The curious case of Osama bin Laden

Published: May 3, 2011

The writer is professor of physics at Quaid-i-Azam University in Islamabad

Osama bin Laden, the figurehead king of al Qaeda, is gone. His hosts are still rubbing their eyes and wondering how it all happened. Although scooped up from Pakistani soil, shot in the head and then buried at sea, the event was not announced by General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani or by President Asif Ali Zardari. Instead, it was the president of the United States of America who told the world that bin Laden’s body was in the custody of US forces.

Suggestions that Pakistan played a significant role ring hollow. President Obama, in his televised speech on May 1, said “our counterterrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to bin Laden”. But no sooner had he stopped speaking that his top national security aides declared that the United States had not told Pakistani leaders about the raid ahead of time. Significantly, Obama did not thank Pakistan. An American official pointedly declared that the information leading to bin Laden’s killing was shared “with no other country” and this top secret operation was such that “only a very small group of people inside our own government knew of this operation in advance”.

Today, Pakistan’s embarrassment is deep. On numerous occasions, our military and civilian leaders had emphatically stated that bin Laden was not in Pakistan. Some suggested that he might be in Sudan or Somalia. Others hinted that he might already have died from a kidney ailment, or perhaps that he was in some intractable area, protected by nature and terrain and thus outside the effective control of the Pakistani state.

But then it turned out bin Laden was not hiding in some dark mountain cave in Waziristan. Instead, probably for at least some years, he had lived comfortably smack inside the modern, peaceful, and extraordinarily secure city of Abbottabad. Using Google Earth, one sees that the deceased was within easy walking distance of the famed Pakistan Military Academy at Kakul. It is here where General Kayani had declared on April 23 that “the terrorist’s backbone has been broken and inshallah we will soon prevail”. Kayani has released no statement after the killing.

Still more intriguing are pictures and descriptions of bin Laden’s fortress house. Custom-designed, it was constructed on a plot of land roughly eight times larger than the other homes in the area. Television images show that it has high walls, barbed wire and two security gates. Who approved the construction and paid for it? Why was it allowed to be away from the prying eyes of the secret agencies?

Even the famous and ferocious General Hamid Gul (retd) — a bin Laden sympathiser who advocates war with America — cannot buy into the claim that the military was unaware of bin Laden’s whereabouts. In a recorded interview, he remarked that bin Laden being in Abbottabad unknown to authorities “is a bit amazing”. Aside from the military, he said “there is the local police, the Intelligence Bureau, the Military Intelligence, the ISI — they all had a presence there”. Pakistanis familiar with the intrusive nature of the multiple intelligence agencies will surely agree; to sniff out foreigners is a pushover.

So why was bin Laden sheltered in the army’s backyard? General Pervez Musharraf, who was army chief when bin Laden’s house in Abbottabad was being constructed in 2005, unwittingly gives us the clearest and most cogent explanation. The back cover of his celebrated book, In The Line Of Fire, written in 2006, reads:

“Since shortly after 9/11 — when many al Qaeda leaders fled Afghanistan and crossed the border into Pakistan — we have played multiple games of cat and mouse with them. The biggest of them all, Osama bin Laden, is still at large at the time of this writing but we have caught many, many others. We have captured 672 and handed over 369 to the United States. We have earned bounties totalling millions of dollars. Here, I will tell the story of just a few of the most significant manhunts”.

So, at the end of the day, it was precisely that: A cat and mouse game. Bin Laden was the ‘Golden Goose’ that the army had kept under its watch but which, to its chagrin, has now been stolen from under its nose. Until then, the thinking had been to trade in the Goose at the right time for the right price, either in the form of dollars or political concessions. While bin Laden in virtual captivity had little operational value for al Qaeda, he still had enormous iconic value for the Americans. It was therefore expected that kudos would come just as in the case of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the Kuwaiti-born senior al Qaeda leader who was arrested in Rawalpindi, or Mullah Baradar, the Taliban leader arrested from Karachi.

Events, however, have turned a potential asset into a serious liability. Osama’s killing is now a bone stuck in the throat of Pakistan’s establishment that can neither be swallowed nor spat out. To appear joyful would infuriate the Islamists who are already fighting the state. On the other hand, to deprecate the killing would suggest that Pakistan had knowingly hosted the king of terrorists.

Now, with bin Laden gone, the military has two remaining major strategic assets: America’s weakness in Afghanistan and Pakistan’s nuclear weapons. But moving these chess pieces around will not assure the peace and prosperity that we so desperately need. They will not solve our electricity or water crises, move us out of dire economic straits, or protect us from suicide bombers.

Bin Laden’s death should be regarded as a transformational moment by Pakistan and its military. It is time to dispense with the Musharraf-era cat and mouse games. We must repudiate the current policy of verbally condemning jihadism — and actually fighting it in some places — but secretly supporting it in other places. Until the establishment firmly resolves that it shall not support armed and violent non-state actors of any persuasion — including the Lashkar-e-Taiba — Pakistan will remain in interminable conflict both with itself and with the world.

Published in The Express Tribune, May 4th, 2011.

Reader Comments (161)

  • John
    May 3, 2011 - 9:40PM

    The golden goose concept is crystal clear to every one except the people of PAK, who still subscribes to Hamid Gul’s theory. Really sad.

    The “cooperation” of PAK US referred in the capture of OBL relates to capture of his courier by PAK army few years back and not in Abbottabad operations. PAK is trying damage control and it may not work once the truth comes out in coming weeks. Recommend

  • JJ
    May 3, 2011 - 9:53PM

    I agree professor, the ISI and the Army will destroy this country. Recommend

  • Alibaz
    May 3, 2011 - 10:04PM

    very smart and correct analysis
    army was silly here
    we must crush -not talk-with these stupid jihadisRecommend

  • PriyaSuraj
    May 3, 2011 - 10:11PM

    It is impossible that the Americans carried out this operation without the knowledge of at least some Pakistanis. This event shows the fault lines in the infamous ISI. There are those in the ISI who were sympathetic to OBL and provided him a sanctuary and then there are those who realise (willingly or under duress) that the state policy of terrorism is not giving the desired dividends and cooperated with the US. Either way ISI is becoming more and more of an independent entity without anyone really controlling it. It seems every one can be bought. Now it remains to be seen who will bid higher for them, the fanatics or the US.Recommend

  • faraz
    May 3, 2011 - 10:37PM

    Among the locals, the large fortified compound was called Waziristan Haveli because its residents belonged to Waziristan. And the agencies had no idea that the 10 canal compound located 500 yards from the military academy is owned by people from Waziristan, the place famously called the epicenter of terrorism. Unbelievable!Recommend

  • Aamer
    May 3, 2011 - 10:51PM

    Agreed with Hoodbhoy for the first time in life.

    Just curious about all the pride in our Airforce and Army about the impregnable “defence of Pakistan, in your face Pak Army. Recommend

  • B Khan
    May 3, 2011 - 11:10PM

    very true Professor!!Recommend

  • Farid Malik
    May 3, 2011 - 11:35PM

    This is a nice read. However, I still believe that his death is also very curious. There are two many loose ends.
    How did helicopters, relatively slow as compared to fighter jets, crossed the border into the heart of Pakistan and the army never knew?
    Why didn’t they prove his death? Why didn’t they show the video like in the case of Saddam’s capture?
    Where is his body? Why was he buried at sea so soon? Why didn’t they keep his body like they did in the case of other captured fugitves? How come they became so respectful of Islamic laws?
    My take is he died years ago. This is just a popularity stint among other things. One thing is for certain, though. Pakistan has dark days ahead.Recommend

  • Talha
    May 3, 2011 - 11:37PM

    ridiculous article written for the benefit and enjoyment of Indian readers Recommend

  • SURR
    May 3, 2011 - 11:38PM

    Oh please Mr Hood Bahi for once leave you agenda aside and stop blaming pakistan for everything!Recommend

  • Noor Nabi
    May 3, 2011 - 11:40PM

    A sunk economy – one that has for too long carried the heavy burden of defence expenditure at the cost of providing health and education to the citizens of Pakistan – combined with a military that is ineptly mired with interfering in domestic politics and shaping foreign policy is a malignantly dangerous situation. The fact that the US defence team was able to carry out an extremely challenging operation and take out Osama from a safe house provided to him by his protectors speaks volumes for itself. If the state security agencies knew that Osama was in Abbottabbad and did not do anything about it that is a shame. If, as one finds hard to believe, the ISI network did not know what was going on in the immediate vicinity of the Kakul Military Academy that is an even bigger shame.

    The Day of Reckoning has arrived. A few generals should not hold the future of 180 million Pakistanis hostage. Come clean and reform the Pakistani armed forces into becoming a first class professional force that only guards the frontiers of the country. If this is not done, and the military leadership continues to stay on its current path, then the writing on the wall is dreadfully frightening. Recommend

  • saleem khan
    May 3, 2011 - 11:42PM

    Pakistan has to stop holding the gun to his own head (its own people) be negotiating with the World. It has to get out of this suicidal mode.Recommend

  • rafe
    May 3, 2011 - 11:44PM

    Brilliantly written,a very balanced and thought provoking perspective. Duplicity needs to end. We are just inviting a war that we can not win, no matter how many prayers or fanatics we have on our side who swear to finish off america. Wont happen. Recommend

  • Kat
    May 3, 2011 - 11:49PM

    I like liberal conspiracy theories.Recommend

  • RR Iyer
    May 3, 2011 - 11:58PM

    Dear Editor:
    It gives me great pleasure to read Dr Hoodbhoy’s comments on the ground realities in Pakistan.
    The elimination of Bin Laden should provide a major opportunity for Pakistan-as Dr. Hoodbhoy had clearly recommended-to put its house in order and sweep clean the remnants of its jihadi infrastructure and networks. Lone voices of reason like Dr. Hoodbhoy, Messrs. Kamran Shafi, Najam Sethi, Irfan Hussein and Ayaz Amir-have cried hoarse for Pakistan to come out of the Dark Ages and into the modern enlightened world. Can Pakistan do this while it is feeding the terror machine? Unless the Pakistani Army is living under a rock, nobody believes in its denials and the code words “terror by non-state actors” anymore. This was true of India and Russia in the past, but today, the UK, EU and the US-including vast sections of its population that has lived through 9/11- is pointing a finger at Pakistan.
    It gives me no satisfaction to state this. Pakistan has all the makings of a modern state-a vibrant intelligent population, youth bulge and access to the Middle East, Central Asia and with some opening moves against terror, the US and EU. Its Army is professional and is expanding its reach into the Middle East within the new movements. Under these conditions, and with an open-hearted PM like MR. MM Singh in India, please grab the initiative to settle Indo-Pakistan tensions once and for all, and emerge reawakened in the new comity of nations.
    I have lived in India and the US and I yearn for the day when both countries will truly live under a peaceful umbrella. Every problem is solvable-Kashmir, Line of Control, joint development, trade relations-but the heart should open up! Let the Pakistani Army and specially, Gen Kayani-who can be quite inspiring when the mood takes him-reach out to PM Singh at this critical juncture, and once and for all, put Indo-Pakistan relations in high gear! This will bring in all the others-The US, China etc. and this loose talk of “War under a Nuclear Overhang” will be once for all, put to rest! Any other strategic path, especially support for home grown jihadi groups is the prescription for blowback into Pakistan, and the potential for a Security Council resolution against Pakistan with severe repercussions. IT will certainly not be the moderate Pakistan that Mr. Jinnah had in mind for Pakistan!Recommend

  • Taha
    May 4, 2011 - 12:02AM

    Very true. After so many assurances that Osama was not on our soil, the man turned up beside our army’s most elite academy. While the involvement of our own forces can not be identified or isolated, the army chief chose to remain silent over the issue, knowing that saying nothing will turn out to be worse than something. And as wild speculation goes on, at home and abroad, about the harboring of Osama in our own backyard, our military heads won’t conflict their theories as they have been doing in the past. Maybe the value of silence is still yet to be appreciated… Recommend

  • parvez
    May 4, 2011 - 12:03AM

    Nice analysis but seems a little too cut and dried. Recommend

  • M Ali Khan
    May 4, 2011 - 12:13AM

    30 years on and our ‘khudai faujdaars’ are still in a state of acute denial that has done nothing but given Pakistan torment both home and abroad.Recommend

  • sarah
    May 4, 2011 - 12:13AM

    mr. hoodbhoy, as always you are articulate and insightful! excellent piece!Recommend

  • M Ali Khan
    May 4, 2011 - 12:20AM

    That being said, I dont buy the whole ‘official’ report of the Pak Army not knowing about Usama Bin Laden’s removal operation. Donald Petreus’ visit to Pakistan and meeting Kayani on 25 April and them ‘going on a secret location on a plane’ is obvious signs that the Army knew about the operation but decided to be dumb about it.Recommend

  • Roflcopter
    May 4, 2011 - 12:20AM

    “Bin Laden was the ‘Golden Goose’ that the army had kept” Typical Hoodbhoy.Recommend

  • May 4, 2011 - 12:33AM

    these are factsRecommend

  • a ercelan
    May 4, 2011 - 12:45AM

    oddly, hoodbhoy does not even discuss the possibility that the americans knew for a while where Osama was but decided to wait for an opportune time to murder him. Reducing forces in afghanistan from june onwards – this may be one reason for the murder at this time. It is immaterial whether the americans knew on their own or had been informed by pakistani protectors of osama. bargains between devils, at least 3 in this case, can be complex.Recommend

  • Noman
    May 4, 2011 - 12:52AM

    OK. But why Osama trusted to live under the nose of Pakistan’s military? Recommend

  • optimist
    May 4, 2011 - 12:52AM

    This article proves only one thing: that Pakistani writers are free to write anything they like. There is no censorship even to write against the ‘sacred’ army or even the very foundation of the country. Recommend

  • John
    May 4, 2011 - 1:02AM

    Earth is still flat, Obama was not US citizen, PAK president is American agent, OBL death was fake and staged, and ISI is telling the truth, PAK army broke the militants back, and ET is not under censorship.

    Good luck PAK. Recommend

  • Zubair Torwali
    May 4, 2011 - 1:21AM

    I do not like people who comment but hide their actual names. Please agree or disagree but do not hide your real names.

    For instance what these mean: optimist, john, a erclean, RR lyer, kat, JJ???

    It is moral dishonesty.Recommend

  • Saboor Syed
    May 4, 2011 - 1:46AM

    This episode has shown Pak Army and Intelligence establishment’s true colors even for those who don’t want to believe their own eyes/ears. At best this shows they are utterly incompetent and at worst complicit in the enterprise that kills Pakistan’s own citizens, not to mention those outside.

    Need of the hour is to throw out all outsiders who are killing willy nilly in Pakistan; let them go to Middle East, Egypt or wherever they have come from and do their killing there.

    Finally, it’s time to take away the billions of dollars spent on so called defense that belong to the hard working and beleagured Pakistanis. The military establishment is just good at living in air conditioned homes and driving expensive cars. They have ruined, dismembered the counrty and stolen its wealth. Their latest antics have wreaked havoc to the very soul of Pakistani people. The ROI of this enterprise is abjectly negative.

    This emperor has no clothes and we just saw his limp short comings in public.Recommend

  • Meekal Ahmed
    May 4, 2011 - 2:07AM

    Brilliant — as I would expect.Recommend

  • Arindom
    May 4, 2011 - 2:12AM

    Kayani and Pasha were recently given extensions to ensure the operation went successfully….Recommend

  • Kashif
    May 4, 2011 - 2:22AM

    Typicall Hoodbhoy.Interesting article. I agree with some of his points but I donot agree with him soley, but then every person has a right to his free opnion, provided he is not working on a hidden agenda.Recommend

  • Ali
    May 4, 2011 - 2:26AM

    Sir…
    Don’t you think you should try something new?
    Don’t you think relating everything Pakistan does with tha American aid is…. (Lame)??Recommend

  • turidoc
    May 4, 2011 - 2:31AM

    Good article, i appreciate ur courage but most of the things are already known to readers who care a bit about logical reasoning. you have a sane voice which must be heard n read. Our establishment has sweared not to learn any lesson from our last 30 yrs of history, still busy in working on the same absurd theory of strategic depth which only bring dollars to the general’s pockets.Recommend

  • Parvez+Mahmud
    May 4, 2011 - 2:34AM

    It amazing that lot of news happens in Pakistan and there is wide range of opinion in Pakistani media.All these foreigners can’t stay away because they have such boring life and come here to give bad advice and show hatred. They can’t stand the range of freedom Pakistani’s have. Recommend

  • rifaye (india )
    May 4, 2011 - 2:43AM

    i have been visiting express tribune for quiet a while..untill yesterday, to the eyes of pakistanis, isi/army are the true protector of pakistan next to allah..they hate politician and consider isi/army as the only saviour of pakistan. today to the same eyes they are the biggest villans.

    @Farid Malik : i know u really want to tell some conspiracy theory.come out of that mind buddy…t the person inside the house was actually binladen, which was confirmed by an pakistani intelligence official. few of your journalist like hamid mir and few others have told this to india news media and also foreign media..that there were 17 people inside the building.including 2 women(thought to be wife ),almost 10 childres and 3 adult ( including osama ).americans have taken one of the guy other than binladens body, and left others in the building,..so give up those rediculous theory.however, i am awaiting for zaid hamids theory..he is such a entertainer..must tell another fairy tale story ..

    if there is anyone whome to blame for all the chaos, it is your own country. always look strategic interest as a way to gain power, influence and economic gain..now the whole world will look so harsh and tough on you..i wouldnt be surprized if there are more unilateral strike from us..and on the other hand you earned the wrath of taliban, ttp, and other groups..

    remember, if there is one more terror attack on western nation, you know where the whole world will point their finger ? and this time its certainly not afghanistan…but i hope such things dont happen..Recommend

  • Jasmer Singh
    May 4, 2011 - 2:56AM

    Excellent as are all professor Hoodbhoy’s articles
    However any member of “the local police, the Intelligence Bureau, the Military Intelligence, the ISI”could have passed the information they had onto any one of the numerous CIA agents in Pakistan. It is difficult to believe that the USA too was not fully informed right from the beginning but decided to wait till now so as not to weaken the American people’s willingness to pay for its terribly expensive and useless “War Against Terror”.Recommend

  • Salim Ansari
    May 4, 2011 - 4:09AM

    Pakistani people like to hear Zaid Hamid and Hamid Gul talking about flying the Pakistani Flag on the Red Fort and nuking Bangalore Silicon Valley rather than Dr. Hoodbhoy who has been repeating for such a long time that there is no threat from India.

    I will suggest that Dr. Hoodbhoy migrate to India – where they will welcome you and give you a high position – so that they can benefit from your wisdom. Recommend

  • RR Iyer
    May 4, 2011 - 4:30AM

    @Zubair Torwali:
    My name is RR Iyer. What is your problem, Mr. Torwali? I have given my address in my e-mail, more than you have done.
    Equally important, you have stated no opinions or facts except to tell us of your frustrations-that I assume are many.
    Please do not be consumed by your importance..
    RR IyerRecommend

  • kanishka
    May 4, 2011 - 5:30AM

    This sorry state will continue till eternity unless the HOLY BOOKS are debated in a healthy way and cleansed of texts that are hateful and that can be used to brainwash future generations…

    In a span of one generation (25-35 years) the mindset of the whole country can be changed for the good or bad…
    Its upto Pakistan to choose from the Wahabi/Salafi/Deobandi teachings or from REFORMED/IJTIHADED TEACHINGS of ISLAM…….

    I mean no disrespect to anyone’s religion..Recommend

  • Aziz Akhmad
    May 4, 2011 - 7:43AM

    The “golden goose” is dead now. How and from where are we going to get the golden eggs now?Recommend

  • Jay
    May 4, 2011 - 7:48AM

    Mr. Singh: …”terribly expensive and useless “War Against Terror”.
    The war was not created by USA It was a response to the terrorist attack on US properties (Consulate and USS Cole) and on American soil (WTC).

    In the game of International politics it will take long time to know who, if anyone, did know UBL/OBL’s where abouts in Pakistan but the impression that has been created is either the army/isi is bunch of buffoons or there is a crack in the organization and the support for the jihadist has weakened.

    For the American public it is a hard pill to swallow that the army/isi did not know the whereabout. Claim that the compound was raided in 2003 and then went off the radar is kind of hollow after seeing the satellite image of the compound in 2003 which was a barren plot with some wall and no building. May be the image is not true but living within 100 yards of the elite military academy and not being known is very hard to believe. US acting alone is an indication of not trusting the arm/isi for this target.

    If the reports are true that the home was worth $1M then, looking at the pictures, the living quarters were clearly not fitting the cost of the house.

    One can keep on blaming America for everything but it is time to look in the mirror for introspection and make a change that is within Pakistani people’s control to have better living conditions for and prosperity for women and children the future is with them. The democracy has not done well in past and supposedly the politicians have looted the country which the army has not done so but the change has been very slow also.Recommend

  • XX
    May 4, 2011 - 7:52AM

    Sorry to say, but – but this is one simpleton professor if I’ve ever seen one.Recommend

  • Zahid Hussain Khalid
    May 4, 2011 - 8:30AM

    This elite class of educated Hoodbhoys sees the world only from their single enlightened / moderate perspective. Al-Qaida is a harmless monster compared to what educated elite class is doing to Pakistan:1: Education has become unaffordable. Educated youth is desperately trying hard to get out of the country to start a decent career
    2: Justice is bought and sold for millions of rupees in high and supreme courts
    3: More than sixty percent of Pakistan’s populations is victim of loadshedding drone attacks more than eight times a days for at least two hours each time
    4: Petroleum and food prices are sky-rocketing
    5: Business houses are moved to Bangladesh and other countries
    6: Pak ruppee has become a worthless piece of paper, gold price is sky rocketing but capital market is doing fine (!).
    7: Television channels are flooded with ads
    8: Mis-management and plunder of natural resources, corruption, bad governance, incompetence, negligence, favoritism, exploitation, extortion, target killing, wrong social and economic policies, out of control institutions and their incompetent heads have become ORDER OF THE DAY.
    9: People are advised to enjoy the fruits of so-called externally imposed sham democratic set up with the help of civil and military agencies and an irresponsible media.
    10: Can you and your colegaues in media absolve yourself of the responsibility for keeping those political vultures alive in your news stories, columns, analyses and television programs who were and are not news-worthy?
    11: Did you ever compare the cost of education and its comparative post graduation benefit in terms of remuneration?
    12: Do you know how much interest / profit banks pay to the depositors and how much do they charge from the borrowers? Is there any justification for the brutal imbalance?What you Mr. Hoodbbhoy are worried about are only two things: Pakistan’s nuclear capability and Pakistan’s armed forces! I also criticise armed forces, ISI and army generals including Genral Kiyani in my comments posted on Tribune in most unkind words BUT I strongly believe that they are misguided and misdirected by so-called inteelctuals and elite class to which you and others belong.BY THE WAY MAY I ASK TO WHOM ARE YOU LOYAL? FROM WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INSPIRATION?Recommend

  • Ramón
    May 4, 2011 - 8:31AM

    I would like to think that (thinking it’s free, of course), is only a guess, OK?.
    Suppose that Bin Laden is very comfortable at home watching TV and this is all a psychological strategy to make that Bin Laden (or his staff), react to the news and emit a statement or send a tape to a TV station to deny the news . Well, the idea would be to get some sign of life, reactions or clues that help to the government to know or suspect where is he located?. It makes no sense that someone as valuable as Bin Laden and with so useful information that would help to fight the terrorism, has been thrown into the sea and … That´s all Folks!Recommend

  • omar
    May 4, 2011 - 8:32AM

    I think it is plausible that GHQ really did NOT know where Bin Laden was hiding. But GHQ has failed to act against (or even to regard as potentially suspicious) the “good jihadis”, both within the ISI and outside it. Because of that, the ordinary Pakistani police and the average local security officer does not have to be a jihadist to fail to take note of jihadists in his area. All that is needed is that some sympathizers within the intelligence community set up such a compound and let it be known that it houses “good jihadis” and has been checked out. NO ONE else will want to look into it. Everyone knows which way their bread is buttered.
    As a practical matter, the “war on terror” is never going to get too far while there are good terrorists being protected, while there are sympathizers in power and while the vast psyops apparatus of GHQ is spreading disinformation that demonizes the US, Jews, Hindus ,CIA…everyone but the jihadists.
    The reorientation of Pakistan away from JIhadist fantasies would be a huge task even if the army was fully on board. Its a nearly impossible job in the current scenario. Anyone can be a good jihadi today and a bad jihadi tomorrow and since no one can tell the difference too well, everyone stays out of the way. For GHQ to drop the notion of fighting their real and imaginary war with India using “good taliban” and “good jihadists” is not a side issue. It is the main issue. Unfortunately, some of the auguries are not good.
    On the other hand, it may well be that this is the best GHQ can do for now. Maybe their psyops apparatus is as much outside their control as their former jihadi soldiers. Either way, its going to be a long hot summer.Recommend

  • ArifQ
    May 4, 2011 - 8:34AM

    1) If Americans can jam our radars then what prevents them from taking out our nuclear assets?
    2) Why hasnt the military establishment not reacted? Their entire security has been compromised, surely that must have set off alarm bells!
    3) OBL and his family had nothing in common with the locals of Abbotabad, how come they were never noticed?
    4) If there was no cooperation, then how come OBL family and friends meaning the remaining survivors were handed over to the local authorities? Did they leave a yellow slip attached to their backs!

    These are questions that need t be answered but knowing the current state of cloaks and daggers it seems very unlikely. This was a joint operation, and I am guessing OBL was probably lured into the “open” either at the behest of his ‘keepers’ or because of the continued threats of drones which have unsettled his security network.

    I agree with the Professors ending argument, it is imperative for Pakistan to end its not so hidden relationship with religious extremists. Recommend

  • Srinath
    May 4, 2011 - 8:56AM

    Can there be greater irony that In the land of Mahbub-ul-Haq, khakis and spooks are given a lion’s share of their resources at the expense of the deprived masses, Some of them even get extensions despite their sloppy performance. What about their accountability? Recommend

  • Net Neta
    May 4, 2011 - 8:58AM

    Golden Goose, Cash Cow, Flying Pig, all one and same.
    Stinking fish is at the bottom of the sea. Recommend

  • Mahmood Hussain
    May 4, 2011 - 9:17AM

    chorr chori say jaey par hera pheri say na jaey( Its need decade more to clean ziaism from Pakistan Army)Recommend

  • May 4, 2011 - 9:23AM

    Now we know what CFR point of view is.Recommend

  • SD
    May 4, 2011 - 9:33AM

    Very true indeed. But Pakistanis will not agree. Recommend

  • Amir
    May 4, 2011 - 9:36AM

    Its time Pakistanis wake up & ask the so called ‘protectors of the nation” to give account of their misdeeds. They are the ones who brought Pakistan to this stage. Recommend

  • hassan
    May 4, 2011 - 10:00AM

    @John:
    You forgot to add these:
    Moon landing is a fake,
    World Cup semi final was fixed,
    LTTE Chief is in Canada,
    Eminem is actually Elvis in disguise,
    Sylvester Stallone is an alien,
    Someone split the moon into half some 1400 hundreds ago,
    Quantum physics explained in hadiths,
    Mirror image of Coke reads ‘Allah’,
    Indian ladies commit Sati (immolation in funeral pyre)
    and Da Vinci was actually a Muslim !!!Recommend

  • Khan
    May 4, 2011 - 10:13AM

    A good article and pertinents points raised but let me ask you a few very basic questions:

    IS OBL REALLY DEAD? WHY WAS HIS BODY DISPOSED OFF IN SUCH A HURRY? WHY IS USA UNUSUALLY LENIENT WITH PAKISTAN AFTER FINDING THIS MAN SAFELY ENSCONCED NEAR A MILITARY CENTER?

    My questions may look naive, but nobody was questioning American claims of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, till they were not found anywhere, even then nobody bothered much. in the case of OBL, there is a list of unanswered questions and Robert Fisk has made a good analysis of this whole situation in his article appearing in the press. Recommend

  • Nobody
    May 4, 2011 - 10:25AM

    @Farid Malik:
    “This is a nice read. However, I still believe that his death is also very curious. There are two many loose ends.
    How did helicopters, relatively slow as compared to fighter jets, crossed the border into the heart of Pakistan and the army never knew?
    Why didn’t they prove his death? Why didn’t they show the video like in the case of Saddam’s capture?
    Where is his body? Why was he buried at sea so soon? Why didn’t they keep his body like they did in the case of other captured fugitves? How come they became so respectful of Islamic laws?
    My take is he died years ago. This is just a popularity stint among other things. One thing is for certain, though. Pakistan has dark days ahead.”

    With respect to those who are having a hard time believing this, and perhaps understandably so, I offer you my own answers to the above questions. Whether my answers are what REALLY happened, I don’t know but nonetheless here goes….
    As far as the helicopters entering Pakistani airspace, I agree with you on that, I don’t believe NO ONE in Pak knew of this mission because it would’ve been too difficult to go that deep into Pakistan without being detected, even moreso in a helicopter.
    He was buried at sea soon after because as they wanted to follow Islamic law for his burial, they knew they had 24 hours to bury him, or put him in his eternal resting place. I can understand not wanting to keep his body because a) nobody wanted it, and b) if he had been buried somewhere on land, it would undoubtedly become a shrine for people who shared his ideology, or would serve as a reminder to those same people to “always hate the west and fight against its waging war against Islam”, OR as there are many people whose lives have been affected by OBL’s atrocities around the globe, the potential for ‘grave robbers’, although I personally don’t know how big of a problem that would actually be.
    As for being respectful to Islamic laws, as a rule the average American (and I use that term loosely) is not anti-Islam as much as they have are anti-radicalism (which to some can have blurred lines). And moreso, Obama himself is not one to disrespect even a monster such as OBL in death. It would be in poor taste to trash his body even though I’m sure some people would have no issue with that. Plus, American’s know trashing his body would only invite MORE hate and anti-American sentiment. Bad PR. Not something it can afford. And lastly, in keeping with ‘American values’ they couldn’t mishandle the body, even that of a terrorist. That kind of example would only show Americans to be no different from terrorists who desecrate, disrespect, behead, burn etc bodies of muslims and non muslims.
    I can see why some may believe he’s been dead, I personally don’t think so. For many different reasons, a small one being, if he’s been dead then where did that live Tweeter come from? But, I suppose those who believe OBL has been dead will find an explanation for something as small as a neighbor posting live tweets, which can easily be fabricated. I agree with you and many others on one thing, Pakistan definitely has dark days ahead.
    Wow, I don’t think I’ve ever posted such a long comment let alone a reply on ET. Cheers!Recommend

  • May 4, 2011 - 10:32AM

    May piece prevails in south Asia and Pak progresses like Turkey or Malaysia economilcally and set an example to both islamic countries and world. Right time has come now to decide her future course.Recommend

  • Aslam Ghalib
    May 4, 2011 - 10:33AM

    The article by Dr.Pervaiz Hoodbhoy is really based on the realities which just uncovered with the death of Osama Bin Laden.Pakistan as a soveriegn state doeasn’t not seem to have control over the external interventions.The so called authorities have bowed down before the world’s super power as could bot prove their credibility and kept assitining the terrorists by providing them shelter in the very core and most sensitive areas of the country.There is no option left to believe that the authrities are just puppets in the hands of the external forces which use them according to their own strategies and feasibility.The foriegn policy of the country has no worth in circumstances like April,2nd.
    I am am preety surprized about the governing and functioning bnodies of the countires who have ultimately shown their true faces and have left nothing for the poor and deprived citizens to live a life free os miseries and worries.Recommend

  • Nobody
    May 4, 2011 - 10:33AM

    @optimist:
    That’s a freedom to cherish, not oppose. Recommend

  • ConfusedHoodbhoy!
    May 4, 2011 - 10:38AM

    Now Dr sahab will write/advice/tell on our security issues. Lol cant we all stick to our own field of expertise!? :PRecommend

  • Sonam Shyam
    May 4, 2011 - 10:44AM

    The arguments that either this operation was stage managed or that Pakistani army was fully aware of the operation don’t make any sense whatsoever and none other than usual conspiracy theorists would believe them. The basic point is that if Pakistan wanted to allow Americans to kill or to pretend to kill Osama, then why on earth would they choose a location right in the heart of Pakistan and only few hundred meters away from Pakistan military academy? They could have easily relocated Bin Laden to some tribal region and got him killed there. Why would the Pakistani army embarrass itself in the eyes of the world by allowing Americans to kill Osama just a couple of hours of drive form Islamabad? The fact is that Pakistan not only has been caught with its pants down but also in a compromising position with the enemy and now presenting silly excuses. The facts are as clear as daylight. The Pakistani ISI had been shielding Osama and various others terrorists like Mullah Omar, Haqqani brothers, Hafeez Sayeed, Masood Azhar, Syed Salahuddin, Illiyas Kashmiri, Dawood Ibrahim etc since they are Pakistan’s strategic assets and also act as a force multiplier in a conflict. In Osama’s case, Americans could have easily jammed the Pakistani radars and came in undetected. By the time Pakistanis actually came to know about the operation, the Americans could have threatened them in to submission as they did post 9/11. If ISI knew about Osama’s location then they could not protect him and if ISI didn’t know then it is simply disgraceful. In either scenario Ahmed Shuja Pasha and Ashfaq Parvez Kayani owe an explanation to Pakistan and the rest of the world. The deafening silence of these gentlemen clearly reveals that they are simply shell shocked and the spokesman of Pakistan army Maj.Gen.Athar Abbas is also conspicuous by his absence. The educated Pakistanis instead of believing in conspiracy theories should aggressively confront their military with some pointed questions and not further allow the military to destroy the nation. Recommend

  • Saleem
    May 4, 2011 - 10:46AM

    Kepp up the good work Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy Recommend

  • Asmat Jamal
    May 4, 2011 - 10:59AM

    Thanks God, its over at what ever cost.
    OBL and extremists have physically, morally and mentally made Pakistanis sick.
    Hopefully we will see a peaceful and free of bigotry -PakistanRecommend

  • ashok sai
    May 4, 2011 - 11:00AM

    Everything boils down to ‘one rogue army’ and its intentions to screw the world and also its own people, wait….actually its ‘one rogue army with nuclear weapons’…..whats now ?Recommend

  • Truthseeker
    May 4, 2011 - 11:01AM

    @Zubair Torwali:
    Are You interested in real name or the opinion of the person. Even if one tells the real name as you have, no one could be sure whether the person is morally upright in his/her dealings with others or not.On the basis of opinions one can’t issue certificates for morality.

    Dr. Hoodbhoy’s rationale could be prejudiced as he is human being , but it is based on solid foundations of logic, common sense and wisdom.Recommend

  • Palvasha von Hassell
    May 4, 2011 - 12:14PM

    @a ercelan:

    Agree with u.Recommend

  • Palvasha von Hassell
    May 4, 2011 - 12:17PM

    @optimist:

    Yes indeed, freedom of expression is something to cherish…doubt if so much freedom exists in some places that cry themselves hoarse about it when it suits them, like Britain, the US and others.Recommend

  • syed Imran
    May 4, 2011 - 12:23PM

    For once I agree with Mr. Hood Bhoy.Recommend

  • Sadaf
    May 4, 2011 - 12:51PM

    @SURR:
    I think we Pakistanis need to start blaming ourselves for the mess we are in. It might be a healthier attitude than the delusions we’ve created about ourselves! Admit our mistakes, learn from them and then move forward!Recommend

  • Neel
    May 4, 2011 - 12:56PM

    Are you sure that the “two remaining strategic assets” are not already in the clutches of US authorities? They have demonstrated to the whole world how deep in our country…..They have just demonstrated that they are the mastersRecommend

  • Dr. Qadeer
    May 4, 2011 - 12:58PM

    Only two scenarios:

    Military knew and sheltered OBL (which they does more likely), the Army Chief, ISI chief and few corps commanders should be immediately sacked and tried for treason.

    Military does not knew about OBL living under their nose:- ISI Chief, Army Chief and heads of intelligence agencies should be fired and tried for criminal negligence.

    Their trial should be open and held in Supreme Court to gain the trust of nation and world community on Pakistan.

    We have reached beyond the stage of ‘enough is enough, if we as a state want to survive, we have to come clean on this issue, otherwise, our future does not seem very promising.Recommend

  • atul
    May 4, 2011 - 1:10PM

    US will continue to put Pakistan on knees until they stop begging for money and other aid. By consistently requesting the military, financial and other support, Pakistan has put its sovereignty at a great stake…Recommend

  • Ashok Jha
    May 4, 2011 - 1:14PM

    Sorry Salim, Pakistan needs this professor more. he must stay in Pakistan to hold candle to those who are condemned to remain in dark, to those who are playing into the hands of religious fanatics and destroying the country. yes one thing we indian can do is to pray for the safety of this professor and those who thinks like him@Salim Ansari: Recommend

  • R S JOHAR
    May 4, 2011 - 1:21PM

    Pakistan’s goose is cooked either way. It is damned if it says it went along with the US and it is damned if it says it was not aware what Americans were doing. Not a small price to pay for its two timings.Recommend

  • R. Khan
    May 4, 2011 - 1:35PM

    Excellent & truthful analysis!Recommend

  • Khalid Rahim
    May 4, 2011 - 1:52PM

    Should we not ask Obama to bring a regime change in Pakistan and we should recommand
    Dr Pervez Hoodbouy as the President and Chief of Army Staff so that he could appoint the DG of ISI. Adeel Mahmood as Minister of Interior and Law and Justice, as well as security.
    Nadeem Paracha as Minister of External Affairs and Trade with charge of Pakistan Air Force
    so that we could scrap our agreements with China? There is Cyril Almedia who could serve
    as Minister of Finance, Commerce and Industry along with Naval chief portofolio and we do
    not need any Parliament or Judiciary as they both are obstacles in path of progress. With these four Think Tanks to take care of the Ghariat Brigade and Conspiracy Theorists we will have no fear of any invasion, all terrorist groups will disappear in thin air and under the tricolor umbrella of Yellow Red and Blue we would remain safe from all threats. Recommend

  • rohit
    May 4, 2011 - 2:06PM

    @Farid Malik:
    Some answers. The choppers had radar evasion technology,it is claimed,which helped prevent their detection. OBL ws buried at sea,apparently to prevent glorification. They were respectful of Islamic burial practices so that they were not needlessly accused later of being anti-islam.
    Naturally releasing gruesome videos & pictures will also contribute to glorification & bitterness, so no point in doing that!Recommend

  • Zahid Hussain Khalid
    May 4, 2011 - 2:13PM

    @ Noor Nabi

    “The Day of Reckoning has arrived. A few generals should not hold the future of 180 million Pakistanis hostage. Come clean and reform the Pakistani armed forces into becoming a first class professional force that only guards the frontiers of the country.”

    Who will do that?

    Do you expect Asif Zardari, Nawaz Sharif, Altaf Hussain, Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman, Imran Khan and Asfandyar Wali to do that who are enjoying or are hoping to enjoy the fruits of being in politics only due to ISI’s nod and an irresponsible media in which journalists cannot see beyond their noses. The politicians, the generals and the journalists are so used to each other that they cannot live and survive without each other. They exchange information, they rehearse TV Talk Shows, they exchange notes on newspaper columns. THEY ARE ALL ONE AND THE SAME.

    Pakistan is not threatened from outside. Its survival is put in doubt by political leaders, four and three star generals and majority of leading English and Urdu journalists and anchors. What you read in newspapers and watch on television is in politest words topi drama of like minded deception merchants.

    AND THAT IS THE ONLY TRUTH!!Recommend

  • Zahid Hussain Khalid
    May 4, 2011 - 2:28PM

    @ Noor Nabi

    “The Day of Reckoning has arrived. A few generals should not hold the future of 180 million Pakistanis hostage. Come clean and reform the Pakistani armed forces into becoming a first class professional force that only guards the frontiers of the country.”

    Who will do that?

    Do you expect Asif Zardari, Nawaz Sharif, Altaf Hussain, Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman, Imran Khan and Asfandyar Wali to do that who are enjoying or are hoping to enjoy the fruits of being in politics only due to ISI’s nod and an irresponsible media in which journalists cannot see beyond their noses. The politicians, the generals and the journalists are so used to each other that they cannot live and survive without each other. They exchange information, they rehearse TV Talk Shows, they exchange notes on newspaper columns. THEY ARE ALL ONE AND THE SAME.

    Pakistan is not threatened from outside. It’s survival is put in doubt by political leaders, four and three star generals and majority of leading English and Urdu journalists and anchors. What you read in newspapers and watch on television is in politest words topi drama of like minded deception merchants.

    AND THAT IS THE ONLY TRUTH!!Recommend

  • Zahid Hussain Khalid
    May 4, 2011 - 2:29PM

    @ Noor Nabi
    “The Day of Reckoning has arrived. A few generals should not hold the future of 180 million Pakistanis hostage. Come clean and reform the Pakistani armed forces into becoming a first class professional force that only guards the frontiers of the country.”
    Who will do that?
    Do you expect Asif Zardari, Nawaz Sharif, Altaf Hussain, Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman, Imran Khan and Asfandyar Wali to do that who are enjoying or are hoping to enjoy the fruits of being in politics only due to ISI’s nod and an irresponsible media in which journalists cannot see beyond their noses. The politicians, the generals and the journalists are so used to each other that they cannot live and survive without each other. They exchange information, they rehearse TV Talk Shows, they exchange notes on newspaper columns. THEY ARE ALL ONE AND THE SAME.
    Pakistan is not threatened from outside. Its survival is put in doubt by political leaders, four and three star generals and majority of leading English and Urdu journalists and anchors. What you read in newspapers and watch on television is in politest words topi drama of like minded deception merchants.
    AND THAT IS THE ONLY TRUTH!!Recommend

  • Zub
    May 4, 2011 - 2:39PM

    @optimist:

    There is nothing sacred about the army anymore. If they want respect they have to earn it. Recommend

  • Right IN
    May 4, 2011 - 3:43PM

    Dear Professor … Ur specialization is International Relations ? OR – if I remember correctly (which in fact I do) – Was it Physics ?

    Like everyone else in this country u too are entitled to do everything else but what u are actually qualified for, but at least keep it to the level of a hobby. Acting Pro while faring even worse than an ammateur is carrying it too far. With no research to support ur contentions and outright dependence on cliches can only carry u that far. Pls come up with something better in content and analysis if u so obsessed with becoming a specialist in strategic studies; otherwise pls keep these ideas to be shared only with ur friends during the evening gatherings. For the people at large u are becoming too predictable – we wud love to see if u can manage come up with anything else than Pakistan Army, ISI and Pakistan’s Nuclear Program.

    No harm in trying at least … otherwise pls try to concentrate on ur day job. Recommend

  • raheem
    May 4, 2011 - 3:44PM

    true & events like these will eventually open pakistani eyes. 30 years of Strategic Depth – the military-mullah alliance has destroyed pakistan, forever changed its culture, has allowed universities/colleges in extremist hands (jamiat) and not allowed peace with india… a need now to end this game which allows our generals and military to make millions while we die in poverty…. Please leave us alone.Recommend

  • Zoha Waseem
    May 4, 2011 - 3:51PM

    ‘So, at the end of the day, it was precisely that: A cat and mouse game. Bin Laden was the ‘Golden Goose’ that the army had kept under its watch but which, to its chagrin, has now been stolen from under its nose. Until then, the thinking had been to trade in the Goose at the right time for the right price, either in the form of dollars or political concessions.’ – Very well-written! Recommend

  • Lobster
    May 4, 2011 - 3:56PM

    @SD:

    Very true indeed. But Pakistanis will not agree.

    If you didn’t notice yet, Hoodbhoy is a Pakistani. Not only he but numerous others are asking questions regarding the event, Pakistani media is a buzz with the discussions. To reach an agreement, the truth must come out, without any biasness.

    @To the author: Well, the golden goose theory is fits well but has some flaws, not the least why would Osama choose (or army choose) to keep his presence so close to military academyRecommend

  • May 4, 2011 - 4:57PM

    The problem with this story is that it assumes and implies that CIA people are a bunch of idiots who had no clue of his whereabouts. This is not supported by public records…

    strong textLet me remind all that the news that Osama was in a Rawalpindi military hospital on Sept. 10, 2001 was broken by none other than the celebrated anchor Dan Rather of CBS News, one of the biggest of the US networks, that produces 60 minutes. That news was not denied. I feel we should have a well reasoned debate on any issue but it feels like we have two cults… A jihadi cult and a Bush cult. Both the camps see things in black and white. It is my reading that the Bush administration wanted to keep him alive for a reason and that is why hundreds of his supporters were airlifted by PaK troops from Tora Bora in November 2001 to Gilgit and Chitral air bases. This is undisputed and has been well documented and was not denied by even Dick Cheney’s office.

    See these links:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/28/eveningnews/main325887.shtml

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3340165

    http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2002/01/28/020128fa_FACT

    Musharraf and the Bush administration were together in evacuating Al Qaeda from Tora Bora in 2001

    And that is why both Osama and Clinton have refrained from attacking Pakistan and its leadership. I will be happy to debate this with any analyst or writer or editor the reports and facts I have listed above.

    The lesson is clear: stop playing puppets of America because they will dispose you off when they are done. Obama is just trying to put all that behind and that’s why he did not blame Pakistan at all.Recommend

  • May 4, 2011 - 5:03PM

    Very true and clear picture of our establishment’s mind and ingnorence.Recommend

  • Super Patriot
    May 4, 2011 - 5:04PM

    If you are not happy to live in Pakistan, then feel free to leave. With self hating Pakistanis like you, who needs enemies and detractors???Recommend

  • May 4, 2011 - 5:16PM

    What Pakistan needs is to get rid of Islamic constitution and sharia law and push for a secular, liberal democratic constitution and nationaly identity. As long as Islam is a cornder stone of countries like Pakistan, Iran and Egypt and millions of people bend down whith their heads towards Saudi-Arabia and Meccea five times a day, Bin Ladens and Saudies and their Islam and Sharia rules these countries and their independence is naught but a dellusion. Pakista, Iran and Egypt are mere inferior satellites of Saudi-Arabia till they get rid of Islamic state forms, laws and traditions.Recommend

  • FactCheck
    May 4, 2011 - 6:04PM

    @RR Iyer:

    Keep on dreaming. Recommend

  • Ali
    May 4, 2011 - 6:12PM

    It doesnt matter, OBL’s death will not save Amrika and all its supporters from defeat in Afghanistan and its ultimate collapse like soviet union. Recommend

  • saeed
    May 4, 2011 - 6:32PM

    Opportunity to transform Pakistan

    ‘We didn’t know’ if this is what the ‘most feared’ agencies and army telling than god bless Pakistan. We were told time and again in fact at least 4 times in the short history of Pakistan that only army could save Pakistan. We were programmed to sing songs for them…now we know that they are responsible for destroying Pakistan with their adventures and lust for power but also are quite inept when it comes spying and intelligence gathering.
    I heard the speech of general Kiyani the other day…he was talking about sacrifices and national pride… I think it should start from there. If you compare the life style of our retired generals with Indians and even with Americans, you find that these guys are in for money and not for any honor.

    Time has come for Pakistan to repurpose resources from military so maybe we can really stand up. Here is an opportunity to make Pakistan whole. At this time we are closer to Somalia than Indonesia. We are standing at the crossroad of history. Great nations are made by people and not by dictate. Look at what is happening in Indonesia, Turkey and other countries; they were all run by military dictators at some point. Look at them now; they are functional democracies and thriving. So it is possible to transform Pakistan into a decent civilized society.

    The Worst civilian government is better than a dictator for a simple fact that you can potentially throw them out. Recommend

  • Pirzado Azhar Ayaz, France
    May 4, 2011 - 6:57PM

    Well-noted with logic and reason Professor! We need to define our direction once for good!Recommend

  • Talat Haque
    May 4, 2011 - 7:26PM

    A spade is a spade and no matter who jumps around saying what ………. it will stay a spade ……. so everyone here ought to recognize reality ……… brilliant article!Recommend

  • Adnan Khan
    May 4, 2011 - 7:30PM

    There are only two choices: either appear inept, or in collusion with terrorists. The Pakistan Army can afford neither. So there present situation is riding a tiger and they will try to ‘ride it out’ as long as they can.
    .
    Two things are clear. Our Army and ISI is being led by smart-asses who have got their asses handed to them.
    .
    I fear that what we have here is (again) a one-man show at the top. Consultations are not being undertaken, confidences are not being shared. Such blunders are only the outcome of one mind at work.

    Adnan KhanRecommend

  • am
    May 4, 2011 - 7:38PM

    Boogey man Osama is no more. Do not fear. Now we can sleep peacefullyRecommend

  • Ali
    May 4, 2011 - 7:43PM

    No doubts it is totally a stunt to save USA ship from sinking and give Obama a chanceto get soem votes next year …. very cheap stunt … OBL had most Probably died before hand and they may well be having the body too but were waiting for the right moment to cash it ….. silly silly americans Recommend

  • May 4, 2011 - 7:48PM

    @Srinath:

    what about poor in land of Amritya Sen?Recommend

  • Akif Nizam
    May 4, 2011 - 8:06PM

    The entire premise of the article is based on a bad choice of an idiom by Musharraf. A cat and mouse relationship in Urdu is much different than that in English. Musharraf used it in the wrong context. The blame game is speculation only and not backed up by a shred of evidence.Recommend

  • Khurdra
    May 4, 2011 - 8:54PM

    @John:
    you say ET is censored….just try to post anti India comments on any Indian news site,….you will understand what censorship is….!!! you will never see your comments printed there for years….stop bring ET in your debate…ET is most open minded newspaper in the world….
    and stop ridiculing Islam by referring to ShaqulQamar miracle in sarcastic way…or Criticizing Quran regarding Quantum physics….I will not resort to saying anything bad about geeta, mahabharat, bible etc…we are not as hollow as you people are………Recommend

  • Ajay
    May 4, 2011 - 9:40PM

    @Zahid Hussain Khalid:
    Harmless for Muslims not others !Recommend

  • Nalini Savara
    May 4, 2011 - 9:51PM

    I do not mean to diminish the seriousness of the discussions,and comments,However, it seems to me mankind is hard wired to justify whatever he wants to believe,and justify not to believe,something when he so chooses.Within this framework,his reflections,by way of comments, on the circumstances of Bin Ladin’s demise and its repercussions is amusing at best.The truth will only be known 50 years later,when most of us will be gone,and the then generation will not care enough to make any significant impact. So live and let live.Mankind is self destructive,anyway.Recommend

  • Don
    May 4, 2011 - 10:14PM

    It is great relief to know that there are a few wise people left in Pakistan like the author who can provide insightful analysis. Unfortunately majority doesn’t seem to heed. That is exactly the tragedy of Pakistan.Recommend

  • Dr. Qadeer
    May 4, 2011 - 10:28PM

    @Khalid Rahim

    My job requires to go through a lot of non-sense with smile but I might loose my job the day I have to handle someone like you :)Recommend

  • Anoop
    May 4, 2011 - 10:51PM

    You speak the language of an Indian. That language is hated by the Pakistanis.

    We have been shouting on the top of our voices that Osama is in Pakistan and is probably is some safe house in one of its cities. Our Home Minister and PM have said that same exact thing many times in the past. Nobody listened. Now, it turns out we were right after all!!!

    The State of Pakistan is slowly disintegrating. Turns out the Military which consumes most of the Budgetary resources cant even stop a few slow moving helicopters from flying into its Territory. Recommend

  • LooseSalwar
    May 4, 2011 - 11:34PM

    Here is a challenge to Pakistan. Stay out of international headlines(for all the wrong reasons) for just one month of 2011. Please?Recommend

  • Bhola Bhala
    May 5, 2011 - 1:48AM

    You people really really believe that some higher ups in the Pakistan ISI/Army DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS OPERATION? Oh so three flying machines can get into the air space of a nuclear power and they kept sleeping on their radar watch. Please come out of your conspiracy theories and think like adults. I am really disappointed in Mubashar Lucman who is showing the fake pictures of Osama and has his conspiracy machine in full churn. When will they all grow up?Recommend

  • Khan
    May 5, 2011 - 1:53AM

    Why isn’t anyone in the comments talking about dear old Musharraf? The article clearly sheds some light on it. When was the compound built? 2005. And Osama had been living there for so 5 years at least. Did this happen without the knowledge (and even support) of dear old Musharraf? Musharraf, the closest and biggest ally of US in the war on terror, Musharraf who sits back and comfortably enjoys all this drama unfolding on his TV screen in London (or Dubai). Nobody will buy that Osama was in the heart of Pakistan in a million dollar complex without Musharraf’s knowledge and full support. He should be tried in the International Criminal Court, and he cannot plead himself not-guilty. That would surely be a big milestone in Pakistan’s history and it will teach the ISI and Pakistani military elite a much wanted lesson. Recommend

  • pakpinoy
    May 5, 2011 - 1:55AM

    @Farid Malik:

    The cry for proof is so shallow. Most Pakistanis didn’t, many still don’t, believe 9/11 ever really happened or if so was a conspiracy. Not enough proof there for you?? Likewise, Pakistanis didn’t believe the Taliban existed, nor Al-Queda, nor OBL, on and on.

    Proof only matters to those who are interested in the truth. You and most Pakistanis are not, so there’s no reason to even try.Recommend

  • John F
    May 5, 2011 - 6:11AM

    Hoodby is know as an agent in the institute he works, its know to people of Islamabad. So, he is merely trying to tell his master that this puppy belongs to them. On every event he has exposed himself. Y the hell culprits like him dont get lost from the land they abuse??? wel, its lot easier to do job for master being there…I wonder he is consider crazy lot n here the article is appreciated by indians or any sick person…THE MONKEY IN JUNGL THINKS ALL THE WORLD IS CROWDED BY ANIMALS!!! NO QUESTION OF MANKIND..same stands true for Indians n west, their thoughts, openions set by media masterminds..they dont have openion of their own..Recommend

  • Thunder Striker
    May 5, 2011 - 6:57AM

    Mr. HoodBOY……

    boy, boy, what an article. After all this time you have got a real golden GOOSE opportunity to flush out your poison against the Pakistani nation, you have been very articulate in spreading your poisoned thoughts and also i have seen that you have attracted a host of foreigners especially from our neighboring country and the empire of USA (Your GOD Fathers). Thank you again for laying straight the western propaganda along with your sinister thoughts, this will surely keep the bonuses flowing from your GOD Fathers.

    And to all QAU students…..how do you stand this great personality.Recommend

  • Zahid Hussain Khalid
    May 5, 2011 - 8:58AM

    @ Ajay

    It was comparing the ills in our sosiety with Al-Qaida. Al-Qaida, as it appears, is neither harmless for Muslims nor non-Muslim because their targets are both. If you go through the statistics of their victims more Muslims have died across the globe due to the terrorist acts of Al-Qaida than non-Muslims. What we forget to do is to treat the symptoms of the disease instead of blaming the patient for his illness. Who are Al-Qaida members? The people who are either on the run for their lives or those who are disenchanted with social, economic and political conditions in their countries. Look at the problems I have listed. Is there any solution, a serious debate or a serious effort in sight? We have columnists like Hoodbhoy who comment on day to day affairs from their vested perspectives. We do not have a single platform of intellectual elite class that takes on the responsibility to voluntarily create a platform or a think tank of experts from different walks of life. Where they may take up the issues, thoroughly analyze them, construct social and economic sector development models and compare them with models that are available to see how can Pakistan benefit from them, come up with strategic options and prepare a unanimous plan of action to finally TELL THE PEOPLE THIS IS WHERE TO GO!

    I personally tried that and ended up with personal loss of millions of rupees because none from media owners to owners of advertising agencies and from presidents and prime ministers to international donors were interested in undertaking anything that needs to be seriously done. That is why knowing all of them well I declared whatever is going on in media not only in Pakistan but across the globe as a TOPI DRAMA of vested interests.

    To end this comment let me make it clear that to me the life of a non-Muslim is as precious for me as that of my own. No one has any right for any reason to hurt any one. I do not want to see even a tear in anybody’s eye not to mention anybody’s blood on any human being’s hands. Let is respect life and make it enjoyable for everyone if we can!Recommend

  • Crazy guy
    May 5, 2011 - 9:02AM

    Friends, OBL is a history now. But the most important thing you people need to check out is this that how much of the reward money of US$ 25 billions goes to foreign bank accounts of Briyani and Dosa. So till then cross your fingure and keep an eye.Recommend

  • mind control
    May 5, 2011 - 9:46AM

    @Khalid Rahim

    At least you will not be caught in bed with Osama with your pants down. And that, will be a great improvement from the current scenario.

    Good thinking.Recommend

  • Zahid Hussain Khalid
    May 5, 2011 - 10:26AM

    @ Ajay

    I was comparing the ills in our society with Al-Qaida. Al-Qaida, as it appears, is neither harmless for Muslims nor non-Muslims because their targets are both. If you go through the statistics of their victims more Muslims have died across the globe due to the terrorist acts of Al-Qaida than non-Muslims. What we forget to do is to treat the symptoms of the disease instead of blaming the patient for his illness. Who are Al-Qaida members? The people who are either on the run for their lives or those who are disenchanted with social, economic and political conditions in their countries. Look at the problems I have listed. Is there any solution, a serious debate or a serious effort in sight? We have columnists like Hoodbhoy who comment on day to day affairs from their vested perspectives. We do not have a single group of intellectual elite class that takes on the responsibility to voluntarily create a FORUM or a think tank of experts from different walks of life. Where they may take up issues, thoroughly analyze them, construct social and economic sector development models and compare them with models that are available to see how can Pakistan benefit from them, come up with strategic options and prepare a unanimous plan of action to finally TELL THE PEOPLE THIS IS WHERE TO GO!

    I personally tried that and ended up with personal loss of millions of rupees because none from media owners to owners of advertising agencies and from presidents and prime ministers to international donors were interested in undertaking anything that needs to be seriously done. That is why knowing all of them well I declared whatever is going on in media NOT only in Pakistan but across the globe as a TOPI DRAMA of vested interests.

    To end this comment let me make it clear that to me the life of a non-Muslim is as precious as that of my own. No one has any right for any reason to hurt any one. I do not want to see even a tear in anybody’s eye not to mention anybody’s blood on any human being’s hands.

    Let is respect life and make it enjoyable for everyone if we can!Recommend

  • SURR
    May 5, 2011 - 11:16AM

    So this is the new game blaming Army and Pakistan. Disgusting……….Recommend

  • Sherry
    May 5, 2011 - 11:33AM

    @Talha: These are the just the harsh and sickening realities in this country that the professor has pointed out…..Recommend

  • Zahid Hussain Khalid
    May 5, 2011 - 11:35AM

    @ Ajay

    I was comparing the ills in our society with Al-Qaida. Al-Qaida, as it appears, is neither harmless for Muslims nor non-Muslims because its targets are both. If you go through the statistics of its victims more Muslims have died across the globe due to the terrorist acts of Al-Qaida than non-Muslims. What we forget to do is to treat the symptoms of the disease instead of blaming the patient for his illness. Who are Al-Qaida members? The people who are either on the run for their lives or those who are disenchanted with social, economic and political conditions in their countries. Look at the problems I have listed. Is there any solution, a serious debate or a serious effort in sight? We do not have a single group of intellectual elite class that takes on the responsibility to voluntarily create a platform or a think tank of experts from different walks of life where they may take up social, economic, political, diplomatic and military issues, thoroughly analyze them, construct social and economic sector development models and compare them with models that are available elsewhere to see how can Pakistan benefit from them, come up with strategic options and prepare a unanimous plan of action to finally TELL THE PEOPLE THIS IS WHERE TO GO!

    To end this comment let me make it clear that to me the life of a non-Muslim is as precious as that of my own. No one has any right for any reason to hurt any one. I do not want to see even a tear in anybody’s eye not to mention anybody’s blood on any human being’s hands.

    Let is respect life and make it enjoyable for everyone if we can!Recommend

  • Khurram Naeem
    May 5, 2011 - 12:33PM

    I cann,t understand the Liberals that they always favor west and their thoughts but show their dishonesty and brutality in their articles and make their results in favor of them. For west we have lost 50 b with more than 30k lives of Muslims and division between people and our pro American policies policies. We should decide clearly that are we secular and will stand clearly with west the economic and political stability is in front of you as an answer of this Question. or are we Muslims and stand with Islam with our people and ensure our sovereignty at any cost the whole nation will stand with us. But If we try to continue our secular thoughts to satisfy west and sugar coating of islam to satisfy our people then Ethiopia and Kongo will be our future.]Recommend

  • Ali
    May 5, 2011 - 1:02PM

    Dear Mr Hoodbhoy:

    Do you expect us to believe US side of story? Especially when all their previous claims turned fake stories and imaginary things. WMD in Iraq, is an excellent example of their behaviour.

    With no official involvement of Pak government, it is also questionable if OBL was infact in Pakistan, he was killed in Pakistan.

    You may also appreciate the fact that US made execution of Saddam public despite criticism. While is not releasing proofs regarding death of OBL or his presence in Pakistan. Everyone including US admits that they have not seen a glimpse of OBL in last 6 years in that compound. So, It is quite possible that they claimed killing OBL to hide their embarrassment of doing a failed operation just on a huntch. You can imagine what would have been the reaction, if they had told us they found nothing…………….

    Personally, I believe is to wait for few months and situation will clear up. Recommend

  • MS
    May 5, 2011 - 1:20PM

    I am Indian and i am surprised by views of Pakistani people here. We want Pakistani people to come ahead and act against terrorism.
    It is going to good for both sides.Recommend

  • mfmalik
    May 5, 2011 - 3:02PM

    Star plus non ending drama with seven reincarnation of OBL eventually ends in a very dramatic way and this time world had to believe his death as the verification was provided by the U.S president. I wonder how for once American’s “SOLDIER OF GOD” had died without any counteraction to the same country special forces. It seemed that he kept AK47 only for video purposes or perhaps he wanted to honor that title. lol
    Mr. Hoodbhoy is famous for anti-thoughts for establishment in Pakistan and always talks though reckless but without any hesitant against them. The writer in this article is either too innocent to write “stolen from under his nose” or too ignorant and that’s what happen when physicist start writing as an analyst on establishment and its role. If writer thinks ISI knew the existence of OBL and was protecting him then wouldn’t they knew the purpose of two American helicopters that fled from ghazi base?? And does he think ISI was too dumb to save their “Golden Goose” in plain sight ignoring the other terrains that could possibly protect him??
    I am not pro ISI but writer has mentioned establishment’s double face of supporting jihadis at one place and meanwhile fighting them at other place. I believe and as they say everyone has its own set of interests and they pursue it without acknowledging the damage that can be done. Same is the case with Americans in form rymond davis and mark iron and many others that were/are working for their interest inside Pakistan. So stop blaming Pakistan and establishment and start doing something thoughtful.
    For instance, think how come fire-fight which was last for 40 minutes with one crashed helicopter, yet no one witnessed bullet marks on the compound? Or timing of OBL killing’s impact on next upcoming U.S presidential election? Or prove that how this 9/11 and OBL killing events are not fishy, if u think that there is not any fishy thing?Recommend

  • Malik
    May 5, 2011 - 4:14PM

    I am sure there are still many terrorists enjoying the lavish lives in safe heavens of the cantonments of Quetta and Peshwar pampered by ISI. Recommend

  • Aurangzeb
    May 5, 2011 - 4:45PM

    Hoodbhai is a brave writer in Pakistan speaking against but true to his own people. It is not a easy business he is performing since many years.. well done professor!Recommend

  • Aurangzeb
    May 5, 2011 - 4:49PM

    Hood bhoy is such a brave writer speaking against but true to his own people. It isn’t a easy business he is performing since many years… well done Professor! Recommend

  • Vijay
    May 5, 2011 - 6:08PM

    I appreciate your thoughts and ask to investigate further into why Pakistan joined US as ally in 2001 in war ?Recommend

  • afgan
    May 5, 2011 - 7:00PM

    Pakistani establishment should redesign its policies in favour of its people and in favour of theire mother land (My dear Sir , proud of you)Recommend

  • Super cyclone
    May 5, 2011 - 10:21PM
  • Uni
    May 5, 2011 - 10:49PM

    How in the world do WE know it WAS Bin Laden?

    Weirdly enough, everybody seems to be declaring Bin Laden’s death without,/i> any proof whatsoever. Recommend

  • Bushra Ahmed
    May 5, 2011 - 11:48PM

    Hoodbhoy! you are always so precise, simple n logical. OBL has been for the nation like Gilgamesh; they cant believe that he is dead For many of people its a drama and OBL is still alive. As for as our agencies and army is concerned now these are “yajooj majooj” who are going to eat the nation unless either they themselves or nation chained this jin . Recommend

  • Fortune Cookie
    May 6, 2011 - 12:44AM

    The police and the army only arrived after the mission was accomplished!!!! The army was caught sleeping. How can this be possible. With the government ranking the army to be the BEST in the region?. Recommend

  • Akbar Ali
    May 6, 2011 - 11:00AM

    I always thought OBL could be in some thickly populated urban areas of Pakistan but in smallest of ‘mohallas’ with hidden exit routes etc as he was known for his cave-in technology.But I never thought he would be such a goof to live near Kakul in big mansion and with no exit tunnels.More shocking is why did not he explode himself,his son,wiveschildren,entire compound and men there to save embarrassments FOR US.Ingratitude.He could kill every Pakistan by his suicide jackets in Pakistan but not himself nor his near kith and kin.Selfish!Recommend

  • abhinav
    May 6, 2011 - 11:23AM

    Some times I wonder if all the conspiracy threorist really beleive in what they say?

    If Osama is not killed in this attack he should speak sooner or later. Most of the times things are same as the look, always looking for some complicated explaination is result of paranoid mind.Recommend

  • May 6, 2011 - 11:47AM

    aoa…excellent piece of facts analyzing,now we must raise in very much serious manner against our so called defenders(army) who are responsible for chaos in this state and specially in Pashton areas.These army generals brain-wash innocent children and then utilize them for their own vested interests,it is shameful. Recommend

  • May 6, 2011 - 11:50AM

    @John:
    its true,but these kind of thoughts and beliefs are structured by the organized state institutions like Mullah-Military alliance… Recommend

  • hassan
    May 6, 2011 - 11:53AM

    @Uni:

    18 people have been taken by custody, including a young lady and many children. How about asking them?

    Will their words be good proof for you?Recommend

  • Sheikh Sarmad
    May 6, 2011 - 12:58PM

    excellent analysis Sir, but army would be run by low IQ generals like Hameed Gul, Aslam Beg, Zia ul Haq, who look towards popular slogans rather than the best interests of our countryRecommend

  • Uni
    May 6, 2011 - 3:17PM

    @Hassan
    The entire family of those killed by Raymond Davis disappeared in an instant, and re-surfaced for a minute, just to re-iterate the government’s line of statements and somehow assure us that they cooked their dinner, and suddenly had a flash of inspiration, left all of their belongings (dinner included) and rushed to sign the ‘diyat’ papers. Would I believe them? No.

    Similarly, a bunch of people caught from that ‘mansion in Abbottabad’ will sweetly give all the statements the ISI/military/US govt wishes, and idiots like us will be expected to believe ‘em. Already there are too many conflicting stories about those who were caught – one ludicrous example is the statement by one of the ‘wives’ “Oh, Osama was living here for five years’ …

    It’s simple, really. To shut us up, there is only one way out. The truth. Unfortunately, nobody who knows it, wants to do that. Take it our dear President, our equally dear Prime Minister, or the esteemed Obama who – for one thing – could have made the sure the ‘brave men’ who ‘shot and killed Osama’ could have at least brought the body back to Afghanistan.Recommend

  • May 6, 2011 - 4:12PM

    . Now we cannot be sure if Pakistan is and its nuclear weapons are secure from any foreign aggression. Sadly, this incident has shown to the world that capabilities of our intelligence agencies and air defence system is zero. Even the Indian Army chief General V.K.Singh had the guts to claim that his Indian forces were competent to carry out an operation similar to the one carried out by the US forces. It is shameful.

    The US Navy SEALs operation ‘Geronimo’ conducted in Abbottabad in which Osama Bin Laden is claimed to be killed has risen two questions. Let’s say we believe Osama Bin Laden is dead then why the reluctance to release the photograph , with the bullet wound over his left eye? Why did they bury the body at sea, the one place whence it could never be exhumed? All this shows that it is totally a well planned drama to prove that the top most leader of al Qaeda was hiding inside Pakistan since so many years but Pakistan always indicated its innocence about his presence and has been harbouring al Qaeda operatives and terrorists which are deadly enemy of the United States. Therefore, US can now convince the world that Pakistan’s nuclear weapons are quite unsafe and might fall into the hands of al Qaeda operatives at any time which will be disastrous for the American nation and European countries. Hence,CIA can now carry out drone attacks on the suspected hideouts of al Qaeda operatives any where inside Pakistan and US can also ask UN to impose sanctions and carry out invasion on Pakistan to take its nuclear weapons in its protective custody. It may be recalled that the Bush administration, which cooked up fake evidence to justify launching war on Iraq, may yet conveniently ‘discover’ unconventional weapons ‘weapons of mass destruction’ (WMD) in Iraq. So an Iraq like situation is developing in Pakistan but with a little difference. In Iraq it’s people loved their country and the rulers but in Pakistan it is neither of the two. Here the question remains. Is Pakistan nearing the fate of Iraq?Recommend

  • Wanderer
    May 6, 2011 - 4:58PM

    Dear Dr.

    Concentrate on Physics. This is what your job is. And if you are so good in ‘ your own field’ why don’t you give this nation one Einstein people around the globe remember for centuries? This nation is in mess because of people like you who instead of concentrating on their tasks always poke their noses in that of other’s. Politics, Defense, War games and strategies are not your fields for obvious reasons.Recommend

  • noor
    May 6, 2011 - 5:22PM

    Just to highlight, from above differing statement of CIA cheif, that probably even in US spy agency cheif has a strong position;
    What I understand is, rather most of agencies in India, Russia, Israel, etc are the strong holds and actually their people have come from amongst the masses.
    I t seems that the politicians normally come & go, they can’t even file a bill in their parliament, without approval of agencies.
    Maybe, they just want to weaken Pakistan so as to have an edge in the global competition in which every country is in competition with other.
    The best option for us is to have an un-corrupt & competent structure of govt whether democratic or something else, but should continue good agendas.
    Afterall, the democracy is a slogan of west, true their is consultation in Islam, but not everybody’s vote / say has the same value. Although anybody can dare to be accountable for anyone else.
    Do we have to follow democratic system blindly? how about the conditions of honest reputation, etc in respect of leaders & officials.
    Even Quaid-e-Azam asked the leaders / civil servants to remain as public servants and not cross their limits.Recommend

  • Ahmed
    May 6, 2011 - 6:48PM

    Totally agree with Mr. Hoodbhoy. Pakistan is governed by these semi educated, chauvinistic, anti-female and anti-global army folks. They are living in history. They do not understand that India is a modern nation, with an economy that will become the top three in just 15 years. Peace with India, trade with india, high expenditure on education, good investment policy, good trade policy and zero tolerence for extremists like LeT, Jamaat-e-Islami, JUI and the TTP is the only way out for this nation of 180 million. People Like Imran khan, are also equally dangerous for Pakistan.

    People of Pakistan instead of defending our status quo, should really go after these backward forces.

    AhmedRecommend

  • Amit Bajwa
    May 6, 2011 - 9:30PM

    Its a big shame. What pakistan’s army and ISI is doing is very very dangerous for the world and particularly Pakistanis all over the world. I live in US and have many friends from Pakistan who like many of us from India are working hard to make a honest living with dignity and peace. This revelation of Osama and terrorist mass murders protected by Pakistan puts many of the honest pakistani people at risk and suffering. Please stop it Pakistan for God, Allah whatever you wish to believe or not believe .. stop it… we are all human beings who seek just life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.. Recommend

  • Anil Kapuria
    May 6, 2011 - 11:45PM

    As it stands now, there is also a clear divergence of Pakistani and American / NATO interests in Afghanistan on how war must be concluded. This divergence absolutely benefits India, and probably fumes Pakistan’s generals. They must be singing “Munni badnam hui darling kiske liye” and wondering that they allowed their people to be killed all for what.

    Pakistan cannot replace America with China make some corrections and go on its trajectory. This trajectory will only crash Pakistan. A new trajectory is needed.

    This is not GWOT against so called jihadis, It is a war for Pakistan’s Islam and its identity. China is not going to be sympathetic on Islamic militancy and neither would Russia, the other two powers to reckon in the region, and obviously would never India allowed it to proliferate inside its borders, even though it is not a power but it cannot be wiped out of the geography. China will not put huge investment in developing dream pipeline to itself for energy to flow through areas in Pakistan. Certainly not until China has secured peace with India, or India’s surrender. The risk of exposing Chinese economy to a scenario of Indian “attack” on such a pipeline is too much of a price. Gawadar Port is worth watching, for it Pakistan will rent itself out to China as it has been renting its interests out to America. Such must be Chinese strategic thinking.

    Pakistan needs to call it enough is enough, and must commit to clean up its internal cancer. India is not its internal cancer. It should get stronger before taking on India for its aspirations in India’s Kashmir.

    Pakistan can indeed make a safe bet that India cannot disintegrate it to develop its new trajectory. The world will not allow that to happen. The world needs to be at peace with the world’s largest Muslim armed forces, nuclear or not.

    Therefore, Pakistan, as part of the framework of its new trajectory, can demand a nuclear umbrella from China, the U.S., and Russia in exchange for giving up of nuclear weapon, and also demand a treaty to protect it against any possible future aggression by India. This trajectory thus creates economic opportunities in Pakistan and for all beyond. This will dawn an era of peace to build prosperity for the first time in Pakistan’s 64 years of existence.

    This is a paradigm shift that south Asia needs. Pakistan comes out a winner in peace against its perceived or real enemy India.

    Hope death of Osama moves the region in the right direction.Recommend

  • sameer
    May 7, 2011 - 4:05AM

    Your article has some inaccuracies.OBL already had at least a million dollar bounties on him. If ISI had handover him, they would have at least got a million.
    Secondly if ISI had tried extract political concession, then it would have again evoke a attack from USA.

    I think we should only support one terrorist group i.e USA.Recommend

  • naeem
    May 7, 2011 - 7:41AM

    I just do not understand the mindset of my nation Pakistan? What is really going on? How come Kayani and his comrades cannot come out and make a statement. Is it so difficult to speak the truth? At least apologize to the nation, pamapered and spoilt Pakistan army,ISI and the elite “democratic” PaK governement!!Recommend

  • Mohaammed
    May 7, 2011 - 9:33PM

    Osama Bin Laden was not the only major terrorist sheltered in Pakistan. Even now, the following major terrorists are being sheltered and supported in Pakistan. Those intelligence, military and political leaders of Pakistan responsible for sheltering and supporting terrorists should be questioned and held responsible for their criminal actions.

    Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, Head Of Lashkar-e-Taiba who was responsible for the terrorist attacks in Bombay on 11/26/2008.
    Dawood Ibrahim, the under-ground terrorist leader who was responsbile for multiple terrorist bomb attacks in Bombay on 3/12/1993.
    Jalaluddin Haqqani and his son Sirajuddin Haqqani, fundamentalist Taliban commanders of Haqqani network fighting Afghan and American forces.
    Mullah Mohammed Omar, the head of Afghanistan’s ousted Taliban regime

    The fact that Osama Bin Laden was living close to Pakistan’s capital Islamabad adjacent to major military establishments shows that he had high level political and intelligence support in Pakistan. It has been reported that Osama Bin Laden had financed and supported the political campaigns of Nawaz Sharif, former Prime Minister of Pakistan and his brother Shahbaz Sharif, the current Chief Minister of Punjab in Pakistan. Sharif brothers and some elements of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency and military have covertly supported terrorist organizations like Lashkar-E-Taiba and Taliban in Pakistan.

    It is high time Pakistani people realise and defeat these sinister elements in their political, military and intelligence leadership who are destroying democratic secular development of Pakistani society, in order to benefit their own short sighted ambitions. Also, Wahabists in Saudi Arabia and UAE who are financing and stoking fundamentalists in Pakistan and Afghanistan should be exposed and defeated.Recommend

  • Mohaammed
    May 7, 2011 - 9:39PM

    Prof..Pervez Hoodbhoy is one of the sanest courageous thinkers in Pakistan. Listening to him might save Pakistan and South Asia from nuclear arms race and catastrophe.Recommend

  • Balraj Cheema
    May 8, 2011 - 2:25AM

    @sarah:
    I tend to agree with Sarah that pRo. Parvez Hoodbhoy has always presented the topic in a clear, logical and illuminating manner. His articles reward invariably refreshing insight into the things he talks about. This one is no exception.Recommend

  • May 8, 2011 - 3:41PM

    It is time that the ISI, the Army and indeed the people of Pakistan realised that their delusions of grandeur are just that – delusions. We have pretensions of being ‘players’ in the region with influence, when in fact neither is true. It would be far better if we concentrated on getting our own house in order and leave the Afghanis and the Kashmiris to sort out their own issues in their own way and time. We have our very own Baluchistan crisis to manage in any case. Far better to apply our limited resources in bringing the country and people together to work towards an HONEST, LITERATE (and I don’t mean a nation who can parrot read the Quran) and functioning society first. There is so much talent and potential in our people – why can’t they see it and use it towards something positive instead of this scheming and double dealing. We might be good at small time corruption and deception, but let’s face it – when it come’s to bigger fish and larger ponds, we’re pretty hopeless!! And that very small time corruption and deception that has led us down this cul-de-sac.Recommend

  • Jahan Zeb Khan
    May 8, 2011 - 8:01PM

    I wish Pakistanis learn some lessons and dismantle Jihadi ideas. No country in Central and South Asia has any expansionist ideology except Pakistan; Wish a peaceful and true federation in Pakistan based on the principals of Hoodbhai that he is advocating since long. Recommend

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