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'Forced conversion': Teen insists she converted of own free will
Faryal (Rinkle) tells media she is a Muslim girl and has nothing to do with her parents; married of own free will.
Faryal said that she had converted to Islam and had married Naveed Shah of her own free will, and that nobody had pressurised her into this. PHOTO: SARFARAZ MEMON
SUKKUR: Faryal Shah (Rinkle Kumari) appeared before the media on Thursday and made it clear that she had not been kidnapped and had not been forced to convert to Islam and marry Naveed Shah.
Faryal said that she had converted to Islam and had married Naveed Shah of her own free will, and that nobody had pressurised her into this. Reading out the Kalma-e-Tayyaba, Faryal said she was a Muslim girl and therefore had nothing to do with her parents.
Faryal (Rinkle Kumari) and her husband Naveed Shah were produced in front of the Sindh High Court (SHC) Sukkur bench on Thursday morning amid tight security.
The couple was escorted by SSP Ghotki Pir Mohammad Shah along with a heavy contingent of police. Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) MNA Mian Abdul Haq of Bharchoondi Sharif, his son Mian Mohammad Aslam and a large number of their followers were also present.
The couple through their lawyer, Achar Gabole, had filed a constitutional petition stating that their lives were under threat from the relatives of the girl, who had been issuing threats of dire consequences.
Answering a question on threats to their lives, she said, “Our lives are under threat from my maternal uncle Raj Kumar”. She once again made it clear that she was a Muslim and wanted to live with her husband Naveed Shah.
Advocate Mohammad Murad Lund, who was representing Faryal’s grandfather Manohar Lal, told The Express Tribune that the single bench comprising of Justice Ahmed Ali Shaikh without recording the statement of the girl had ordered SSP Ghotki to provide protection to the couple and ensure that they are produced before the SHC chief justice in Karachi on March 12.
Advocate Mohammad Murad Lund kept on insisting that, the girl was under pressure due to the presence of a large number of Bharchoondi Sharif followers. He said everything will become “crystal clear” in Karachi, as the girl would be able to record her statement in a tension free atmosphere.
Mian Mohammad Aslam of Bharchoondi Sharif said that everyone had seen that Faryal was neither under pressure and had not said a word against the Pirs. “Rather she gave a statement against her own maternal uncle who is threatening to kill her.”
He said his father, PPP MNA Mian Abdul Haq had also come to the court because the girl’s parents had requested that they wanted to meet their daughter, but they didn’t come to see her.
Aslam said when the couple had come to Dargah Bharchoondi Sharif on February 24, Faryal had spoken to her parents on his instructions and had told them that she had come there to convert to Islam and marry Naveed Shah.
“I personally requested them to come over and meet their daughter to see for themselves that she was not under pressure, but they didn’t’ come,” Mian Aslam said.
He once again said that neither Islam nor the law of the land allowed forced conversion.
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in that case its ok…
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ET and the so called liberals would be disappointed from this news.
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I Hope now those people who were saying that She is Kidnapped Or Pressurised had their views clear when Faryal Shah said that she Converted to her own will….
By the way if a mature person accepts any relegion espasially Islam He/She has Right to do so… You cant stop Him/Her from doing so…
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and why would anybody forced her conversion? Are muslim less in numbers that they need to do it? ridiculous blame…
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Congratulations for Becoming a MUSLIM…you are on the Right Track cuz you were destined to be a MUSLIM…MASHALLAH…
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One thing I have learnt in my life… Right or wrong, religion has always divided people. It leads to animosity, hate and intolerance for each other.
I don’t know what to say… I am outta here.!!
Peace!!
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Now i think the Liberal Extremists and Indians from across the border will lose their voice. All these critics must realize that Islam is a very vibrant and powerful region and sooner than later, the whole world will become Islamic world. Why is China afraid of Pakistan, because there are huge conversions into Muslims and China is trying to control it by putting curbs (like on Uighurs), which, Inshallah it cannot and will break.
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Sooner than later, every Non Muslim in Pakistan will be converted into a Muslim, Inshallah. I also heard several chinese in Pakistan are also converting.
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So the girl’s parents politicized the issue!
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Love is free of religion, ethnic, geography
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though I support her conversion, Islam doesn’t allow one to forsake their parents even if they’re polytheists. She should reconcile with them but continue to live with her husband and practice Islam.
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Great News! The other day I had seen hundreds of angry mouth foaming comments from minorities and liberals about the ordeals faced by minorities in pakistan and the plight of Rinkle. I hope they now apologize for their previous comments. I wish Faryal and Naveed a happy life with the light of Islam always brightening their life. As I always say the minorities in Pakistan are in no more danger than the majority.
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Scripted !
Lets have a simple solution of this problem.
Handover Rinkal to her Family, call media , And ask same question.
If Naveed shah is right then he shouldn’t get scare for leave her to family.
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masha allah
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Now will Kapil Dev the blogger on ET and others who said that she was kidnapped and forced to convert come out to apologize for their allegations? I don’t think so!
Why has ET become a fourm for bashing Pakistan for every single incident?
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One sentence says it all.
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Obviously this is PAK so anyone who is converted to ISLAM is not forced. It happens automatically with a divine intervention. We all know well this drama .
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The BBC should be condemened for its bias storty that it put out regarding the same issu via Sohail Ahmed. We mst demand that #BBC apologise.
BBC tried to create hate and division in Pakistan and also tried to damage Pakistan image abroad.Recommend
If she has become a Muslim she should respect her parents. Just becasue she has a different religion form them doesn’t mean that she should have nothing to do with them. Heaven lies at the feet of your mother! So you should do her seva khidmet no matter what!
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now kidnapings will become more easy and more frequent.
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Why should she need to convert to marry – that is the question. Yet another painful episode for the Hindus of Pakistan.
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Why would they force her to convert? Tell me one good reason! I hate it when the media publishes a story trying to protray something that’s not true and in this case the charges of forced conversion are ridiculous! You make it seem like every non muslim in Pakistan is under pressure to convert which is totally rubbish!
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we never do it by force… believe it or else…
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First of all Alhamdolilah & MashaAllah for the reversion. May Allah bless both woman and man.
Secondly, where are all Liberals who bark on opposite matters? And Look at ET’s headline, “Forced Conversion” giving impression as if something forcibly has happened.
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does she have any other option?
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@HMM wonderful, bravo
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till today, i was of view that Tribune will not publish this news but my assumptions gone wrong. its really a great job done by tribune. now our psuedo Liberal and seculer media should should change thier policy and publish the news after research and due deligence.
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Where are the Indians who were protesting a few days back about this girls ‘abduction’?
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Now where are all those liberals and indians in particular who were creating hue and cry just a couple of days back against the so called ”atrocities” and ”cruelty” being carried out on the minorities in Pakistan.
The conclusion: DO NOT jump to conclusions until you’v seen the whole picture ! :P
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Is it allowed in Pakistan for a Muslim to convert to another religion ( Hinduism, Christianity, or Judaism)? Says it all about the state of freedom of religion in Pakistan.
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i still see a lot of loopholes in what has been stated; waiting for the update after she records her statement in KHI though
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@HMM: As a “liberal” I am happy she was not forced, but pray tell what would have been the fate of a Muslim girl who converts to some other religion in order to marry someone? The answer is clearly not “live in peace” but rather gunned down, along with her spouse. Why do we continue to uphold foolish tribal stoneage moral values today?
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@Naveed Baloch:
Will a Muslim girl be allowed to convert to Hinduism to marry or for any other reason? Will you support her right to choose her faith?
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She is lying, only people who live in interior sindh can understand this not outsiders.
in interior we have no place for mullas.
we Sindhi are not extemist as compare mullas
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The Liberal Facists in the Media were trying to bash Islam with this story but they are disappointed.
Religious extremists control FATA, Liberal westernized extremists control the government of Pakistan and Media.
The Silent Majority of Pakistan is against both of these extremes.
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Congraulating on accepting Islam on your own free will.
I have never heard in my life that any Muslim has converted his or her religion, but many non-Muslims have coverted and have become Muslims througout the world.
This is due to the reason that ISLAM is the best religion in the world.
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Now I want to hear what these so called liberals, who were making hue and cry, have to say. She converted on her own free will. Cant people just accept that. Cant people accept that a person can convert to Islam on his / her free will. These so called liberals just have to find an opportunity to justify their propoganda that Islam spread through sword. Shame on them. Everyone has the right to choose his / her religion. She accepted Islam, we should accept her decision. May you have a great and blessed life Faryal. I pray that your family and your community can accept your decision.Recommend
If she has married this person out of love, then what is the need to convert? Either the love is hollow -or- having been abducted she has resigned to her fate.
Considering that the girl is a teenager, this incident would have been treated as abduction in India and most countries. Possibly a rape charge would have been added to it as well. But I think in Pakistan the law is different.
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@Naveed Baloch:
why ‘specially Islam’? on the other hand, muslims, if they dare convert to another religion, are ‘wajib-ul-qatl’. why???
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Faryal said she was a Muslim girl and therefore had nothing to do with her parents.
What does it mean? does it mean generally muslim girls have nothing to do with her parents?
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but why has this statement of rinkal been made after so many days? she would have come out with this statement much earlier…something smells fishy!! may been goons took so long to threaten the girl to make such a statement.
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but why has rinkal taken so many days to come out with such a statement?? she should have come out with this statement much earlier….something smells fishy !! may be goons took so many days to threaten her to make such a statement before media…. and its silly to blame girl’s uncle or parents of threatening to kill the couple….when they are neither financially nor politiclly powerful as compared to all accused involved…. god bless her!
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I can smell burning. Probably thats why many people have not commented like the last time, But i am not a fire fighter.
However, point to ponder. What if someone converts from islam to an other religion? I will say, let them be in peace as long as they do not declare war on Islam or hurt Muslims while trying to sound a ‘scholar’.
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still I have a doubt…the wild faces of the people gathered around the girl have the power to generate any sort of statement from the girl. it is not a easy task to tell the right story when it is about the honour of Islam and the victim is Hindu teenage Pakistani girl, victimize by an influential Muslim family. my soul burns when I heard these stories.
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Where are those foreign-paid liberals who made a mountain out of a molehill about this girl?? too ashamed to write here now??
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@One Faced – TRUTHFUL:
They have written the term ‘Forced conversion’. The ‘ ‘ makes the meaning the other way round. So ET has done right.
And lets stop calling ET anti-state or anti-Islam. They are entitled to their opinion. And we have liberty to have our own opinion. As long as they publish our comments, we should give them the credit of being fair.
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IF convertign to Islam is a choice…. Converting to christianity ( moving out of Islam) is also a choice…. why is that not accpeted?
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If Younis Habib can be taken away by FIA for not releasing Rs400 million to them, what about this poor girl. She is under duress and fears that if she tells the truth, all her family members will be killed.
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the conversion which she did is totallly in pressure…..they warned faryal that if she will not talk against their favour they will kill her parents or else? if she has been converted into islam by her own will? so why these persons mian mitho and his all persons took guns in the Muirpurmathelo when the statement was gonna be taken from Faryal (rinkal) there were no any single hindu? all were the persons of mian mitho? we hindus also belive in humanity….but this is rubbish..and there is no any religion who tell us to force persons :( and this is very bad////
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Hindu community specially in interior sindh is being suppressed, no doubt about that ! Even if this episode is true it does not overcome the fact that henious crimes like rape, kidnapping, extortion etc. takes place. Our society and courts should take this matter more seriously ! Being naive to the situation will not solve problems of Hindus of Pakistan.
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@ Blackjack: there cant be a marriage between a muslim and a non muslim. Islam doesnt allow it, its simple. If you have issues dont love a non muslim / muslim boy or a girl. Its all rubbish that love is blind .. blah blah blah… The truth is you have to consider these factors because you cant change religious rules. There are rules and you have abide by them.
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So what is surprise??? In Muslim dominated country, forcefully married to son of a politically influential person, surrounded by the threatening crowd, what she would have said, it was going to be the same story. But I’m now curious… for if boy was a Non-Muslim and girl Muslim and if girl would have said the same thing then also the reaction would have been the same from the reader here? I doubt for even couple would not have been able to approach the court. It happened a few month back when two Doctor was murdered. What a hypocritical view!!!!
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“Mian Abdul Haq of Bharchoondi Sharif”
I wasn’t expecting such a place and that too with “Sharif” :D
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a slap on the face of liberal fascists who were jumping up and down on this issue
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Why this conversion to any religion for marriage sake. I’m dead against the these religious bigots who are bent upon on insisting for conversion before marriage. If you want to marry to a person just get married, why to change his/her religion. In India there are many people especially from the Bollywood, who never tried to change the religion of their spouse, whether Shahrukh Khan/Gouri, Nawab of Pataudi/Sharmila Tagore, Hritik Roshan/Suzanne Khan.
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A big disappointment for the US funded NGOs who were out to make it a case of violation of rights of minorities.
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She didnt had any choice rather than to accept islam. Imagine what would happen to her at her husband’s house if she reject islam.
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ET and the like minded crowd must be weeping
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Anybody would make a statement like that when faced with all kinds of threats.
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What?! I can’t hear you Mr. Liberal. ;-)
BBC will also be greatly disappointed as they had a bias report about it yesterday.
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any thing these peers , land lords can do . i think a fair investigation needs to b the supreme ourt becz if the girl s forced to do so the its the crime beyond al crimes and if the girl family is lying then they need punishment becz religion shjpul nevr b brought among personal issue then becz it will effect communal Harmony and hate factors would lead to among our hindu brothers , lets understand others probs and lets nt b emotional
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If this was a Muslim girl to start off with, then she would have been killed in the name of honour by the very people protecting her.
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we hindus love humanity…we are totally again of this matter …….do we have no right to live in pakistan? quaid-e-azam said minorities will have the same rights as the other and think that one of the muslim girls being kidnapped and forcefully converted into anyother religion? what will be the reaction of the muslim community? we hate protests and what so ever but now we have to do because if we did nt take any action this will happen again ……..because it happened 3 times 2 hindu girls from jacobabad become kidnaaped and 1 from larkana? what should we do? where should we do? do we leave pakistan? :( u can see all muslims are safe in india but we are not safe in pakistan :(
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@Vinayak:
“If she has married this person out of love, then what is the need to convert?”
Mahatma Gandhi had a slightly different take on it. When Viajaya Lukshmi, Nehru’s sister, fell in love with a Muslim guy, she was ready to convert “for love”. Her father, Motilal Nehru, tried to dissuade her but not to much avail. In desperation, he asked her to seek counsel of Bapu (Mahatma). Vijaya poured out her heart to Bapu how she couldn’t conceive of being able to live without her ” true love”. At this, the Mahatma posed a question to her. Said he:” You say you cannot live without your “true love” and so, you are ready to convert for the sake of that love. Is he also in love with you to the same degree? If he is, then he should be as ready to convert for your sake, isn’t it? Find out if he is indeed.” Well, folks, that was the end of the affair. Vijaya Luxmi got over him and went on to greater heights in public life of India.
It may be too late to tender Bapu’s wisdom to Rinkle Kumari!
“Either the love is hollow -or- having been abducted she has resigned to her fate.”
Spot on!
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@Malatesh:
u are 100% right
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oh, staunch supporters of mullahs are thumping their chests over here, indians(me), liberals neither dead nor left the place, if it is simple conversion then ,what this MNA doing over there ?, is he a part time mullah ?, how can a minor get married in pakistan ?,why isn’t the girl allowed meet her parents?,why their parents left villege to start with?, one person from the minority community(her uncle) threatening entire mullah brigade,police,lawyers in pakistan which is really beyond my understanding, writing is on the wall for everybody to see.
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This is a very sorry case and the real truth will not emerge now but after a couple of years if the girl survives till then. The quest for homogeneity and the route to it will destroy Pakistan. Recommend
@Malatesh:
And what would have happened Malatesh…
Now you are just changing the focus on what would have happened… changing religion from islam to hinduism etc… the fact of the matter is she fell in love with the guy and got married and converted… this is her choice… .so what… if a person changes his religion for whatever reason that is his choice… learn to live with this my indian friends….sometimes its good to accept that you made the wrong assessment…
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There was no any article that gives info since how long Rinkle Kumari and Naveed Shah were in love before the conversion. Why?????
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@BlackJack: Had she been a Christian or a Jewish woman, she would not have had to accept Islam. For a Muslim man, marriage is only permissible to a Muslim, Christian or Jewish woman (or a woman following a religion of the Book).
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I would be called senseless if i say this statement was given by her own wish .. simply 17 years old girl can not show her freewill under the shadow of thousands gunmen. Most of you dont know what is happening in interior sindh, this is the only incident which has been reported but most of the cases go unreported. What happened in CHAK, 3 hindus were murdered in their homes?, 7 hindu children were kidnapped in just 2 years time from kashmore, where is ayesha kumari from jacobabd, where is Dr.lata no one knows. Law & order situation is great concern for all peacefull citizens but hindus are more at risk.
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They do not come to support or even help their Voters who have choose them to be their representatives. Why this statement was not given before and why that time when Senior Civil Judge abolished the case this Media Talk was not allowed !!!
She claims that she has live threat from her Uncle !! What a Joke , Joke of the Century !! Did you guys ever in the history of Pakistan heard about Honor Stupid Killing from Hindu Family or stupid killing of the Women for any xyz reason !!!! This is a pre-planned statement she is forced to give. When any other couple runs away they directly go to media and court to Claim their Will and Marriage !! Why this not happened in this case. Even if i buy this story , she did not marry Naveed for Religion , She married for Naveed , Where does this question of Conversion came in between ??? This was an agenda and pre-planned matter which has brought the climax to this point. Why the family of the girl were not allowed during the Hearing in Civil Court …?????????????????Recommend
I am not a fan of girls converting to Islam for marriage purposes. lslam means “Total submission to the will of Allah (the One True God)” So your Islam is for Allah only. You become a muslim (Submit your will to God) for only God. If you convert for a man (or woman) then that is not proper and not according to Islam. Remember that being a muslim is matter of the heart and your heart must accept Islam for Allah’s sake only (not for any human being’s sake)
I however wish Faryal well and welcome her for becoming a muslim. But please sister Faryal, be a muslim for Allah (The lord of this Universe), not for your husband or any other human being.
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@Akthar:
China afraid of Pakistan (and that too because of religion)?? Which world you live in buddy?? And seriously how and where do you come up with these conspiracy theories?? (laughing)
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Confess or die ………. happens all the time in all times!!
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She had to decide either to live as a Muslim or to die as a Hindu with her Family.. So i think she had chosen the best option.
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All of you oblivious people who think she is not being forced to say what she is saying and bashing liberals …this is Pakistan …she is obviously being FORCED to say this. Don’t be so naive.
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The million dollar question is if Pir would have married of the couple without conversion. Law Minister of India Salman Khurshid is married to a Christian and his sister is married to a Hindu without converting. Can any one give me an example from Pakistan please?
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We never demanded a case in Sukkur,our case has been re-opened in karachi high court and supreme court has also taken notice of this case today, rinkle will be presented in high court on 12th march, We want rinkle to be sent to Dar-ul-Aman for atleast a week where she can decide out of pressure.
I am asking those who are very happy on this News !! Is it a hidden fact that feudals in sindh have significant influence on police, courts and everything… you guys always criticise feudals/waderas of sindh , what has happened to u guys now ? thats why we have filed pettition in karachi not in sukkur.
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Staged drama at its best, meeting media after a week in the presence of armed kidnappers, what choice can a girl have?. Religious minorities in Pakistan should immediately get converted to Muslims in order save their wives and daughters. or get out of that country.Thank you.
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This alone proves that she is giving the testimony under pressure as how can the big Pir who has the support of a large mob can have any threat from the relatives of the girl? Why is the Pir even present in the court if it is not to intimidate?
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Another lie. Girl’s maternal uncle who is himself under threat is a threat to the mob? What a joke this Pir is. This poor maternal uncle guy came on a famous show and explained how every member of his family was under threat and was constantly being harassed to back off.
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@Akthar:
I agree .Vibrations born out of explosions are to be heard across the seas.
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@BlackJack:
Simple answer: Hinduism is not the religion of the Book. Only Muslim men can marry a Jew or Christian woman — the Ahle Kitab.
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@godlover your comment will make a good storyline of movie, accept the fact and stop living in the world of assumption and let me tell you a true story we had a hindu neighbour and we invited her to Islam but she said she cannot accept it although she knew that most of the islamic practices are justified and right just because she was afraid that she’ll be thrown out of her community for being Muslim now tell me who is forcing who.??
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What if the boy was hindu and girl muslim. Obviously, he would have been running for his life!
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@Pakistani Hindu:
Bhai thats simply because no one follows their religion in its true spirit .
Cant blame the car if you dont know how to drive!
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Oh and to everyone who is asking why it isnt allowed to convert from Islam, short answer would be Pakistan is an Islamic state and Shariah doesnot allow this. And the long answer would be If Allah said anything we shouldn’t question it, like why do we pray or fast or even give zakat its because Allah commanded us and we are doing it,it about your firm believe in Allah that you act upon His commands. And to hindus,atheist,christians,liberals asking this you have full right to leave this country and live where ever you want but sorry we cannot change our Islam.
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@manjit singh:
Absolutely, then the mob will be on the girl’s parent’s side. This is war of kufr and Islam and no stone can be left un-turned in winning this war.
Funny that so many Hindu girls have suddenly seen the light of ‘Iman’. Why are so many boys not converting from Hinduism to Islam?
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@G. Din:
a great point indeed, but the islamists will ahve a hard time understanding this
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@mj:
Sir, it is still you, a Muslim who is forcing your neighbor to convert by ‘INVITING’ her to embrace Islam. Each and every religion has good qualities that a decent human being will appreciate. I was born Hindu but a like to live my life following 10 commandments of Christianity, it does not mean that I have to become a Christian. Just live and let other people live their life the way they want to. Remember there is no COMPULSION in Islam, and your Invitation was exactly that but disguised as an invitation.
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@Afghan Karachiti:
How could you? Religious fanatic mob has taken over.
Pir sahib had to come with a mob to prove the girl had indeed converted. What a travesty of justice. Sanity and justice has left this society.
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Strange how all these stories follow the same script, whether it be a Copt girl in Egypt, a Christian girl in Pak. Punjab or a Hindu girl in Sind. Girl disappears, family gets upset and makes a hue and cry, Then a couple of days later it is announced that the girl has converted and married of her own free will to a man anybody would consider unsuitable by age or profession (or lack thereof). Initially the news leaves no doubt about abduction/kidnapping and forcible conversion and marriage. Then after a few days the girl appears in a courtroom surrounded by a crowd – but no family member – and announces that she did it of her own free will. Conscience salved, justice delivered.This story has repeated itself so many times in Egypt, Punjab and Sind that it has become utterly predictable. Please see the Net if you don’t believe me. This story, for this reason, is a bit hard to digest.
I am of the opinion that countries generally can get on well with each other if they keep religion out of day-to-day life. Unfortunately very few Pakistanis see things that way and matters are bound to slide further till the country has become a medieval theocracy totally and completely. Your religious types may see this as a blessing but for the minorities it will be only a curse. I wish you luck with your religious loonies. You don’t even realize how badly you need it.Recommend
Sounds fishy!
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i think we got this country on the name of islam , so we should excersized the islamic law here ,
now some people asking that why muslim are not allowed to convert in pak
like india and other countries
pak is not a secular country , and it should nt be
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@ejaz:
We are proud of you. You are a true humane being.all religion preach good things.we should not supress da minorities.Recommend
@ejaz:
We are proud of you. You are a true humane being.all religion preach good things.we should not supress da minorities.
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@Ali:
Poor girl is a minor and should be with her mother and in this company!
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@some one:
what nonsense are you talking?you people are supporting a wrong doing in the eyes of the world!
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Conversion from Islam to another religion is punishable by death – no one can survive this and I know of Pakistanis who have converted to Christianity and had to flee the country. Looks lke the reverse in not true – conversion to Islam is encouraged.
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Not convinced.Too many loose ends.
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My dear friends, who are calling this a conversion out of free will, my questions hope you will answer.
The bearded men around, the MNA and the guards with the weapons show how much the free will is?
The girl spoke of recieving threats from her uncle, all know how peace loving Sindhi Hindus are, and the threats they can give?
The three Hindu drs recently killed in Shikarpur by my Muslim brether of Pakistan, for a MUslim dancing girl, why was that?
What about the other girls like dr Lata where are they?
Muslims very well know that the kidnapping and duress are a reality, however they tend to ignore it infact reject it.
I wish how Muslims would have reacted if Muslim girls in India would have been kidnapped of for matter in the US or Europe.
Muslims are lucky as their enemies are not relegious bigots, otherwise they would have felt it.
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@ Dr Priyanka,
Don’t worry, the facts will be clear in a month and probably on 12th march ( hearing date ). this decision has no importance now because supreme court has taken sou moto notice of this incident, let the girl see her parents for once and get her pressue released , hopefully she will make statement in our favour .
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Many are cheering here for the conversion of a Hindu girl into Islam while singing praise for Islam. Would they still be cheerful if a Pakistani Muslim girl leave Islam and become Hindu to marry a Pakistani Hindu boy?
Can anyone imagine that scenario or such things are just impossible to happen in Pakistan?
Why it is always HIndu girls are converting into Islam for Muslim boys. Why not a single Hindu boy has ever married to a Muslim girl in Pakistan without converting? Is it because Hindus in Pakistan knows their ‘place’ in society and dare not to raise their head against Muslim?
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The girl has publicly said that she converted to Islam out of free will, but these fascists are still commenting about muslims forcing non muslims. Shame on you all!! My advice to you all is to leave Pak as soon as you can, When you hate muslims so much, you should not be living with them. Similarly people from across the border, stop commenting on muslims when you do not have the guts to live in harmony with the muslims.
btw leaving Islam is punishable by death, because Islam is a covenant between a human being and God where the human being submits to the will of God. If the human then leaves this covenant with God, then that is the gravest sin and tantamount to treason with your creator, hence punishable by death. .
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Islam doesn’t teaches its followers to break off relations, Blood relations are non-breakable for the scope of this life, since she didn’t contact her parents this could have been the reason for her parents to believe that she was kidnapped.
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@Sunny:
The problem is the same crowd will accompany her everywhere! Where is her family? See if they are safe or not! The girl may be concerned about her family. These people come across as blackmailers of the worst kind! Why are the courts not addressing this issue properly. Where are the social workers. Why dont they take custody of this girl as she is not a major. In India the girl would be returned to her parents if she was so young. She is definitely giving statements UNDER DURESS! But we cannot expect justice for Hindus in your country! You can expect in Saudi Arabia but not in Pakistan. My God what a neighbour we have! They are setting a nice example of themselves all over the world!
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If that guy truly loved her that he would have married Rinkle not Faryal. Period.
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@ex-gujju call it what you want, it will not change my intention, the problem with your community is that you assume everything without looking at the real picture, we Muslims never forced anyone infact forced convert is not even considered a Muslim in our faith. You and fellow hindus not accepting the fact that she converted on her will are nothing but bunch of insecure people who will call every muslim standing around you a terrorist because you are afraid that one day or another someone from your family might convert in his existence…I cant help you but pray that May Allah guide you to right path. PEACE.
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I had earlier said no one is being suppressed…Infact They are the Muslims in Pakistan who are criticized,blamed & ridiculed by our Media, Non-Muslims both in & out of Pakistan, & our so called liberals & human right associations…!!
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Pakistan should take much better care of the few Hindus that are left. They are the original inhabitants of the land, sons of the soil. They are blood relatives of many Muslims who converted many years ago. They have equal right to live in the land of their forefathers and practice there religion freely. There is no compulsion in religion.
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when i was in 1styear. i learnt is islamic education that it is written in Quran Sharif that every Muslims Should give rights to the NOn-MUslims And in Quran Sharif there are alots of rights of Non-MUslims
so my dear Muslims why r u not giving us our rights
why??????????????????
We HAve full right to live in our religion peacefully so iam requesting all of u”live and let live us peacefully in our religion”
Dont Force us BEcause If u will will force us to convert in Islam then Allah will also Be angry With u
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thank God, the liberal extremists (amongst indians) have been quick on passing judgements and continued their crusade of how pakistan doesnt care of its minorties etc etc
-slap- in- the-face. lol
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@ProudPakistani:
@mj:
Very well said….. These guys will never be satisfied…. So no need and simply ignore them…..I saw a clip of Hindus celebrating holi today in Karachi on geo and thought how ignorant are the Indians about the lives of Hindus in pakistan….
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cant believe even after this slap to the face of the liberal extremists/indians, they are still complaining here and creating new scenarios and problems. JUST REALISE YOUR WRONG.
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“Faryal said she was a Muslim girl and therefore had nothing to do with her parents”
Does religion make you disown your own parents if they are of a different religion? I know that many people have disowned their own culture and ancestors because of religion. A strange world indeed.
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@umer:
Going back to stone age and dressing a woman in a burqa is not a slap on our faces! The fact of the matter is a teenager was kidnapped by a gang [big mob in fact] of thugs who accompany her whenever she goes to court. Why are they not calling the family of the girl. We dont create scenarios. You are the ones! The whole world knows you are on a mission to destroy humanity, others beliefs, values and you are a danger to other’s existence. You are wrong. I am glad BBC reported this. Muqabla jab baraabar wale me ho tab mazaa aata hai! Kidnapping a child of 17 yrs is a cowardly, beastly, unethical, wrong, spiteful and cheapest of cheap acts which needs to be condemned on an international platform!! I am glad ET is reporting this!!
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@umer:
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@Aneel:
Every day many Muslims are kidnapped and abducted raped killed in Pakistan. Labeling it as Hindu centric is not justifiable
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@HMM very right you hit the nail on head.
DROP SCENE
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I wonder how people would react if Mr. Naveed Shah were to convert to Hinduism in order to marry Rinkle
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@dr priyanka,other hindus,liberals calling bearded man around him part of MOB(glad you didnt used your cliché TERRORISTS), explains everything. A big LOL@ u people.
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Free will – yeah, sure. Why not?
Millions before her did that too. Not for nothing Hindu population has come down to less than 2% in Pakistan. Free will, exercised in a free country, where there is so much scope for religious choice!
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@Some one,
She hasn’t become muslim for submission to Allah., she has acted to be a muslim to save her life. What is sweeter than that? Atleast now she can breath and have a life.
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I hope she is not converted by force as the cases had been observed in interior Sindh
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I only hope that the Hindu community on both sides of the border would need to reconsider their rhetoric of forced conversions of Hindus in the region to spread Islam by force. If there was any truth in it then there would have been no Hindu left ( least not in Majority ) in the subcontinent, just like there was no Muslim left in Spain at the time of Christian invasion.
Islam DOES NOT ALLOW any forced conversions. Just need to recognize the fact.
If some individuals are using force to convert then it is not a conversion. It is as simple as that.
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I’m not here to fight whether she was forced to convert against her will or converted with her consent…
Just a few questions
1.Why does she need to convert to Islam or the boy needs to convert to Hinduism?? When they were in love with each other,they didnt care which religion they came from…suddenly,why should anyone of them convert to marry???
I’ve personally known many friends who have married with their parents consent but havent converted at all…
They say her age is 17….which is below the legal age…How come her marriage is valid and how can she take decision with her parent’s consent??
Marriage with an underage is a crime and punishable by prison sentence..How come no case is booked against the boy or his family for marrying a minor???
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Well how about his one converting to other religion ?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2112136/Sabatina-James-My-mother-wants-dead-I-avoided-honour-killing.html
Will the society in Pakistan accept something like this if it happens in Pakistan ?
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Hindsight bias is a wonderful thing, isn’t it? Maybe, in this one case, this girl converted of her own free will, however, there are many Hindus of Pakistan who are missing, have been tortured and raped just to have them converted to Islam. When this news broke out, most of us feared the worst possible scenario. Why? Not because we are all some evil foreign agents seeking to destabilize the country but because we know how much the minority suffers in Pakistan. We have not turned a blind eye to it yet.
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@Naveed Baloch:
How can you say that? She is a teenager and not an adult. In most civilized countries, it would be considered child rape and abduction. She could have been forced by her captors to say what she said in the court. Haven’t you seen witnesses refuse to tell the truth in Pakistan when terrorists are tried?
The only way to ascertain the truth is to let a human rights agency take her away from her captors and provided safety and security and then ask her to state the truth of what really happened. Or, since she is a teenager, she should be handed over to her parents and allow a cooing period of six months to ascertain the truth.
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I hope she doesnt become an apostate….or she’s in trouble!
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Look at all the comments from the muslims, ISLAM IS THE BEST RELIGION AND ISLAM IS THE RIGHT PATH. this is exactly the reason why there will never be freedom and tolerance for minorities. If Pakistani muslims thinks their religion is superior to other religion and following path of islam is the right track, well thats will obviously leave little room for other religion! a muslim can marry any non-muslim, but a non-muslim is not allowed to marry a muslim, unless he/she convert to the islam! and islam is a religion of peace, tolerance and humanity??????
I wonder, if a muslim girl would have married a non-muslim boy and the boy didn’t convert to the islam, would u guys have accepted is? I dont think so, thats why Pakistan will never be a country that provide equall rights to minorities. PERIOD!
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LATEST UPDATE:- Pakistan’s Supreme Court today ordered the police in Sindh province to take steps for the early recovery of Hindu girls who had been kidnapped, court officials said. The Court directed Inspector General of Police Sindh to take all necessary steps for effecting recovery of the three girls of the Hindu community and produce them before the court on the next date of hearing on March 26.
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@mj:
@Gilani:
@HMM:
@HMM: You ask why would anyone force conversion. It is because Pakistanis who do such acts feel themselves inferior and this inferiority complex makes them act insane. This is also the reason for spread of terrorism in Pakistan. Try this type of conversion on a Christian girl from USA or a Jew. BTW, conversions happen in other muslim countries also but not in such brutal way, and not in such a large scale. Pakistanis with this attitude feel themselves inferior as they have nothing else to show. This is the reason such Pakistanis claim to belong to the larger group of Muslims so that they can claim something. This is the reason even Arabs do not respect Pakistanis. Try marrying an Arab Muslim Girl in their country. They would cut off the offending organ. Hasan Nisar said in a recent TV debate that if a Pakistani muslim tries to marry an Arab girl, they would spit on the Pakistani’s face. Watch Bolta Pakistan Talk show – March 7, 2012. Kuwait refuses family visas for Pakistanis but Indians, both Muslims and Non-muslims are given visas to bring their families. I have lived in the Middle East for many years and have seen Muslims and Non-Muslims from India get better respect than Muslims from Pakistan. Just watch how long it takes for a Pakistani Muslim in the immigration line at their airports as compared muslims and non-muslims from India. This is the same in every Muslim country from Malaysia to the Middle East and Africa. Pakistanis with such mind-set are bringing bad name to all Muslims throughout the world. Religion, any Religion, is the easiest thing to learn and talk or preach, but no so easy to practice. Any lame, ignorant and illiterate can learn a religion but cannot practice it in the true sense as he cannot comprehend the true teachings of the religion as it takes knowledge and wisdom to understand.
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If it is out of free will then our best wishes to the happy couple. But, from any stretch of imagination, it does not really look like an open and shut case. The sequence of events, girls early statement and now her claim that she doesnt want anything to do with her parents seems that she is under duress with a possible life threat to her and to her parents.
Increasing the number of religious followers by one person or twenty per month is not going to do much justice to the numbers of a religion being followed by 1.3 billion. But it does tear a heart apart to see a child being snatched away and a teenager being condemned to live a life of second rate citizen.
I hope humanity prevails and people are able to treat fellow human beings as equals and not as objects to be trampled upon and won over as trophies.
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Bad day for Liberal fascists and their indian counterparts
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Shame on the Pakistanis trying to defend the kidnapping of a minor girl. Just think before you post, if this is your daughter how will you feel?. Chest thumping and ‘LOL’ ing makes you wonder whether we are in 7th century, these fools trying to defend a crime and destroying their nation without knowing this will come and bite in the back in a while. Remember there only so much Hindu and Christian girls are left in Pakistan, once they are converted these lunatics will come for your daughters and wives, shame on you people.
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Anyone should be permitted to convert to or from any faith. Who disagrees with this?
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I avoided reading this very,very sad drama.It is pathos of Greek tragedy.Only whose children are caught in this sad mess can really feel and understand this.If the shoe was in other feet ,they will understand this.A 17(MINOR) year old,all kidnapped,in align custody,surround by fearsome people with no familiar face around,do you need to be rocket scientist to understand,if not feel her plight?I have lost all my faith slowly in the humanity of Pakistani people,they are bend upon even not allowing 3% minority any peace,first of all in any civilized country she is minor and would be returned her parent,what is ,is there no no social workers in Pakistan?,who can allow this poor girl,justice without duress?is it too much to expect from Pakistan?How can we have meaning full relation and trade when they do not even respect helpless people!.Allah save Pakistan,this from a guy who has no malice for any one.Just use common sense,helpless and weak need our help and support.DO NOT DO BAD ACT THERE ARE CAUSE AND EFFECT FOR ALL OUR ACTIONS,JUST BELIEVING IN THE MERCY OF ALLAH IS NOT ENOUGH ,WHEN WE BREAK HIS LAW THINK AND REFLECT.We will have to answer some time.Very sad Dr Priyanka,your logic and reasoning won’t work here.
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I can visualize the conservative Muslim going over gaga on a 17-year old kid’s conversion to Islam. The greatest religion of all. All the non-muslims will eventually become muslim. And so on. Now, just look around and see how many of these muslims are killing other muslims including children and women. What one has to say there?
If the ministers and leaders don’t have guts to speak against the mob, then do you really expect a kid, that too from minority, to speak up? Just think about it.
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@Sid:
You can’t convert such as overwhelming majority by force. If Muslims had tried it there would have been so much bloodshed that Muslims would be extinct. Muslims did good not to push Hindus too much and let them be.
As for Spain Tariq Bin Ziad forced his way into Spain and Christians forced Muslims back in the end. Where is the problem in it? If you do it unto others, others can do it unto you too.
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Would Pakistanis give the same right to the converts from Islam to other religions? [Equality]
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When Tony Blair sister embraced islam and Tony was cool about it I don’t know why some one would be unhappy about this girl embracing islam, islam has never spread by sword but by word of mouth and polite and humble invitation and preachings. Mashallah this news is so encouraging and nice to hear. May Allah be with this little girl in her future life and bless her with happiness in her married life.
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Does it work other way around too? If a Muslim converted to another religion, what would happen to him/her?
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Poor girl is in love with this boy and vice versa! If she was a muslim she would have converted to hindu to be with him. Let them share their lives together. And all of you nosy people go get a life of your own! Leave them the ** alone people!
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@ BlackJack & Uzair
Islam allows Musilms to marry marry Christians and Jews (the believers) but that should be practiced in extreme cases only. But Muslims are not allowed to marry those from man-made religions like Hinduism, Bhudism etc. You can verify it from some authentic religious source……
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Those here who want to convert from Islam to some other religion should do it.. Why are you bashing Islam? Why are you pulling the discussion to no end?
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@ SID
If hindus were as fanitical as christian inquisitors, there would be no Islam in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh today and this area would have bveen prosperous. Just the fact that Hindus are tolerant, muslims are using this as our weakness- to exploit us.
Islam ruled most of north India, but with help from many rajput kingdoms, whitout which no mughal empre would have been safe.
There were better warriors from Indian sub-continent like Marathas, Sikhs, Dogras etc, which makes conversion of total sub-continent to Islam impossible. Hinduism is not a fanatical religion. We respect all other religions. We do not claim our gods are only gods. Look at the state of malaysia and Indonesia.
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i wonder if pakistanis will allow her to reconvert to Hinduisum… and to top it … what will happen if the Husband also converts with her … Can anybody imagine …
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who knows the truth, otherwise she may be brutally tortured or killed by these fanatics.
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