India has given ‘solid evidence’ against Hafiz Saeed to Pakistan: Report

Published: April 9, 2012

Sources in Indian government say statements of Kasab and Headley pointing towards Hafiz Saeed also given to Pakistan. PHOTO: AFP/ FILE

India, responding to Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani’s statement on Hafiz Saeed, said that ‘solid evidence’ on the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) founder and alleged 26/11 mastermind has already been given to Pakistan, CNN-IBN reported on Monday.

Sources in the Indian government said that the evidence includes the statement of Ajmal Kasab – the lone surviving gunman in the Mumbai attacks – saying that “Saeed was present during the selection and training of terrorists behind the 26/11 attack.”

They also pointed out that the statements of David Coleman Headley, another person involved in the 2008 Mumbai attacks, on Saeed have also been sent to Pakistan.

The sources stressed on Pakistan to work on the provided evidence.

Gilani, talking to the media on Sunday, had said that Pakistan and India will share intelligence and evidence against Saeed on April 16.

“We are in the middle of talks with India and on April 16 both countries’ interior secretaries will share their evidence against Saeed. And on the basis of these evidences, which would be sufficient for the courts, further action against Saeed will be taken,” Gilani said.

Reader Comments (122)

  • Much Amused
    Apr 9, 2012 - 3:40PM

    Statements made under duress may not be factual. Pakistani authorities have a hot potato on their hands. Damned if they do and damned if they dont. Enjoy !!!

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  • malatesh
    Apr 9, 2012 - 3:55PM

    @Hafis Saed, you are gone now.

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  • Mir
    Apr 9, 2012 - 3:55PM

    Hand it to the US. Last I heard they were buying “Solid Evidence”.

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  • raw is war
    Apr 9, 2012 - 3:55PM

    but for pakistan, logic is foreign…

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  • Roflcopter
    Apr 9, 2012 - 4:02PM

    Indians just can’t quit lying can they?

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  • Freedom Seeker
    Apr 9, 2012 - 4:38PM

    Pakistan will be better off this person. Better to put him on fair and clean trial and hang in public. We don’t need such strategic asset.

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  • Let's See
    Apr 9, 2012 - 4:39PM

    Wonder whats gona happen now? Does the government have enough guts to arrest this proclaimed terrorist ?

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  • Blithe
    Apr 9, 2012 - 4:39PM

    India is trying to arm twist opinions into facts.
    It’s not going to work.

    My advice to India is to focus on resolving Kashmir.
    Focus on core issues.

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  • Its (still) Econonmy Stupid
    Apr 9, 2012 - 4:48PM

    Hafeez Saeed a non state actor knows too many state secrets and if this bird starts singing it will a bad season for officials. If you live by the sword you die by the sword. For ten million dollars there is a long line of officials out side the US embassy to spill the beans.Pakistani society need to do spring cleaning and get rid of junk to increase its value.

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  • Asad
    Apr 9, 2012 - 4:48PM

    If the evidence is so solid why is USA still offering 10 mil for more evidence?

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  • unbeliever
    Apr 9, 2012 - 5:03PM

    @Blithe:

    kashmir is not an issue for us. the issue for us is terrorism in kashmir.

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  • Kaleem
    Apr 9, 2012 - 5:07PM

    WTH! Indian govt and those words from Ajmal kasab are not Bible words. Indo pak police have guts to make elephants confess that they are dogs.

    Why don’t they take this matter to International court? Recommend

  • Jan
    Apr 9, 2012 - 5:13PM

    @raw is war:
    Please share this “solid evidence” with USA. They have put of bounty of US 10 million… India can earn the bounty…. BUT then the question is why is US asking for solid evidence….Recommend

  • kaalchakra
    Apr 9, 2012 - 5:18PM

    Enough of bullying and lying by Indians. Pakistan has given much more solid evidence that Saeed Hafeez is a respected charitable man. If Indians want friendship, Indians should focus on solving their problems instead of troubling Pakistan.

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  • Imran Mohammad
    Apr 9, 2012 - 5:21PM

    Hand over any Indian to Pakistan Police ( preferably Punjab). I can bet in few hours that person will admit his name is George W. Bush and he was president of USA from 2000-2008 !!!

    Really, the solid evidence is confessional statement by a fishy character !! Come on Indians, you know any court will throw that out quicker than it takes to take a sip from a glass of water.

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  • Salman
    Apr 9, 2012 - 5:22PM

    lol @ david headley statements as solid evidence :d

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  • Truth Hurts
    Apr 9, 2012 - 5:36PM

    @Let’s See:
    Do you know how much social work his group is doing in Pakistan? While you are sitting at home and posting comments against him, they are helping poor and victims of natural disasters, providing them food, shelter etc!!

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  • imkarachi
    Apr 9, 2012 - 5:37PM

    LOL for all indians here ;)

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  • Aadi Virgo
    Apr 9, 2012 - 5:40PM

    Oh alright… why don’t India handover the man to USA or Pak who was behind “Samjhota Express” blasts.
    If india wants to live with peace so better stop playing games and come to right point Kashmir

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  • wonderer
    Apr 9, 2012 - 5:40PM

    @Roflcopter:

    “Indians just can’t quit lying can they?”

    You must be knowing the truth. What is it?

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  • Babloo
    Apr 9, 2012 - 5:44PM

    Whats the solid evidense against Osama or Hitler ? Were they caught on video camera personally killing people ? No. They were leader of the group that killed people. Similarly, Mr Hafeez Saeed was the leader of LeT which carried out the attacks. Thats more than enough to convict him , unless the state wants to protect him. David Headley, Kasav are just eye witnesss to the fact that Hafeez Saeed was aware of the plot. If that is not solid evidense, nothing else will be.

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  • Pragmatist
    Apr 9, 2012 - 5:52PM

    @Roflcopter: I think it is time to consider things with a conscience. The whole world including the UN has labelled Hafiz as a terrorist and you still insist that India is lying. Come on man, the man is responsible for the death of hundreds of women and children. True Muslims are supposed to be peace loving.

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  • Roflcopter
    Apr 9, 2012 - 5:54PM

    @wonderer, that there is no solid evidence hency why US is willing to pay $10m for the evidence. Not so hard to figure out the truth is it?

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  • Apr 9, 2012 - 5:58PM

    Then why not letting us to approach kasab ? India stop lying,

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  • Hyderabai
    Apr 9, 2012 - 6:00PM

    @kaalchakra:
    Yes, a charitable man encouraging jihad against the US. Yes, very charitable…

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  • Talha
    Apr 9, 2012 - 6:03PM

    What a joke of a news piece ET. Can your bias (actually agenda) be any clearer?

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  • Apr 9, 2012 - 6:05PM

    Kasab is the only evidence which they dont wanna share with us, because they don’t wanna get the real story revealed

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  • krz
    Apr 9, 2012 - 6:10PM

    krz:
    On what basis you say that …?
    it seems you know noting about this great man !

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  • kaalchakra
    Apr 9, 2012 - 6:14PM

    Hyderabad

    Mumbai attacks were carried out by RAW agents to squeeze a weakening Pakistani economy. Have you ever stopped to think how over so many days just a few people were killed? It was all arranged drama. How can you guy believe any of this was done by people sitting in Pakistan? LET has always been a peaceful organization meeting Islamic obligation of charity. No one has any evidence against it.

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  • Hindustan Ki Shakti
    Apr 9, 2012 - 6:17PM

    @Roflcopter:
    destroy extremists in pakistan , they will cause destruction wherever they are.

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  • phudu mehkma taja hawaldar
    Apr 9, 2012 - 6:19PM

    Can mere statements of criminals with dubious and unsettled identity regarded as cogent proofs?

    First the indians should present their mysterious Kasab in the public to give a detailed interview in his native language.

    Is it not morbid that a young man locked in a cell express no yearning for his parents and homeland?

    On the other hand there is a case of this 80 years old Mr. Chisti who has been pardoned from the indian SC with the enormous endeavours of his daughter and family.

    Where is the family of this Indian Terrorist?

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  • malik
    Apr 9, 2012 - 6:31PM

    1.) Voice samples: sorry, the voice belong to Raju Shrivastava. You want us to take action on that ?

    2.) Testimony of Kasab and Headley : Cmon, you believe those guys whose confessions were taken under death threats? Everyone knows Kasab is a Hindu from the language he speaks ! Reg, Headley, how can you believe him ? Is there any witness who can confirm the link between Headley and Hafiz saab ? Did he actually say that ?

    3.) Is there any evidence, where Hafiz saab actually killing people ? Like he is shooting someone or throwing bombs ? Sorry, don’t show us video footages, they are not admissible in courts.

    4.) Till you actually catch him in the act, whatever evidence you give, will not be accepted by our courts.
    5.) Remember, our courts are free and in fact, they are more free than the courts in US.Recommend

  • Cautious
    Apr 9, 2012 - 6:38PM

    Terrorist is captured during a massacre — he implicates the people who were involved in the plot – and Pakistan says it’s not relevant. And you wonder why you have a terrible reputation?

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  • Freeman
    Apr 9, 2012 - 6:41PM

    @Babloo: I have only one question if India have concrete evidence to use in court of law against Hafiz saeed then why America want to pay $1 Million to gether evidence which can be used in court of law to prosecute Hafiz Saeed???????

    This is clearly showing that there is no evidence which is credible to use in court of law.

    Stop sending to Pakistan myths/stories about Hafiz Saeed.

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  • Mard-e-Haq
    Apr 9, 2012 - 6:47PM

    In today’s ET, there was a report that 50% of Pakistanis suffer from malnutrition. But there is no jihad against hunger – a worthy jihad. An ijtehad!
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  • antony
    Apr 9, 2012 - 6:51PM

    Looking at the comments from some pakistanis who are refusing to reason even when one LeT man (Ajmal) was captured live and pointing to LeT whose founder every pakistani knows it is Saeed still refuse to look at the criminality makes me wonder how heartless pakistanis have become ! . What an Indian should feel then about tragedies happening in pakistan ?!

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  • joni
    Apr 9, 2012 - 6:53PM

    @Freedom Seeker:
    hi freedom seeke ,how r u
    i read ur comments on Hafiz saeed no u r freedom seeker but accuatelly ur seeking Gulami.
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  • kaalchakra
    Apr 9, 2012 - 6:54PM

    Mard-e-Haq

    Can you please show us where in the Holy Quran Allah tells us that the Jihad of the Sword is not worthy or less worthy? Without power, in slavery, will there be enough to eat?

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  • Roflcopter
    Apr 9, 2012 - 7:05PM

    @Pragmatist, since the whole world believes Hafiz Saeed is a terrorist that means they must have some concrete evidences. Please do provide this abundant evidence to Pakistan so we can convict Hafiz Saeed.

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  • India Peaks
    Apr 9, 2012 - 7:06PM

    To people defending and convicting HS. Guys! at the end of the day, it is upto Pakistan, its agencies and its people to decide. Any mature civilized society will take hard decisions, in the longer term interest of itself and the world in general. This applies to all (esp India & pak). We can choose to remain a bickering lot or move forward. The power is in our hands and to quote from :Spiderman – “with great power comes great responsibility”. Remember the decisions we take today will shape the world our children will live in.

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  • Umair
    Apr 9, 2012 - 7:11PM

    @Hindustan Ki Shakti:
    Who is providing arms to these extremists? Have you ever tried to think on this point? Majority in Pakistan lives below poverty line. They don’t have enough money to buy food for themselves but according to India; Pakistani ppl can afford arsenals. After 2 decades of bad governess; we are not even able to afford basic necessities but Indians think that Pakistanis have enough money to sponsor different groups to shock India. This is hilarious. Either these extremists are coming from India or supported by India to unstable & isolate Pakistan. There is no solid proof for drama created by RAW that is why this case has been pending since long & it’ll remain pending as India has to blame Pakistan somehow.

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  • Lawangin
    Apr 9, 2012 - 7:12PM

    I dont know Why some of the comentators are so oblivous. A killing spree has been witnessed by the whole word by three days. around 200 innocment people have died. One of the killers has been arrested alive, who has confessed in the court of law that LeT was the sponsor of this drama. Another culpirits (david) confessed to the US authories about the Let head by this notorious killers band. What else you need to know. Some says this was RAW drama to do this or that. The same also said about 9/11 that this was staged by CIA. Come guyes, if you have stone hearts then it is OK but if you have humand hearts and mind, dont hurt the hurt any more. Recommend

  • Adeel
    Apr 9, 2012 - 7:19PM

    Who is the source? Indian Govt..

    Indian governement is unable to handover solid proof.

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  • Umair
    Apr 9, 2012 - 7:21PM

    @India Peaks:
    I agree with you. Worst thing is we have been suffering to bad leadership since a decade now. You guys never had a president like zardari & prime minister like gilani. Due to which your observations are completely different. Current situation describes that Pakistan is facing biggest threat from our very own president & prime minister; not India.

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  • Zeta
    Apr 9, 2012 - 7:44PM

    all indians have is so called confession of kasab which hold no ground in court of law.
    can these insecure indians ever share what these “solid” evidences are?. You don’t even let our Judicial Commision cross investigate Kasab which you are definitely hiding something.

    Its surprsing that these indians believe their government speaks lie on all other issues but when it comes to Pakistan, they somehow becomes saint.

    I’m not saying indian government has done the attacks, it could be your own saffron terrorists roaming around mumbai. They killed Hemant Karkare because he was investigating the role of these same people.

    If you bit of mind if you got, tell me what do we have to gain from murdering bunch of civilians?

    LeT is said it multiple times that their fight is with the indian government and its occupation of Kashmir, and not with general indian pop.

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  • Tony C.
    Apr 9, 2012 - 7:45PM

    I do not suppose that India tortured Ajmal Kasab until he told them what they wanted to hear did they?

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  • Let's See
    Apr 9, 2012 - 7:48PM

    @Truth Hurts
    So does it give him the permission to go and kill innocents in other countries . Y doesnt America Or India have any problem with Eidhi , he does the same work as he does isnt it but in case of Mr Hafeez his extra curricular activities are threat to our own country in a certain way.
    Besides if he was soooooo incocent then why are they preaching hate . Tell them to teach love and tolerance of each other instead of taking innocent people and corrupt their mind’s with their stupid ideoligies and send them on jihad .

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  • Democrat
    Apr 9, 2012 - 7:56PM

    @Lawangin…

    a killing spree was witnessed in karachi… the police arrested a tourist and after 2 days the man confessed that obama and sonia gandhi were behind this thing…so can any court aceept this as evidence? come on…dont be naive… USA is not giving 10 millions for free..they know there is no evidence after searching for so long… india is in hot water..they lied to the world and now they are caught… i ask you… there were 10 attackers…but we only have footage of 1 and you think it is coincidence that the only one to survive is the one whose footage we have? ask any statistics expert and he/she will tell you the odds of this… and after 4 years india cannot provide the world the investigation into their anti-terror chief hemant kurkure… why he was killed by the indian elite squad? had he discovered something during the mumbai attacks? did he know something which pointed to something other then LeT? unless india do not answer these questions, no court will accept their version… i have a made in india (dettol) shaving cream..so does that make me a RAW agent? i have a made in USA laptop..so does that make me a CIA agent? but by indian logic, the attackers had a made in pakistan shaving cream… come on…can you grow up please?

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  • Cautious
    Apr 9, 2012 - 7:59PM

    @Tony C.

    I do not suppose that India tortured
    Ajmal Kasab until he told them what
    they wanted to hear did they?

    Put Saeed on trial and let a jury determine how credible the witness is – that’s what the rest of the World does.

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  • Pragmatist
    Apr 9, 2012 - 8:02PM

    @Roflcopter: We all know the history of Pakistan’s denials. OBL was never supposed to be in Pakistan. Neither were Dawood Ibrahim, or Khalid Sheikh… the list goes on. When the evidence is shown, it will be labelled as a ‘frame up’. Why would anybody waste time on a preacher – if indeed, Hafiz was one. Hopefully, you won’t have long to wait before your ‘hero’ is shown up for what he is.

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  • R.A
    Apr 9, 2012 - 8:10PM

    MAIN NAA MAANOO GA
    I will keep saying crow is white
    untill I accept otherwise
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  • Blithe
    Apr 9, 2012 - 8:18PM

    @unbeliever:
    If you don’t believe Kashmir to be an issue ,
    kindly agree to a plebiscite as per U. N. Resolutions.

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  • wonderer
    Apr 9, 2012 - 8:33PM

    @Blithe:

    You write, “agree to a plebiscite as per U. N. Resolutions.”

    About Plebiscite, you should read UN Security Council Resolution No.47. India-Pakistan Question, 21 Apr.1948 – Go to this link:

    http://www.kashmiri-cc.ca/un/

    Then open Resolution No. 47 and read A – RESTORATION OF PEACE AND ORDER Para 1. (a), and (b) carefully. This will show you that Pakistan refused to comply with its responsibility as per the resolution, and thus no further action could be taken to make Plebiscite possible. If you still want a plebiscite, get out of J&K first. Is Pakistan willing to fulfill its promise?

    Please do reply.

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  • India Peaks
    Apr 9, 2012 - 8:37PM

    @ Umair – India too has its share of politicians who will take advantage of emotions of people (religion and ethnicity). These guys are lucky to be in the subcontinent where they will find foolish gulible people who do not question the development agenda of these leaders and instead are lead by these emotional issues. Something wrong in our genes perhaps :-)

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  • kaalchakra
    Apr 9, 2012 - 8:45PM

    India Peaks

    So glad to see a reasonable person from India. The most bigoted statement made by Indians is that India is any different from Pakistan. No, it is not. Thank you for confirming that.

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  • 1984
    Apr 9, 2012 - 8:59PM

    All Hafiz Saeed’s supporters

    Your denial reminds me of an incident in my childhood…
    We used to play cricket in our street..We had just 3 sticks for stumps with no bails…
    Once while playing,one guy bowled the batsman…What then followed spoiled our day..
    He started shouting that he was not bowled..We showed that the stump moved due to impact of ball..He denied that the stump was like this before the ball was bowled…
    He started accusing everyone of cheating..and when his teammates supported us..He then accused them of showing favoritism and jealousy…
    He then started crying and sat on the pitch refusing others to continue playing…
    We waited for sometime and then we left..But from next day,we never allowed him to play with us till after 3 days he came back apologizing…

    Same situation applied to Pakistan…if u keep denying the basic truth and dismiss every evidence..One day,world would alienate you…

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  • Blithe
    Apr 9, 2012 - 9:01PM

    @wonderer:
    Of course, Pakistan is ready for plebiscite.
    It’s Pakistan’s principled and stated position.
    It is India’s intransigence which has lead to a delay
    in plebiscite.

    To start with India must recall it’s 700k army stationed in
    Kashmir. Kashmir is NOT an integral part of India; Kashmir
    is an internationally disputed area. India cannot be allowed to continue its illegal abd immoral defiance of UN Resolutions.

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  • India Peaks
    Apr 9, 2012 - 9:08PM

    @kaalchakra – While what you say is right, the question to ask then, is this – how do we change things around? What is the basic/fundamental thing we need to change? More importantly who would be the courageous few to start it? Rest assured the fundamentalists and radicals amongst would oppose them tooth & nail. It is not easy – it is only when you contemplate the size of this challenge that you truly appreciate the herculean achievement of the West. It is easy to ridicule not so easy to do.

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  • Blithe
    Apr 9, 2012 - 9:12PM

    @1984:
    What a childish anology you have given about cricket.
    Stop the state sponsored terrorism in Kashmir (whatever 700k
    Indian troops are doing in Kashmir is not cricket).

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  • wonderer
    Apr 9, 2012 - 9:20PM

    @Blithe:

    You have not read the resolution. Read it first.

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  • Babloo
    Apr 9, 2012 - 9:21PM

    It took international pressure for Pakistan to stop denying the video evidense of Kasab shooting people. The foreign minister then, who after much debnial, accepted that Kasab was a Pak national, was forced to resign,. The various excuses given were that a. The video was fabricated. 2. Kasab was a Hindu 3. The name is not spelled or pronounced that way. etc.
    While all this reasons were being given, the agencies descended on the family of kasab in Pakistan and took them away so that the press cannot get to them.
    The point is, you cannot show ‘concrete evidense’ to those who are dishonest.
    How about the families of other 9 associates of kasab ?

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  • Jan
    Apr 9, 2012 - 9:28PM

    @1984:
    What kind of comment is this…
    You have to realize that Pakistan is here to stay and is your neighbour with equal right. Yes, it has problems but then India has problems too. You let us sort our problems and you clean your house. Once your house is crisp clean then you can come and point fingers at Pakistan…

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  • Bombay dude
    Apr 9, 2012 - 9:40PM

    @Imran MohammadFor Pakistan even if Hafeez Saeed confeses he was involved in all sort of terrorism will not be a “solid evidence”. They will say Hafeez just got mad hence he is confessing. If we give you video footage which shows Hafeez killing someone with his own hand, you will say we used body double. In short, evidence is solid enough when you have rational to understand them and connect the dots.Recommend

  • kaalchakra
    Apr 9, 2012 - 9:45PM

    India Peaks

    That went way over my head. All I am interested in is that you accept and tell others that India is no better than Pakistan. Thank you.

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  • India Peaks
    Apr 9, 2012 - 10:02PM

    Hopefully my last post here. This section can become a slugfest where Pak & India keep fighting each other or a place for genuine debate. I would urge all friends here to put their nationalistic viewpoints aside and attempt logical points. No point blindly supporting our country’s narratives. We are thinking individuals first, Indian/Pakistani later. Sometimes a liberal dose of healthy self criticism is good for the system, I have flt to catch …. happy debating!!!! Ciao

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  • Bilal
    Apr 9, 2012 - 10:05PM

    Being a Pakistani , I am ashamed to be associated with radicals, terrorists, murderers, suicide bombers and dark forces. Hafiz Saeed fits into at-least one category.

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  • Murttd
    Apr 9, 2012 - 10:07PM

    @Much Amused:
    This guy himself has made statements hundreds of times in public that he has waged Jihad and he will continue to wage Jihad
    against Israel, Americans and Indians. What other evidence do you need ?
    It is really unfortunate to see many Pakistanis still supporting terrorists like Saeed.
    Really shameful…..

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  • kaalchakra
    Apr 9, 2012 - 10:16PM

    India Peaks

    Have a safe journey. Your help was much appreciated. C ya later.

    Why can’t all Indians be as reasonable and realize that there is no point asking Pakistan to do anything when so many things are wrong in India itself. Who says we can’t like Indians if and when they are sufficiently reasonable?

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  • wonderer
    Apr 9, 2012 - 10:26PM

    @Bilal:

    You are so right. What surprises many people most is that Pakistanis do not realize the damage these people can do to their own society. And, is there any chance that any good will come to the people of Pakistan by the activities they indulge in?

    Mumbai was a huge success. You made Indians look like fools. You killed 166 against 9. But what benefit was derived by any Pakistani? Any thing other than being labeled epicenter of global terrorism?

    Just think!

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  • Apr 9, 2012 - 11:30PM

    I think only a person with so much courage will think about touching Hafiz, he is a brilliant and a brave man, he can not be handed over to India or USA very easily
    http://syedowais.blogspot.com/2012/04/are-they-afraid-of-hijaab.htmlRecommend

  • Malaika Khan
    Apr 10, 2012 - 12:08AM

    @India Peaks:
    we have evidence against Lt. Col. Shrikant Prasad Purohit for killing 60 plus pakistanis in samjhota express in 2007, hand him over to us …

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  • Bombay dude
    Apr 10, 2012 - 12:23AM

    @Blithe: By nature of accession India was handed over to India by Maharaj of Kahsmir. So India has right on Kashmir. Pakistan is afraid of removing the army more than India cause Pakistan knows India has advantage here. So stop denying facts and start realizing them, easier will be your pain. Now if you want to start example of Nizam of Hyderabad and Junnagadh, irrespective of their will, does the Pakistani government has any document or proof of accession in hand to contest or claim ? Like you say for Hafiz Saeed, “where is the evidence” ? Also show “where is the evidence” that Kashmiri muslims are being tortured or treated inhumanly. I call all the news as propaganda and all protestors as paid actors. I don’t take them as evidence. Please provide “solid evidence” that Kahsmir is even an issue. Just because you call it issue does not make it so. “WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE”

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  • yajsingh
    Apr 10, 2012 - 12:49AM

    Dear India (& US),

    Firstly, our gairath does not allow us to own non-state actors;
    Second, read the first point again.

    Yours Truly,
    Shaheed Chacha OBL
    On my way to Shaheed Chacha Mullah Omar
    Chote Miyan Zaid Hamid

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  • Dr afzal
    Apr 10, 2012 - 1:21AM

    Its all nothing but smoke n mirror.

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  • Arijit Sharma
    Apr 10, 2012 - 1:24AM

    @Malaika Khan: ” … we have evidence against Lt. Col. Shrikant Prasad Purohit for killing 60 plus pakistanis in samjhota express in 2007, hand him over to us … ”

    You can not have him. The incident happened on Indian soil, India has jurisdiction. That is how international law works.Recommend

  • 1984
    Apr 10, 2012 - 1:32AM

    @Jan:
    @Blithe:
    If Kashmir is the issue.Lets implement the UN Resolution..
    Pakistan get back the land you donated to China and withdraw your troops…
    India will also withdraw their troops…
    Till Kashmir become self-reliant,lets have a neutral force like NATO guard their borders from any invasion from India or Pakistan….
    Are you ready for that???

    India has a lot of problems..But we neither deny it nor we point fingers at a foreign enemy and cook up conspiracy theories

    @Malaika Khan:
    Dont brag about the evidence….The hand of Col.Purohit was discovered by Indian authorities not Pakistani authorities….
    FYI
    Col.Purohit,Sadhvi Pragya are all in jail and the organisation Abinav Bharat is banned in India…
    Could we expect you to jail Hafiz Saeed and ban JuD???Recommend

  • Arijit Sharma
    Apr 10, 2012 - 1:36AM

    @Syed Owais Mukhtar: You begin your blog thus:

    ” …Islam is the fastest spreading religion in west these days; people are understanding and accepting Islam more than ever.

    It is a game of quality, not quantity, my friend.

    Judaism is the most static religion in the world – with a miniscule number converting into and out of it ( and not getting killed for it ). Jewish people, as a community have the highest per capita contribution to mankind. Recommend

  • Please be rational
    Apr 10, 2012 - 2:11AM

    @Malaika Khan:
    Purohit (he doesnt deserve the honor of a Col.) is in Jail. What more do you want. Are you going to put him in some special jail in Pakistan. Yes he could be hung but India hasnt hung Ajmal Kasab yet either and as a policy uses the information it can get from these criminals. I dont know what dream land people like you live in. If Hafeed Saeed was already in Jail and India was asking for further prosecution then you may have had a point. Pakistanis dont just say Hafeez Saeed isnt guilty (cause he is a plotting murdered whose organization unfortunately also has a charitable arm). Charity or no charity if they are involved in terrorism then they need to be brought to book.

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  • Iqbal
    Apr 10, 2012 - 2:14AM

    Arey, so what if there is solid evidence?. Our government should have the courage to say that no matter what evidence you give us, we will never hand over Hafiz saab to India. Even if he comes on TV and says yes, I planned the attacks, we will still never give him up. Even if there is another Mumbai, we will never give him up.

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  • Babloo
    Apr 10, 2012 - 2:23AM

    It has been motre than 72 hours since Hafeez Saeed spoke publicly. Where is he hiding ? Is he being hid by the establishment again ? I would request Tribune to carry news on his any public appearences or outrageous comments.

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  • Spud
    Apr 10, 2012 - 4:18AM

    @Freedom Seeker: Agreed, but will the ISI agree?

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  • Spud
    Apr 10, 2012 - 4:21AM

    @Jan: Because six US citizens were killed by Saeed’s chelas ie. disciples.

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  • gp65
    Apr 10, 2012 - 5:20AM

    @Malaika Khan: “we have evidence against Lt. Col. Shrikant Prasad Purohit for killing 60 plus pakistanis in samjhota express in 2007, hand him over to us”

    Actually it is Indian investogators that determined that it was Colonel Purohit that was involved. He is in jail right now by the way. Pakistan on the other denied that these people were from Pakistan. When Geo news tracked down Ajmal Kasab’s family in Pakistan, theauthorities had no choice but to agree on world platform that it was a Pakistani. Yet within Pakistan, the establishment assets continued to spread the lies that Kasab was actually a Hindu called Amar Singh. So there is abig difference between how Indian government acted in the Smjhauta express case vs. how Pakrulers (government plus establishment acted).

    Another difference between Samjhauta express and 26/11. Indians did not go to Pakistan and kill Pak civilians in Pakistan in the samjhauta express case – so even for that reason there is no question of handing someone over to Pakistan. In 26/11 Pakistanis came to India and killed Indians.

    Finally, if Hafiz Saeed was sincerely tried in Pak courts, Indians would be Okay with that too, but that is not being done. So please do not compare the 2 incidents. Both were terror attacks but there is night and day difference n how each government handled the issue.

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  • gp65
    Apr 10, 2012 - 5:29AM

    @Syed Owais Mukhtar: In your blog, you state that defying the French ban, Muslim girls are wearing hijaab and declaring their religion. You know perfectly well that the ban is not against hijaab. It is against the niqaab. Hence there is no defiance by these Muslim women when they wear hijaabs.

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  • Basit
    Apr 10, 2012 - 6:51AM

    Statement of Ajmal Qasab was made under duress and he has changed his statements already. Same with Headley, who is a US DEA informer who made up a lot of stories. Hafiz Saeed may not be an angel but he knows better than to involve himself with massacres anywhere. After 9/11, LeT split off into some smaller factions. It was one of these factions that was involved. Nothing to do with Hafiz Saeed, who is trying to reign in those factions.

    Of course this site is infested by liberals and their Indian allies, so truth is of little consequence. With Hafiz Saeed, more young people will gravitate towards TTP and then it won’t be Indians, Americans or liberal elites who suffer, but regular Pakistanis.

    These threats are meaningless in the face of reality.

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  • Babloo
    Apr 10, 2012 - 7:39AM

    What is the latest on Mr Hafiz Saeed ? 84 hours have passed since he was last seen in public. Is he in abottabad ?

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  • mr. righty rightist
    Apr 10, 2012 - 8:20AM

    Indians should lay off.

    Pakistanis are very honest. Below is a list of undeniable truths, uttered by Pakistani establishment.

    Dec 15 1971 : Pakistan is winning the war.

    May 1999 : Infiltrators in Kargil are Kashmir Mujahideen.

    Sep 2006 : Osama is not in Pakistan.

    Nov 2008 : Ajmal Kasab is not a Pakistani.

    2012 : Hafeez Saeed is not a terrorist.

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  • Apr 10, 2012 - 8:41AM

    @Truth Hurts:
    Let me add not only muslims but his organisation helps hindus, christians or anybody in need.

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  • Yash
    Apr 10, 2012 - 8:42AM

    @Blithe:

    700k army in kashmir…thats about half the indian army….if u know the size of india…i wonder whose guarding other areas

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  • Apr 10, 2012 - 8:44AM

    @unbeliever:

    Unless Kashmir problem is resolved, terrorism(Freedom fight) will remain in Kashmir. So resolving the Kashmir dispute thru diolouge is the best thing. Without which any goodwill build up will fall down.

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  • Yash
    Apr 10, 2012 - 8:45AM

    @Democrat:

    lol….funny guy….half knowledge…baseless “facts”…enjoy ur hypocrisy….btw..do u have even slightest evidence of indian involvement in balochistan??

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  • Apr 10, 2012 - 8:49AM

    @Babloo:

    I am the witness of Narender Modi killing muslims in gujrat. Now I want Narender Modi to be punished by hanging. If India does that then we will think about Hafiz saheb.

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  • Apr 10, 2012 - 8:54AM

    @Pakistan politics:

    Actually Kasab’s real identity is Amar Singh. If they let interview with the Pakistani officials then his identity will reveal and the Indian drama will come to an end.

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  • Apr 10, 2012 - 9:14AM

    @Lawangin:

    9/11 is a drama so as to get to Afghanistan to set up bases here to monitor China. Second reason to get to Pakistan’s nuclear bombs. As Gen Hameed Gul rightly said that 9/11 is BAHANA, Aghanistan is a THIKANA and Pakistan is the NISHANA. The recent events folding reveals thats gonna be the truth.

    Indians saw this and make 26/11 with the help of Indian army and RAW so that to stalled the talks with Pakistan for an unlimited time. Hemant Kerkare almost reached to the truth about who were in the army so he was killed with this drama. Indian army higher-ups does not want their soldiers get caught so they killed Hemant Karkare and his team. Hemants wife knew who killed her husband so she did not even take a medal of honour for her husband.

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  • Rafay
    Apr 10, 2012 - 9:23AM

    lol.. india have provided solid evidence to PAK then why is USA roaming out there offering 10 millions dollars to one who provides evidence about hafiz saeed (THE Hero OF 5 Cror Mulaahs in PAK Even More Who know may be taliban too) India can give the evidence to usa easily and take the bounty.Shame, They should have handed it to Usa for free, the so called solid EVIDENCE.

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  • Hit-man
    Apr 10, 2012 - 9:38AM

    Hafeez Sayeed not seen, not heard for many days now, where is he hiding or has he chickened out after threatening US ? I believe American seals and Indian commandos are planning a joint operation against him and latter have already flown to US for rehearsal.

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  • observer
    Apr 10, 2012 - 10:15AM

    @Kaalchakra

    All I am interested in is that you accept and tell others that India is no better than Pakistan. Thank you

    Test of better and worse is the reaction of ‘Independent Third Parties’.

    A. Do find out how many countries, including Islamic Mumalik, allow ‘visa on arrival’ to Pakistanis and how many do the same for Indians.

    B. How many foreigners including Chinese, visit Pakistan and how many head for India.

    Got your answer? Now accept it. Thank you.

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  • Agent Vinod
    Apr 10, 2012 - 10:56AM

    India should launch a surgical strike against Pakistan and hunt down all terrorists just as USA killed OBL.

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  • Democrat
    Apr 10, 2012 - 10:56AM

    @Yash…

    yes the half knowledge which you people are never allowed to learn by your govt and media… tell you one thing… have you checked the mumbai attacks media footage? the moment it started, the indian media was saying pak and isi was behind it… with that bias mind, what else can one expect? now that US is helping you to find “proofs” to fit into your theory? no dear..the world does not work like this… investigation has to be objective and unbiased… if your govt and media fed you that pak was behind mumbai attacks then God help you…you would never ques your govt for the killing of hemant kurkure… is there any high level investigation? why was he killed by your elite force? was he into something?

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  • Pakistani
    Apr 10, 2012 - 10:58AM

    @Babloo:
    He is having lunch with president of Pakistan. Do u have a problem with that?

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  • abdulazeez
    Apr 10, 2012 - 11:03AM

    @ kaalchakra: “LET has always been a peaceful organisation “……………..ha…ha…ha.. what a joke.you said it man …you said it.

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  • Pakistani
    Apr 10, 2012 - 11:03AM

    shame on u ET

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  • MarkH
    Apr 10, 2012 - 11:07AM

    @Mikek:
    Then go to court and see if a jury believes you. False police reports and testimony is a natural aspect of enforcing the law. Every court has to deal with it and they don’t deal with it by disregarding it. They decide the credibility in the court room. If it’s really not that believable then you should be all for Saeed going to court against such evidence. He won’t be able to have the problem come up a second time if he’s found innocent at that point. It’ll shut everybody up. Unless… oh my, he, himself might actually know those people are credible and there’s nobody to save him or nobody afraid of him enough outside Pakistan to let him go.

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  • abdulazeez
    Apr 10, 2012 - 11:07AM

    @ kaalchakra : “LET has always been a peaceful organization ” …….ha…ha…ha….what a joke you said it man.. you said it

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  • Tony C.
    Apr 10, 2012 - 11:45AM

    @Cautious:
    Dear Cautious,
    You have got it wrong again. For example, the U.S. has torture camps all around the world with the main one being Gitmo. They have been torturing people in Gitmo for ten years now. I think they enjoy it. Unfortunately for the tortured people the Washington/Military duo will not allow them to be tried in an American court, because, as usual, there is not enough evidence that will stand up in front of a legitimate Judge. In view of the fact that the U.S. finds it difficult to get people found guilty their preferred choice is to send a few agents/Seals/Blackwater-types in the middle of the night and murder people. I COULD WRITE MORE, BUT PERHAPS EVEN YOU MIGHT GET THE POINT, or not?

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  • sid
    Apr 10, 2012 - 12:05PM

    yeah right, yo Paks are so spaced out that the world laughs..even OBL was not in pakistan as per your President. LO he had two kids and three wives in the time

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  • Pakistani
    Apr 10, 2012 - 1:24PM

    @mr. righty rightist:
    Thank you.. finally you have accepted the facts… its never too late and you should not be ashamed of it….

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  • Pakistani
    Apr 10, 2012 - 1:30PM

    @sid:
    Whats the point of making this statement…. Irrelevant statements will not get you anywhere… loser….

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  • James
    Apr 10, 2012 - 2:55PM

    @Mikek:
    The RSS is also a charitable organisation.THey provide a lot of help during disasters.This does not absolve them of terrorism by their militant wings

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  • James
    Apr 10, 2012 - 3:07PM

    @Democrat:
    Your media had also blamed us and RAW for the Sri Lankan cricket team attack.But you did not investigate how the four attackers had so easily escaped.Karkare was killed by Kasab and party(the guys who attacked the train station).This was corroborated by eye witness during the investigation.

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  • Analyzer
    Apr 10, 2012 - 3:22PM

    I’ve said it before and i’ll say it again people, don’t feed the trolls! :)

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  • faizal
    Apr 10, 2012 - 3:30PM

    @Dear Pakistanis,
    Stop coloring papers in every form. If you think so much evil of India, turn to your govt and just ask them not to have any relationship with India, break diplomatic relation and fight a war, a war till one of us finished….If you cant do that, just shut up run. Indians are not running to Pakistan for anything, it is Pakistan coming to us. Read your own newspapers and see who is begging India to play cricket matches in Pakistan. Do you see that even a country like Bangladesh does not play with you in your country, Bangladesh, which you though was your former colony. Shame on you…!!!! huh…

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  • mr. righty rightist
    Apr 10, 2012 - 4:27PM

    @Pakistani who writes to me “Thank you.. finally you have accepted the facts… its never too late and you should not be ashamed of it….”

    You are welcome sir. While I’m at it, let me also assert the following truths.

    1) Pakistan is a regional power on its way to becoming a superpower.

    2) Pakistan’s economy is booming.

    3) Pakistan is looked upon by the world with great respect. In fact the world considers Pakistan model of secularism and democracy as a model to everybody. Everybody wants to be Pakistan’s friend. Everybody wants to invest in Pakistan.

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  • Mian
    Apr 10, 2012 - 4:36PM

    Shameful for those Pakistanis who consider Mr.hafiz culprit. Why don,t you think about Bal Thakray & Mehindra Moody who with their involvement butchered Thousand Muslims and & innocent children.Why don,t you raise voice against those terrorists.
    These are the Muslims who are busy in amusing jews & hindus.Recommend

  • Don007
    Apr 10, 2012 - 6:04PM

    @Mian:
    What do u say about forced conversion, killing and abduction of non-Muslims specially Hindus in Pakistan? What is your opinion regarding Muslims killing each other on sectarian and ethnic grounds. Bal Thakray like people are at least not operating inside Pakistan. Their action are limited to the Indian soil only. Check the links below if you have any doubts.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/361740/conspiracy-theory-maharaj-kidnapped-two-days-before-hinglaj-pilgrimage/

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/361973/four-killed-in-firing-incident-in-quetta/

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  • Anon
    Apr 10, 2012 - 7:28PM

    To Indians who cannot understand the weird logic some Pakistanis are coming up with to justify that Hafiz Sayeed is not guilty need to understand this. We (as in everyone) tend to see the world as we are. The problem with Pakistanis here is that their Government is constantly lying to them, hence they have come to believe that all governments lie and so the Indian story has to be untrue. On the other hand Indians tend to trust their government at least regarding foreign policy, army, kashmir etc (till now) and so we believe most of the things that our government says. The truth I am sure is somewhere in the middle. I am sure we have not given enough evidence to Pakistan to prosecute Hafiz Sayeed and I am also sure that the evidence given is sufficient for Pakistan to know that all is not correct with Hafiz Sayeed. The problem is neither Government is being sincere to its people. We all would be in a better place had the investigating agencies in India done a better job or had the Pakistanis been more sincere about tackling terrorism. Unfortunately we have not done a good job and Pakistanis don’t care.

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  • Roflcopter
    Apr 10, 2012 - 7:35PM

    @Pragmatist, quit with straw man arguments and provide evidence.

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  • kaalchakra
    Apr 10, 2012 - 9:28PM

    Observer

    We don’t have to ask “third-parties”. India-Peaks is an Indian. He should know. He has no reason to lie and under-state anything if India indeed was any different.

    We don’t have to lose our faith in mankind that at least ONE honest, intelligent, and brave Indian – India Peaks – exists who has blown through the hypocrisy, the denials, the inherent hatreds of all other Indians toward Pakistan’s natural rights.

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  • Khan
    Apr 11, 2012 - 6:10AM

    @Democrat:
    Good on you Man…

    Indies are trapped into their own politics and the current govt is trying to hide the shame they faced and are facing due to the drama they created and presented to their own nation.
    I am not saying that HS is a nice person, we all know that he is an extremist and a bad person trying to play with innocent and illiterate perople’s mind BUT in this particular case, NAAAAH…I dont think if he is involved.

    He is active, very active (positively or negetively). God knows, in kashmir activities and thats the whole point why the Indies want to trap and get hold on him. (again, its my own thinking and it just reflects my personel understanding)..

    Overall…he is a Bad Bad person cz he is an extremist by heart,by mind and by his policies and acts.

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  • Apr 11, 2012 - 10:05AM

    @Asad: Honestly, which side of line you stand? You want terror mongers to roam free in your country. Fine your choice.

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  • Ahmer Ali
    Apr 11, 2012 - 11:20AM

    Indian and US’ leaders only need a single clue to take any negative steps especially against the muslims most especially Pakistani muslims,Taliban and Alqaeda and they make full use of it in the world thru media doesn’t matter they provide fake,fabricated and embellished evidences.

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  • Tony C.
    Apr 11, 2012 - 5:42PM

    @Shock Horror:
    I like your statement “show me the evidence”. We have been fighting wars since 9/11, and no country to my knowledge has produced enough evidence to take anybody, except a few soldiers and so called low level terrorists, to court and the courts have always been military courts.

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