it suites them,they use Islam as coverThere way of prayer and way of living are different from muslims.Therefore only objection to themselve calling muslim is valid.Why they don’t revart to call themselves as mirzai’s (mirza ghulam ahmed) fallowers and his servants?Or is it too shamefull for them to use this prefix with their name.I wonder,why they use Islam and Quran to bolster and deceive non-mirzais in the world.They were given full apportunity by the parlimant and the government of the time to defend their stance.But they failed and their leaders ran out of the country and left these people behind to make troubles.The law of the must be obeyed by all citizen and must not hurt other peoples by using false claims i.e.they are muslims,which in reality they are not.They are only marzais and that is the reality.
    And people like you always jumpin to make touble.What shame for you bunderstanis can’t solve your own religous problems in your own country but will through a spanner in Pakistani affairs.

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  • Umer
    Aug 7, 2012 - 11:18PM

    @Muslim:

    Law is law… If its says they can’t pose as Muslims, then they shouldn’t. What’s so difficult about that?

    The difficulty is that it is an inhumane and cruel law and against human rights so you should be condemning this bad law. Where is your condemnation?

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  • Zain
    Aug 7, 2012 - 11:30PM

    This just gets funnier and funnier!

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  • Ghulam Mustafa
    Aug 7, 2012 - 11:40PM

    The action by police is commendable.

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  • Jinntastic
    Aug 7, 2012 - 11:41PM

    I’m proud of the Sherlock Holmes within Pakistani Police who cracked this ghastly crime in such notice. And that too two times! No one should underestimate the negative impact of such criminal impersonation on GDP, National Productivity, Growth Rate, Unemployment Rate, Literacy, Unchecked Population Growth, Polio etc. etc. Congratulations to Pakistani Police, You guys craked it!

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  • Burhan
    Aug 7, 2012 - 11:47PM

    @Ahmad:
    Kindly define FAITH…IF, AND ONLY IF, you can. Dare I say, you are nothing but another “holier than thou” bigot.

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  • Mediator
    Aug 7, 2012 - 11:58PM

    Hmmm…very grim situation….Why don’t ahmadis convert to Christian or Hindu or Buddhist or Jew ? They can float their own religion other than Islam ? They can bring great teachings from other religion and make their branded new religion…..

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  • AhmadiEducation
    Aug 8, 2012 - 12:03AM

    @Shayan: “The fact remains that Ahmedis pretending to be muslims is against the law. The DPO is right and what he means is that had there been no law we would have more hate crimes against the Ahmeddis by the extremists.”

    How does putting a text imply he is pretending to be a Muslim? I am a Hindu. If I put up the 10 commandments on my desk, does that mean I am pretending to be a Christian? No. IT means I am showing respect for another faith.

    If Amir Khan runs a show called Satyamev Jayate (Truth alone prevails) which is something in our Hindu scriptures, does that mean he is pretending to be a Hindu? No it means that he supports the truth – nothing more and nothing less.

    gp

    You can put up the ten commandments but you do not claim to be a follower of Christ and do not purvey your own beliefs and faith as Christianity.

    Amir Khan can use Satyamev Jayte but he doe snot claim to be a Hindu and does not purvey his own religion as Hinduism.

    Neither does Premji.

    Ahmadis are unique in that they seek to destroy Islam from within by blatantly claiming to be Muslim when they have no relationship to the religion.

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  • rana mohammad afzal
    Aug 8, 2012 - 12:07AM

    we shoud prayer of thies kind of poples God give aazab. Aameen

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  • Raja Islam
    Aug 8, 2012 - 12:29AM

    @Sikandar Afridi:
    Whether Ahmadis are Muslims or not is not the question here. The question is what’s wrong with someone putting up a translation of a verse from the Holy Quran, whether Muslim or not?

    By the way what have Ahmadis done to you that you are justifying persecution?

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  • Vikram
    Aug 8, 2012 - 12:37AM

    How come Pakistanis never mess with followers of Nation of Islam?

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  • Babloo
    Aug 8, 2012 - 12:47AM

    Who is prosecuting and repressing Ahmedis in Pakistan ?

    The people of Pakistan.

    Because, if the people of Pakistan were not responsible for it, they would repeal the law that enables the police and judiciary to charge, prosecute and punish Ahmedis.

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  • solitudegod
    Aug 8, 2012 - 12:59AM

    Dear All
    Why criticize someone for following the law? The article states that the guy was sentenced for the same thing in 2009 and he should show some restrain in doing it again. With all sensitivity to Ahmadis religious beliefs, i think he should have hung the ayat or its translation at his home or his bedroom or where ever he prays. If something is against the constitution we shouldnt do it.And the point about keeping things low key by the prophet and his companions in the early days of islam applies more to the ahmadis here. You know you are being persecuted why fuel the fire and specially when u believe in koran and islamic tradition.
    We can debate the law. Yes there might be defficiencies in it and it needs improvement but we have a system for that. The ahmadis have strong links in the pakistani establishment. They have a strong media presence, there are channels that actively preach their faith and all. They have strong links with NGOs and international agencies. The onus is on them to bring about a democratic change. Minorities face difficulties in democratic countries, muslims in india, mormons in US etc. But there are proper waays to channel their agenda onto the mainstream. and an arrest can not be equated to a massacre so please stop comparing this non news to the situation in burma.

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  • SSM
    Aug 8, 2012 - 1:34AM

    What shameful act….don’t know when Pakistan will get ride of Molvie’s curse…..

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  • I.H.Bokharee
    Aug 8, 2012 - 1:35AM

    I am truly ashamed of my country which has been taken over by the Wahabi’s sect thanks to the Saudi money. This is the type of news that was good 300 years ago but today, my god, it has become shameful…..I think the American got the worng country in the war with terror, it should have been the Saudi Arabia rather than Afghan and Iraq…..the true axis of evil, Kingdom of Saudi……

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  • Umar
    Aug 8, 2012 - 2:19AM

    disgusting, how can this be right. I a Muslim Alhamdulilah and not an Ahmadi; however I can not see any justification for this. If indeed it is the law, the law is repugnant to the teaching of Islam.

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  • Umer
    Aug 8, 2012 - 2:36AM

    @Observer:

    lepers or Jew

    I think she is referring to common mentality of considering lepers equivalent to Jews, not her personal views.

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  • Yasa Ali Changezi
    Aug 8, 2012 - 2:50AM

    “In the last six decades, we have witnessed the gradual conversion of Pakistan from a secular state (Jinnah’s speech on August 11, 1947…’you are free to go your mosques, to go to your temples…’), to an Islamic state (Objectives Resolution in 1949) to a Sunni State (General Zia-ul-Haq’s promulgation of Sunni Islam) to a Deobandi-Wahhabi State through the Pakistan Army’s willing participation into anti-Soviet Union Jihad in Afghanistan, which was financed, unfortunately, by U.S. during its myopic Cold-War mentality, and by Saudi petro-dollars and indoctrinated by a Jihadi Wahhabi-Deobandi ideology,” Rusty Walker, an American political commentator rightly observed. Now, Shias should be prepared to face the Islamic hurricane in years ahead like Ahmedis are facing. My question to all can Pakistan become a nation state??? Please, do answer…

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  • Sara
    Aug 8, 2012 - 3:05AM

    Sad…let them live. Peace. Else this country’s future will go down the drain!

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  • Ali
    Aug 8, 2012 - 3:07AM

    A non Muslim can quote Quran, but not Ahmedis! Sad. This is crap. Live and let live.

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  • Fundyar
    Aug 8, 2012 - 3:16AM

    I don’t blame him for claiming to be a Muslim
    He will be killed otherwise
    I’m an ahmedi!!!! ( technically not but innthis case I am)

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  • T Khan
    Aug 8, 2012 - 4:39AM

    Micheal Clarke the Aussie cricketer… in some moment of insanity ( according to Pakistani Law) got tattooed on his arm a verse as well….he was asked about it by the press and he said he liked the meaning.
    Thank God Pakistan is in the state which it is in, for if Australia had come over to play there, they would have lost their captain to Paki mullah :P

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  • Moosa Khan
    Aug 8, 2012 - 7:09AM

    Mullahs against posting of Quran writings and translations with the help of Section 298-C of 1984 Ordinance of Gen. Zia. Someone please make me understand this.

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  • Shehzad
    Aug 8, 2012 - 8:47AM

    This nation of religious morons never fails to disappoint me or humanity in general. The failed state is surely going down the drain,and will cease to exist. I should say The earliest, the better.

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  • aysha
    Aug 8, 2012 - 8:58AM

    @Shayan:
    Anybody who claims to be a muslim should be considered a muslim. No constitution of any country in the world has taken upon itself to identify faith of its citizens. It is an individual’s concern and nobody else

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  • A Pakistani
    Aug 8, 2012 - 10:07AM

    @Shayan:

    Actually – there was no persecution of these poor people before these laws.
    They lived peacefully with their neighbors

    These laws only emboldened extremists – today we are in the sorry position where moderates cower in fear while the extremists swagger all over.
    .

    I once read “The measure of a civilization is how it treats its weakest members.”
    As a nation we are on the path to barbarianism.

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  • Observer
    Aug 8, 2012 - 10:44AM

    The biggest problem with Islam and Muslims is that they worry more about what others do or don’t do with respect to their religion rather than focusing on self purification and self spiritual enlightenment. The blasphemy, apostasy etc. primitive laws are tools used to control the thoughts and behavior of the followers.

    What if this guy had verses from the Quran pasted on his walls? Is god so petty to offended by this act? Does the almighty god need protection from mortals?

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  • salman
    Aug 8, 2012 - 10:59AM

    Ahmadis are not muslims as per Pakistan law !!!

    lets not start the debate again

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  • Observer
    Aug 8, 2012 - 11:13AM

    @aysha:

    “. No constitution of any country in the world has taken upon itself to identify faith of its citizens.”

    Apparently you are not familiar with the fact that Pakistan indeed has laws that declare Ahmedis to be non-Muslims.

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  • hopeful
    Aug 8, 2012 - 12:12PM

    President Zardari wrote a letter to Burma. Hope he knows whats going on under his nose

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  • Bilal
    Aug 8, 2012 - 1:00PM

    Almost 95% comments condemning this action, but i am failed to understand who is supporting this act

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  • M M Malik
    Aug 8, 2012 - 1:27PM

    The SHO said the security constables verified that, “Ashraf was spreading his faith and pretends to be a Muslim.”

    This is a self contradictory statement, if Ashraf was pretending to be a Muslim he must have been spreading Islam. The whole affair is absurd.

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  • K.Riaz
    Aug 8, 2012 - 1:55PM

    I tell all my Ahmedi friends they are lucky to have facial features like everybody else,unlike the Hazaras of Balochistan,otherwise they would have been singled out a long time ago.My question to the efficient Punjab Police:How did you verify Ashraf’s religion?

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  • gp65
    Aug 8, 2012 - 2:07PM

    @salman: “Ahmadis are not muslims as per Pakistan law !!!
    lets not start the debate again”

    Well clearly this is a bad law since God has not given the right to humans to decide the faith of other humans. But as you say , let us not debate his law and accept that it exists. Does that mean this man violaed the law? No. Father of atom bomb Oppenheimer quoted from Hindu scriptures . Does that mean he was pretending to be Hindu? No. Similarly Australian captain had a Quranic verse tatooed on his arm. Does that mean he is pretending to be a Muslim? No. So why does having this verse in his shop amount to his misrepresenting himself as a Muslim? You may not consider them Muslims but they do believe in Quran, so why should they be prevented from quoting from their own holy book?

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  • SALEEM TAHIR
    Aug 8, 2012 - 5:39PM

    Ahmadis are labelled Kafirs by Pakistanis.Real Muslims never treated Kafirs of Mecca like this.Kuffar of Mecca treated muslims like this,so who is the Kafir?

    As Bully Shah said

    Tenoon Kafir,Kafir Kehndey,Bulleya toon aho aho keh

    ( Those who are Kafirs themselves,call you a Kafir
    Bulley Shah you say I am.)

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  • Sabih
    Aug 8, 2012 - 5:41PM

    @afzaalkhan:
    What law???

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  • Yuri Kondratyuk
    Aug 8, 2012 - 5:47PM

    @AhmadiEducation:

    But Allah has warned us about those
    who say they have accepted Islam and
    worship the same God as Muslims, but
    hide their sin of following other
    religions. Allah dislikes such people
    the most.

    God likes this and doesn’t like that…..it’s as if you have a direct hotline to god!!

    @Solomon2:

    So why should a “translation” be a
    prosecutable crime?

    Koran is never translated literally and there is a very good reason for that. Try Google auto translate with a dozen random verses and you will understand.

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  • Yuri Kondratyuk
    Aug 8, 2012 - 6:55PM

    @Bilal:

    Almost 95% comments condemning this
    action, but i am failed to understand
    who is supporting this act

    You must consider the fact that a good number of non-Pakistanis make the 95%. Take non-Pakistanis off and you might not be surprised.

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  • Yuri Kondratyuk
    Aug 8, 2012 - 7:54PM

    @gp65:

    Father of atom bomb Oppenheimer
    quoted from Hindu scriptures . Does
    that mean he was pretending to be
    Hindu?

    In fact he was fluent in Sanskrit and well versed in Bhagawadgeetha. He even credited the holy text for changing his approach to physics.
    Even Einstein commented- “When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous

    And I am sure, neither of them was a Hindu!

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  • Qaid-i-Azam Who?
    Aug 8, 2012 - 8:33PM

    Consipracy to divert Pakistan’s performance in London Olympics.

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  • Confused in NJ
    Aug 8, 2012 - 9:26PM

    So what about the Millions who pretend to be Muslims? should the Thekedars of Islam start picking them up also.My beloved country truly needs a better hobby to keep themselves busy.

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  • chang
    Aug 8, 2012 - 11:16PM

    Pakistan at its very finest i.e lowest…

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  • asim mehmood
    Aug 9, 2012 - 12:31AM

    i write punjabi ( DURR FITEY MOO)

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  • aysha
    Aug 9, 2012 - 3:57AM

    @Observer:
    no constitution besides Pakistan’s indulged in this kind of legislation

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  • Fareed Ashraf Chaudhry
    Aug 9, 2012 - 8:49AM

    I think this debate and critique is more about the law itself than the event mentioned. Should Muslim scholars sit down together at a suitable forum in order to reach consensus on the way forward?

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  • Observer
    Aug 9, 2012 - 9:27AM

    @AhmadiEducation:

    “Dear Mehboob, you are right that islam is the only religion which is for the whole world”

    That is a very conceited, dogmatic and obscurantist world-view. Where is your proof?

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  • Farid Ataullah
    Aug 9, 2012 - 10:48AM

    I can only quote the speech of Quaid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah delivered to the constituent Assembly of Pakistan 11 August 1947 and I quote

    ::::You are free to go to your Temples,you are free to go to your Mosques or to any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State.We should keep this ideal in mind and you will find that in the course of time Hindus would cease to Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims not in the religious sense because that is personal faith of each individual but in the political sense as cittizens of the state,

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  • Farid Ataullah
    Aug 9, 2012 - 11:53AM

    I quote from Quaid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah’s address to the consituent assembly of Pakistan delivewred on 11 August 1947 and I quote

    ‘ You are free to go to your Temples, you are free to go to your Mosques or any other place of worship in yhis state of Pakistan. You may belong to any to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the state. We should keep this ideal in mind and you will find that in thecourse of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims not in the religious sense because that is the personal faith of each individual but in the political sense as citizens of the state. This is to lament the fact that we as a nation have forgotten the ideals put forward by the founder of Pakistan

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  • Mr Sanity
    Aug 9, 2012 - 12:04PM

    Even from the perspective of an atheist, the verse he put up should really be held true by all of humanity, regardless of race, gender, religion etc. To persecute someone for upholding one of the highest moral ideals just because it happens to be written in a specific religious book is vile in the extreme.Recommend

  • GN
    Aug 9, 2012 - 8:26PM

    “Ashraf was spreading his faith and pretends to be a Muslim.”
    Legally in any legal system that is known to me, and linguistically, which is my professional field, that is a contradiction in terms.
    If the faith of Ashraf is not the Islam, then he can spread his faith, and as that is illegal in your country (?) can be put in jail for it. But, he cannot spread his faith and pretend to be a Muslem, he would be spreading the Islam. I hope spreading the Islam is not illegal in Pakistan?
    Please try to use wisdom first!

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  • shehran
    Aug 10, 2012 - 1:39AM

    Instead of maligning the law one should think why was he posing as a Muslim.Its like making people fool about ones identity.Its good to see a prompt action is taken against such transgressors.

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  • Ihsan Vohra
    Aug 11, 2012 - 8:38AM

    @ Sikander Afridi : and what is happening with Muslims in Kashmir or Burma is also right????????

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  • athar mahmood
    Aug 12, 2012 - 1:28PM

    not embarrassing……yar its pakistan

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  • imran
    Aug 12, 2012 - 7:49PM

    @Mia Bashir: Mian Bashir Sahib, You are absolutely ignorant of ahmadyya teachings. I know they recite the same Holy Quran, offer same namaz. They believe in the absolute finality of Hazrat Mohammad PBUH. I know a number of my friends. They are God fearing people. The difference is the interpretation of Quranic translation but not the actual arabic wording

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  • ZAHEER
    Aug 16, 2012 - 4:56PM

    Congratulation Muhammad Ashraf, God bless you. Pakistani muslims must think about this decision.

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  • Malik
    Aug 17, 2012 - 4:07AM

    @afzaalkhan:
    AfzaalKhan sahib, your arrogance is only surpassed by your ignorance (“Stop breaking the law and you won’t be arrested.”). Pakistan calls itself a democratic state. The definition of democracy is “to implement the will of the majority tempered by the desire to protect the rights of the minorities.” Would you say the same to Nelson Mandela for standing up for his rights as a black man in South Africa? Would you say the same to Martin Luther King for standing up for his rights in America? How dare you say these words when you believe in the religion of Islam; the religion that stands above and beyond all other religions in giving rights to the masses.

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  • Omar
    Aug 24, 2012 - 4:29AM

    Ahmedis shall remain Ahmedis and not to create mess by calling themselves as Muslims !

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  • Zulfiqar Ahmad
    Aug 29, 2012 - 12:50PM

    I hope you guyz are Ok , before you come to conclude anything read this ..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza_Ghulam_Ahmad

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  • babur
    Aug 30, 2012 - 9:06PM

    @aysha:
    Thank you Aysha you have bright mind may Allah bless you and your faimly.Pakistan need people like you.

    thanks
    babur

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