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Will support US, Nato or Indian intervention: Brahamdagh Bugti
Rejecting the APC, the BRP leader thanks US congressmen for moving the contentious bill on Balochistan.
Supporting the US congressional bill on Balochistan, Baloch Republican Party’s self-exiled chief Barahmdagh Bugti has welcomed all foreign intervention in the province whether it is the US, Nato or India. PHOTO: FILE
QUETTA: Supporting the US congressional bill on Balochistan, Baloch Republican Party’s self-exiled chief Brahamdagh Bugti has welcomed all foreign intervention in the province whether it is by the US, Nato or India.
“America must intervene in Balochistan and stop the ethnic cleansing of Baloch people,” said Brahamdagh, 30, as reporters listened with rapt attention to his telephonic address on Wednesday at the Quetta Press Club. “We know that foreign countries have their personal interest but we must think of our greater interest.”
A resolution was introduced on February 17 by Congressman Dana Rohrabacher and co-sponsored by two other congressmen in the US House of Representatives, calling upon Pakistan to recognise the Baloch people’s right to self determination. The bill has outraged Pakistan and leaders and lawmakers have called it against the country’s sovereignty and an unwelcome intervention by the US.
“Baloch women, political leaders, activists, students, writers, poets, professors and intellectuals are being subjected to enforced disappearances and undergoing torture for years. Their mutilated bodies turn up daily. Under such circumstances, we will welcome the support of foreign countries,” he said. “We have been accused of getting support from India but the Baloch movement does not have any foreign support. However, we will welcome any support for independence.”
Balochistan, Pakistan’s least developed but largest province by area, has undergone a separatist insurgency since the country’s inception. The insurgency escalated into rampant violence after the 2006 murder of Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti, the grandfather of Brahamdagh Bugti.
“The American resolution and committee formed for Balochistan is not against the sovereignty of Pakistan. Every country has the right to interfere or intervene [in another’s affairs] if there are state-sponsored human rights violations,” he said.
‘They are protecting Punjab’s sovereignty’
Sceptical of mainstream politicians’ and media attention to Balochistan’s affairs, Brahamdagh said the change of heart was rooted in apprehensions over Punjab’s sovereignty. “Pakistani politicians like Nawaz Sharif are now visiting Balochistan and inquiring about the plight of Baloch people. There are discussions and talks on TV channels and print media in recent days about Balochistan. Because they are now worried about the sovereignty of Punjab and [want] to protect Punjab’s interest.”
If they were sincere, he said, they should have raised the issue of enforced disappearances, mutilated bodies of Baloch youth and leaders earlier.
Reiterating his stance that there is violation of human rights in Balochistan by security forces and agencies, Brahamdagh said that Army Chief Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani had said that there was no military operation in the province and must stop denying the truth now.
Brahamdagh pointed out that if the lawmakers believe that the situation in Dera Bugti, Kohlu and adjoining areas is normal, they should allow free access to the region for journalists, international humanitarian organisations and citizens.
‘No negotiations’
When asked about an all-parties conference that Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani had announced over the crisis in Balochistan, Brahamdagh said that Baloch nationalist leaders will not join negotiations. “One the one hand, they are calling an APC while on the other, they are brutally killing Baloch people and throwing their bullet-riddled, mutilated bodies,” he said.
Brahamdagh called on Balochistan Governor Zulfiqar Magsi and Chief Minister Nawab Aslam Raisani to also join the Baloch movement, leaving behind their “temporary” and “personal” interest as they will not achieve anything but humiliation from supporting the Pakistani government. “If they do not want to join the movement, they should resign from office and sit quietly because the Baloch movement is nearing its destination. Efforts are being made to unify the rank of Baloch leaders.”
When asked about the recent killing of his sister and niece in Karachi, Brahamdagh said that such brutalities will not compel him to withdraw or surrender from the struggle.
He also lashed out at the ultra-conservative Difa-e-Pakistan Council, which has announced a public gathering on February 27 in solidarity with the Baloch people. “Where were they when Baloch women, children and youth were being picked up and brutally killed by security forces? There is no influence of Jihadi elements in Balochistan. These religious parties are backed by security agencies,” he said.
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Pakistan should hold a plebiscite in Balochistan. This will solve the problem in no time at all. Inshallah the CJ will take suo moto notice on this issue.
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A nutcase. It is ironic while under his command thousands of Blochs were refugees in Multan, and he is saying about Bloch rights. It is true Bramdagh work for foreign agencies. Blochistan is part of Pakistan, ask millions of Blochs living all across Pakistan.
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Okay. That is a seriously cool shotgun.
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He is was not chosen by the Elders of his tribe once his name was put up for Tribal Chief to take over after Nawab Akbar Bugti. Trying to take a shortcut. He has no love for any poor Baloch. A big question mark about his role the day Nawab Akbar Bugti was martyred.
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Bugti’s just want to keep their fuedalism and power in tact.. hence they are behind most of the killings which they accuse the govt and army of carrying out.. the poor Balochi living in Balochistan is fearful of his master… we gotta break this fuedal system and its high time governments stops talking and starts acting…..
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why isnt he talking about all the Innocent Panjabi being killed by his terrorists?
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the pakistani govt. should wake up and realise the dangers ahead.the situation in balochistan could be used as an excuse to attack our country like what happened in libya,kosovo and east timor.the hold of pakistani state is already being weakened in balochistan,there are militant attacks daily.the situation needs to be controlled before outside forces conspire together to attack our land.
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So. The Indian connection is there, isint it ????
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Bravo .
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We(Indians) are with you Bugti.
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Mr. Bugti should be asked how he has spent the billions the govt of Pakistan pays to his family from gas revenues as their share of royalty. Why do the Bugti’s insist on keeping the people in their area in poverty and uneducated? Easier to rule over perhaps? Also only a small part of Baluchistan actually belongs to the Bugtis.
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“Will support US, Nato or Indian intervention: Brahamdagh Bugti” – Superb!!!!!!! Now let the Pakistanis talk about ‘Human Rights’, ‘Kashmiri freedom fight’ and ‘Muslims being oppressed’…. Come on guys… Be sportive….. And please mention the RAW, CIA and Mossad….. Please….. You guys have the world to talk about from Iraq, Palestine to Kashmir… But Baluchistan (half of geography of Pakistan!!!!) is happening right under your nose by your govt… Lets listen…
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Mr. Bugti has full support of Kabul and India. And where is Mr. Bugti when Baluch target kill people including fellow Baluch who work in the education, health, and development sector in Baluchistan? Is that also not violation of human rights and illegal?
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We (Indians) are with you Bugti.We extend our full moral support to you as pakistanis extend to our Kashmiri separatists.Now the circle is complete.
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“We have been accused of getting support from India but the Baloch movement does not have any foreign support. However, we will welcome any support for independence.” – I don’t know if the indian govt will oblige but Afghans have a score to settle…..
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The organizations/country from which this intervention is being sought by a few don’t exactly have good records themselves.
NATO has always looked to its own interests eg. kosovo, yugoslavia, afghanistan, libya. They use the local like petty animals to serve their political interests.
US is the same: killings on its own borders with central america, Iraq, Afghanistan, libya, the whole middle east. And don’t forget the one million dead Iraqi women & children from a war they had nothing to do with.
India: It has its own dozens of separatist movements going on and is doing the same thing happening in balochistan today. The doctrine of using proxy terror groups is the brainchild of Indian security agencies eg. against the tamil population.
I would advise Barahmdagh Bugti to pick & choose wisely lest he suffer the same fate people suffered at the hands of these three entities.
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@ET. The above pic is very wrong idea with this news item. Barhmdagh bugti is a pakistani and his views though harsh but must be respected!
Well..Agencies need to release all abducted baluchs at once n immediately. Sc should hold daily hearings on akbar bugti case. APC should b hold in quetta and in the APC a clear future plan should b announced in line with aspirations of baloch ppl. Then only we can talk of holding dialogue with disgruntled balochs and then only they can have some trust on the government.
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omg..looks like things are getting serious
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you need to give the province its due share of autonomy and resources. A plebiscite should be out of question. Provinces are in no position to ask a government to hold plebiscites to get independence. we are a single nation and a division of Pakistan should not even be an option! Army should not conduct operation against civilians but they have the right to build cantonments where ever they feel the country needs provided the federal government supports them. moreover, an operation against nationalists is justified since they are trying to break the country!
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Mr. Brahamdagh Bugti, you are the Mir Jaffar of the time.
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Completely Agree with Brahamdagh Bugti and his apprehensions. The Baloch and other oppressed ethnicities did not get their rights through constitution since 1947 and no other option was left to them to demand their rights with in the constitution.
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So it begins…
Another Bangladesh in the making unless Pakistanis come to their senses and address genuine grievances of the Baluchs.
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Baluchistan’s legitimate demands should be fulfilled. Separatists will never be satisfied though. If they think they can achieve their goal of separation through fighting they are grossly mistaken.
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A person like Brahamdagh has no right asking for independence. He used to say he will never leave Balochs in despair but today he lives in Switzerland but here Balochs continue to suffer at the hands of military and militant goons alike. Our lives have been held hostage by them. We Balochs love our Balochistan and we want Autonomy and nothing more. Our life, our work and our families are everything for us, we are Pakistanis and we shall remain Pakistanis for the rest of our lives. Either Brahamdagh Bugti should come back and fight like a real man or he should not talk anymore.
Pakistan Zindbaat
Balochistan Zindbaat
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The reality of all the problems anywhere in Pakistan is because the general public does not get to hear the truth. Today, wars are not fought by guns and barrels – they are fought with the media and capturing the minds of the masses. Specially in case of Balochistan – the army should somehow expose the external forces that are involved in balochistan (if there are some) – either themselves or through media.
– “Wars are fought by capturing people’s minds not by force” –
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Abdul Rehman Malik should issue red warrant for his arrest …hang him/himself for Pakistan’s interest
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In last 63 years Baluch people did not try to get education. Those who are from big families got good education abroad but useless as they could not teach in college and universities. Baluchistan has lot of natural resources but they could not explore them. When qualified people came from other province they killed them. what a poor nation, now looking toward India, Israel and USA for independence. If they get independence they will fight each other like Afghans for power. I advise all children of Baluch leaders already killed, that the only wise solution for them is to extend apology to Pakistani people and declare that they will remain with Pakistan and play a part in building Baluchistan and Pakistan. Otherwise all their resources will be dig out by Indians and US, and in return they will get a dark future like Afghans.
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@col retd: A big question mark about his role the day Nawab Akbar Bugti was martyred. So, he killed Akbar Bugti?
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Isn’t his statement act of treason??
I love my Pak Army. Recommend
True tribalism at its peak..
The enemy of my enemy is my friend…
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Dear Bugti, what have you done for your own people’s education and development?
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I understand his anger but any intervention from any country will be dealt with the strongest possible reaction..so don’t ever dare to think anything foolish..we have a full capacity to make them taste their own medicine.
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The Baloch Republican Party, BRA and BLA are targeting innocent civilians on ethnic grounds and are staging attacks against our military. There is a way to demand rights and this certainly isn’t it. Additionally, who on earth actually thinks these people represent Balochistan? The average Balochi/ person living in Balochistan would probably shudder at the thought of power given to these terrorists. The state should go after them and put an end to this nonsense. Recommend
@Mohammad naeem:
Sensible very good Nadeem your a true patriot
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It reminds me of 1971, The Khakis fighting it out against the Awami league and Pakistan being the ultimate loser.
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@Mohammad naeem:
please provide us some real evidence if baluch people are being abducted by the ISI, and u know Punjabi’s are being killed more than balochs in Baluchistan, no one talks about the funding of these traitors and their links, in 2004 brahamdag bugti was welcomed by the RAW at mumbai airport, they are fools playing in the hands of our enemies, and rememeber these groups have no masses support if they had they would have formed a main stream political party , they are in minority thats why they are carrying guns.
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@Random:
sshhhh,be quiet,Don’t you know that for the pakistani media there is no such thing as an innocent punjabi?
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@Manmohan Singh:
get one thing straight:
kashmir is an international dispute; Balauchistan is not.
Balachistan is part of Pakistan as per all legal rights and instruments; whereas Kashmir is occupied by India.
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*Pakistan Zindabad , Allah will save Pakistan inshaAllah *
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Did US and allies freed Iraqis and Afghanis, simple answer is no. They are not there to free people; they are interventionists and enslave people and also bring about puppet rulers of their choice in power. He should also remember the fate of Kashmiris in the hands of Indian Military criminals. Brahamdagh Bugti has no interest in poor Balochis and only looks after the number one’s interest (himself). Pakistani Government though should listen to outcry of Balochis and solve their economic and socio problems. If this is done; people like junior Bugti won’t be able to blackmail Pakistan.Recommend
@Indian:
Pakistani nation is used to such statments and even jolts. Even Super power is trying to influence it through paper resolutions. Much has been learnt due to past mistakes. So nothing will occur this time as it is changing fast and nation is watchful of all happenings.Recommend
@Indian jat vasan and other indian commenters
It would be wise for india to keep its nose out. Baluchistan is not compose of Bugti the people are scattered between three countries iran afghanistan pakistan. There are more pashtuns in Pakistan than in Afghanistan and half of them resides in baluchistan because of their shared tribal links. Unless you guys want to get your otherwise economically and millitarily strong country tangled in an out of control mess than stay out. Dont forget before Afghanistan US was a superpower militarily and economically, and putting it fingers into a destabilised country like Afghanistan has driven it bankrupt. A strong country always has more to lose than a destabilised country which becomes a loose cannon for its neighbours. Afghanistan is a already a mess, Iran is picking a fight with the US, you guys already have problems with china on the other border, do you really want Pakistan to spiral out of control and drag you down. Baaluchistan is as possible as kurdistan, you will have to cut out three countries to get it and then also it is near impossible.
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needless anti Punjab bashing is getting tiresome
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By the way, what is his contribution to poor balochs???
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Independent Baluchistan is not possible
**1. because Baloch and Brahi if combined makes 50 % of Population and other 50 % population is Pashtun and Hazara. Considering Pashtun and Baloch relation ship its un imaginable that any Pathan will reckon Baloch dominance.
without Iran and Afghan help its not possible to separate Baluchistan. Iran it self is fighting US sponsored insurgency in its part of Baluchistan.
Baluchistan is not East Pakistan where there is 2500 KM of enemy territory between Base and Area of Operation. US drama is to pressurize Pakistan. US at the movement is acting like a bully who has lost respect and no one is acting according to its wishes.**
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There have been accusations of atrocities in Kashmir by Indian army. Having travelled to Kashmir, I feel It is perhaps a justified accusation, as there is indeed a fear of the army, and army does overreach in handling the situation at times.
But, at no time Army can be accused of killing any major leader of Kashmiri separatism. Even when they don’t agree with these leaders, Indian leadership lets them speak what they want, hold protests and even address gatherings in rest of India.
Contrast that with what Pakistan Army did – It killed Mr. Bugti through a war like strike? If you expect to win over agitated people, this is hardly the way!!
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@indians
Kabul has a score to settle what a joke! Only the mayor of Kabuls presidential palace Hamid Karzai has a problem with Pakistan and that too now hes begging us for help. If india nato or americans even think of coming to baluchistan, we with the help of friends across the borders will prepare a very warm welcome for them. I am sure after the Afghan hospitality of the Americans it is time we too display our hospitality to any ‘guests’ who want to visit Baluchistan.
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being a Pakistani i hv serious concerns on this balochistan issue!! i hop v ll soon find a solution and vl not let this happen.. Mr.bugti u u shud not talk in favor of india and Nato..Recommend
@ Indian and all the other indians: wow.. you really seem excited with all this insurgency in Baluchistan, but dont be hasty my friend, I would like to bring you down to earth. There are problems in Baluchistan (no doubt about that), but armed insurgency is being led by people mainly hailing from Dera Bugti and Kohlu ( 2 out of so many districts of Baluchistan). That is why, this insurgency is being handled by Frontier Corps (which is just a paramillitary force). If this insurgency would have been so big or out of control, then certainly our tanks, gunship helicopters and full army battalions would have been doing operations in Baluchistan in just the same way as you people are doing in Kashmir. But, anyways, we thank the indians for their involvement in Baluchistan, as this has resulted in greater concern among the people of Pakistan for the Baluch people. Now, even Punjab is commited to solve the Baluchistan issue and give Baluchis (our beloved brothers) their right, and in time most of their greviences will be resolved. Just to further disappoint you, may I also add that 40% to 45% of Baluchistan are ethnic pashtuns who are not interested in Independent Baluchistan. Then, in Balochs there are Jamalis, Lagharis, Bijaranis, Bizenjos and many more who dont talk of an independent Baluchistan. So my humble advice to you, dont compare Baluchistan with Kashmir. Not a single parallel can be drawn in between them. I hope that I have not made you CRY….
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How was that o Pakis! to ignore your afghan brothers and to serve america..
I wonder which part of my country has some better life standards..Neither
Punjabi nor Seraiki,never Pakhtun nor pothuhari,not even sindhi..
why trying to please these nawabs,why not a common balochi..
He also has his some dreams,has his self-respect.Why to these billionaires
As far as Indians are concerned,Their dreams are not far away..I fear!
if america has started to pursue its game plan.
If Anything happens to Balochistan,it would be the end of Pakistan….
Wake up!
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We are in a state of denial. He doesn’t beg from punjab but demands ownership on their resources. Why Punjab has ownership of wheat and resources from other provinces are owned by Federal govnt (again Punjab). Isn’t it a flawed constitution? Isn’t it a law of jungle?
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In the last 60 yrs of his family ruling the people of Balochistan, ( His Tribe) have not only live in misery but have had no rights under these people, What has the Bugti s done for their tribe except to have treated the followers like slaves, All I hear and have heard that these so called Sardars terrorize and kill people at random. Before asking for independence why dont you free your people first.
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@Manmohan Singh:
Mr. Manmohan, the truth is that there has been human rights violation in Balochistan, and the govt of Pakistan should have taken measures to prevent this earlier. BUT this issue is not comparable to Kashmir, u commit the fallacy of ‘False Analogy’ here..Kashmir was a Dispute SINCE its creation.
It was NOT the human rights violation that ‘started’ the chaos there. Balochistan has been an undisputed part of Pakistan (while Kashmir is a disputed territory-and when India claims that talking about Kasmir is meddling with its INTERNAL affairs-this is “baseless” because Kashmir is NOT India’s undisputed internal part)…so the analogy is false.
Hope things get better in Balochistan and these security forces and other terrorists stop their brutal activities.
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Lets be real…US or NATO will not intervene and India? I don’t even need to say. Balochistan will always be part of Pakistan no matter what these haters say.
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Separate all peaceful Balochis from thugs then wage a galant war like Sri- Lanka did with Tamil Tigers. This is the only solution to clean up the mess. Freedom fighting if this is then why kill doctors, labors and teachers??? Media is not projecting true picture at present, probably they are afraid of criminals.
This is not a separatist movement, this is the terrorism to force their view point through gun. Pakistan movement was the only peaceful movement to be recognized as legitimate. This is just a war of greed on both parts. All Baluchistan was never ruled by a single non Balochi so who is to blame?? Sardar?? Even ex Prime Minister Mr. Jamali was from Baluchistan.
Baluchistan is still and will remain part of Pakistan if our government and army take serious steps. Only electric-speed development and removing miseries of our brothers can reverse wheel of negative events.Recommend
@Lt Col Imtiaz Alam (retd):
“Nawab Akbar Bugti was martyred” – Colonel saab, Martyred by who??????
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Oh my God the Indians are coming! But should we be afraid? You see we in Pakistan do not say “So jao beta Gabar Singh aje ga” but in India they say “So jao beta warna ISI aa jai gi”
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Who cares?? The Balouch are less than 5% of the total population and even in Baluchistan they will soon become a minority, the Pashtuns will be majority soon. So these Bugtis and Jamalis can scream and jump all they want, they’ll soon will be part of history.
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@Indian:
You can say anything but one thing is for sure they are Land lords and Sardars and they are using youth for their vested interests. When you ask common people from Balochistan they are actually victims of these Bugtis, Mengals and Maris and they have nothing to do with so called “independence movement”. These Sardars are sitting abroad, have thousands and thousands acre of land acquired from British rulers and living a lavish life, have made poor people of the province their slaves.
Govt of Pakistan should curb this terrorist movement and work for the betterment of common people of Balochistan.
No score settling man Pakistan has always been helping hand of Afghans where 2 million afghan refugees still living.
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@blithe: Now Balochistan is a clear cut International dispute for safety and freedom of baloch people ..
As far as kashmir is concerned, it is no more an international dispute. In 21st century It is only a bilateral dispute.
SO forget kashmir and save balochistan if you can..Recommend
Balochistan is blaming its own faults on the rest of the problem. It is not Punjab or Sindh that is exploiting them, but it’s their own elites.Recommend
Oh Balooch people r being made foolish like us by indians as they did in 1971.From Dhaka.
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@Mir Chakar Mazari: I am really moved by your comment I can feel tears in my eyes.
Thanks very much for your support. Nothing can happen to Balochistan and Pakistan.
Long live Balochistan
Long live Pakistan…….
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@Kazmis right on spot.
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any foreign intervention will make Baloch rights struggle controversial and will lose sympathies of public generally and Pakistani public specially
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Pakistan needs reforms where feudal land lords,peers and sardars and dynastic politics should be abondoned. because they never want people to progress.
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Nawabzada Bramdagh Bugti I know you are fed up and can’t trust the rulers but only Bugtis and Marris don’t live in Baluchistan province. There are many more large and prominent tribes like Raisani, Jamalis, and Zehris also who donot want any secession. Also most of Northern Baluchistan is Pashtun held and not Baluch. The sovereignty of Pakistan is NOT NEGOTIABLE.
All said, give the Balochs their due rights, both political and economical at once with open hearts. As a gesture release all nationalists who are not involved directly in terrorism and STOP killing the hard liners so atleast TALKS can start. Also once talk starts give the BLA fighters legal protection and take back anti state cases on them. (Also red warrants should be issued for Musharraf for killing Nawab Akbar Bugti)
All the corrupt current rulers of Baluchistan first and then Federal Government must set their act straight and resolve this issue on most priority basis.
So please talk and sort this.
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/82401192/Balochistan-New-York-Times-story-on-August-15-1947-shows-the-State-of-Kalat-as-Independent
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All guys speak thier own, but the truth is what Mr. Bramdagh is saying.
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“Pakistani politicians like Nawaz Sharif are now visiting Balochistan and inquiring about the plight of Baloch people. There are discussions and talks on TV channels and print media in recent days about Balochistan. Because they are now worried about the sovereignty of Punjab and [want] to protect Punjab’s interest.”
now that is a wrong statement by brahmdagh statement..
Politicians like imran khan and nawaz sharif are worried about balochistan. I genuinly feel all of them want to solve the problems of balochistan in their own capacity
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It’s strange that both India and Pakistan use similar high handed tactics to managed its troubled districts… One would have thought that Pakistan would have learned by India’s mistakes in Kashmir and followed a more humane approach in Balochistan. How brainless are the authorities in both these countries!!!! Not do different after all!!!Recommend
@Indian:
Balochistan is 4% of Pakistan’s population.
We have neglected that area, and we are wrong in doing so… but we do not murder innocent children, and are neither occupying Balochistan by military force. If one feudal, who is proven (by photographic and other evidence presented by Musharraf and now openly declared by himself to be an asset of enemy intelligence agency) is blabbing about the whole of Balochistan, doesn’t mean what he is saying is true, it doesn’t mean anything for that matter. That’s like me saying because some Naxalites want independence and have killed 100s of Indian soldiers, India should just cede control of these areas… Do you agree?
When Pakistan talks about Kashmir, we are talking about a disputed territory between India and Pakistan. Balochistan has absolutely squat to do with India, and yet you guys jump on the bandwagon. Why?
Contrary to your wishes, Balochistan was, is and always will be a part of Pakistan, whether you like it or not.
have a nice day.
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“Will support US, Nato or Indian intervention”: Brahamdagh Bugti…
This SAYS IT ALL… WHO WANTS WHAT ????
Brahmandas Bugti…and few other like him are the ones who WISH that all resources of the Balochistan province shoul dbe handed over to SARDARS like him and common and poor Balochi should live in darkness as the slaves of these SARDARS….
I am a Balochi by birth but PAKISTANI first.. We know these SARDARS and their GREED for the resources of Balochistan.
Pakistan is for PAKISTANIS and anybody who does not like Pakistan can go and live in INDIA if he likes.Recommend
What is most interesting in the comments section is that how much Indians hate us and our country. It just makes me thankful for having a separate country. They have such malice and ill will towards our country and our people. Shahid Afridi was right i suppose they are not big hearted like us. They feel happy when we are in pain or in trouble. Thank God we dont have to live with them.
I hope and inshallah we will resolve peacefully and amicably our internal problems.Recommend
I say its time to send in our military! but wait for him to come back first….
Balochistan isn’t going anywhere despite Indian & US struggle.
Bring it on!
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@Fahad Karam:
and a seriously cool pakistan emblem hat
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@Jat:
Like we are with Kashmiris and Sikhs and Naga people and the communist
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* we don’t even need to waste our time on these CONGRESSMEN motives !!!!!!!!!!! They cannot see the ethnic cleansing in KASHMIR but preach it for Balochistan……….. Balochistan is PAKISTAN and we love our country PAKISTAN.
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for his own revenge the person who is trying to destroy pakistan.nightmare dear.any one who commits any mistake against pakistan will see we do what.
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Cant help but love Pakistan despite everything
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Dear indians…please practice what you preach…if you want us to carve up our country based on ethnicities please do the same with your own country as well. I am sure a lot of people in India will jump to the oppurtunity.
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All indians need to stop gloating. You can play your games all you want – our beloved Balochistan is not going anywhere. If Pak army wanted to, they can conduct a full blown operation there and they will if it comes to that – they only capture those that are behind terrorist activities there funded and run by the americans and indians . Deal with your maoists and kashmiris before we have also have to get involved again ;-) cheers. MUUAAHRecommend
@Jat:
we (pakistanis) are with “kashmiris, Taamils, and Sikhs” (Jaw-breaker)
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The Baloch have been deprived of their rights since the independence of Pakistan. Pakistan had more than enough time to address the grievances of Baloch whether it was lack of electricity, non-existent roads, schooling, and quiet possibly the worst infrastructure in the country (considering the country is Pakistan, you can imagine how bad basic facilities are in Balochistan). We might blame the sardars but we were the one’s who fed them. Whether it was politicians or generals, the Baloch common man was given step motherly treatment by the state of Pakistan. Now the Baloch youth have joined this insurgency in record numbers and Pakistan will find it more difficult to control. Can you explain to me why when gas was discovered in Sui in the 50′s , did it take Quetta until 1980′s to have a proper Gas supply. Sui should have been a booming town of modern buldings, hospitals and perhaps a State of the Art engineering university. But it is a dusty village of mud homes. From what face does Pakistan demand Baloch loyalty?Recommend
Brahamdagh Bugti must fight his own battle on behalf of his people and stop trying to draw in other countries like the US and India into his dispute. If his cause is just like it was in East Pakistan independence will come otherwise he should remain satisfied making grand statements.
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My advice to my Pakistani brothers and sisters would be to look at the grievances of the baloch people. Everywhere, I see that there is concern for copper deposits, gold depositss gwader access etc. But hardly do I see any genuine concern for the baloch qom. Everyone is ready to explain and profess they are not like the east Pakistan case, India cannot attack because we don’t have direct access. What kind of a mentality and argument is this. Secondly, Kashmir had acceded to us by its maharaja and rest of Indians can’t buy properties there and kashmiri people can hold rallies there. No leaders have been killed. Please take stock before the horses jump the gate. Please give those 5 % people of your Pakistani watan their rights. Sat Sri akal, rab rakha, salam, cheerio. Take care everyoneRecommend
Him and his elders have denied their own people for decades. They take crores of rupees from Govt of Pakistan for using the tribes land but spend nothing on the tribe. These so called nawabzada’s require education, hospitals and houses in every big city of Pakistan and the world but would deny their own people of land, education even movement between their own villages without taking the permission of the elders. What justice he is seeking and from whom what justice have they provided to their own people. They just want power so that they can do what ever they want to do with the land and the people. Recommend
Sorry to Brahamdagh Bugti and Balochistan people. Wish everything get well soon.
I want and i wish India shouldn’t intervene in Balochistan in any way which could cause even a little damage to Indian economy.
US/NATO are free to do whatever they want. US has this habit of acting as Big Brother of world. No problem is even that. Just wish India shouldn’t participate in any full frontal war. Worry is far more than losing, winning or teaching lesson to anybody. Worry is ‘my house is in little mess’, can’t use my resources to clear mess in others house.
Though many Indians here expressing support for intervention, in actual they won’t. They know how much a war cost. Current Indian generation knows Kargil war cost. You can also see how much damage war had done to US and Pakistan economy.
About Kashmir, time will solve it.
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Since Pakistan interfered in the affairs of its neighbors, this is an opportunity they will not forego to take revenge on Pakistan. Sad but true. Half of Pakistan broke away because of the short sighted policies of the then rulers. Now nearly half of the existing landmass is likely to breakaway yet again. It is obvious that Pakistan’s aggressive policies has ruined the nation. It is time to make sacrifices and aggressively make peace.
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@Frantic:
“@Jat:
we (pakistanis) are with “kashmiris, Taamils, and Sikhs” (Jaw-breaker”
Tamil Nadu has NEVER had an insurgency. Khalistan movement was over long time back. In case you have not noticed, our PM for the last 8 years has been a sardar.
WIth better border co-ordination and prevention of foreign jihadis into Jammu and Kashmir, things are returning to normalcy. LAst year Srinagar got a million tourists.
Keep dreaming though.
@Much Amused ” So. The Indian connection is there, isint it ???”
He is willing to accept help and reaching out. HE would not have to do so if he was actually receiving help from India.
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ppl blaming punjabi are living in an alternate reality………………punjab is made up of punjabis, siraikis and pothohari and hazaras……all of them blame the other for their suffering…….the problem is that everyone wants to blame others without taking any responsibility.
ppl blaming punjab, please point out what city in punjab is taking away rights of everyone…….and i’m sure everyone will say lahore……..please go to lahore and ask 95% of population and they will decry the injustice done to them……….
in the end……the only conclusion is that it is not the provinces that are taking away from the poor, it is the feudal lords of Pakistan, nawaz sharif, zardari, bugti and many others who have been ministers in every government since inception,
Balochistan insurgency is not a fight between punjabi and baloch but between landlords and warlords of pakistan and the poor people are caught in the crossfire or they are naive enough to get caught up in this fake division.
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Another Bangladesh in the making, all because of marginalizing and ignoring Balochs for decades. Just like how Bengalis were treated pre 1971 just like that Balochs are being driven down the same path. And some ignorant people here are in complete denial.
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@Son Of Soil:
@Pakistani:
@Err:
and many other friends, what do you say when UNO (behind USA, India , Israel and many European countries) ask Pakistan to sign a treaty declaring Baluchistan as Independent country? After March 2012 the present Govt may be in an authoritarian position. Please do not forget Raymond Davis case. some forces need Quetta & Karachi in Baluchistan.
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@Much Amused:
If it was there his problem would have been solved long time ago!!
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@Omer:
No we dont say that. Because children in India honestly dont know what or who ISI is? Children are not encouraged to get involved in politics. For example my niece who is 6 knows who Shahrukh khan, Salman khan and Hrithik Roshan are but not much about Pakistani or Indian politics I am afraid. Hum bacchon se unka bachpan nahi cheenana chahtey. And no child is taught to be judgemental about any religion. Let them enjoy life! And I would advise you to chillax dude!!
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90 comments on board and every one spitting fire. Pakistan is a democracy and I will request you all to consider that In India all the separatists in Kashmir have not only existed in safety but have been repeatedly permitted to meet Pakistani leaders, travel abroad and give anti Indian speeches attend conferences etc. No one in this country questions their right to do so. Then why every one in Pakistan is reacting so sharply. ISI or Army do not solve these issues only civil leadership will have to do it today or tomorrow.
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I am the commoner Baloch, who has been for millenia a subject of petty feudalism
I will fight for Pakistan, rather than any feudal lord who did not even try to educate my children while going for Oxford himself–reality check Bugti elders
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@Vinod: They have been given everything but their freedom. Unless India does that you guys have no moral standpoint to lecture us. No matter what you say you a lot of your countrymen here on this forum are hostile to our country and we resent that. You cant expect us to take that lying down? Noone would!
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@Adeel Ahmed: Innocent Balochis turn up dead in their hundreds. I wish Pakistanis face up to reality. After all they are humans too and they have a right to life just like the rest of us. This cannot be brushed under the carpet any longer.
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Yes Indians keep jumping up and down with joy. Infact we Pakistanis are waiting for you in Baluchistan so that we can do to you what Afghans have done to Americans. Come here at your own risk. As for Bugti – keep dreaming mister, you are just ONE of the more than 100 tribes that reside in Baluchistan. Lets not forget this so called nationalist is the same person whsoe father supported the Army operation in the 1970′s , inorder to make his tribe more powerful and get favours from the govt. With so many competing tribes and loyalties it will not be a piece of cake to seperate Baluchistan. The province has scarce population of 10 million compared to the rest of Pakistan which has 170 million, So yes please India come here at your risk. We are eagerly awaiting for you.Recommend
@ frantic; I am a Tamil ,there is no separatist movement in tamil nadu that’s only a dream of you Recommend
ahmed baloch,
Thanks for good tag.
At end every one need peaceful secular & democratic Pakistan.
Singh
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His grandfather Akbar Bugti voted for Pakistan..He was CM and Governor and once was a federal minister..They lost hope and left parliment and went to mountains to fight….
Mushraf used army for against the Baloch..Now Mushraf is enjoying and army is burden with several accusations..all Pakistan should stand with Baloch Community…Start a long march until the recovery of missing persons…Baloch are feeling isolated and unwanted…All Parties are speaking against USA…they are not speaking to support Baloch..There should be strong outcry FOR Baloch..All non-Baloch leaders,students and laymen should visit Baloch protesting camps for missing persons…
Brahamdagh just a reaction of an action….
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@ frantic: I am from Tamil Nadu. We are happy to be a part of India. Have you ever visited Southern part of India?
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Akbar Bugti was murdered by the Pak army under Mushraff..the whole wide world knows it..so stop questioning it..
Dr. Md Fai was planted by the ISI in washington to jeopardise world against India on Kashmir (for about 25 yrs) but the realty on Fai came in light in 2011. He was working for pakistan to gain support from the US congress to make it a humanitarian issue. (I won’t be surprsed if Pakistani altogether dismiss that theory and blame it on Mossad, CIA, Raw etc.)
And I only wish that Indian govt. (IB, RAW) was ever active like the ISI is against the neighbours but our govt just spends all it’s verve against opposition parties and defending themselves from scams after scams..lucky for Pakistan !! ..aahh..but still you guys always blame India for balochistan..
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Why can’t be there be a plebescite( Voting) in Balochistan. Pakistanis are fan of right to self-determination. ?Recommend
Its so very evident that this is being feed by foreign agencies whose aim is to disintegrate Pakistan into several pieces in the coming few years. And i don’t doubt even for a second that this guy must be having huge properties in those foreign land . While Balochs are living in miserable conditions under the ruler ship of these . Recommend
@Much Amused:
how did you know that? he is saying about future, not past.
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This is a wake up call for Pakistan to find a peaceful solution to Balochi problem which is presently under international scrutiny. The US focus though politically motivated might have serious implications in the form of sanctions and aid restrictions. Extra-judicial killings and abductions must stop and human rights organisation observations need to be take seriously and not brushed aside using harsh language. The noose around Pakistan is tightening Balochistan is a sure indicator that internal and foreign policies which have been mishandled for a long time need to be revisited. Recommend
@Pakistani:
Tanks, air and artillery have not been used against Kashmiris, however they have been used in the tribal belt of Pakistan by Pakistan Army.
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First he should get Musharraf; himself..and not by offering money to a hit man….only THEN he would have proven his mettle.
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To ALL the indians first give independence to all the ppl of India . and improve the living of poor who r dying daily on the streets then come to the rescue of Balochistan ….
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come on all musharraf bashers.. ur eyes must open up now!! the grandson of bugti was caught with arms by the frontier corpse.. then comes this bugti who is sending out rebellious messages. what is the punishment for a rebel??? plz mian nawaz sharif reply.
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Horrible reporting. Express tribune should be ashamed to report without research…This is just tawdry sensationalism
..There’s NO BILL…NOT even a “resolution” passed….just an idea floated around & our english-media , goes ga ga over it..seeing some self-fullfilling “profitcy” (sic)Recommend
Yes some one ask him what he does for Balochis till now ???? and he sud not be given air time on the newspapers . or media .
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the issue of balochistan is one that must be considered top priority. Balochistan was never given its due share of power hence the anti pakistani sentiments are justifiable. however, it is still not too late to correct this issue. We, as pakistanis must accept balochistan as an equal province and the balochis as equals. the abduction of the baloch people must stop immediately and they should be given their full rights. hopefully Balochistan wont see the same fate as that of Bangladesh.
LONG LIVE BALOCHISTAN!!
LONG LIVE PAKISTAN!!!!
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Dear Pakistanis,
Instead of counter accusation and throwing the blames, need to introspect.
Besides, how can one not expect some body not to retaliate after his loved one has been harmed ?
How can one expect for the foreign interests / stake holder / neighbour not to interfere when the issue is being minshanled and mismanged by those responsible for welfare of the people and governance ?
Quite a few would remember President cum Army Chief Musharraf’s egoistic shameful statement ‘ we will hit him from where he does not know/ expect’ ? That was pretty insulting and irresponsible for a head of an instituition and state to use a public forum to threaten the subjects of the state.
I am yet to come across any evidence which can be presented in the court of law to try Nawab Akbar Bugter or Bramdagh. All the Official accusations are in thin air !!!
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In my opinion Brahamdagh Bugti’s statement will be considered treason.
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@shah:
he is just a part.
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@Bloch:
Sir you comment really held me!
otherwise this statement from Brahamdagh Bugti is really DEPLORABLE.. .
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Look who is talking…One who was opposed by his own tribe is trying to become a leader of whole Baloch nation…
Sorry but Baloch are not to obey them anymore…
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@Indikid: yes a plebiscite sounds good. Maybe we can promise one and not honor it for 65 odd years like you guys
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NO BALOCI,
NO SINDHI,
NO PUNJABI,
NO PATHAN,
JUST PAKISTANI..
this is the message that Quaid-e-Azam gave us
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@Indian: Please for the love of God (or whoever you believe in) stop equating RAW with CIA and Mossad. Makes me euphoric.
Balochistan is and will remain part of Pakistan. Period. I live in that province and believe me I know most of us love Pakistan. A statement or three won’t change the facts.Recommend
Pakistani’s should drink tea more and discuss this problem in their drawring rooms more :)
Reality is far away – please if you are seriously concern please visit the camps for missing persons. Dont want to say anymore…
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also hilarious that this man has been photographed meeting RAW officials (as per several former officials, including president musharraf himself) in india. so what is he lying about?
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@Moeed:
Dear sir, most of the dead are not killed by Pakistan forces – they are killed by Afghan, US and Indian agents and then they say ISI and Pak army did it to turn the people against them – this is how you cause unrest – PM Singh himself admitted that India was involved in this game at the Sharm el Sheikh summit with PM Gilani. East Pak was an easy target for the Indians cause of the land distance between West Pak and East Pak. India cannot do anything but pay for sold feudal lords like Bugti to carry out terrorist activities in Balochistan. They know they cannot face Pak army face to face there. Yes wrong has been done to our Baloch brothers by past governments but this time, we will make them our top priority. Imran Khan apologized in front of millions in Karachi and clearly said his first priority will be Balochistan to undo the wrong of the past. What has Bugti done for Balochistan? NOTHING and is sitting in Switzerland.Recommend
The Canadian agencies believe that Pakistan will break up and fragmented with civil wars in the next 20-50 years with islamists and fanatics taking over. Most western countries have alreday made contingency plans as they always do and are ahead in the game of global positioning and economic trends. They also think that Indian successs story and Indian domination will continue whether we like it or not and thats why they have stopped supporting Free Kashmir movement. Even our own bossom friend China is staying away in Kashmir matters.
I think we are heading for a disaster of our own making and not the that of CIA-Mossad-RAW and everybody else as we would like to believe.
I am a pakistani expat, a proud Canadian citizen now and am glad that I am not part of this national consensus on digging our own grave. What hurts me is several expat people like me are dead scared of coming to pakistan evven for a short holiday. It brings tears to my eyes to say that our country is not safe and that we have not learnt from the history (1971, Kargill, Afghanisthan) and now Baluchistan.
Many thanks
Dr Kadar Khan FRCS
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@Ahmad:
Isn’t Pakistan’s friendship with China based on the same principle?
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I can see that for the first time some people in muslim world are fighting for their country and not religion,they must be sane people.Recommend
@blithe:
You are correct. Baluchistan wasn’t an international dispute but now it is. The movement is grabbing worldwide attention
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Is it not enough for opening eyes of government
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Very sad at all the happenings. Yes there should be a talk by all Pakistani Nationals for giving of royality to Baluchistan.
The resources should be given the same international price as we are going to offer other countries.
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i respect this guys courage,.
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It is not about getting an independent state or staying within Pakistan, the question is if Balochistan does become an independent state, will that solve all the problems being faced by Baloch brothers?? I believe it will not unless Balochistan people elect honest people who then work for the betterment of the whole society. This formula is not just restricted for Balochistan for all societies, as this is how societies have evolved over the years.
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I am pashtun/baloch and trust me, the feudal lords want independence for their own good. If independence was wanted by ALL balochi people then tell me why when pakistan wins a cricket match or during august 14th, every part of balochistan is lit up with lights and shouting of “pakistan zindabad!” In kashmir, hundreds of thousands actually protest and most want independence and during cricket majority support pakistan (im not saying that they want to join pakistan though). Baloch and proud pakistani!Recommend
India is not going to intervene, in any way, in Baluchistan. The reason is, India believes that intervention in internal affairs of other countries, unless compelled by an attack or genocide that causes refugee problems, is not good for India. Period. End of discussion.
So for Baluchistan to become a free state, Pakistan has to implode economically from inside, just as soviet union and the constituting units become seperate countries.
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Why people are comparing Kashmir and Balochistan Freedom Movement? Our president is baloch. our PM in 2002 was baloch..Balochistan have 1/4 representation in our Senate..Then why do we have to listen what crooks like Brahamdagh Bugti?
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I can’t believe how people tend to hate their own brothers within the same country and prefer foreign intervention over solution with one’s own brethren. Here the people are neglecting a fact that every one is eager to support the foreign intervention when dollars are raining but in the meanwhile this would lead towards doom. The question is that although balochistan is rich in minerals and stuff and for this you would be asking independence, have you ever thought whether you will have the resources to extract these minerals, and if you do then don’t be naive to think that America will let you use it that easily. A well wisher of the Baloch people is not the one who does not even know the condition of the poor baloch masses who are only used as a source of vote bank or to speak on their behalf for independence, while the majority are worried about earning even a one time meal for their socially and economically depraved family. Have the sardars seen that torment of hunger?No. they just know how to talk like a chatterbox and give statements day after day. He doesn’t even know the consequences of the independence of Balochistan. The moment balochistan parts away from Pakistan, it would be as if a piece of meat thrown in front of furious hungry dogs, and believe me Kashmiri people have atleast kept their land and have created a resistance in front of Indians for long sixty years, Balochistan would stand no chance, and these will be the people who will be having fun with the foreign currency and the common Baloch left to suffer because of their insensitive decision.
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I always think that geographically speaking Pakistan is located at the wrong part of South Asia because the heart of Pakistan movement was in Delhi, UP, Bihar, and Bengal region of British India. I really doubt Balochistan and other tribal lands were ever part of Gupta/Mughal India. Actual boundary of present day Pakistan ends at the Indus river. The area west of Indus river was civilized during Budhhist Gandhara period. There is no way to get rid of their tribal structure overnight. The only option is to accept and respect them the way they are. Civilian Pakistani leadership can definitely solve the problem within Pakistani constitution.
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Less than 1% in Balochistan, the NAWABs, are those who are not happy because they are not receiving those huge sums that they used to receive in the past.
Also, the person who is talking about the poors in Balochistan; his family has been receiving all the money for his tribesmen for government of Pakistan…. Ask him why,other than his family, they never let ANY ONE in his tribe get EDUCATED????? Now when he can see FUDALISM uprooting, then he is crying for intervention…… Power monger!
You are talking about 3 districts; that you and your fellows kept in misery for money…. why you are forgetting the rest of the tribes????? 85% ….. a HUGE majority….. why they are not crying for power like you are??? You are a traitor…. Face it!
Coward….. face the evil deeds…… face the crying of poor that you and your elders kept uneducated and suppressed……
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I feel sorry for the moderators who have to sort through the deluge of comments on this page. Good luck guys lots of crazies here!
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indians still live in fantasy of 71.
Friends, Pakistan of 71 and 12 is very different. That land was separated by 2000+ kms and werent as strong militarily, politically, mentally as we are now. We are aware of all the situations. If you indians still fantasize of seizing Balochistan, Be ready for some pop ups falling like rain water on mumbai and rest of country and not to forget, aside from army, the general pop will be there to slash the throats of intruders.
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Barhamdagh need a hair cut first!
Zardari has to send Lyari boys to talk with the Bugti :-)
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The ultimate solution to all Pak problems: Land Reform and more provinces. Provinces must not be on cultural boundaries like ‘this big guy’ is stupid enough to propose a Siraiki province.
This current situation in Balochistan province, Indian push in US congress, Bughti naming US/India explains all who is actually helping with this killings in the country and whose puppet he actually is.Recommend
If my 60 year old ailing grandfather had been murdered by the state, I’d probably share similar thoughts to Brahamdagh Bugti.
Why did Musharraf congratulate the SSG who carried out the task the day after the killing?
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Our so-called ‘political leadership and military establishment’ are doing the same thing to the Baloch people that they did to the Bengalis and what happened? We were deprived of East Pakistan. Naturally, the Balochis want out as well. Can’t really blame Mr. Bugti…
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Baloch legit demands should be met, on the other hand young and idealist Baloch leaders should be realistic, in my view foreign intervention in domestic issues is not warranted.
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bugti family was taken money from the goverment last 40 to 50 years.did they build any thing for people of balochistan,no they did not all the money they took spend on there family who live out side of the country,wake up this is 22 centry and they want to control the people and there resorcis ,if pakistani realy care about balochi people they should get ride of all the bughti’s and create some thing that people of balochistan control there resorcs not bughti lord.
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Recently the celebrated journalist and human rights wrote about the establishment’s “denial writers”. Knowing the obsessive hatred the Establishment has for Brahamdagh Bugti, its paid scribes appear to be in full force on this page today (using many faces as possible, including so-called ‘Indians” commentators)
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