Voices of dissent: Kashmiri leader rejects MFN status for India

I too have the right to dissent and I hereby reject Earth’s status as a planet

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The grand old man of Kashmir has the habit of spitting venom every time he speaks and he would rather have perpetual animosity between India and Pakistan. The question that he should be addressing here is: Who gains the most by the recent decision on MFN? Is it US? NO. It is the common man on both sides of the border.

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Syed Ali Geelani is a considerate man towards the Arabs. He wants to protect Indo-UAE trade. He does not want Dubai to lose out on its status as intermediary in Indo-Pak commerce, being the hub for “unregulated trade routed through third country”.

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Expected, he’s the same gentalman who had called for a bandh after Laden’s death. The economy of India is growing at a rapid pace even without the MFN status, MFN would just be a drop in the ocean please realize that.

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He takes pension from the Indian state since he was once an MLA. Now, he should first show courage and refuse the pension. Secondly, his statement that Islam is being suppressed in Indian kashmir is a blatant lie. Thus, this old man is fast becoming a joke.

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We are all with Kashmiris, but did they revolt in 1965, sorry they didnt, these leaders have not been able to give back. They are just enjoying luxuries from our money.

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Who is he? Is he from Balochistan?? Sindhudesh?? Pakhtunistan?? Balawaristan?? What is his nationality??

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I am Glad to see all these Hindu trolls getting so upset by Syed Gelani’s comments. Hindu is no friend of Muslims that should never be forgotten. Whether, they are Muslims from Subcontinent or anywhere else in the world. Gelani is absolutely right because Pakistani Govt. is doing it on US pressure. Otherwise the Pakistanis Stands with their Kashmiri Brothers and sisters who has been under absolute repression and genocide for the last 25 years. Pakistani Govt. can do whatever it likes on the paper with India, But It will never reach any significant volume until India do not stop killing Kashmiris. People of Pakistan Know the true Intention of Hindu Rule and they are determined not to allow India to anything into or through pakistani Soil Until Kashmiris Suffers under Hindu terrorist Rule.

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Express tribune scks using Endian terms “hardline Kashmiri leader” against real leadership facing armed forces of Endia…..

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We should ignore him guys. Its the age which is speaking here. He reminds me so much of Bal Thackrey of Mumbai.

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Under whose pressure Mr. Gilani is making this statement? Politicians specially the spent one like Musharraf and Gilani have a knack of making statements to remain in news.

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There is deep rooted skepticism, hatred, brainwash and lot of misinformation doing around about Kashmir, about India and about Pakistan in both of countries and Kashmir. Please do read the history objectively or who have at least written objectively.

Never ever Hindus have been enemy of Islam and vice versa. Just like in today’ scenario, terrorist do not belong to a particular religion.
Identify the people who have victimized other people in the name of religion, sects and castes and segregate them but not on the basis of religion they follows.

What is the meaning of Musalman????…..Musalsal+ Iman….Can a pensioner of Indian government and enjoying the government appointed security personnel around him but still spewing venom against very those people and establishment claim that he is real Musalman.

If he is right then what you say about these people who made India proud…….presidents of India APJ Abul Kalam, Zakir Hussain, Fakharuddin Ahemd, Justice Altmas Kabir of supreme court of India, Chief election commissioner of India SY Quraishi or from entertainment industry, Sharukh, Amir, Salman, Saif ali Khan. Singer Md Rafi, music director…..AR Raheman, Naushad, Nadeem, Sahir Ludhiyanvi, kaifi Azami, Shaqeel Badanuni, Sarod maestro Amazad Ali Khan, Shahnai maestro Bismillah Khan, Tabla maestro Zakir Hussain and hundred of thousand others whom I’m forgetting.

This octogenarian only destroying peace of Kashmir, pushing India and Pakistan and its people against each other for “Apana Ullu seedha karne ke liye” But we the foolish people listen him then starts abusing one another and people of one another country. Knowing well what before 1947 we were one, then how come the earth we get so different, if it is true that we were so different then how before 1947 we had coped with one another.

@ Jahanzeb Khan
If India started its atrocity in last 25 years, so just ask question why it is in last 25 years and why not in first 40 years???? What happened in those last 25 years that made you came to this conclusion. In the first 40 years….. what are the things which made Kashmir a lively place to visit and who destroyed its beauty in last 25 years, who mixed poison in its atmosphere? Please ask these question to yourself and give answer sincerely, your sincere answer will be my answer.

Kashmir is an unfinished agenda of partition…….OK. Then solve it. First combined all the parts of Kashmir, then find out the stake holders in Kashmir such as Kashmiri Muslims, Hindu, Buddhists, Jammu people and Laddakhi people, Gilgit and Baltistan people……then redivide Kashmir between those people. Allow those divided parts to choose between India and Pakistan. Once you’ve divided Punjab and Bengal on those line why not now. What is fuss about it? Just required an honest, sincere, and open heart approach.

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Indian national saying no to bussnis with india now what all patriotic indians will say……

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@Jahanzeb Khan: I am Hindu and my wife is Muslim and our families are living in peace with each other. Ony in Pakistan there is a strong belief that Hindus and Muslims don’t get together. You should move to Kashmir for real and live there to do reality check on what Geelani says. It is very easy to create emotional turmoil on people by making statements like “raping our women and destroying Islam”. Seriously ????? Destroying Islam is that easy huh ? You feel so easily intimidated that Indian army will “Destroy” Islam ? Is Islam so weak ? If a region is highly oppresed people flee from the region and settle elsewhere. Like Hindu Pundits had to do when kashmiri militant raped and butchered them. Why did not Geelani speak up then ? Is his allegiance only towards muslims and not towards humanity ? If Kashmiris has been seriously raped since past 20 years why they continue to live there ? To get raped ? So my emotionally fool brother, do reality check before you start boiling your blood.
@Ali: You can’t win a single war from us when we openly fight with you. What are your chances of existence if we ever attacked you from behind ?? Think about that! This level of sedition and freedom of speech can only happen in India where a man is allowed to continuously fuel dissent between two cultures. Try this is in Pakistan and see how long you survive. Ah let me refresh your memory recently a journalist and a politician were assassinated for speaking freely against your army and blasphemy law. We all know what happened to them.

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@Sitting Duck:
In Pakistan we have a a blasphemy law and it is true that one of our Governor was assassinated, because he spoke against this law.

But my dear you Indians also have something similar like blasphemy law? Some weeks ago a member of Mr. Hazare´s team, Prashant Bhushan, was badly thrashed in the public because he spoke a bitter truth about Kashmir???????? Last year there was a hue and cry against Arundhati Roy as she made a statement, whether Kashmir is an integral part of India, and almost one billion people wanted to kill her for sedition!

If Kashmir is not liberated, then you Indians as well will dream another century to live in their country.

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@Sitting duck.. Spot on… But i would strongly suggest not to waste your time with nutcases like jahanzeb khan…

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Just looking at Geelani and the constant lies and venom he pours out against India, is greatest proof of total political freedom of expression and dissent that Indian state gives to all its citizens.

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This is Id time now. This time Geelani has been sacrificed. He must be allowed to shout. That right he must have.

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I totally agree with Syed Ali Gilani

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@ Syed

We do feel for Kashmiris but tell me for how long this region will be a hostage of a dispute that will never solve. Atleast not the way Kashmiris want it. How long we Pakistanis should waste our time and energy for something which we can never have? Meanwhile all these 64 years who suffered? Only us. Call us turncoat but Kashmir is a lost cause. The only peaceful solution is to convert LOC into international border or an independent Kashmir if India agrees.

MFN is a trade issue, not a political issue. You should be happy that our Govt has not changed its stance on Kashmir and we will be stuck on this issue for another 64 years. Perhaps this is what you want. In the end everyone wants peace. I am sure you crave it too. We Pakistanis want it as well. That’s why we want to normalize our relations with India.

PS. If you don’t want to live in Srinagar you can always leave and settle in Pakistan. You are welcome. Accept it that Kashmiris have learned to live on both sides of the border just like Punjabis have. My apologies in the end if i have offended you.

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@goggi: blasphemy law was passed first time during British colony time when britain was ruling. blasphemy law is that whoever wants to kill people they can do that. This law is to protect people. The person who killed Governor now facing death sentence and he is now gong through to appeal in court.

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@Syed,
Comments of Khalid Ahmed and MH should come as an eye opener to you. Both of them are absolutely right. You must understand that Kashmiris are not the only Muslims who live in India, there are millions of other Muslims living peacefully across the country. Indian Muslims are as patriotic as us Hindus, Sikhs, Christians etc.. Just because of being a Muslim majority state, you want to secede from India? If this is ever allowed to happen then that would be the end of secularism in India.
Join the mainstream India. I can assure you Kashmiris will reap immense benefits once they accept India as their motherland. Trust me rest of India will stand by Kashmiris, no army man would dare touch a Kashmiri. In fact, there would be no need to keep troops in Kashmir. Sadly, people of India cannot ask Central Government to pull out troops from Kashmir right now, because as long as jihadis keep coming to Kashmir from across the border and making trouble, government would remain justified in keeping security forces there.
Peace and prosperity or misery and destruction, choice is with Kashmiris.

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Kashmiris will not remain hostages to the plight of Indian muslims. Indian muslims made a choice to be with India while Kaashmiris rejected India.. As for the guy who says that Kashmirii muslims are not ‘indigenous” ( like kashmiri Hindu’s) he should have his head examined. It was the Kashmiri pundits 99% of whom converted to be muslims. There is no ethenic difference between a Kashmiri Pundit and a Kashmiri muslim, only the difference of idealogy and religion and it is upon that the Indian Sub continent was divided. To the guy who thinks taht India is not occupying Kashmir, let me remind him that there is no proof of the so called “accession” signed by the running away maharaja , Hari Singh. Absolutely no proof. India has never shown any signed document by Hari Singh. ( Even though he did not have any right to sign away Kashmir to India ). There are several UN declarations asking India to allow plebiscite in Kashmir. Even Gandhi and Nehru promised that.
Finally, let me say, Geelani Sahib is the sole leader who rules the jhearts and minds of Kashmiris. When he says” Hartal”, it is Hartal and when he says ‘Work”, it is a work day. He even threw a challange to Farooq Abdullah to walk for 15 minutes in lal Chowk without his Indian escorts. Obviously Farooq did not accept it, for he would have been lynched. And why do you think that Shiekh Abdullah, once the most revered leader, who finally turned a traitor,even in his death is guarded by Indian troops.
Kashmir will become free one day, insha’Allah, weather the Pakistani corrupt politicians are with us or not. Because Time is on our side, Allah is with us, and the great people of Pakistan are with us.
Let me conclude by saying: Pakistan Zindabad, Hidustan Murdabad and Kashmir Paaindabad. Long live the brave people of Kashmir and Pakistan.Recommend

@SYED:
“…there is no proof of the so called “accession” signed by the running away maharaja , Hari Singh. Absolutely no proof. India has never shown any signed document by Hari Singh. ( Even though he did not have any right to sign away Kashmir to India ).”
Well, if it is so, may be you should ask the International Court to ask India to produce the “Instrument of Accession”, shouldn’t you? India is not going to produce it for any Tom, Dick or Harry. Nothing much can come of you asserting, howsoever passionately or forcefully, in matters which are profoundly legal. But then, you say that the Maharaja “did not have any right to sign away Kashmir to India “. So, if you do not recognize his right to sign away his kingdom, what is the point in raising the question of the “Instrument of Accession”? Proper thing for you to do would be to question that right of his in the International Court and prove that it was illegal.

“There are several UN declarations asking India to allow plebiscite in Kashmir. Even Gandhi and Nehru promised that.”
Again, the proper thing to do is to ask UN to enforce its “declarations”. “Declarations” have no enforcement value. “Resolutions” might have some depending on under what clause they were passed. Every Secretary general of UN has told you that UN cannot enforce any resolution about Kashmir but you are welcome to keep on trying. Gandhi’s part in this whole sordid Kashmir affair was only to bless the dispatch of Indian Army into Kashmir at the request of the Maharaja and Sheikh Abdullah. As far as Nehru’s promise goes, he himself withdrew that. Now, you can say he had no right to do so, but why harangue us and India about that. Find Nehru and make him deliver on his promise to you. As far as India is concerned, Kashmir problem is only about enforcing the Parliament resolution of securing the liberation of POK. We will continue to pursue that in our usual peaceful manner.
Geelani and you are both Syeds. Your ancestors came from Iran. You are NOT a converted Kashmiri Pandit. Neither you nor he has any locus standii in the matter.Recommend

@Bangladeshi:
“@Sitting Duck: Brother for your kind info in islam Muslim can never ever marry any non-muslim. I have no intention to heart your feelings but it is plain not permissible in islam and this is a strong belief not only in PAK but every other muslim states”.

You can say what you want but in India many Muslim men have Hindu wives and Hindu men have Muslim wives. Many of these are very well known cases and yet there have been no fatwas against this practice in India.

Some example of Hindu husband and Muslim wife:
1. Sunil Dutt – a Hindu married Nargis a Muslim
2. Kishore Kumar a Hindu married Madhubala – a Muslim
3. Hrithik Roshan a Hindu married Suzanne Khan a Muslim
4. Atul Agnihotri a Hindu married Alvira Khan (Salman Khan’s sister) a Muslim.

Some example of Muslim husband and Hindu wife:

Shah Rukh Khan a Muslim married Gauri who was Hindu
Amir Khan a Muslim married Kiran Rao who is a Hindu
Mansoor Ali Khan Pataudi a Muslim married Sharmila Tagore who is a Hindu
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@SYED:
” If Geelani sahib only gives a nod, believe me, India would jump at the opportunity of bestowing the Prime Ministership of Kashmir dumping the traitor Abdullah family”.

You say yuo are born in Srinagar. If that was true you would know that Jammu and Kashmir have a Chief Minister just like all other indian states. It does not have a Prime Minister like the so called ‘Azad Kashmir’. The very fact that you do not know this simple fact gives lie to your claim of having been raised in Srinagar.

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Kashmir is an occupied land. The occupier has oppressed the occupied.

Kashmir should be freed immediately.

Occupier = Muslims.

Occupied = Hindus.

So, Kashmiri Muslims are welcome to go to Pakistan or where ever they choose to, as long as they return us the Hindu land.

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I find this amusing. Kashmiri muslims chased away their minorities(Hindus/Sikhs) from the state but they expect special treatment for being minorities in India. Isn’t that hypocrisy? Kashmir cause is lost when they made it a religious cause. World has enough of this Muslim demand for separation.

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Why every one is getting so serious about Jokes told by some old man? I am an Indian Muslim and not at all in favour of this type of Arguments.

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@SYED:
Beleive me we Pakistanis want nothing but peace and prosperity for you guys. If you want an independent Kashmir, we have no objection. You guys have suffered a lot and you deserve it. All i just want you to be realistic. I have nothing against any Kashmiri leader. I know they fight for your cause. The only trouble is your demand is unrealistic. If you don’t want to live with India which i understand then tell me can Kashmir exist independently? If it could then go for it. You know very well India will never agree to an independent Kashmir no matter what Kashmiris do. Still i want nothing but a peaceful solution to Kashmir dispute and for that ponder over the realistic options. Hope you will understand.

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@SYED:
Your account does not amount to historical reality. No Kashmiri Pandit (who are Brahmins) in their right mind would convert to Islam, at least not voluntarily. Yes, not all, but only the separatist “muslims” in Kashmir are migrants from central Asia. This can be easily proved by their name, linguistic, cultural habits and a DNA test. No person of Indian descent (irrespective of religion) would even think of separating from India at the present time. The advantages of being Indian in a re-emerging India far outnumber that of any other motivation.

You may not have “proof” of Kashmir’s accession to India, but the world has proof of it. In fact, a copy of the accession document is available online. As the monarch, King Hari Singh had every and absolute right of ownership and transfer of the Kingdom of Kashmir. There is no dispute on that.

The UN resolutions on Kashmir were issued at India’s behest. So there was no question of India not implementing them. It was Pakistan which refused to comply with the resolution by withdrawing forces from Kashmir for the conduct of a UN supervised plebiscite. Those resolution have long lapsed and are now irrelevant.

As far as the world is concerned, the case on Kashmir is long closed. Pakistan should also realize the reality and move on.Recommend

@SAJJAD SARWAR:
A symbol of dignity or a shrewd businessman having business interests in Dubai which would be adversely affected?

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