'Forced conversion': Teen insists she converted of own free will
Faryal said that she had converted to Islam and had married Naveed Shah of her own free will, and that nobody had pressurised her into this. Reading out the Kalma-e-Tayyaba, Faryal said she was a Muslim girl and therefore had nothing to do with her parents.
Faryal (Rinkle Kumari) and her husband Naveed Shah were produced in front of the Sindh High Court (SHC) Sukkur bench on Thursday morning amid tight security.
The couple was escorted by SSP Ghotki Pir Mohammad Shah along with a heavy contingent of police. Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) MNA Mian Abdul Haq of Bharchoondi Sharif, his son Mian Mohammad Aslam and a large number of their followers were also present.
The couple through their lawyer, Achar Gabole, had filed a constitutional petition stating that their lives were under threat from the relatives of the girl, who had been issuing threats of dire consequences.
Answering a question on threats to their lives, she said, “Our lives are under threat from my maternal uncle Raj Kumar”. She once again made it clear that she was a Muslim and wanted to live with her husband Naveed Shah.
Advocate Mohammad Murad Lund, who was representing Faryal’s grandfather Manohar Lal, told The Express Tribune that the single bench comprising of Justice Ahmed Ali Shaikh without recording the statement of the girl had ordered SSP Ghotki to provide protection to the couple and ensure that they are produced before the SHC chief justice in Karachi on March 12.
Advocate Mohammad Murad Lund kept on insisting that, the girl was under pressure due to the presence of a large number of Bharchoondi Sharif followers. He said everything will become “crystal clear” in Karachi, as the girl would be able to record her statement in a tension free atmosphere.
Mian Mohammad Aslam of Bharchoondi Sharif said that everyone had seen that Faryal was neither under pressure and had not said a word against the Pirs. “Rather she gave a statement against her own maternal uncle who is threatening to kill her.”
He said his father, PPP MNA Mian Abdul Haq had also come to the court because the girl’s parents had requested that they wanted to meet their daughter, but they didn’t come to see her.
Aslam said when the couple had come to Dargah Bharchoondi Sharif on February 24, Faryal had spoken to her parents on his instructions and had told them that she had come there to convert to Islam and marry Naveed Shah.
“I personally requested them to come over and meet their daughter to see for themselves that she was not under pressure, but they didn’t’ come,” Mian Aslam said.
He once again said that neither Islam nor the law of the land allowed forced conversion.
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@Desraj Nair:
Means you are revenging the muslims? You have nt fallen in love with a girl.. but instead you want to go around and look for a muslim girl and convert her?
you are a sick man and should be ashamed of yourself..
the truth is what this article has stated, and now sit and cry, wail, and shout!! lol
why have hindus stopped crying? why does she need police protection? Is it that hindus want to kill them?
if she accept islam on her own will then why keep the renkal far to her parents , why not meet them with his daughter , why many gun mans are around renkal any time
I wonder why only "Hindu" girls of marriageable age get converted, why not "Hindu" boys as well?
@Pakistani Hindu:
Iam a hindu living in America. I want you to find a muslim bride and covert her to hinduism and show them a pth to salvation!
@Naveed Baloch:
Why are the muslims not allow to convert to other religions but OK to forcibly convert to Islam? If conversion from Islam to other religion is blasphemy and apostacy, then coversion to Islam form Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Christianity is apostacy in itself. Then all the muslims should revert back to their ancestors' religions
how come hindu men arent converting only marriageable young-girls http://tribune.com.pk/story/348364/how-come-hindu-men-arent-converting-only-marriageable-young-girls/
http://tribune.com.pk/story/348364/how-come-hindu-men-arent-converting-only-marriageable-young-girls/
Why media keeps insisting that it was forced conversion???
@Jan . what planet are you and what have you been reading….
The same planet on which A and B happened. And yes, I have been reading A and B too. Where have you been?
A. http://tribune.com.pk/story/288981/three-hindu-doctors-gunned-down-on-eid-sindh-observes-mourning/ B. http://tribune.com.pk/story/348003/honour-killing-eloped-couple-on-the-run-after-jirga-orders-execution/
@Insaniyat: To correct your assumption.. she and her husband has been summoned by the supreme court... and court has given them protective cusdody.. what planet are you and what have you been reading....
How would each of you respond if the boy was Hindu and girl a Muslim?
@Ellie Khan
lame argument! Its the duty of every Pakistani to take care of your countrymen, irrespective what his or her religion is! And ET is doing nothing then only publicising news/incident that happened. Nothing wrong wit that! u are a classic example of Pakistani Muslim who dont want to hear or see any wrong doing of your muslim brothers!
Liberals are not making out issues of it, its called standing up for human rights, something that is unknown to muslims! What if a muslim girl convert to other religion, wont u guys make an issue out of it? u will go even more ahead, u will justify the killing and the fatwa against the person!
Please go through the following news items
A. http://tribune.com.pk/story/288981/three-hindu-doctors-gunned-down-on-eid-sindh-observes-mourning/
B. http://tribune.com.pk/story/348003/honour-killing-eloped-couple-on-the-run-after-jirga-orders-execution/
The first was a reaction to a Girl from a different community falling in love with a Hindu boy. The second came about as a girl of a particular community married a boy of the same community out of her own 'Free Will'.
In this backdrop I feel that Pakistanis support for the underage Rinkal Kumar's right to marry out of her 'Free Will' is remarkable.I am sure Hindu girls in Pakistan are more 'Empowered' than other girls.
Moderator ET- The links are to news itens already in the public domain and on this very site. And I have been careful in not naming those who must not be named. I hope you are happy now.
Many muslims here who defend the girl has been converted out of free will, i have questions for them (and i know no muslim dare to answer this question) what IF a muslim girl eloped with a hindu boy and the hindu boy didn't convert, how would u muslim response then? What if she leave Islam and convert to other religion, is she allowed to be alive or should she be punished with a death penalty according to the religion of "tolerance and peace"?
Read this and then read the bews below also. That will tell the hypocratic face of these ' Mahsllah - all good' talking people.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/348036/christianity-to-islam-and-back-60-year-old-woman-disgraced-for-reconversion/
But remember there time is up now, it is just a matter of time.
@Pakistaniat
Chennai: Four Hindu girls, who wanted to convert themselves to Islam, today moved the Madras High Court for police protection,
Now, Compare this. The poor lady did not even get to reach a court of law for justice. And this in a country that keeps on parroting 'There is no Compulsion in Religion'. ROFL
http://tribune.com.pk/story/348036/christianity-to-islam-and-back-60-year-old-woman-disgraced-for-reconversion/
@Pakistaniat:
You have quoted a five years old tale & you may have no clue about how the story ended and how the truth emerged finally. However,if the point made is to highlight the universal nature of prejudice, even if degrees vary, one should have no quarrel with your intentions.
Pakistan's newspaper more reliable than BBC... Way to go Pakistan!!
Its hard to blame the girl. Conversion from a religion that is lawfully and constitutionally discriminated against in a country where the law itself reduces them to 2nd or 3rd class citizens, to the religion favoured by the state , is a survival mechanism. Hindu population in West Pakistan, from 20% to 1% in just 65 years , is a story unmatched in any part of the world , in any religion.
@Dr Priyanka: "The fact of the matter is"
And why is this the fact of the matter... you are making assumptions without ant bases whatsoever... our media is free enough to report if something is fishy... so Dr sb, let it go... koi baat nahin... it happens... take a chill pill....
@mj: Very well said Mj.... but not to worry... Pakistani is practice is fighting against the whole of the world.... so the indians on this board is just a piece of cake... same comments again and again...
This is an interesting news for my indian friends.... Forced conversions in India... is it... lol
Chennai: Four Hindu girls, who wanted to convert themselves to Islam, today moved the Madras High Court for police protection, alleging that their parents and others were opposed to it and had threatened them with dire consequences if they went ahead with the move.
Justice K Mohanram, before whom the petition filed by K Lokeshwari, K Ambika, K Sharmila and M Kalaiselvi, came up for hearing, adjourned it to November 22.
The Judge orally directed the girls to be present in the court on that day and file individual affidavits narrating the threat perception.
The girls, hailing from Thanjavur District, submitted that they were majors. Their area was a Muslim dominated area. Because of their long and continous interaction with the Muslims, they have understood Islam and recognised the nobleness of Islam. So, they wanted to covert to Islam.
They took the decision to convert without any inducement or coercion from any one and came to the city on November 7 last for the purpose.
their parents threatened them with dire consequences, they submitted.
Their parents also lodged a complaint with police in Thanjavur as if they were forcibly taken out for some illegal purpose by a doctor, the girls said.
Some of the political parties there also announced protests and bandh. The conduct of their parents and the political parties created an apprehension that they were not safe, they submitted.
@zoro: And you are just bitter about it... keep weeping....
@Nomi: @justice denied: If a muslim girl decides to marry a indian guy, I wouldnt have a problem... in fact one of my hindu friend is married to muslim girl...
The hindu guys have just gone bersek and are raising various scenarios... what if??
Accept it... its ok to accept you are wrong....
Well summed up, is it?? No, ET thinks its not and the Ultra-Liberals would even make issues out of this too, and agreed, ET is more becoming a platform for Anti-Pakistan crap...
Those who believe that conversion is of free will... Then how come only female teenagers of minority community are converted with a very rare incident of male hindu or christian converted same way while marrying a muslim girl....... Looks Islamic spell only works on minority female teenagers...:-) its not conversion....its a matter of rape and endorsing it on religious grounds.
I wonder why a Hindu girl has to marry for converting to Islam, Can't she convert and stay single at the same time? Doesn't it sound strange to you guys who think that there is no pressure or threat involved in cases like these, even though everyone of us know that the people who are allegedly involved in kidnapping the girl and threatening her family were present when Rinkal/Faryal was produced before the court. Why can't we Pakistanis think as true Muslims? Islam does not need forced conversions to flourish, history has already proved this.
@Injustice and all in favor, she is under threat from her family, her uncle or others may kill her. How can her husband hand her over to the family? Let the dust settle and if her family is not so hostile, she should mend with them. No muslim girl leaves the parents.
Oh please we know how its turning out to be... Pakistani Muslims vs the whole world, now tell me who is minority???
can anyone believe that, "Her life is under threat by her Uncle". whereas i think opposite that "her uncle's life is under threat by so called Pirs".
Looking at the tolerance of Muslims, I want to marry a young, Pakistani Muslim girl and convert her
I do not understand. Suddenly, these hordes of so called keyboard Islamic warriors have sprung up lambasting many sensible people. Remember a true secular mind would never ever blame a religion, on the contrary he/she would hold people accountable.
Islam is not to be blamed. Its like a textbook taught in a class of students some of who do well while others fail. If this girl is happy, good enough. But does it take away the problem of forced conversions. No.
By the way, what would our society do if a muslim girl had eloped with a non muslim?
We need to be very fair to everyone.
I have only one request to all those who are in favour of naveed. just reverse the scenerio put a muslim girl in place of hindu girl and hindu boy in place of muslim girl. and the rest of scenerio would be same. what will be your reaction??? you so called liberals?
She is a minor. At best she should have been allowed a safe and pressure free enivronment of Non sectarian away from "A large number of Mullah followers". A judge who preceives she is not under duress may be Muslim judge but not a human being.
Whole episode is not an insult and slap on Hindu community but on those who proclaim Islam is a tolerant of Hindus.
Thank you Umer.
Brother, I have been reading all of your posts - you have maintained a logical mind and a humane heart in the midst of a country simmering in ideological madness. People like you are rare and genuine. You are worth your weight in gold.
who knows the truth, otherwise she may be brutally tortured or killed by these fanatics.
@ SID
If hindus were as fanitical as christian inquisitors, there would be no Islam in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh today and this area would have bveen prosperous. Just the fact that Hindus are tolerant, muslims are using this as our weakness- to exploit us.
Islam ruled most of north India, but with help from many rajput kingdoms, whitout which no mughal empre would have been safe.
There were better warriors from Indian sub-continent like Marathas, Sikhs, Dogras etc, which makes conversion of total sub-continent to Islam impossible. Hinduism is not a fanatical religion. We respect all other religions. We do not claim our gods are only gods. Look at the state of malaysia and Indonesia.
Those here who want to convert from Islam to some other religion should do it.. Why are you bashing Islam? Why are you pulling the discussion to no end?
@ BlackJack & Uzair
Islam allows Musilms to marry marry Christians and Jews (the believers) but that should be practiced in extreme cases only. But Muslims are not allowed to marry those from man-made religions like Hinduism, Bhudism etc. You can verify it from some authentic religious source......
Poor girl is in love with this boy and vice versa! If she was a muslim she would have converted to hindu to be with him. Let them share their lives together. And all of you nosy people go get a life of your own! Leave them the ** alone people!
Does it work other way around too? If a Muslim converted to another religion, what would happen to him/her?
When Tony Blair sister embraced islam and Tony was cool about it I don’t know why some one would be unhappy about this girl embracing islam, islam has never spread by sword but by word of mouth and polite and humble invitation and preachings. Mashallah this news is so encouraging and nice to hear. May Allah be with this little girl in her future life and bless her with happiness in her married life.
Would Pakistanis give the same right to the converts from Islam to other religions? [Equality]
@Sid:
You can’t convert such as overwhelming majority by force. If Muslims had tried it there would have been so much bloodshed that Muslims would be extinct. Muslims did good not to push Hindus too much and let them be.
As for Spain Tariq Bin Ziad forced his way into Spain and Christians forced Muslims back in the end. Where is the problem in it? If you do it unto others, others can do it unto you too.
I can visualize the conservative Muslim going over gaga on a 17-year old kid's conversion to Islam. The greatest religion of all. All the non-muslims will eventually become muslim. And so on. Now, just look around and see how many of these muslims are killing other muslims including children and women. What one has to say there?
If the ministers and leaders don't have guts to speak against the mob, then do you really expect a kid, that too from minority, to speak up? Just think about it.
I avoided reading this very,very sad drama.It is pathos of Greek tragedy.Only whose children are caught in this sad mess can really feel and understand this.If the shoe was in other feet ,they will understand this.A 17(MINOR) year old,all kidnapped,in align custody,surround by fearsome people with no familiar face around,do you need to be rocket scientist to understand,if not feel her plight?I have lost all my faith slowly in the humanity of Pakistani people,they are bend upon even not allowing 3% minority any peace,first of all in any civilized country she is minor and would be returned her parent,what is ,is there no no social workers in Pakistan?,who can allow this poor girl,justice without duress?is it too much to expect from Pakistan?How can we have meaning full relation and trade when they do not even respect helpless people!.Allah save Pakistan,this from a guy who has no malice for any one.Just use common sense,helpless and weak need our help and support.DO NOT DO BAD ACT THERE ARE CAUSE AND EFFECT FOR ALL OUR ACTIONS,JUST BELIEVING IN THE MERCY OF ALLAH IS NOT ENOUGH ,WHEN WE BREAK HIS LAW THINK AND REFLECT.We will have to answer some time.Very sad Dr Priyanka,your logic and reasoning won't work here.
Anyone should be permitted to convert to or from any faith. Who disagrees with this?
Shame on the Pakistanis trying to defend the kidnapping of a minor girl. Just think before you post, if this is your daughter how will you feel?. Chest thumping and 'LOL' ing makes you wonder whether we are in 7th century, these fools trying to defend a crime and destroying their nation without knowing this will come and bite in the back in a while. Remember there only so much Hindu and Christian girls are left in Pakistan, once they are converted these lunatics will come for your daughters and wives, shame on you people.
Bad day for Liberal fascists and their indian counterparts
If it is out of free will then our best wishes to the happy couple. But, from any stretch of imagination, it does not really look like an open and shut case. The sequence of events, girls early statement and now her claim that she doesnt want anything to do with her parents seems that she is under duress with a possible life threat to her and to her parents. Increasing the number of religious followers by one person or twenty per month is not going to do much justice to the numbers of a religion being followed by 1.3 billion. But it does tear a heart apart to see a child being snatched away and a teenager being condemned to live a life of second rate citizen. I hope humanity prevails and people are able to treat fellow human beings as equals and not as objects to be trampled upon and won over as trophies.
LATEST UPDATE:- Pakistan's Supreme Court today ordered the police in Sindh province to take steps for the early recovery of Hindu girls who had been kidnapped, court officials said. The Court directed Inspector General of Police Sindh to take all necessary steps for effecting recovery of the three girls of the Hindu community and produce them before the court on the next date of hearing on March 26.
Look at all the comments from the muslims, ISLAM IS THE BEST RELIGION AND ISLAM IS THE RIGHT PATH. this is exactly the reason why there will never be freedom and tolerance for minorities. If Pakistani muslims thinks their religion is superior to other religion and following path of islam is the right track, well thats will obviously leave little room for other religion! a muslim can marry any non-muslim, but a non-muslim is not allowed to marry a muslim, unless he/she convert to the islam! and islam is a religion of peace, tolerance and humanity??????
I wonder, if a muslim girl would have married a non-muslim boy and the boy didn't convert to the islam, would u guys have accepted is? I dont think so, thats why Pakistan will never be a country that provide equall rights to minorities. PERIOD!
I hope she doesnt become an apostate....or she's in trouble!
@Naveed Baloch:
How can you say that? She is a teenager and not an adult. In most civilized countries, it would be considered child rape and abduction. She could have been forced by her captors to say what she said in the court. Haven't you seen witnesses refuse to tell the truth in Pakistan when terrorists are tried?
The only way to ascertain the truth is to let a human rights agency take her away from her captors and provided safety and security and then ask her to state the truth of what really happened. Or, since she is a teenager, she should be handed over to her parents and allow a cooing period of six months to ascertain the truth.
Hindsight bias is a wonderful thing, isn't it? Maybe, in this one case, this girl converted of her own free will, however, there are many Hindus of Pakistan who are missing, have been tortured and raped just to have them converted to Islam. When this news broke out, most of us feared the worst possible scenario. Why? Not because we are all some evil foreign agents seeking to destabilize the country but because we know how much the minority suffers in Pakistan. We have not turned a blind eye to it yet.
Well how about his one converting to other religion ? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2112136/Sabatina-James-My-mother-wants-dead-I-avoided-honour-killing.html Will the society in Pakistan accept something like this if it happens in Pakistan ?
I'm not here to fight whether she was forced to convert against her will or converted with her consent... Just a few questions 1.Why does she need to convert to Islam or the boy needs to convert to Hinduism?? When they were in love with each other,they didnt care which religion they came from...suddenly,why should anyone of them convert to marry??? I've personally known many friends who have married with their parents consent but havent converted at all...
They say her age is 17....which is below the legal age...How come her marriage is valid and how can she take decision with her parent's consent?? Marriage with an underage is a crime and punishable by prison sentence..How come no case is booked against the boy or his family for marrying a minor???I only hope that the Hindu community on both sides of the border would need to reconsider their rhetoric of forced conversions of Hindus in the region to spread Islam by force. If there was any truth in it then there would have been no Hindu left ( least not in Majority ) in the subcontinent, just like there was no Muslim left in Spain at the time of Christian invasion.
Islam DOES NOT ALLOW any forced conversions. Just need to recognize the fact.
If some individuals are using force to convert then it is not a conversion. It is as simple as that.
I hope she is not converted by force as the cases had been observed in interior Sindh
@Some one, She hasn't become muslim for submission to Allah., she has acted to be a muslim to save her life. What is sweeter than that? Atleast now she can breath and have a life.
Free will - yeah, sure. Why not?
Millions before her did that too. Not for nothing Hindu population has come down to less than 2% in Pakistan. Free will, exercised in a free country, where there is so much scope for religious choice!
@dr priyanka,other hindus,liberals calling bearded man around him part of MOB(glad you didnt used your cliché TERRORISTS), explains everything. A big LOL@ u people.
I wonder how people would react if Mr. Naveed Shah were to convert to Hinduism in order to marry Rinkle
@HMM very right you hit the nail on head.
DROP SCENE
@Aneel: Every day many Muslims are kidnapped and abducted raped killed in Pakistan. Labeling it as Hindu centric is not justifiable
@umer:
@umer: Going back to stone age and dressing a woman in a burqa is not a slap on our faces! The fact of the matter is a teenager was kidnapped by a gang [big mob in fact] of thugs who accompany her whenever she goes to court. Why are they not calling the family of the girl. We dont create scenarios. You are the ones! The whole world knows you are on a mission to destroy humanity, others beliefs, values and you are a danger to other's existence. You are wrong. I am glad BBC reported this. Muqabla jab baraabar wale me ho tab mazaa aata hai! Kidnapping a child of 17 yrs is a cowardly, beastly, unethical, wrong, spiteful and cheapest of cheap acts which needs to be condemned on an international platform!! I am glad ET is reporting this!!
"Faryal said she was a Muslim girl and therefore had nothing to do with her parents"
Does religion make you disown your own parents if they are of a different religion? I know that many people have disowned their own culture and ancestors because of religion. A strange world indeed.
cant believe even after this slap to the face of the liberal extremists/indians, they are still complaining here and creating new scenarios and problems. JUST REALISE YOUR WRONG.
thank God, the liberal extremists (amongst indians) have been quick on passing judgements and continued their crusade of how pakistan doesnt care of its minorties etc etc -slap- in- the-face. lol
@ProudPakistani: @mj: Very well said..... These guys will never be satisfied.... So no need and simply ignore them.....I saw a clip of Hindus celebrating holi today in Karachi on geo and thought how ignorant are the Indians about the lives of Hindus in pakistan....
Pakistan should take much better care of the few Hindus that are left. They are the original inhabitants of the land, sons of the soil. They are blood relatives of many Muslims who converted many years ago. They have equal right to live in the land of their forefathers and practice there religion freely. There is no compulsion in religion.
I had earlier said no one is being suppressed...Infact They are the Muslims in Pakistan who are criticized,blamed & ridiculed by our Media, Non-Muslims both in & out of Pakistan, & our so called liberals & human right associations...!!
@ex-gujju call it what you want, it will not change my intention, the problem with your community is that you assume everything without looking at the real picture, we Muslims never forced anyone infact forced convert is not even considered a Muslim in our faith. You and fellow hindus not accepting the fact that she converted on her will are nothing but bunch of insecure people who will call every muslim standing around you a terrorist because you are afraid that one day or another someone from your family might convert in his existence...I cant help you but pray that May Allah guide you to right path. PEACE.
If that guy truly loved her that he would have married Rinkle not Faryal. Period.
@Sunny: The problem is the same crowd will accompany her everywhere! Where is her family? See if they are safe or not! The girl may be concerned about her family. These people come across as blackmailers of the worst kind! Why are the courts not addressing this issue properly. Where are the social workers. Why dont they take custody of this girl as she is not a major. In India the girl would be returned to her parents if she was so young. She is definitely giving statements UNDER DURESS! But we cannot expect justice for Hindus in your country! You can expect in Saudi Arabia but not in Pakistan. My God what a neighbour we have! They are setting a nice example of themselves all over the world!
Islam doesn't teaches its followers to break off relations, Blood relations are non-breakable for the scope of this life, since she didn't contact her parents this could have been the reason for her parents to believe that she was kidnapped.
The girl has publicly said that she converted to Islam out of free will, but these fascists are still commenting about muslims forcing non muslims. Shame on you all!! My advice to you all is to leave Pak as soon as you can, When you hate muslims so much, you should not be living with them. Similarly people from across the border, stop commenting on muslims when you do not have the guts to live in harmony with the muslims.
btw leaving Islam is punishable by death, because Islam is a covenant between a human being and God where the human being submits to the will of God. If the human then leaves this covenant with God, then that is the gravest sin and tantamount to treason with your creator, hence punishable by death. .
Many are cheering here for the conversion of a Hindu girl into Islam while singing praise for Islam. Would they still be cheerful if a Pakistani Muslim girl leave Islam and become Hindu to marry a Pakistani Hindu boy?
Can anyone imagine that scenario or such things are just impossible to happen in Pakistan?
Why it is always HIndu girls are converting into Islam for Muslim boys. Why not a single Hindu boy has ever married to a Muslim girl in Pakistan without converting? Is it because Hindus in Pakistan knows their 'place' in society and dare not to raise their head against Muslim?
@ Dr Priyanka,
Don't worry, the facts will be clear in a month and probably on 12th march ( hearing date ). this decision has no importance now because supreme court has taken sou moto notice of this incident, let the girl see her parents for once and get her pressue released , hopefully she will make statement in our favour .
My dear friends, who are calling this a conversion out of free will, my questions hope you will answer. The bearded men around, the MNA and the guards with the weapons show how much the free will is? The girl spoke of recieving threats from her uncle, all know how peace loving Sindhi Hindus are, and the threats they can give? The three Hindu drs recently killed in Shikarpur by my Muslim brether of Pakistan, for a MUslim dancing girl, why was that? What about the other girls like dr Lata where are they? Muslims very well know that the kidnapping and duress are a reality, however they tend to ignore it infact reject it. I wish how Muslims would have reacted if Muslim girls in India would have been kidnapped of for matter in the US or Europe. Muslims are lucky as their enemies are not relegious bigots, otherwise they would have felt it.
Not convinced.Too many loose ends.
Conversion from Islam to another religion is punishable by death - no one can survive this and I know of Pakistanis who have converted to Christianity and had to flee the country. Looks lke the reverse in not true - conversion to Islam is encouraged.
@some one: what nonsense are you talking?you people are supporting a wrong doing in the eyes of the world!
@Ali: Poor girl is a minor and should be with her mother and in this company!
@ejaz: We are proud of you. You are a true humane being.all religion preach good things.we should not supress da minorities.
i think we got this country on the name of islam , so we should excersized the islamic law here , now some people asking that why muslim are not allowed to convert in pak like india and other countries
pak is not a secular country , and it should nt be
Sounds fishy!
@Afghan Karachiti:
How could you? Religious fanatic mob has taken over.
Pir sahib had to come with a mob to prove the girl had indeed converted. What a travesty of justice. Sanity and justice has left this society.
@mj: Sir, it is still you, a Muslim who is forcing your neighbor to convert by 'INVITING' her to embrace Islam. Each and every religion has good qualities that a decent human being will appreciate. I was born Hindu but a like to live my life following 10 commandments of Christianity, it does not mean that I have to become a Christian. Just live and let other people live their life the way they want to. Remember there is no COMPULSION in Islam, and your Invitation was exactly that but disguised as an invitation.
@G. Din: a great point indeed, but the islamists will ahve a hard time understanding this
@manjit singh:
Absolutely, then the mob will be on the girl's parent's side. This is war of kufr and Islam and no stone can be left un-turned in winning this war.
Funny that so many Hindu girls have suddenly seen the light of ‘Iman’. Why are so many boys not converting from Hinduism to Islam?
Oh and to everyone who is asking why it isnt allowed to convert from Islam, short answer would be Pakistan is an Islamic state and Shariah doesnot allow this. And the long answer would be If Allah said anything we shouldn't question it, like why do we pray or fast or even give zakat its because Allah commanded us and we are doing it,it about your firm believe in Allah that you act upon His commands. And to hindus,atheist,christians,liberals asking this you have full right to leave this country and live where ever you want but sorry we cannot change our Islam.
@Pakistani Hindu:
Bhai thats simply because no one follows their religion in its true spirit .
Cant blame the car if you dont know how to drive!
What if the boy was hindu and girl muslim. Obviously, he would have been running for his life!
@godlover your comment will make a good storyline of movie, accept the fact and stop living in the world of assumption and let me tell you a true story we had a hindu neighbour and we invited her to Islam but she said she cannot accept it although she knew that most of the islamic practices are justified and right just because she was afraid that she'll be thrown out of her community for being Muslim now tell me who is forcing who.??
@BlackJack: Simple answer: Hinduism is not the religion of the Book. Only Muslim men can marry a Jew or Christian woman -- the Ahle Kitab.
@Akthar: I agree .Vibrations born out of explosions are to be heard across the seas.
Another lie. Girl’s maternal uncle who is himself under threat is a threat to the mob? What a joke this Pir is. This poor maternal uncle guy came on a famous show and explained how every member of his family was under threat and was constantly being harassed to back off.
This alone proves that she is giving the testimony under pressure as how can the big Pir who has the support of a large mob can have any threat from the relatives of the girl? Why is the Pir even present in the court if it is not to intimidate?
Staged drama at its best, meeting media after a week in the presence of armed kidnappers, what choice can a girl have?. Religious minorities in Pakistan should immediately get converted to Muslims in order save their wives and daughters. or get out of that country.Thank you.
We never demanded a case in Sukkur,our case has been re-opened in karachi high court and supreme court has also taken notice of this case today, rinkle will be presented in high court on 12th march, We want rinkle to be sent to Dar-ul-Aman for atleast a week where she can decide out of pressure.
I am asking those who are very happy on this News !! Is it a hidden fact that feudals in sindh have significant influence on police, courts and everything... you guys always criticise feudals/waderas of sindh , what has happened to u guys now ? thats why we have filed pettition in karachi not in sukkur.
The million dollar question is if Pir would have married of the couple without conversion. Law Minister of India Salman Khurshid is married to a Christian and his sister is married to a Hindu without converting. Can any one give me an example from Pakistan please?
All of you oblivious people who think she is not being forced to say what she is saying and bashing liberals ...this is Pakistan ...she is obviously being FORCED to say this. Don't be so naive.
She had to decide either to live as a Muslim or to die as a Hindu with her Family.. So i think she had chosen the best option.
Confess or die .......... happens all the time in all times!!
@Akthar: China afraid of Pakistan (and that too because of religion)?? Which world you live in buddy?? And seriously how and where do you come up with these conspiracy theories?? (laughing)
I am not a fan of girls converting to Islam for marriage purposes. lslam means "Total submission to the will of Allah (the One True God)" So your Islam is for Allah only. You become a muslim (Submit your will to God) for only God. If you convert for a man (or woman) then that is not proper and not according to Islam. Remember that being a muslim is matter of the heart and your heart must accept Islam for Allah's sake only (not for any human being's sake)
I however wish Faryal well and welcome her for becoming a muslim. But please sister Faryal, be a muslim for Allah (The lord of this Universe), not for your husband or any other human being.
I would be called senseless if i say this statement was given by her own wish .. simply 17 years old girl can not show her freewill under the shadow of thousands gunmen. Most of you dont know what is happening in interior sindh, this is the only incident which has been reported but most of the cases go unreported. What happened in CHAK, 3 hindus were murdered in their homes?, 7 hindu children were kidnapped in just 2 years time from kashmore, where is ayesha kumari from jacobabd, where is Dr.lata no one knows. Law & order situation is great concern for all peacefull citizens but hindus are more at risk.
@BlackJack: Had she been a Christian or a Jewish woman, she would not have had to accept Islam. For a Muslim man, marriage is only permissible to a Muslim, Christian or Jewish woman (or a woman following a religion of the Book).
There was no any article that gives info since how long Rinkle Kumari and Naveed Shah were in love before the conversion. Why?????
@Malatesh: And what would have happened Malatesh...
Now you are just changing the focus on what would have happened... changing religion from islam to hinduism etc... the fact of the matter is she fell in love with the guy and got married and converted... this is her choice... .so what... if a person changes his religion for whatever reason that is his choice... learn to live with this my indian friends....sometimes its good to accept that you made the wrong assessment...
oh, staunch supporters of mullahs are thumping their chests over here, indians(me), liberals neither dead nor left the place, if it is simple conversion then ,what this MNA doing over there ?, is he a part time mullah ?, how can a minor get married in pakistan ?,why isn't the girl allowed meet her parents?,why their parents left villege to start with?, one person from the minority community(her uncle) threatening entire mullah brigade,police,lawyers in pakistan which is really beyond my understanding, writing is on the wall for everybody to see.
@Malatesh: u are 100% right
@Vinayak: "If she has married this person out of love, then what is the need to convert?" Mahatma Gandhi had a slightly different take on it. When Viajaya Lukshmi, Nehru's sister, fell in love with a Muslim guy, she was ready to convert "for love". Her father, Motilal Nehru, tried to dissuade her but not to much avail. In desperation, he asked her to seek counsel of Bapu (Mahatma). Vijaya poured out her heart to Bapu how she couldn't conceive of being able to live without her " true love". At this, the Mahatma posed a question to her. Said he:" You say you cannot live without your "true love" and so, you are ready to convert for the sake of that love. Is he also in love with you to the same degree? If he is, then he should be as ready to convert for your sake, isn't it? Find out if he is indeed." Well, folks, that was the end of the affair. Vijaya Luxmi got over him and went on to greater heights in public life of India. It may be too late to tender Bapu's wisdom to Rinkle Kumari!
"Either the love is hollow -or- having been abducted she has resigned to her fate." Spot on!
we hindus love humanity...we are totally again of this matter .......do we have no right to live in pakistan? quaid-e-azam said minorities will have the same rights as the other and think that one of the muslim girls being kidnapped and forcefully converted into anyother religion? what will be the reaction of the muslim community? we hate protests and what so ever but now we have to do because if we did nt take any action this will happen again ........because it happened 3 times 2 hindu girls from jacobabad become kidnaaped and 1 from larkana? what should we do? where should we do? do we leave pakistan? :( u can see all muslims are safe in india but we are not safe in pakistan :(
If this was a Muslim girl to start off with, then she would have been killed in the name of honour by the very people protecting her.
any thing these peers , land lords can do . i think a fair investigation needs to b the supreme ourt becz if the girl s forced to do so the its the crime beyond al crimes and if the girl family is lying then they need punishment becz religion shjpul nevr b brought among personal issue then becz it will effect communal Harmony and hate factors would lead to among our hindu brothers , lets understand others probs and lets nt b emotional
What?! I can't hear you Mr. Liberal. ;-)
BBC will also be greatly disappointed as they had a bias report about it yesterday.
Anybody would make a statement like that when faced with all kinds of threats.
ET and the like minded crowd must be weeping
She didnt had any choice rather than to accept islam. Imagine what would happen to her at her husband's house if she reject islam.
A big disappointment for the US funded NGOs who were out to make it a case of violation of rights of minorities.
Why this conversion to any religion for marriage sake. I'm dead against the these religious bigots who are bent upon on insisting for conversion before marriage. If you want to marry to a person just get married, why to change his/her religion. In India there are many people especially from the Bollywood, who never tried to change the religion of their spouse, whether Shahrukh Khan/Gouri, Nawab of Pataudi/Sharmila Tagore, Hritik Roshan/Suzanne Khan.
a slap on the face of liberal fascists who were jumping up and down on this issue
"Mian Abdul Haq of Bharchoondi Sharif" I wasn't expecting such a place and that too with "Sharif" :D
So what is surprise??? In Muslim dominated country, forcefully married to son of a politically influential person, surrounded by the threatening crowd, what she would have said, it was going to be the same story. But I'm now curious... for if boy was a Non-Muslim and girl Muslim and if girl would have said the same thing then also the reaction would have been the same from the reader here? I doubt for even couple would not have been able to approach the court. It happened a few month back when two Doctor was murdered. What a hypocritical view!!!!
@ Blackjack: there cant be a marriage between a muslim and a non muslim. Islam doesnt allow it, its simple. If you have issues dont love a non muslim / muslim boy or a girl. Its all rubbish that love is blind .. blah blah blah... The truth is you have to consider these factors because you cant change religious rules. There are rules and you have abide by them.
Hindu community specially in interior sindh is being suppressed, no doubt about that ! Even if this episode is true it does not overcome the fact that henious crimes like rape, kidnapping, extortion etc. takes place. Our society and courts should take this matter more seriously ! Being naive to the situation will not solve problems of Hindus of Pakistan.
the conversion which she did is totallly in pressure.....they warned faryal that if she will not talk against their favour they will kill her parents or else? if she has been converted into islam by her own will? so why these persons mian mitho and his all persons took guns in the Muirpurmathelo when the statement was gonna be taken from Faryal (rinkal) there were no any single hindu? all were the persons of mian mitho? we hindus also belive in humanity....but this is rubbish..and there is no any religion who tell us to force persons :( and this is very bad////
If Younis Habib can be taken away by FIA for not releasing Rs400 million to them, what about this poor girl. She is under duress and fears that if she tells the truth, all her family members will be killed.
IF convertign to Islam is a choice.... Converting to christianity ( moving out of Islam) is also a choice.... why is that not accpeted?
@One Faced - TRUTHFUL: They have written the term 'Forced conversion'. The ' ' makes the meaning the other way round. So ET has done right. And lets stop calling ET anti-state or anti-Islam. They are entitled to their opinion. And we have liberty to have our own opinion. As long as they publish our comments, we should give them the credit of being fair.
Where are those foreign-paid liberals who made a mountain out of a molehill about this girl?? too ashamed to write here now??
still I have a doubt...the wild faces of the people gathered around the girl have the power to generate any sort of statement from the girl. it is not a easy task to tell the right story when it is about the honour of Islam and the victim is Hindu teenage Pakistani girl, victimize by an influential Muslim family. my soul burns when I heard these stories.
I can smell burning. Probably thats why many people have not commented like the last time, But i am not a fire fighter. However, point to ponder. What if someone converts from islam to an other religion? I will say, let them be in peace as long as they do not declare war on Islam or hurt Muslims while trying to sound a 'scholar'.
but why has rinkal taken so many days to come out with such a statement?? she should have come out with this statement much earlier....something smells fishy !! may be goons took so many days to threaten her to make such a statement before media.... and its silly to blame girl's uncle or parents of threatening to kill the couple....when they are neither financially nor politiclly powerful as compared to all accused involved.... god bless her!
but why has this statement of rinkal been made after so many days? she would have come out with this statement much earlier...something smells fishy!! may been goons took so long to threaten the girl to make such a statement.
Faryal said she was a Muslim girl and therefore had nothing to do with her parents.
What does it mean? does it mean generally muslim girls have nothing to do with her parents?
@Naveed Baloch: why 'specially Islam'? on the other hand, muslims, if they dare convert to another religion, are 'wajib-ul-qatl'. why???
If she has married this person out of love, then what is the need to convert? Either the love is hollow -or- having been abducted she has resigned to her fate.
Considering that the girl is a teenager, this incident would have been treated as abduction in India and most countries. Possibly a rape charge would have been added to it as well. But I think in Pakistan the law is different.
Congraulating on accepting Islam on your own free will.
I have never heard in my life that any Muslim has converted his or her religion, but many non-Muslims have coverted and have become Muslims througout the world.
This is due to the reason that ISLAM is the best religion in the world.
The Liberal Facists in the Media were trying to bash Islam with this story but they are disappointed.
Religious extremists control FATA, Liberal westernized extremists control the government of Pakistan and Media.
The Silent Majority of Pakistan is against both of these extremes.
She is lying, only people who live in interior sindh can understand this not outsiders. in interior we have no place for mullas. we Sindhi are not extemist as compare mullas
@Naveed Baloch: Will a Muslim girl be allowed to convert to Hinduism to marry or for any other reason? Will you support her right to choose her faith?
@HMM: As a "liberal" I am happy she was not forced, but pray tell what would have been the fate of a Muslim girl who converts to some other religion in order to marry someone? The answer is clearly not "live in peace" but rather gunned down, along with her spouse. Why do we continue to uphold foolish tribal stoneage moral values today?
i still see a lot of loopholes in what has been stated; waiting for the update after she records her statement in KHI though
Is it allowed in Pakistan for a Muslim to convert to another religion ( Hinduism, Christianity, or Judaism)? Says it all about the state of freedom of religion in Pakistan.
Now where are all those liberals and indians in particular who were creating hue and cry just a couple of days back against the so called ''atrocities'' and ''cruelty'' being carried out on the minorities in Pakistan.
The conclusion: DO NOT jump to conclusions until you'v seen the whole picture ! :P
Where are the Indians who were protesting a few days back about this girls 'abduction'?
till today, i was of view that Tribune will not publish this news but my assumptions gone wrong. its really a great job done by tribune. now our psuedo Liberal and seculer media should should change thier policy and publish the news after research and due deligence.
@HMM wonderful, bravo
does she have any other option?
First of all Alhamdolilah & MashaAllah for the reversion. May Allah bless both woman and man. Secondly, where are all Liberals who bark on opposite matters? And Look at ET's headline, "Forced Conversion" giving impression as if something forcibly has happened.
we never do it by force... believe it or else...
Why would they force her to convert? Tell me one good reason! I hate it when the media publishes a story trying to protray something that's not true and in this case the charges of forced conversion are ridiculous! You make it seem like every non muslim in Pakistan is under pressure to convert which is totally rubbish!
Why should she need to convert to marry - that is the question. Yet another painful episode for the Hindus of Pakistan.
now kidnapings will become more easy and more frequent.
If she has become a Muslim she should respect her parents. Just becasue she has a different religion form them doesn't mean that she should have nothing to do with them. Heaven lies at the feet of your mother! So you should do her seva khidmet no matter what!
Obviously this is PAK so anyone who is converted to ISLAM is not forced. It happens automatically with a divine intervention. We all know well this drama .
One sentence says it all.
Now will Kapil Dev the blogger on ET and others who said that she was kidnapped and forced to convert come out to apologize for their allegations? I don't think so! Why has ET become a fourm for bashing Pakistan for every single incident?
masha allah
Scripted !
Lets have a simple solution of this problem. Handover Rinkal to her Family, call media , And ask same question. If Naveed shah is right then he shouldn't get scare for leave her to family.
Great News! The other day I had seen hundreds of angry mouth foaming comments from minorities and liberals about the ordeals faced by minorities in pakistan and the plight of Rinkle. I hope they now apologize for their previous comments. I wish Faryal and Naveed a happy life with the light of Islam always brightening their life. As I always say the minorities in Pakistan are in no more danger than the majority.
though I support her conversion, Islam doesn't allow one to forsake their parents even if they're polytheists. She should reconcile with them but continue to live with her husband and practice Islam.
Love is free of religion, ethnic, geography
So the girl’s parents politicized the issue!
Sooner than later, every Non Muslim in Pakistan will be converted into a Muslim, Inshallah. I also heard several chinese in Pakistan are also converting.
Now i think the Liberal Extremists and Indians from across the border will lose their voice. All these critics must realize that Islam is a very vibrant and powerful region and sooner than later, the whole world will become Islamic world. Why is China afraid of Pakistan, because there are huge conversions into Muslims and China is trying to control it by putting curbs (like on Uighurs), which, Inshallah it cannot and will break.
One thing I have learnt in my life... Right or wrong, religion has always divided people. It leads to animosity, hate and intolerance for each other. I don't know what to say... I am outta here.!! Peace!!
Congratulations for Becoming a MUSLIM...you are on the Right Track cuz you were destined to be a MUSLIM...MASHALLAH...
and why would anybody forced her conversion? Are muslim less in numbers that they need to do it? ridiculous blame...
I Hope now those people who were saying that She is Kidnapped Or Pressurised had their views clear when Faryal Shah said that she Converted to her own will.... By the way if a mature person accepts any relegion espasially Islam He/She has Right to do so... You cant stop Him/Her from doing so...
ET and the so called liberals would be disappointed from this news.
in that case its ok...