Eastern Alliance: Pakistan lobbying for defence pact with China

Published: September 27, 2011

“Our view is, and it is also shared by authorities in Beijing to an extent, that this will send a strong signal to the world that Pakistan is not alone … an emerging world power is standing behind it,” an official said. PHOTO: EXPRESS

ISLAMABAD: 

Pakistan seems to have been secretly lobbying in recent months for a bilateral defence pact with China. The efforts have been met with caution in Beijing, however, and officials say there is little hope for an immediate breakthrough.

Diplomatic and military officials told The Express Tribune that Pakistan made overtures to China early this year when its relationship with the US was weakened by several controversies. Islamabad used backdoor and regular diplomatic channels in an attempt to convince the Chinese leadership that the agreement was mutually beneficial, the officials said. “Our view is, and it is also shared by authorities in Beijing to an extent, that this will send a strong signal to the world that Pakistan is not alone … an emerging world power is standing behind it,” an official said.

He added that Pakistan formally raised the issue during a visit by Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani to China early this year, immediately after the killing of al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden by US commandos. “He put forward Pakistan’s desire formally,” said an official who was privy to the development but requested his name not be mentioned due to the sensitivity of the issue.

(Read: China endorses Pakistan’s response to US raid: PM)

However, the Chinese leadership, officials said, advised Pakistan not to push for an agreement that could put Islamabad and Beijing in trouble with both Washington and New Delhi. A spokesperson for the foreign ministry refused to either confirm or deny that Pakistan was seeking a formal pact with China, though both countries cooperate extensively in defence production and civil nuclear technology.

“I don’t want to comment on it,” was the brisk answer by Foreign Office Spokeswoman Tehmina Janjua when her comments were sought. Recent diplomatic events seem to add weight to the officials’ claims, though. Gilani’s visit to China, in which he declared the country Pakistan’s best friend, ruffled feathers in the US. One key US Senator said the comments made it harder to convince a sceptical US public that providing aid to Pakistan was a good idea.

“Frankly, I’m getting tired of it, and I think Americans are getting tired of it as far as shoveling money in there at people who just flat don’t like us,” said Idaho Republican Senator James Risch.

Experts appeared to be divided on how China is responding to Pakistan’s request. General (retd) Hamid Gul, former chief of the ISI, said he believed China would go to any extent to support Pakistan but expecting a defence pact at this stage was little too ambitious.

Defence analyst Ayesha Siddiqa took a different position, saying it was possible to imagine that Islamabad and Beijing were involved in talks on the issue, as they already cooperated regularly on defence matters. “They (Pakistani leaders) might be trying…and it looks workable as well,” said Siddiqa. “There might be a lot of reservations in Washington and New Delhi. But it is unlikely to trigger a conflict,” she added. 

(Read: With us or against us? A decade on, Pakistan is wavering)

Published in The Express Tribune, September 27th, 2011.

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Reader Comments (74)

  • ali
    Sep 27, 2011 - 6:35AM

    “Frankly, I’m getting tired of it, and I think Americans are getting tired of it as far as shoveling money in there at people who just flat don’t like us,” said Idaho Republican Senator James Risch….

    Yes senator, we are tired of you too..so please keep your aid… get the hell out of Afghanistan..stop attacking Muslim countries…tell your poodle Israel to vacate muslim lands in occupied teritorries… recognize Palestine….and stop meddling in Muslim land to satisfy your lust for OIL.

    Please take care of the millions of American who got dispossessed by the corrupt bankers in Wall street..

    American shamelessness has no bounds…

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  • Sep 27, 2011 - 6:38AM

    why we are always striving for a power , military domination, regional prominence or why we always tend to a be a main stream actor ? please get aside and stabilise the living conditions of “aaam sheri” …

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  • Barekzai
    Sep 27, 2011 - 6:39AM

    I guess evidence just keeps piling to alert us on how duplicitous and politically immature the Pakistani establishment really are. Do you seriously believe that China, which indeed views Pakistan as its political asset towards India, would risk an American default on their loan repayments and an exodus of allied capital from their country for the sake of Pakistan? What world do Pakistanis think they live in?

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  • Ashok
    Sep 27, 2011 - 6:50AM

    This is all just maneuvering based on arm twisting of one nation against another to agree on policy goals.

    The worst that can happen to Pakistan is that it turns into another North Korea. In the event this happens, there will be less flashy things to purchase for the average consumer and the educated rich of Pakistan will fee to foreign capitals. However, this will reduce income inequality within Pakistan, so it would be an opportune time for reform in the labor laws of Pakistan. A healthy dose of socialism may be needed to counter the extreme religiosity and superstition of the country. It will have a lower economic growth rate, but this would be tenable if the birth rate reduces as well to manageable levels. Pakistan has plenty of land per capita, and regardless of the current political and economic situation, would be a conduit for trade routes in an important region.

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  • Arindom
    Sep 27, 2011 - 6:52AM

    ” ….strong signal to the world that Pakistan is not alone …”

    The problem lies in not what Alliances Pakistan has – it is WHAT will this alliance defend??

    Now, if a Haqqani plot to blow up New York is discovered – will China go to war on behalf of the Haqqanis?

    With no worry about terrorists running amok in Pakistan, the delusional thinking of the Pakistani establishment breaks new gounds everyday!!

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  • Jawad U Rehman
    Sep 27, 2011 - 6:54AM

    Pakistan is fast creating a self-fulling prophecy and isolating itself into a corner. We the Pakistanis wish to ask our leadership, especially the military one, that what is the wisdom of associating ourselves with the likes of Haqqanis at the cost of the whole world (yes, even China will not appreciate an Islamic Emirate next to their restive East Turkestan/Xinkiang region). Sacrificing a whole nation’s future in support of these people is not wise. I know it may satisfy your ego and possibly the extremists in the ISI, but the 180 million people want to know what strategic depth are we gaining by continuing to allow Haqqanis to operate from Waziristan. If it is all American fabrication, then please let us take back control of ENTIRE Waziristan – back into our sovereignty without fighting Haqqanis, since they don’t exist there- tell the remaining Haqqanis to go operate from Afghanistan and leave us alone, and then we will be on a higher moral ground if anybody in the world points fingers at us for allowing our territory to be used against them. Remember, even a limited confrontation with the West in the Tribal areas will set us back a decade, while India marches ahead economically. We will become weak and indefensible anyways.

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  • N
    Sep 27, 2011 - 6:57AM

    We have had pivotal relationships with two powers simultaneously- China and USA. But our establishment always used these relationships to outsmart India when we could have used them to bring investment and progress to our own. IF we had done that we would be 10-15 years ahead of India and strong even on the K issue. All without joining any camp.

    But our establishment remains mired in a militaristic seige mindset. From being in the US camp during the cold war, we are now going to be China’s paw in South Asia and Central Asia. Emotions guide us to highest mountains and deepest oceans.

    The questions we ought ask as we pursue his defense pact: Who lost the USA? Who drove India closer to the US and Europe? How will it deliver Kabul and IOK on a silver platter to us? Will this make us so secure that we will be able to eliminate our home grown strategic assets?

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  • jamal
    Sep 27, 2011 - 7:07AM

    This will be great if it happens. Pakistan should have done it long time back.

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  • Analyst
    Sep 27, 2011 - 7:13AM

    N korea, burma and now Pakistan ? China is collecting jewels.

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  • Pundit
    Sep 27, 2011 - 7:34AM

    Was expected….an attack on Pakistan will be construed as an attack on China….

    Dont forget China will extract a huge price for that and Pakistan will sink deeper in international image.

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  • BruteForce
    Sep 27, 2011 - 7:38AM

    How can Pakistan possibly get more weapons from China than they are getting already?

    China fears that India will arm Vietnam in a tit-for-tat response for China arming Pakistan. We see China being assertive in the South China sea, which is closer to Vietnam than China.

    Tell me one good reason why China will treat Pakistan better than it treats North Korea.

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  • Gul Khan
    Sep 27, 2011 - 7:40AM

    Eastern Block is welcome…A strong message to the Western Block.

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  • Sep 27, 2011 - 7:44AM

    This talk about a Defense Pact between China and Pakistan will probably not materialize. At the height of the Cold War both the United States and the then Soviet Union were looking for client states and were ready to enter into such pacts with any country which wanted to. SEATO, CENTO, NATO and The Warsaw pact are examples of such multilateral pacts, while the Indo-Soviet pact of August 1971 is a bi-lateral example that come to mind. The aim was quite obvious; to get as many client states on board in order to extend their spheres of influence. However the Chinese, as a matter of policy, have never believed in entering into such pacts. I remember Mr. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto making a special mention of this fact and so far he has been proved right. I do concede that things might have changed after China has emerged as a quasi super power and an economic giant. One would like to know if China has a Defense Pact with any country at all?

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  • Sep 27, 2011 - 7:44AM

    Keeping history at the back of our conscious, no country would like to get into a ‘Defence Pact’ with us for a plethora of reasons.

    The reason is simple: we are undecided about what to do with our country. We are temperamental and mercurial in our policies, swaying to and fro, back and forth. Unless and until we dont stabilize ourselves internally, meaning economically, get rid of our archaic laws inherited from the British era, control the beards, spread education, get rid of feudals once and for all, apply the law to heinous crimes i.e. punish the culprits rather than allow the ‘biradari’ system to save them, no country will form an alliance. It is a bitter, superimposed fact.

    So let’s start living in reality rather than make believe ‘jump start’ policies. Salams.

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  • Analyst
    Sep 27, 2011 - 7:58AM

    If China refuses defense pact then Pakistan should declare itself as a province of China and rename itself to Mao-is-tan. What will Chinese do then ?

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  • narayana murthy
    Sep 27, 2011 - 7:59AM

    India should take note of this and do two important things…

    1) Threaten China of all cuts in economic/business ties if China ever enters into a pact with Pakistan that can (and most probably will) be used against India, as we have seen in four wars.

    2) Strengthen its relationship with Russia to put pressure on China.
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  • narayana murthy
    Sep 27, 2011 - 8:16AM

    @Jawad U Rehman

    Very wise words. But, honestly, do you believe that there’s room left for Pakistan to make any turn around. Recommend

  • Ashok
    Sep 27, 2011 - 8:19AM

    Strangely, my gut feeling tells me that if the American force in Afghanistan is thinned down, India may possibly face a two front war in Kashmir – this would be an opportune time for China and PakistanRecommend

  • Kamal Yaar
    Sep 27, 2011 - 8:30AM

    Don’t forget Taiwan. India has still one China policy. But that can change. Taiwan gets weapons from USA and all those defense companies are now India. Recent OIL exploration conflict between India and China was not just a show. It was done at Clinton’s urging asking India to more assertive. China understands that. What is China going to receive from Pakistan? Why should pickup fight with countries who are do not want this fight for sake of Pakistan. Pakistan’s problem is own creation. It was told point blank by President Clinton when he visited Pakistan and refused to shake hands with Pakistan’s President on Pakistan’s soil. Clinton said that “Time to change borders with sword is gone”. Saddam was 10 times stronger economically and militarily (except nuclear weapons which are useless unless a nation wants to do collectively suicide). Pakistan should leave Afghanistan, India and Kashmir alone. All these nations need Pakistan’s help in some way.Recommend

  • Straight_Talk
    Sep 27, 2011 - 8:37AM

    I think China is not ready for such a commitment. It is still far fetched as far as the military gap between China and US is concerned. Then such a pact will have a reaction in a China-Pak centric defence pack among US,India,Japan,ASEAN and Australia. Even the EU may joint in. This will only weaken the Chinese side further from what it is today while raising the stakes for any confrontation very high. I see this as Pakistan searching its erstwhile strategic value which is fast eroding after Indo-US strategic partnership. It will be tough for Pakistan this time for we are still in a unipolar world order.

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  • Sam
    Sep 27, 2011 - 8:43AM

    There is no point in hobnobbing with China. It would results in something as the current US-Pak relationship in future.Recommend

  • Gadhay kay pechay bhains.........
    Sep 27, 2011 - 8:56AM

    @Pundit:
    Amazing how you come up with stuff……… the fair weather friend, as per your definition ( the trolls) statements form months ago has come thru as expected.
    Pakistan is not N. Korea. We have lived & survived 10 years in state of war. Can your people do that?Recommend

  • Tariq
    Sep 27, 2011 - 9:00AM

    Good luck with that, the Chinese are beholden to the US, they wont do much of anything

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  • Sep 27, 2011 - 9:05AM

    If seen pragmatically and from the perspective of China. If we want to declare independence from the clutches of America, we should take some concrete steps to prove it also. For example, a law should be passed by the parliament that all Pakistani nationals must bring their off shore wealth back within sixty days for which no questions will be asked and equal to that amount they will get income tax rebate for unlimited time. China needs some confidence building measures and tangible acts to know that this time we mean business. And believe me with declared Indian ambitions after Indo-US nexus, China equally needs our cooperation badly, the only thing is they are apprehensive of the entire government apparatus of Pakistan, which is almost hand picked by you know whom. This situation can only be rectified by immediately inducting in government, credible men like Mr. Imran Khan, for which the nation needs to find a way as soon as possible.Recommend

  • Sep 27, 2011 - 9:06AM

    Lets see if Saudia joins too.

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  • Arindom
    Sep 27, 2011 - 9:06AM

    @Analyst:
    you forget Cuba, Sudan and Iran!! time for Pakistan to truly join the China-friends club along with N.Korea.

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  • Arindom
    Sep 27, 2011 - 9:08AM

    @Analyst:

    “PakisXiang” is more appropriate…..

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  • faraz
    Sep 27, 2011 - 9:11AM

    Why would China sign a defense deal with a country that is considered the global hub of terrorism? It would be nothing but an embarrassing liability

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  • Engr.Mohsin Raza
    Sep 27, 2011 - 9:13AM

    To Beijing,

    Sweetheart, After 60 years of friendship cum flattering, I hereby propose you to marry me so that we may be even closer than ever. I know both the Delhi and Washington keep a bad eye on your youth and beauty and it makes me feel possessive when I see you talking and laughing with them.

    Lovingly Yours.
    Pakistan.

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  • Sep 27, 2011 - 9:15AM

    @aaam sheri: Well said brother when the problem economic i dont know why instead of trying for a trade pact they are trying for a defence pact.

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  • John B
    Sep 27, 2011 - 9:17AM

    The height of delusion. Defense pack is mutual. What PAK seeks is a oneway pact. What kind of strategic and defense assistance PAK can give to china.?

    Scenario: US gets into PAK for some reason in the future. PAK expects china to defend her in arms and ammunition against US?

    US considers this as an act of war, and embargo on all Chinese import is enforced. Europe follows suit due to NATO alliance. India with her strategic partnership with US, allows her coast for docking US/NATO warships. PAK gets pounded, and India is attacked by PAK. Russia joins in with her long standing pact with india. how is this for PAK – china alliance?

    China is not stupid. PAK should get her acts together.

    G-20 is inter- liked in finance, debt and trade and PAK defense is last on their mind. Recommend

  • Jehangir
    Sep 27, 2011 - 9:41AM

    We should remember that the Chinese are no fools. What do they gain or lose from us?
    Gains:
    Controlling Support to the Separatists of Uigher Province & crushing muslims.
    Access to Mineral Wealth/Port/Gas Pipelines if ever something comes up. (But too many militant groups cause significant risk to the investments.
    Encircling India with our support.
    Loss
    Will have to donate billions of $`s. The returns on investments will be much lesser than donations in form of Aid.
    Image of China. China will get a pariah state image in supporting regimes like NothKorea, Iran, Burma & now Pakistan will be added to the list.
    Regional Politics. Enmity with India & India might venture into South East Asian waters and find new allies there, just like China is trying to find allies in South Asia.

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  • vasan
    Sep 27, 2011 - 9:56AM

    International relationship is always a two way street. What does Pak bring to table for a defence pact with China. What is the perceived threat to Pak. US ?. China willing to take on US for a vassal state like Pakistan?? Why cant they try and get a economic pact with China. Why cant they get some manufacturing outsourced from China and get some factories going. After watching China rise (India to some extend )thru economics and trade, Cant Pakistan learn.Recommend

  • Sajid I.
    Sep 27, 2011 - 10:14AM

    Pakistan has become that scared kid in the school that tries to get the security insurance of a big boy in the class. In doing so, it has brought shame to itself but to feel some shame, we need to have some integrity and self respect which we never had. Recommend

  • Agha
    Sep 27, 2011 - 10:41AM

    If Pakistan is attacked, first thing should be to close the NATO supply lines for a month and then fire back for invading a sovereign country. If that doesn’t work, Pakistan should use targeted nuclear strikes against any attacker for violating International law by invading a sovereign country.

    Pakistan reserves the right to defend itself against any arrogance and misadventure by anyone. Pakistanis stand united. It will be tit for tat. Pakistan will overwhelm Afghanistan if it is attacked by any invaders from the Western front.

    Enough is enough.

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  • Feroz
    Sep 27, 2011 - 10:43AM

    All the arguments put forth seem to be bogus. China has never had friends only economic interests. Pakistan is unlikely to provide the kind of economic opportunities the US and India combined can. Also with an Investment of around $ 3 Trillion in US debt any default there can lead it into a recession and downward spiral, that can exacerbate social tension. At best China will mouth platitudes but expect nothing more.
    Why for heavens sake does Pakistan want to link itself to any camp or grouping ? Is it so insecure that it will sacrifice the well being of its people for some imagined geostrategic gain ?
    Jumping from the frying pan into the fire is not the wisest choice.

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  • Xyz
    Sep 27, 2011 - 10:44AM

    Are the Chinese so stupid?

    Pakistan is now exporting terrorists and Polio to China. After the pact, Pakistan will export a war to China!!!

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  • Javed
    Sep 27, 2011 - 11:10AM

    @Analyst:
    Yes you are right. Welcome to the dime a dozen China fan club.

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  • Udaya Bose
    Sep 27, 2011 - 11:18AM

    The best bet for Pakistan even today is to kiss and make up with India and live as two non-threatening, friendly neighbours. Strong trade and cultural ties will lead to prosperity all round. Recommend

  • Kazmis
    Sep 27, 2011 - 11:18AM

    Do not forget Pakistan fought a proxy war of USA against a nuclear USSR and in returned USSR was defeated and finally broken. Pakistani forces fought the war with full zeal and capabilities in return of some benefit one of them was Nuclear capabilities with silent support of USA or in other words before the open eyes of US. Now Pakistan is going to fight another proxy war against USA in Afghanistan with some obvious benefits. There are chances with the capabilities of Pakistan that US will disintegrate along with it’s Ally INDIA.

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  • Aftab Kenneth Wilson
    Sep 27, 2011 - 11:21AM

    Why don’t we behave like China???? They have many issues with their neighbors but are still moving forward on economic front and are rarely seen poking their noses elsewhere on religion and faith beliefs. China is an emerging both economic and military power due to its clear policies, what do we have to offer the world???? It is better to bring our own house/s in order by allowing democracy flourish in real sense. Each Pillar should play within its own boundaries. We have more than enough potential to stand on our own feet but all this requires a will to move forward without any foreign interference which includes some Arab countries and the West..

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  • Lee P
    Sep 27, 2011 - 11:24AM

    @Moise:
    Have you lost confidence in your military? Why do you need a pact of any kind? And what’s in it for the Chinese? Why should they besmirch their reputation?

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  • Sep 27, 2011 - 11:37AM

    @Analyst: The late Mao Tse Tung was a very great leader. Please show some reverence. Thank you.Recommend

  • harry johal
    Sep 27, 2011 - 11:41AM

    ohhhh, pakistan is changing it’s master…

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  • Subhash, India
    Sep 27, 2011 - 12:19PM

    @ali:
    Dear friend, I find it strange that a Muslim in one country should be talking about other Muslim countries. If you people really believe in the concept of Ummah then let us see if some Muslim countries can unite into one or OIC can become more cohesive or some standardized form of governance can be implemented in all Muslim countries or at least you can cohesively unite all provinces of Pakistan at least. If answer to even 1 question is in affirmative then I will earnestly endorse your call Recommend

  • Mohan Ram
    Sep 27, 2011 - 12:25PM

    @John B: v

    You forgot that the Americans have Doego Garcia in the Indian Ocean with B52′S and V2′s on 24 hour call
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  • Santosh
    Sep 27, 2011 - 12:50PM

    @Ali,
    Afghanistan is not Pakistan’s property for Pakistanis to say whether/when Americans should leave. It is this Paki attitude of treating Afghanistan as it’s client state that has done the most damage to Afghanistan and Afghans. The right to decide if/when Americans should leave or if they continue to maintain a presence in Afghanistan, belongs solely to the people and government of Afghanistan.

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  • Mohan Ram
    Sep 27, 2011 - 1:05PM

    @Feroz:

    Can you imagin if the US decides to stop trade with China and followed by major economic powers as retrebution, there could be a new revolution in China, and they will have no time for the flundering Pakistan.
    @John B: v

    You forgot that the Americans have Doego Garcia in the Indian Ocean with B52′S and V2′s on 24 hour call
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  • A.Khan
    Sep 27, 2011 - 1:11PM

    The way that democracy is dealing with current Pak-US situation proves that Pakistan can perform very good under democratic govt. I hope democracy prevails in Pakistan. China is definitely assisting Pakistan but not leading which is a good sign and exactly how should it happen. Each nation has to stand up on its own foundation so would Pakistan do as soon as this situation is over.

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  • Santosh
    Sep 27, 2011 - 1:16PM

    Another Paki attempt to drag China into its problems. Pak has tried for years for China to take over the Gwadar port and China isn’t willing to take that on. Whatever makes Pakis think that China will sign a defence pact with it? Pakis are envisioning a China-Pak alliance that can encircle India and rival US/NATO in Af? But China isn’t willing to dance. To date, US and India have wanted to create a strategic partnership, but India has hesitated for fear of a backlash from a public that prides itself on staying neutral. A China-Pak pact would do what successive Indian governments have failed to do – it would create mass support in India in favor of a security pact with the US. Add in the existing US-Japan and US-S.Korea pacts; current anti-Chinese feelings in Vietnam, Philippines, Cambodia, etc; and lukewarm Sino-Russian relations. The result will backfire into an encircled China, which is the last thing that China wants.

    Remember that rabid anti-Americanism and the desire to terminate relations with the US is a uniquely Paki trait. While China chafes at the US, it also exports $700 billion annually to it. Chinese exports to India are at $80 billion a year and growing 20+% year on year. There’s no way that China will jeopardize that economic opportunity, no matter whether the friendship is higher than the himalayas or even over the moon.

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  • Ravi
    Sep 27, 2011 - 1:53PM

    @Agha:
    Be realistic. You think if you carry out targeted nuclear strikes against countries these countries will stand watching. Pakistan will not exist anymore. Whats needed right now is diplomacy and financial growth. Pakistan doesnt have the capabilities to fight a long war which will send pakistan back 10-15 years. If Pakistan was economically strong it could act big but to go into a Heavyweight boxing match knowing your a lightweight is just silly. Pakistan needs to curb extremism for its own growth and development. The Taliban is shutting down schools preventing education for women and stoning and lashing people in public. You are willing to go to war to defend that. How far will that take you even lets assume you win the war.Recommend

  • R S JOHAR
    Sep 27, 2011 - 2:25PM

    China would be least interested to enter into a defence pact with Pakistan and risk billions of dollars trade with US and India by confronting them for Pakistan’s sake who is more of a liability than an asset. What is China’s game plan vis-a-vis Pakistan? Nobody except China would be able to explain but it is unlikely to provide substantial aid as Pakistan got from the Americans. Therefore, Pakistan is risking further downward trend of its economy which it actually needs to boost through aid from US and IMF. But ironically Pakistan has chosen a self-destructive path of supporting a dangerous terrorist outfit which would result in its isolation from rest of the world and even endangering the sovereignity of its state

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  • Lee P
    Sep 27, 2011 - 2:33PM

    @Engr.Mohsin Raza:
    Hahahaha…. good one. After the Sino-Pak weddingRecommend

  • jibran
    Sep 27, 2011 - 2:51PM

    @ali:
    A very shameless reply expected from a lot of people like u.Recommend

  • jibran
    Sep 27, 2011 - 2:58PM

    @ali:
    Yes senator, we are tired of you too..so please keep your aid… get out of Afghanistan..stop attacking Muslim countries…tell your poodle Israel to vacate muslim lands in occupied teritorries… recognize Palestine….and stop meddling in Muslim land to satisfy your lust for OIL.

    Please take care of the millions of American who got dispossessed by the corrupt bankers in Wall street..

    And just what it all has to do with Pakistan? Are we the emerging super power bent on bi polarizing the world from American uni polarism? We should just concentrate on improving the living conditions of 180 million Pakistanis and leave the rest of the world aside. Even the poorest of poor americans has a higher average income than 99% of Pakistanis.Recommend

  • Yasser
    Sep 27, 2011 - 3:04PM

    First of all Haqqanis are not operating from Waziristan. They had been disbursed long ago due to consistent drone attacks by US. Only left there are their families, elders, women and children BUT no camps or bases. Same is the case with close neighbour border region. What a lame blame by US that Haqqanis attack Kabul (Afghanistan) from Waziristan (Pakistan). Distance wise, its exactly like attacking Islamabad (Pakistan) from Kandahar (Afghanistan) keeping in mind the world’s best patrolling guidelines and gadgets installed in Afghanistan assisting their Police and Armed forces with addendum of constant border monitoring by US satellites and surveillance drone. How foolish of those evidences where attackers were getting advices from ISI via phones/transmitters and ISI don’t know the high-tech Americans could not track their (so called) conversation.

    I personally believe the US absurdly tried to pressurize and twist Pakistan but unfortunately their plan bounced back at their own face not knowingly it will harm them upon the revelation of the factual truths favouring Pakistan.

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  • syed baqar ahsan
    Sep 27, 2011 - 3:29PM

    first put own house absolutely in order, gain economic strength through hard workRecommend

  • citizen First
    Sep 27, 2011 - 4:42PM

    @Santosh:
    To date, US and India have wanted to create a strategic partnership, but India has hesitated for fear of a backlash from a public that prides itself on staying neutral. A China-Pak pact would do what successive Indian governments have failed to do – it would create mass support in India in favor of a security pact with the US.

    very well said. Washington trying a lot to make india a satellite of US but now they also realize that a country of over one billion people having a strong belief in democratic values and where govt. can’t make any decision without taking people under confidence, is not pakistan and it is too big country to become it’s satellite. indians understand the US very well. india will strengthen it’s position as a major player in international politics in a few coming years on itself. a defence pact between china and pakistan will give indian govt. a point, to prove before it’s people for the action to go with US.

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  • Shahid
    Sep 27, 2011 - 5:08PM

    You call USA selfish, first look what you are doing. On the one hand you guys support Kashmir issue because Indian forces are doing atrocities on muslims, and on the other hand you are willing to crush muslims of Xinkiang region just because China gives you some money. Chinese army is doing much more atrocity than India is doing in Kashmir. What do you think, Muslims of Xinkiang region are not muslims or what? Grow up guys. Pakistan was created on basis of religion, is this what you are doing for Muslims – selling them for some money. Nation is built on its principles and you dont sell them.Recommend

  • Sajjad Hussain
    Sep 27, 2011 - 5:21PM

    No nation will go tg any extent to support Pakistan, not even China. We must stand on our own feet if we want to survive with respect in the world.

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  • Javed
    Sep 27, 2011 - 5:32PM

    @Agha: The Pak Army says it cant attack NW as it is stretched thin. It very strange that we can’t take on the Haqqains but have the ability to take on the US. We are suffering from mass delusions. Nothing more and nothing less. Thats the reason we are totally friendless in this world. 180 million and sum total zero.

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  • GW
    Sep 27, 2011 - 6:36PM

    America is the unnatural ally . China makes more sense. wonder why the paki elite waited so long?

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  • jflossy
    Sep 27, 2011 - 7:10PM

    Reading the posts above it seems that Indians are greatly worried about this potential development, and so they should be, a mutual defence pact with China would give Pakistan a tremendous strategic advantage on the Kashmir Issue and generate enough confidence amongst the people of Occupied Kashmir to finally gain freedom from there cruel oppressors.

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  • Observer
    Sep 27, 2011 - 7:36PM

    @Jawad U Rehman:

    A very mature and sane perspective….well said

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  • Freeman
    Sep 27, 2011 - 9:12PM

    @John B:
    Wow.. What imaginations.Recommend

  • Waleed
    Sep 27, 2011 - 10:26PM

    @ Santosh

    Pakistan is directly affecting from US presence in Afghanistan and therefore we do have the right to say them to leave. As for as the wish of the people of Afaghanistan is concern, do you really think the US and NATO presence is afghanistan is welcomed and wished by the people? what a joke! they killed hundreds of thousands of innocents afghanies (including children and women). They bombed funerals and peaceful Jirgas. The US cruelity have been more obvious in Iraq because of the relatively more access of media. But they have done a great amount of damage to innocent lives in Afghanistan too. US is a lier as the WMD were not found in Iraq. US was not welcome in Iraq and Afghanistan by the people. Obviously you wont points to these reports and facts. As far as the Afghan govt is concerned, so the whole world knows it is a puppet. I will not be surprised if you dont know that. Lastly, the question that why we should be concerned for the killings of innocent people in iraq, afghanistan, and other occupied countries, you wont understand the answer because, as your name suggests, you are not a muslim.

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  • Waleed
    Sep 27, 2011 - 11:00PM

    @Javed

    The US is not able to take on few haqqanis but will be able to take on Pakistan? That is also a delusion my friend. Gorilla warfare is much different than an open war. Even it is more destructive and damaging. Ask Americans Troops in Afghanistan.

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  • Sep 27, 2011 - 11:11PM

    Pakistan unfortunately still doesn’t get it.

    If your country’s objective is peace and prosperity, how about connecting to your neighbors rather than raising armies to fight them? How about building roads, rails, transport links, trade ties so that we all can turn Asia into a free-trade-zone like Europe. Instead, the country is trapped in a militaristic mindset seeking superiority over a benign and easy-going country like India. Quite sad!

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  • Thomas
    Sep 28, 2011 - 1:40AM

    @jflossy:

    Pakistani daydreams have no end.!!. China is going to threaten India for Kashmir for the paks.!!. It si true that China won the war in 1962, when India had no militaryto speak off. That war woke up India to build up its military. Today if another skrimish or war happens, India will lay waste most of China and they will do the same to India. So if you are thinking China is going to war for you, you are living in fools paradise like all of your history however short that may be. America gave Ayub some” Patton Tanks “and he declared he is going to have tea in New Delhi. When India attacked and went all the way to Lahore, he run to the Russians for help. Now Pakistan claim that it won all the wars, rewriting history after it has happend. India gave most of your property back, but still holds some of your property from, 47, 65, 71,89. So get that pot off the range man.!!

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  • 66
    Sep 28, 2011 - 1:09PM

    @jflossy:
    This defence pact will not materialize the way Pakistan would want it. Do you think if the US starts attacking positions in Pakistan China will intervene. US debt (dependent on how the US economy performs) and close to a trillion of trade is a huge deterant. Much larger than any strategic leverage Pakistan may provide China. In the case of India it might be a small deterant but the US will definately side with India in the case of any escalation now so Pakistan is not in a very favourable diplomatic position. Countries negotiate and make deals from a position of strength. Thats the reason why drone attacks happen and pakistan keeps going on about its soveriegnity. Even for Kashmir do you think the Chinese will hand back the area of Kashmir they hold and one doesnt really know if Indian Kashmiris are worse off than Pakistani Kashmiris. You do reallize Indian Kashmir had close to 1 million tourists this year (im not denying the violations and atrocities of the security forces) but things are slowly changing for the better. Recommend

  • Sep 28, 2011 - 3:33PM

    @Thomas;
    Dear brother Thomas; I hope your community is living in peace and security. Please do not make every issue into a dispute and that too by flagrantly misquoting history. For example you say that ‘when India attacked and went all the way to Lahore’. And sorry Sir, but it was India that sought Russian help not Pakistan. Remember the August 1970 Indo-Russian pact that led to the creation of Bangladesh? Of course the Indians don’t care about territorial integrity, sovereignty and human rights e.g. Junagadh, Manavadah, Goa, Kashmir etc. But then that is their problem. Recommend

  • Thomas
    Sep 28, 2011 - 8:34PM

    @Naushad Shafkat:
    My mistake Naushad!
    I meant to say to mediate, because India did not listen to America, Britan, Chinese and even the U.N. to stop the fighting. The whole world had to go to Russia to mediate because that was the only country India would atleast listen to. Pakistan and the whole world appeald to the Russians to mediate. A person who was 15 yrs old and 1st year in college, very interested in politics, reading not only Indian news papers, but also N.Y. times and other foreign newspapers I have some incling towards what the truth was. A victor in a war never agrees to give away propery that looser is holding.

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  • Jack and Shurli went up the sky....
    Sep 29, 2011 - 12:41AM

    @Thomas:
    You stated:
    When India attacked and went all the way to Lahore

    Well, that never happened. They did attack and promised to have tea in Lahore butthe dream was never realized.

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  • Sep 29, 2011 - 8:51PM

    @Lee P:
    So making a pact means losing confidence in Army? This whole war on terror is about encircling Russia and China. All the trouble spots in the world are coincidentally around China and Russia economic interests. Using Islam to gather patsies to serve Imperial interests whether it is liberating oil fields for supra national oil companies or breaking up nation states (Remember Yugoslavia?). So the war is between Washington consensus and Beijing Consensus, guess which side Pakistan and Saudia is choosing now?

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