Hitting back: Govt cooped-up by army fire

Published: January 11, 2012

Kayani, Pasha were respondents in Memo scandal and did not go against Constitution by giving statements, says ISPR.

ISLAMABAD: The prime minister’s remarks during a recent interview seem to have hit a sore spot with the military establishment – remarks that the army on Wednesday explicitly stated could have “serious ramifications.”

In a hard-worded clarification, the army not only rubbished Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani’s accusation that the military and intelligence chiefs had violated the Constitution by submitting replies directly to the court in the Memogate case but also warned of a fallout, which, the statement said, would have “serious ramifications with potential grievous consequences for the country.”

The Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) statement triggered alarm in the country, which was accentuated by the fact that Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani had held meetings with top commanders before it was released.

It is learnt that Gen Kayani had made an attempt to persuade the prime minister to retract his remarks before the ISPR issued a statement.

Gilani himself confirmed that Kayani telephoned him about the army’s reaction.

Sources said the prime minister refused to budge from his position, stating that he stood by his statement.

However, the army chose to differ with the country’s chief executive by saying that there can be no allegations more serious than “what the Honourable Prime Minister has leveled against COAS and DG ISI and has unfortunately charged the officers for violation of the Constitution of the Country.”

A military official, who asked to remain anonymous due to the sensitivity of the issue, said that Gen Kayani will further consult close military aides in the next 24 hours to discuss the current situation.

The official added that the army chief was confident that the government will not make any move to sack him. If the government does take such a step, however, the army can explore the option of moving the Supreme Court on the issue, the official maintained.

Interestingly, a petition has already been moved in the Islamabad High Court seeking the judiciary’s order to restrain the government from dismissing military and intelligence chiefs.

Earlier, in a dramatic turn of events, the replacement of the head of 111 Brigade triggered widespread speculations that army was on the move.

However, the ISPR described the appointment of Brigadier Sarfraz as ‘routine affair’ and had nothing to do with the deepening tensions between the military and civil leadership.

The 111 Brigade was instrumental in taking control of key installations in the capital during past military coups.

No martyrs

Another senior official told The Express Tribune that the army will not seek direct intervention to oust the civilian government despite their strong reaction to recent remarks by Prime Minister Gilani.

The official added that if General Kayani had other plans the army would not have issued a rejoinder.

The official disclosed that there was a considered view among the hierarchy of the military that the government was making deliberate attempts to provoke the army to resort to ‘unconstitutional steps’.

“The army is not going to fall in the government’s trap. We are not going to make them political martyrs,” he added.

ISPR statement

It further stated the prime minister’s statement did not take into account important facts, including the fact that the COAS and DG ISI were cited as respondents in the petitions in the memo case and the Supreme Court served notices directly to them.

“This was not objected to by the learned Attorney General of Pakistan,” it added.

It said the army and ISI chiefs sent their replies to the defense ministry and onward submission to the Supreme Court through the attorney general.

The ISPR statement also  referred to a meeting between the prime minister and the COAS, where Prime Minister Gilani had publicly stated through a press release on December 16, 2011 that the replies submitted were through a ‘proper channel and in accordance with the rules of business’.  No objections were raised before and thereafter, on the legality and constitutional status of the replies, at any time, during the last more than three weeks of hearing of the case by the Supreme Court.

It is also categorically stated that the COAS and DG ISI in their response to the Supreme Court were obliged to state facts as known to them, on the Memo issue.

“The issue of jurisdiction and maintainability of the petitions was between the Honourable Supreme Court and the Federation.”

“Any expectation that COAS will not state the facts is neither Constitutional nor legal.  Allegiance to State and the Constitution is and will always remain prime consideration for the Respondent, who in this case has followed the book,” the statement concluded.

Published in The Express Tribune, January 12th, 2012.

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Reader Comments (127)

  • ishaq
    Jan 11, 2012 - 4:36PM

    Army and ISI should Join Political Parties Now!!!!!

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  • Bilafond
    Jan 11, 2012 - 4:40PM

    Confused government.

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  • Hedgefunder
    Jan 11, 2012 - 4:43PM

    Yes indeed, they are very serious ! So now perhaps the grounds has been laid for the takeover, by the Army in the Interest of Nation’s well being !!!

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  • Err
    Jan 11, 2012 - 4:45PM

    PPP is deliberately trying to provoke the army into taking extra-constitutional so that they can play the martyrs for votes. Last time they capitalised BB’s death for victory, however this time their absolute incompetence and corruption, not to mention the fact that they are right now cornered in both the NRO and memogate case (due to their own fault) they have nothing to bank on for the next elections. Going out as martyrs of coup will be the best thing to happen to them. The army is doing a sensible thing letting the court handle this, after all, this party is bent on self destructing and wont last too long.Recommend

  • muhammd jibran
    Jan 11, 2012 - 4:45PM

    ppp is trying to put the blame for their govt’s departure on punjab.it’s an all out effort to encircle punjab.now everything will be blamed on the army and judiciary.now benazir’s murder will also be blamed on punjabis.Recommend

  • Jan 11, 2012 - 4:45PM

    This time you have to give it to the army, they did not do anything wrong by replying back to the SC. It is very important for SC to move forward, it will set precedence of strong judiciary, capable of accounting the big lords and generals. For those calling it Army + Judiciary alliance, please stop fooling yourself.

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  • Hunzai
    Jan 11, 2012 - 4:45PM

    The Government has already lost its legitimacy after Epic Court verdict. The Government should resign and the country must go for election. The Public will decide the fate the present regime.

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  • Ammar Khan
    Jan 11, 2012 - 4:46PM

    Bye Bye PPP.

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  • Annoyed
    Jan 11, 2012 - 4:47PM

    Another good topic for talk show hosts to en cash and play on!!

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  • Khan
    Jan 11, 2012 - 4:48PM

    They are trying to make them shaheed now,no more deception to the public.

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  • Secret Agent
    Jan 11, 2012 - 4:50PM

    Honour, Dignity , Honesty for sale in Pakistan by Peoples Party. We Pakistani stakholders need to Learn from Manmohan Singh, Mossad , CIA

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  • Hunzai
    Jan 11, 2012 - 4:51PM

    The Government should resign, elections should be held and public will decide the fate of this Government.

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  • ashok sai
    Jan 11, 2012 - 4:52PM

    Soft Coup Ver 2.0, upgraded with Constitutional plug-ins.

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  • Ammar Khan
    Jan 11, 2012 - 4:53PM

    Bye Bye PPP

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  • PEACE
    Jan 11, 2012 - 4:55PM

    Pakistan military coup 2012 !!!! I think this headline is not far away !!!

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  • Anserali Khan
    Jan 11, 2012 - 4:57PM

    Indeed the allegations were very serious and un-called for.This statement of PM in one form or the other was carried by International press widely.

    Mere apology from PM will just not do as his statement to Chinese media has caused serious damage to the standing and prestige of our armed forces both locally and Internationally.

    And the main accused of Memogate Mr Hussain Haqani is being protected in PM house

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  • Imran
    Jan 11, 2012 - 4:59PM

    Of course they are serious. The prime minister was not joking. If you were responding in a personal capacity, then why did you disclose the information that was part of the official secrets.

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  • Hashmi
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:01PM

    It is incompetencies and blunders like these that cause the Army to take the political route again and again.

    All dictatorships have been caused by foolish political manoeuvring by incompetent political parties

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  • Farooq
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:01PM

    I am as opposed to martial law as the next guy but, seriously, what was Gilani thinking? That was an outrageous accusation to make. And it was baseless because Kayani and Pasha were respondents and had to respond to the Supreme Court. I am a DMG officer and can quote dozens of instances from my own experience when federal/provincial secretaries made direct responses to the courts without going through the Prime Minister or Chief Minister. In short, there was nothing unconstitutional about COAS and DG ISI’s responses. The government is intent on a “martyrdom operation”. This was its latest provocation to achieve that.

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  • SalSal
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:02PM

    Army is not going to takeover. The court will tell that another president is needed. An interim govt is needed.

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  • Megatron
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:03PM

    @ishaq:
    For what???

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  • Mr T
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:03PM

    What a big shame, the army is openly threatening the government of a takeover. what a pathetic country we are. We would be better off without you.Recommend

  • Megatron
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:04PM

    @Hedgefunder:
    yes….they should takever so that something is leftover in Pakistan….

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  • Aly Zaman
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:04PM

    No one wants to see Martial Law but lets be honest…”the boys” have cause to feel aggrieved in this case. That was a ridiculous allegation by Gilani.

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  • Megatron
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:05PM

    army or ISI should not respond to non-serious lot…

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  • Alfred jan
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:06PM

    Its better to be Army or anybody than these Recommend

  • apj
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:07PM

    Gilani take more u-turns than a car on a main roud possibly could.

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  • MAHER ALI
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:08PM

    After this RIP PPP..

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  • Ali Tipu
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:09PM

    PPP is trying its level best for an Army intervention so that they could become political martyrs as otherwise they have failed miserably. But hats off to Kayani that he didnt succumb to these tactics. One of the very few Generals that I have ever liked in Pakistan Army.I hope he will remain calm and cool and not be tempted to do something silly after this latest rhetoric and highly irresponsible statement by Gillani. Let the government die its own death, a natural one.

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  • Megatron
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:11PM

    long live PAk army and ISI…democracy is the best revenge taken by PPP/PML(N)/MQM/ANP against the public & institutions of Pakistan…It’s high time for PPP coalition partners to leave the coalitions otherwise their fate is very bleak….

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  • Kashif Iqbal
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:16PM

    Incompetent government inviting military to power. At the same time, military should remain in a circle called “Constitution”. If army takes over my dearest country, I’ll come out on the streets with a slogan “GO ARMY GO”.

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  • Jan 11, 2012 - 5:19PM

    This is exactly how Gen. Musharraf was compelled by Nawaz Sharif to take over/oust the govt. in 1999.

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  • Jan 11, 2012 - 5:20PM

    by the way.. who asked for ISPR’s opinion?

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  • mk
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:21PM

    It seems the government is trying to commit suicide.They cant bear to live with there dismal performance.

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  • Megatron
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:22PM

    @Anserali Khan:
    Well-said

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  • Jan 11, 2012 - 5:23PM

    PPP is playing the most dirty politics ever..shame on them.

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  • Faraz
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:23PM

    All are Drama, Govt. will complete its time

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  • Uzair
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:29PM

    Well……..is somebody listening the voice of boots?

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  • H
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:31PM

    @Hashmi – please understand how political governments are cornered and pressurized and these situations are created.

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  • salim
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:33PM

    @muhammd jibran:
    The army is doing great but your comment based on etinic politics is uncalled for. In fact many say that Nawaz is spearheading what’s happening.

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  • MAHER ALI
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:37PM

    Yeh Cheeiz mere aziz.. What a title picture…

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  • Bluejay
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:37PM

    Is army taking over again and putting Pakistan in tailspin once again ?we hope no repeat of 1965,1971 or Kargil again .

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  • Haider
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:38PM

    I am sorry, it’s hard to sympathise with the civilian government this time. They have a confirmed “death wish”. If anything it’s a sign that our political culture has evolved that the army has resisted the temptation to grant them that wish so far.Recommend

  • sara
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:40PM

    @Farooq: “Martyrdom operation”…well said:)

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  • double-standard
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:41PM

    clear as water ..they are seducing army n isi to take action ..

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  • cc
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:47PM

    they wanted army to take over now..so they could have lame excuse to be in power again…Jhamoriyat ka qatal ho gaya :D

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  • sara
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:47PM

    Wow, PM has now sacked defence secretary. My God, PPP is desperate to be kicked out and play the “victim” card.

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  • jan
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:49PM

    @ishaq:
    well…. just use commonsense……. the ISPR has clearly stated the situation but even then you will not believe….. PM changes his statements within every day just as he changes his suites….. you are blind…reallyRecommend

  • Mohammad Ali Siddiqui
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:50PM

    The PPP government is coming close the wrap up its affairs.

    General Musharraf will be the next President of interim government.

    PPP Ka Allah Hi Hafiz Hai.

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  • sohail
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:50PM

    This is one of the nonsense act done by PM. He has been it since he is in power. A real corrupt Govt. Whatever we comment is less for them. Their accidental Govt is governing on shaheeds only & nothing else.

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  • zahid iqbal
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:51PM

    ppp goverment has failed in all field,so govt want to get favour of public through army attack.

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  • Jan 11, 2012 - 5:54PM

    @muhammd jibran: Raising a boggy in the name of PUJAB. Old tricks are out again. How Punjab has jumped in this matter??

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  • Ahmad
    Jan 11, 2012 - 5:55PM

    I never thought I’d live to see the day when a civilian government would be literally inviting martial law!

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  • ABC
    Jan 11, 2012 - 6:03PM

    PPP is dragging army into politics so that they have a soft exit. Army should not take over and let the SC decide. Also the SC should take action on irresponsible statements by PM as it’s a matter of another impeding martial law in the country.

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  • Zzzz
    Jan 11, 2012 - 6:11PM

    na army, na democracy, na chief sahab, we the people should come out to stop this “Mutual Agreement for Destruction” between the instituitions.

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  • Hedgefunder
    Jan 11, 2012 - 6:13PM

    Pakistan People’s Party Zindabad ! We, Indians, support PPP in principle and will do anything to ensure it stays in power !!!

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  • Jan 11, 2012 - 6:14PM

    ISPR says ““very serious ramifications with potentially grievous consequences for the country” Now if a general, a government servant, is miss behaving with a constitutional government then where from “grievous consequences to the country” has jumped in. Such statements in a democratic country should be condemned seriously as an open threat . That is the only democratic justice.Recommend

  • Ayesha
    Jan 11, 2012 - 6:17PM

    @Ahmad: Yes. The PPP thinks people are such fools they will fall for the Sindh/victim card again. I don’t think so.

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  • sara panni
    Jan 11, 2012 - 6:18PM

    this is the time when people of Pakistan unite against PPP…..

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  • Farhan
    Jan 11, 2012 - 6:19PM

    Agreed that govt is weak. But who are generals to dictate democratic govt on foreign policy, trade with India, etc. Who are generals to decide which political party to rule pak and what not. Who are generals to tell politicians which party they should join or which not.

    I am not fan of present govt, but seriously the generals are not doing any good to the democracy either. Recommend

  • Jan 11, 2012 - 6:26PM

    Those blaming the army. What do you expect from them? they just complied to the SCs order, and are still saying they will follow it. This is where we fail, we follow parties blindly based on race, caste, religion. We are not willing to accept them as corrupt!

    Army has not done anything nor SC, they all are part of a case that is being carried out in court, yet PM comes out babbling stuff here and there. Recommend

  • Ayesha
    Jan 11, 2012 - 6:27PM

    @Hedgefunder: Haha…brilliant

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  • MAS
    Jan 11, 2012 - 6:28PM

    really don’t care about democracy, we want security and jobs and there always have been plenty of both in military rule

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  • Ahmad
    Jan 11, 2012 - 6:29PM

    Who cares what the ISPR thinks? What exactly is their mandate in this situation? Absolutely zeroRecommend

  • Ranjit
    Jan 11, 2012 - 6:34PM

    Yaar Pakis, its time you guys admitted that it is beyond your capability to run a country…..you have made a laughing stock of yourselves…….in 2012 you are still talking of coups after 60 years of independence…….this is just embarassing……..every other third world nation, even arab countries are moving towards democracy and you guys are still stuck in the army coups……
    yeh mulk chalana tumhare bas ki baat nahi hai……..Recommend

  • Akbar Khan
    Jan 11, 2012 - 6:35PM

    This is what happens when a professional (least corrupt institutions) deal with corrupt leadership.
    It is getting serious now. PAKISTAN ARMY should let the country go down the drain and focus on COUNTRY security, otherwise PAKISTAN ARMY will suffer which will be destruction of PAKISTAN. As far as my opinion is concerned, I strongly believe that ARMY has gone the legal and constitutional route where as Govt is doing is ILLEGAL WAY.

    May Allah Bless PAKISTAN.Recommend

  • adeel759
    Jan 11, 2012 - 6:37PM

    PPP hasn’t played right games yet there is simply no need for the Army to take over if they have this unconstitutional act in their minds.

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  • Kazmis
    Jan 11, 2012 - 6:37PM

    It is really a new era for Pakistan. In past if anything is said against COS or other big general, the PM would definitely been sacked. Now these big people are highly tolerant, as well as Government is also have big heart. People are breaking constitution and doing illegal actions but they are even holding high valued seats.

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  • Mohammad
    Jan 11, 2012 - 6:44PM

    there are thousands of people right now requesting Army to take over!! CJ has already proved that President and Prime Ministers are not honest..Recommend

  • Ishrat Salim
    Jan 11, 2012 - 6:44PM

    Reply to ISPR…it is the official information dept of the Army ( just in case u do not know ) & it had to give rejoinder to the statement given by our hon`bl PM that the reply submitted to SC by COAS & DG ISI is ” illegal & unconstitutional “.Their reply was submitted thru ministry of defence & the AG office who in turn sent the reply to SC…this action had to be clarified…by the way….is our PM so stupid that he had to give his opinion in the foreign press ( the Chinese reporters )when COAS was on an official visit to China…?? does this action matches PM`s stature…?? what is our hon`bl PM trying to prove…?? what msg has he given to the world…?? so , now PM statement need to be clarified….& now what msg has gone to the world ?….that govt is incompetent & does not know what to say ” when “.Recommend

  • adeel759
    Jan 11, 2012 - 6:44PM

    Where are you Nawaz Sharif, this is another coup in the making, come out and issue a very strong statement against any coup de tat. For God sake, Mian Sahib, we know you are waiting for your turn but this would be disaster if you dont rescue democracy now

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  • plaintalk
    Jan 11, 2012 - 6:46PM

    Why did Gilani traduce the army chief before a Chinese newspaper when Kayani was visiting China, unless it was to humiliate him before his guests?

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  • Ayaz Munir
    Jan 11, 2012 - 6:47PM

    The whole world is interested in one memo gate forgetting millions of Problems in pakistan

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  • Umer
    Jan 11, 2012 - 7:05PM

    @Err:

    PPP is deliberately trying to provoke
    the army into taking
    extra-constitutional

    Are you serious? What has Army got to do with affairs of state to start with and then on top to do any unconstitutional act?

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  • Imran
    Jan 11, 2012 - 7:19PM

    The army has been patient n very professional in this matter. The ISPR hasnt been releasing statements to destabilise the govt and more importantly the country. While on the other hand the govt has been unprofessional n looking for an open tit for tat war of words. Recommend

  • Kamran
    Jan 11, 2012 - 7:20PM

    COAS and ISI chief are government officials. If PM had “required” that their responses be submitted to court through proper channel, they had the obligation to obey, unless court had explicitly directed them otherwise. The tone and the content of the ISPR statement is not only uncalled for but illegal and unconstitutional. And, reading many of the comments here, I really feel sorry for Pakistan where some officers in an institution (that comes under the government) is not only defying the authority but actually threatening it and “educated” people don’t take notice of it.

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  • Hedgefunder
    Jan 11, 2012 - 7:28PM

    Having read some of the comments here, since my earlier comment.
    I just realised that what the Army should do is stand in elections as party and let’s all see the votebank’s response to them ! As there will be no half measures, either it will get the mandate to run the country as efficiently as it does its commercial business operations or it will fail miserably! But it simply can not sit on sidelines and rule the country, as that’s not very democratic ! In event they don’t get the mandate, then they have to follow normal procedures as in any democracy, that they are answerable to Defence Ministry and take their orders from them too, hence the permanent fears of coups with be eradicated !
    In long term interest of this nation, this matter has to be solved, as the majority of resources simply can not be allocated to support an institution, that consist of less than 1% of the
    Can people of Pakistan and the Army agree on this, in the Long Term interest of the Nation, Economically and Stability wise???
    Otherwise nothing will change in Pakistan for decades to come, that is if it exist in its current form !

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  • Maulana Diesel
    Jan 11, 2012 - 7:28PM

    i dont understand….there is a democratic process in place that will allow a government to be replaced by a vote of no confidence. If the public is so anti the government why don’t the opposition get a vote of no confidence rather than firing a gun from the shoulders of the supreme court.

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  • A Ali
    Jan 11, 2012 - 7:30PM

    I Beg Not another Dictator Please.

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  • DroneAcharya
    Jan 11, 2012 - 7:34PM

    Pakistan is trapped under the bear hug of the military. There is no way it can squirm out of it.

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  • Bored
    Jan 11, 2012 - 7:34PM

    @Mohammad: in exactly which trial has the CJ “proved” anything? all he has done is accuse the head of the govt of being dishonest, without conducting any trial. if anyone says that about the CJ he holds them in contempt.

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  • Umer
    Jan 11, 2012 - 7:36PM

    Cmon army do something, save Pakistan from this ” democracy”!!

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  • Humayun Pervez
    Jan 11, 2012 - 7:40PM

    @ishaq:

    I think for once the Army is trying its best to be clear off Politics but this Government is trying its best to become a Martyr again, as always. And inspite all the options SC and GHQ are both acting with restraint. But PPP is bent on testing everyones limits.

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  • vasan
    Jan 11, 2012 - 7:42PM

    Most of the comments against the civil govt seem to have an inclination towards an Army rule. That will be disastrous. People can complain about PPP govt and demand an early election. But Army has nothing to do with it. It must obey the party in power. Period. They have no business to drag the govt to a fight. It is the opposition’s and the court’s duty to take the govt to task for any misdoings. Army should be out and out.

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  • Jan 11, 2012 - 7:49PM

    @vasan: please its our internal matter

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  • Hamid Umair
    Jan 11, 2012 - 7:51PM

    Pakistan does deserve incompetent PPP because unfortunately we elected it. So whether they dismiss Army Chief or DG ISI its their constitutional right. Like every civilized nation we should also try to limit role of Army who have ruined this country. Afterwards Paksitanis should elect honest and competent leaders. This is the only way. Army should keep itself away from Politics. We should built strong democratic values. Further PPP should respect Apex court verdict and upon not compying its government can be sacked. Its perfectly constitutional and legitimate. May Allah protect our country and give people of it wisdom to select right peopleRecommend

  • babar
    Jan 11, 2012 - 7:53PM

    kyani is right but no more general as our president.. had enough of it.let Gillani complete his term. if some one is willing to suicide then y kill them, become killer n make them shaheed.. enough of shaheeds as well. let gillani expose PPP and its dirty blackmail politics. Kyani shd nt do any thing what so ever.. all he can do is to ensure fair n free elections in the presence of army without election without any interference.. imran khan will win if there will b fair elections anyway. let people decide what is right once atleast in history

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  • Ashvinn
    Jan 11, 2012 - 7:56PM

    Perception of taint often makes even angles look like demons. Question is why was the defence Sec removed what was the intent ? Also is the defence Sec a political appointee , if so how dismissing lead to a statement from ISPR. Also what was the need for Pm gilani to give a interview when kayani was visiting china, if he found COAS unfit to do his job ,all needs to do is terminate his services not insult the institution of Army. Hopefully things get sorted out some stability returns to Pakistan

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  • Hedgefunder
    Jan 11, 2012 - 8:02PM

    @vasan:
    This is an Normal Army, we are talking about ! For god’s sake. look at their track record since they achieved independence ! The Costitution has been abused from the start by whoever is power for self interests!
    One only has to see the level of resources that this Elite Club claims from the Pot, annually to realise that, this is Luxury this impoverished Nation can simply not sustain without assistance from outside, hence the foreign policy of playing games and begging.
    But what about the rest of 180 million people ?
    Having Nukes simply gives them attention, but that where it stops in reality !

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  • Menon
    Jan 11, 2012 - 8:16PM

    In every successful and functioning democracy, the Khaki’s take orders from the elected government and not the other way around. Until you people learn how democracy should work, you will never have democracy so, cut the crap and accept military rule and stop whining when things don’t go well. You were all ecstatic when Mushy overthrew Nawaz and later you turned against him.

    Pakistani’s should give up the pretense of wanting democracy and freedom and embrace Military rule and eventually Pakistan will become the Kingdom of Pakistan like the middle east, which most of your maspiration anyhow.

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  • Pakistani
    Jan 11, 2012 - 8:20PM

    PPP wants to get taken over by army so that they can have sympathy vote for next election

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  • Menon
    Jan 11, 2012 - 8:23PM

    @mentelisco:

    Yes they did, in democracies military and intelligence service is under civilian control and the response will be provided by the Ministry of Defense/defense ministry and not by the military and intelligence agency directly. Your supreme court , they should have directed the Khaki’s to file it through the ministry of defense. The supreme court itself broke the the constitutio, that is if you have such a thing in existence.

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  • Menon
    Jan 11, 2012 - 8:29PM

    @SalSal:

    So the court is the government now! Fantastic.

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  • Ismat
    Jan 11, 2012 - 8:32PM

    Bring back Mush and Shaukat Azeez ,The best couple for GDP growth and economic prosperity of Pakistan. Pakistan wasn’t a laughing stock during their government . Economy grew more than double during their period in government.

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  • Raj - USA
    Jan 11, 2012 - 8:44PM

    When PPP came to power this time, I was not much in favor and disliked their corruption and political maneuvering. Did not like particularly how Zardari became President on the strength of BB’s will which no one has seen. But has the Army kept itself out of political corruption? Just recall Zia’s referendum and the reasoning of the questions in the referendum. Has Mushharff’s referendum clean? However, my respect for Zardari and PPP has gone up several folds now and I really admire their boldness and courage in handling this most dangerous situation. The army has teamed up with the SC and formed convenient alliances of PMLN but PPP is fighting for their survival without any arms or military power. Irrespective of the controversies of the memogate, the army and ISI have generally proved what the fears expressed in the memo are correct. I also fail to understand the logic that Kayani’s State Visit to China and holding discussions as a de-facto head of State of Pakistan does not undermine the civilian government but Gillani’s statement undermines the Army. I also feel that Musharraf, even if he returns to Pakistan cannot do much. Just recall the days that followed immediately after Musharraf’s take over last time. Remember President Clinton’s visit to Pakistan and his direct address to Pakistanis, from within Pakistan, on the national TV? The whole world shunned him and Pakistan. It was his good luck that the events after 9/11 gave him a golden opportunity and he was able to revive the economy. It won’t happen this time around.

    On an unrelated subject, I also feel that the Mullas who support terror and preach flawed religion are not as much popular in Pakistan as is perceived. This is the reason that religious parties have not been able to show much success in the elections. They are so repulsive to most Pakistanis that even the Army could not help them gain political powerRecommend

  • A. Khan
    Jan 11, 2012 - 9:12PM

    PPP is setting up conditions to be ousted so they can claim the martyr label again. Never again should they be allowed to do that. Let them complete their term or better yet resign as they are too incompetent and corrupt to do any good for this country.

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  • Jan 11, 2012 - 9:17PM

    As a sufferer and victim of several Martial laws ‘ now we must not be changing the right path to democratic system of governance. Let Judiciary’ to give guidance and a way forward.

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  • Hu Jintao
    Jan 11, 2012 - 9:45PM

    I would prefer Military rule over Sham-Democratic rule

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  • hamza khan
    Jan 11, 2012 - 9:48PM

    @SalSal:

    make imran khan the interim PM. hahaha…

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  • Jan 11, 2012 - 10:12PM

    PRISONERS IN RULES: It is known to every one in the world, that at this time, almost all the ruling persons in Pakistan especially in PPP are ex-prisoners. For Example Mr.Zardari remained a long time behind the bars. Similar is the situation with Mr.Gallani P.M. Rehman Malik also remained in Jail. So many others are also birds of the same feather. Their experience and cleverness engaged the higher courts i.e High Court and Apex Supreme Court almost four years and that too relating to the Federal matters. Still the players and their lawyers intended not only to trap the whole system including the judiciary. Our COAS was in China when our chief executive Mr.Gallani issued statement that COAS and DG ISI have violated the constitution. This is not an ordinary matter. It is relating to the integrity and security of our great country. The person i.e responsible person like prime minister should not have given such like statements. It appears that PM and his allies are pregnant with grudge not only against judiciary but also pak Army. I am clear in my mind that the PPP government has thrown 20 years back to this country.
    It is also a matter of great concern that despite clear directions and orders of High Court, Lahore, our President is involved in politics and is saving PPP while factually his seat and office job does not allow him to do so. The spokesmen of PPP are also not trustworthy and how long the people should wait. Today’s decision of removal of secretary defence also game play. The gammers of PPP think that they would avoid the situation by game play but the time has already passed and only few days are left for them. I pray to Almighty Allah to save this country. The Hon’ble Chief justice and his team have made very wise decisions but implemention on government side is zero, rather throughout the conduct of the government remained very contemptuous one. The PPP present rulers have not only betrayed the confidence of people of Pakistan but also a source for destruction of material organs of the state. If now they tried to make any other game, really the people will not spare them. Shame on those who are ill advising and ill thinking.Recommend

  • lida
    Jan 11, 2012 - 10:23PM

    if army takes over then PPP will cry foul and say we were negotiating with supreme court and army.

    PPP comes out being the victim and benefits.

    best thing is Army needs to stay out and Supreme court should take action.

    so PTI wins and all can live happily ever after ….

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  • Ibrahim Husain
    Jan 11, 2012 - 10:24PM

    Yes you are completely right , they are playing the martyrs game .I have a feeling that even if the supreme court constitutionally dissolves the parliament , these will still play the martyr card .@Err: Recommend

  • ZM
    Jan 11, 2012 - 11:16PM

    Distrust between civilian leaders n generals has bedeviled the Pakistan for almost its entire existence. Its not new right now…. Kiyani last month dismissed coup rumors as speculation & said the army supported democracy ….. & Zardari sahab returned after about two weeks….! This is hard to intimate any thing before, b/c conjectures are never inferable to the reality . & govt should complete its time period, this will be in the favor of Pakistani politics. As Imran Khan too announced that PTI will never support any unconstitutional step by army.

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  • Tahir
    Jan 11, 2012 - 11:30PM

    @Hedgefunder:
    No, I don’t agree. Instead people should mobilize to bring down the Govt and ask for fair and just elections to bring in men of character to the Parliament.

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  • Hafeez
    Jan 12, 2012 - 12:09AM

    I dont think Army will take over. However, judiciary will do this job for army.

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  • salman
    Jan 12, 2012 - 12:30AM

    If the PM really thinks that COAS and DG ISI have violated the constitution then he should invoke article 6 or at least sent them home. Otherwise he himself should resign or wait for a exit in the most unfortunate circumstances .

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  • Abdul
    Jan 12, 2012 - 12:49AM

    is ISI going to register as political party ? im going to vote ISI next election

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  • Abizaib
    Jan 12, 2012 - 12:58AM

    @Raj – USA:

    It appears your respect for Zardari and Co is based on their direct confronation with the Army and ISI – other than that I see nothing else in your comments.

    Come live in Pakistan for 48 hours only and you will change your mind faster than you can think. I challenge you.

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  • Aftab kenneth Wilson
    Jan 12, 2012 - 1:11AM

    SC is laying down constitutional ground for ” Maray Aziz Hum Watnon” so that we may enter into some deep black hole.

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  • Aliya
    Jan 12, 2012 - 1:21AM

    Gilani is probably sick of the army always meddling in the affairs. The army needs to backout, it has lost the memo gate scandal and Pakistani people are not interested in them ruling over again. Miltary is suppose to be under the civilians and the army needs to realize that.

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  • Blithe
    Jan 12, 2012 - 1:46AM

    @Pakistani Hindu:
    Wrong mate!
    This has no parallel with Musharraf takeover.
    Musharraf took over because he did not
    want to be held accountable for Kargil.

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  • Amjad
    Jan 12, 2012 - 3:51AM

    This country can only survive when parliement is supreme , all other avenues will lead to disaster which no one will be able to control
    Punjabi elite must learn it now.

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  • Hasan
    Jan 12, 2012 - 4:01AM

    I keep reading the following sentence:
    “PPP wants to get taken over by army so that they can have sympathy vote for next election.”
    Are Pakistani’s that silly that they will forget the incompetent PPP administration that has brought Pakistan to its knees!

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  • roma
    Jan 12, 2012 - 4:13AM

    all this is building up to a climax just before the return of ex Gen Musharraf ….. is he part of it ? the timing seems to be just perfect – for him that is

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  • dr j tipu
    Jan 12, 2012 - 6:32AM

    after seeing the pathetic performance of the most corrupt government with almost all ministers mega corrupt, I would stand strong with army if they remove such garbage and replace them with some good people, who can work for the nation and not their selfish gainsRecommend

  • Raj - USA
    Jan 12, 2012 - 6:34AM

    @Abizaib:

    I think you are correct in your assessment as to my reasons for supporting Zardari. It is really very sad that the options for Pakistanis are very limited – corrupt politicians on the one side and power hungry military who whats the entire population to be their slaves on the other side. India also has this problem of corrupt politicians but some checks and balances are evolving. Still India has a long way to go.

    As for Pakistan, IK looks like the best chance, if only he is able to keep the promises he has made. Overall, he has a good team with the exception of SMQ. I really liked what Hassan Nisar said about IK – “Allah Na Karey Imran Nakaam Ho”. I sincerely wish Hassan Nisar’s prayers are answered and IK is has the strength to keep his promises.

    Wish the best for the citizens of Pakistan.

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  • DroneAcharya
    Jan 12, 2012 - 6:53AM

    No nation in the world has EVER developed under military rule !
    Democracy is always bad in the beginning but it is the only answer. Unless Pakistan has 4 to 5 consecutive democratic governments, democracy will not mature.

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  • John
    Jan 12, 2012 - 7:10AM

    I think the time for CALIPHATE has come for pakistan… Recommend

  • Jan 12, 2012 - 7:29AM

    @Hedgefunder: Yea! We are waiting patiently for the army to act for the country. Salams

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  • Literati
    Jan 12, 2012 - 8:25AM

    Bye Bye PPP
    Even though i am not in favor of this it seems like the next line-up will be Mush as President and IK as PM

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  • Jan 12, 2012 - 9:54AM

    @Kamran: Kamran I wish your comments are taken seriously and understood by all who are shouting in favour of army arrogance.

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  • RizwanTKhan
    Jan 12, 2012 - 9:57AM

    Army should not make a foolish move by taking over. We all have passed these 4 yrs with extreme hardship and pain. Lets finish this last year.

    Army should be rationale, not emotional.Recommend

  • Zuhair Raza
    Jan 12, 2012 - 12:33PM

    Salute to Army for its patience and fortitude…..

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  • Circus circus
    Jan 12, 2012 - 3:52PM

    Truly the theatre of the absurd unravelling in pakistan. Now no one cares who takes over the country. The USA says it doesnt comment,as Its an internal matter for pakistan. Frankly World should let pskistan sort it out themselves, whether gillani or kayani should be boss. or they muddle along like this only.
    politics is least on the mind of the poor. they need daily food. if third world countries could progress with ease, they would have become first world by now. Probably it will take Pakistan and other developing countries including China and india another 25 years if not more. The poor have to just rough it out.
    Meanwhile let the generals and politicians have a ball in life!

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  • Jan 12, 2012 - 5:10PM

    India and Pakistan both are riddled with corrupt politicians and it is natural that most of get fed up and look for quick fixes. Sad but true, after so many experiments, the world has not yet been able to find a better replacement to democracy. Only thing we have to wait for people to be vigilant and educated. well the best course for a bright and stable future of Pakistan is not to let this historical moment slip away and stick to democracy once and for all.

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  • Tahir
    Jan 12, 2012 - 9:50PM

    @Aliya:

    Had he managed the affairs of the sate with prudence, this situation would not have arrived. What do you mean the army has lost the memogate? Army is one of the party in the row not the alleged culprit and the Army is not interested in ruling. I wish Mr PM had displayed 50% of activism that he is showcasing these days during the last 3-4 years to rid this Nation of miseries. They would not have plunged Pakistan in the predicament that we are witnessing today. Had worthy PM endeavoured to even reduce the corruption in ranks and files of his Govt to half and spent it on people of Pakistan, the same people would have been standing behind this Govt like an iron wall! But instead PPP chose to adopt the course where they could become martyr again. This has been acme of PPP since death of Mr Bhutto. Recommend

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