Pakistan to grant MFN status to India ... eventually

Published: April 29, 2011

Talks between India and Pakistan commerce secretaries come to an end in Bhurban, with Mahmood and his Indian counterpart Rahul Khullar leading the talks for their respective sides. PHOTO: INP

BHURBAN: 

Pakistan has agreed to eventually grant most-favoured nation (MFN) status to India, making commitments and laying out a bilateral institutional framework designed to remove all hurdles to progress on that goal.

“The logical end of the trade talks would be to gradually grant India most favoured nation status,” said Commerce Secretary Zafar Mahmood. “Pakistan recognised that granting MFN status to India would help in expanding bilateral trade relations and both sides agreed to remove non-tariff barriers and all other restrictive practices.”

At the final day of the fifth round of bilateral trade talks between India and Pakistan, Islamabad agreed to abolish by October its ‘positive list’ of items that it allows India to export and replacing it with a ‘negative’ list of items that will be explicitly prohibited.

Currently, Pakistan has a list of 1,946 items that it allows imports of from India. Moving to a ‘negative’ list would prohibit a specific number of items and permit everything else, expanding the scope of trade with India. New Delhi already has a similar approach, with a ‘sensitive’ list of 850 items that it restricts trade in.

Both countries have also established a joint working group, with specific deadlines and goals to achieve a reduction in non-tariff barriers to trade – such as burdensome regulations, import quotas, etc – and eventually leading up to Pakistan granting MFN status to India.

Pakistan’s historical complaint with India has been the excessive red tape that hinders a free flow of trade. For its part, the Indian delegation, led by Indian Commerce Secretary Rahul Khullar, said that there are no non-tariff barriers to trade specific to Pakistan that they are aware of and that if Pakistani businessmen have any complaints, they should refer them to the joint working group on the matter.

Both sides were keen to delink trade talks from politics. The creation of the joint working group was cited as an indication of the institutionalisation of trade talks.

“This round was much more comprehensive and productive as both countries have created an institutional framework and a clear cut mechanism which will be irreversible,” said Mahmood. He went on to say that trade talks, particularly MFN status for India, was never linked to the Kashmir dispute.

Both countries also expressed the intent to enter into a preferential trade agreement to further facilitate cross-border commercial exchanges. They also agreed to fast-track licensing for bank branches for each other’s banks. However, both sides only issued a joint statement and did not move towards a formal agreement on the matter.

Pakistan has agreed to India’s request to expand the scope of land trade with India and drop its current restrictions by October 2011, when a second gate will be opened on the Wagah-Attari border, including an integrated check-post. Customs officials from both sides also agreed to meet more frequently to resolve issued faced by traders.

The joint working group on non-tariff barriers will meet in September, as will another group of technical experts to explore the possibility of Pakistan importing electricity and petroleum products from India. Each of these groups has been created to reduce the level of mistrust between both sides.

Neither side, however, discussed the multilateral issues of trade that have occurred between the two countries. Pakistan was not willing to discuss India’s trade with Afghanistan that passes through Pakistan whereas India was unwilling to discuss its opposition to trade concessions by the European Union to Pakistan.

Published in The Express Tribune, April 29th, 2011.

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Reader Comments (75)

  • aman
    Apr 28, 2011 - 3:30PM

    pakistan never wants to do live peacefully with india!!Recommend

  • ashok sai
    Apr 28, 2011 - 3:33PM

    Great escape for India !!!Recommend

  • Kunal
    Apr 28, 2011 - 3:36PM

    why these guys meet if they can’nt come to any agreement??waste of time.Recommend

  • Anil
    Apr 28, 2011 - 3:45PM

    @aman:
    Hindustan never wants to live peacefully with Pakistan, what favours has Hindustan extended to us? Is it only us who should give them most favoured status, open there news channels while they block all of our new channels, allow there reporters to be stationed in our country while ours are mot allowed there??Recommend

  • ali
    Apr 28, 2011 - 3:48PM

    It is a realist proposition, how could Indians ask for it.
    India has to do more to earn most favoured nation (MFN) from Pakistan.
    gross violations of human rights are at the increase in the Indian Occupied Kashmir, except for bollywood film heros – Muslims in else part of India are leading miserable life – glimps of same was witnessed in “Slum Dog Millioniare”.
    Indian governmemnt has to really DO MORE- way beyongd cricket diplomacy this time to earn MFN status. Recommend

  • Saim Baig
    Apr 28, 2011 - 4:10PM

    Declaring most favourite nation, and beliving that. Take it this way, India is having IPL without the players of its most favourite nation.Recommend

  • ashwin
    Apr 28, 2011 - 4:23PM

    @saad:
    Please refrain from racist comments. Doesn’t make you any smarter.As for flying your flag in Laal Quila, why dont you fly your flag in Baluchistan and Tribal areas.ET please make sure comments are properly monitored , else you may run the risk of being labeled Tabloid NEWSPAPER. Recommend

  • Apr 28, 2011 - 4:30PM

    How can we give India MFN status when Indian exports to Pakistan are 500% more than Pak exports to India ?. The indian have all sorts of backdoor import controls that pakistan does not have. I have a feeling this newspaper is more popular in India than Pakistan.Recommend

  • edgarm
    Apr 28, 2011 - 4:37PM

    Other than these boring talks , I hope the Indian delegation enjoyed sightseeing , shopping some dinners , all at taxpayers cost.Recommend

  • Lalit
    Apr 28, 2011 - 4:41PM

    What does MFN mean for India? Why should we even consider it? Trade should be based on competitive terms; not on personal favors. India should not depreciate it standing by accepting such favors.Recommend

  • Apr 28, 2011 - 4:46PM

    @Ashwin Tabloid newspaper like HIndustantimes? Go checke their comments if you want to. As far as MFN is concerned, you know deep down under that its not possible. So why keep going in circles. Disscuss something new for God Sake.Recommend

  • No More Mr. Nice Guy
    Apr 28, 2011 - 5:02PM

    A small step for Pakistan, a great snub for India ;-) Pakistan Zindabad!Recommend

  • Fahad Raza
    Apr 28, 2011 - 5:08PM

    Are you kidding me Most favored state to India!!!. No way dude, not cool, Its like they want to debacle Chinese. Oh Yeah why do they want it Indians? To take over our electricity depts. We can’t trust Indians . Good move deny them. Trade . well yea ok we need chillies n onions so trade fine Recommend

  • R S JOHAR
    Apr 28, 2011 - 5:34PM

    No need of mfn tag from Pakistan since most major as well as minor nations of the world includiing USA come to India for doing business. Pakistan only stands to lose and not India since it has got nothing to offer us. Recommend

  • rohit
    Apr 28, 2011 - 5:37PM

    @mo: I’m sure this newspaper would sell reasonably well in India but barriers need to be removed from pak side to make these things happen!Recommend

  • Ron(Indian)
    Apr 28, 2011 - 5:43PM

    Come on Indians, We always work hard. We will work harder. What’s there in MFN status? We don’t want any shortcuts. Remember shortcuts does not give any satisfaction. We will work hard for our next generation and that’s the bottomline. Thanks. Recommend

  • Nik
    Apr 28, 2011 - 5:45PM

    Most Favored Nation status is not a favor that Pakistan is extending to India. Pakistan is a signatory to SAFTA where in it has agreed to take steps towards free trade in the region. So far, Pakistan has given one excuse over other to stop the inevitable.

    It’s better for Pakistan to give up its stake in South Asia if it does not want to implement policies that it signs. er..well..isn’t that always the case with Pakistan?Recommend

  • Nik
    Apr 28, 2011 - 5:47PM

    @ali:

    What it’s about trade, SAFTA and past agreements. What it’s not about is Bollywood and Kashmir. Recommend

  • Rakib
    Apr 28, 2011 - 5:47PM

    Most Favoured Nation (MFN) is a phrase full of hyperbole. It arouses the ire of the jingoistic lot especially when inimical countries like India/Pakistan are involved. Nobody wants any “favours” nor wants to “favour” anybody. Words like “favour” grate on the nerves of puny men of gigantic egos and of low EQ.

    US expression to convey the same relationship between two countries is not only subdued but more realistic & practical. They call it:Normal Trade Relations (NTR). Only that phrase/acronym should be used in future. Pakistan should never treat India as MFN. It should only have NTR with India! And if it doesn’t, no international smuggler specialising in this trade-segment is going to lose his sleep..Recommend

  • Rajiv
    Apr 28, 2011 - 5:50PM

    India should not engage Pakistan. MFN status are given on reciprocal basis. India gave Pakistan MFN status unilaterally in 1996, hoping its good gesture will be reciprocated. Obviously they had no idea about how Pakistan operates. Forget India, Pakistan puts all kinds of restrictions on poor Islamic Afganistan in its trade with India and wont allow Afganistan to even directly export its fruits etc to India. It shows how big their heart is.

    India should not engage Pakistan and leave it alone.Recommend

  • Fahad Raza
    Apr 28, 2011 - 5:59PM

    @Saim Baig… Yaar I just went to HindutanTimes blogs n came back dizzy somebody need to do their job properly, their no category whatsoever what a random place.. glad to be back in ET.Recommend

  • John
    Apr 28, 2011 - 6:14PM

    PAK still has to learn to adhere to treaty obligations. But at least, expansion of trade via rail and road is a first step.

    Not sure how it will pan out in Indian side. Recommend

  • Ahsan Khan
    Apr 28, 2011 - 6:17PM

    It will be more appropriate that these two nations declare each other the Most Hated Nation MHN. Recommend

  • Krishna Murthy
    Apr 28, 2011 - 6:31PM

    Ali :

    “It is a realist proposition, how could Indians ask for it.”

    I’m not really sure that India asked for it. It serves no purpose but nominal. Besides, it’s Pakistan who is needing everything and not India. The last time I checked, one of your guys is in Washingto9n for release of the aid and the other guy is also in Washington to get the money from IMF.

    “India has to do more to earn most favoured nation (MFN) from Pakistan.
    gross violations of human rights are at the increase in the Indian Occupied Kashmir,”

    That has got nothing to do with Pakistan. Besides, you talking about human rights is like the pot calling the kettle black.

    ” except for bollywood film heros – Muslims in else part of India are leading miserable life”
    I guess, you definitely need to take a break from Bollywood and …

    ” – glimps of same was witnessed in “Slum Dog Millioniare”.”

    Also from Hollywood!!!

    “Indian governmemnt has to really DO MORE- way beyongd cricket diplomacy this time to earn MFN status.”

    My god! The pot is at it again.Recommend

  • ashok sai
    Apr 28, 2011 - 6:32PM

    @ ET for ashwin

    ThanksRecommend

  • singh
    Apr 28, 2011 - 6:32PM

    Tribune.com.pk traffic is increasing 20% daily!!

    Shocking :)

    Pakistan 74.4%
    India 8.1%
    United States 4.1%

    Pakistan will lose 1.2 billion market by ignoring indian demandsRecommend

  • Krishna Murthy
    Apr 28, 2011 - 6:34PM

    Ahsan Khan : “It will be more appropriate that these two nations declare each other the Most Hated Nation MHN.”

    Good one. Funny and agree.Recommend

  • Krishna Murthy
    Apr 28, 2011 - 6:42PM

    No more mr. nice guy : “A small step for Pakistan, a great snub for India ;-) Pakistan Zindabad!”

    You’re celebrating it as a victory.

    You’re calling it a snub?!! IMF not releasing 1 billion dollars is a snub. Forget about the snub…what is your government going to do for importing essentials, with very limited foreign reserves and both USA and IMF not releasing the money?

    My dear “no more nice guy”, you’re also “no more intelligent guy”. LOLRecommend

  • Krishna Murthy
    Apr 28, 2011 - 6:45PM

    mo :

    “How can we give India MFN status when Indian exports to Pakistan are 500% more than Pak exports to India ?.”

    To correct this, you must become a highly productive nation.

    “The indian have all sorts of backdoor import controls that pakistan does not have.”

    There’s a word for the above sentence – “allegation”. Prove it MO. If you’re right, and you can prove it, then you must take your government to task. That is if you ever can!!!

    “I have a feeling this newspaper is more popular in India than Pakistan.”"

    True. Every morning I receive Express tribune at my doorstep and not Deccan Herald.Recommend

  • Ya right
    Apr 28, 2011 - 6:51PM

    Thums up – Recommend

  • qwe123kids
    Apr 28, 2011 - 6:53PM

    Pakistanis are always in State of deinal it provesRecommend

  • FactCheck
    Apr 28, 2011 - 7:04PM

    @Fahad Raza:

    Don’t worry, Bangladesh Economy is going to surpass Pakistan’s in about two years. Wouldn’t that be great? Bangladesh is going to plenty of electricity and industry since India’s eastern grid is going to get connected to Bangladesh.

    All of you can yell Pakistan Zindabad at the top of your lungs while your economy has slid all it can. Keep up the false pride, bellicosity and eternal hate.

    The South Asian train left the station without Pakistan, you can go kiss Chinese arses.Recommend

  • Apr 28, 2011 - 7:14PM

    Kashmir is the basic cause of stress and hate amoung two nation. Every kid know ‘Kashmir ki azaadi tak jang raha ge’

    twitter@SaadbinshahidRecommend

  • Maria
    Apr 28, 2011 - 7:49PM

    No way should MFN with India be discussed until they hold the United Nations mandated referendum on the future of Kashmir. This is what the Indians want. They want to ignore their state repression of our people in Kashmir and move on. We have to do what’s right and expose their atrocities.Recommend

  • Canadian
    Apr 28, 2011 - 8:49PM

    @ Maria – Before call for implementing UN mandated referendum, read it first. It calls for all pakistan troops pulled back to international border ie. out of pakistan occupied kashmir before referendum can take place. Referendum call from India will only put pakistan at disadvantage.Recommend

  • joy
    Apr 28, 2011 - 8:58PM

    @ Maria

    the UN mandated referendum is supposed to be held all over jammu and kashmir which includes Pak held kashmir and even the part of Kashmir " gifted " to China by Pakistan......
    pls read the relevant UN resolution before making such comments
    Recommend

  • kalyan chatterjee
    Apr 28, 2011 - 9:14PM

    @ali:
    I thought it was Saudi Arabia that is the protector of the world’s Muslims. When did Pakistan assume that role? Indian Muslims chose to live in India and I believe they can look after themselves quite well without help from co-religionists in Pakistan or any where else. In any case the Pakistan government cannot grant MFN status to India because of the jingoists there. In fact jingoists on both sides of the border have made sure that the two nations remain at loggerheads with each other forever so that the jingoists can make a living. The exchange of comments is a good illustration of what I am saying.
    I am sure that economic cooperation between the two nations is the only way that they can confront the threats facing them… Pakistan more than India. That’s because India at least has the buffer of Pakistan between itself and some of the most unstable regions of the world. Recommend

  • Raj
    Apr 28, 2011 - 9:17PM

    MOST FAVORED NATION STATUS is an International Economics Term. MFN Status Clause has nothing to do with Pakistan’s or India’s favorite country. It is good Pakistan did not grant MFN Status to India otherwise Pakistan’s small sector industry would have died. I want ET to provide its readers an article on MFN Status itself.Recommend

  • The Truth
    Apr 28, 2011 - 9:19PM

    If it makes you people feel better about yourselves to thump your chest and spew nationalistic rhetoric, than please do so in an appropriate forum. You make yourselves look foolish when you comment on issues that you have no understanding of. On the one hand you complain that the Govt. of Pak has failed to “facilitate” its peoples need for cheap fuel, cheap sugar, cheap tea, on the other hand you assail any efforts to fix that. Most Favored Nation Trade Status would be a boom for Pakistan. It is a free market mechanism designed to let one country take advantage of another country’s ability produce products cheap. It would allow the Govt of Pak to reduce subsidies, there by saving what little tax payer money it actually gets. It also creates a check on India in that over time Indian producers become dependent on Pakistani markets for their goods. This creates leverage for the Govt. of Pak in years to come, either open up Indian markets to Pakistani goods or risk loosing MFN status. Pakistan has short term immediate needs as well as long term needs. The short term needs of Pakistan are to lower the price of commodities while at the same time removing the subsidy culture that has developed. Wake up people, We are not the political, social or economic superpower that you think we are. We are 2 steps away from being a failed state. We need REALISTIC people and policies that understand that and attempt to correct that. The Truth hurts, but that does not make it any less real.Recommend

  • FG
    Apr 28, 2011 - 9:19PM

    Good! We don’t want sub-standard, thrid-rate indian products in our country. Why do the indians want most favored nation status while keeping so many barriers on imports.Recommend

  • Arijit Sharma
    Apr 28, 2011 - 9:24PM

    @Maria: “No way should MFN with India be discussed until they hold the United Nations mandated referendum on the future of Kashmir”

    What about Kashmir under Pakistani control ? What about a referendum there ?Recommend

  • ikmundapunjabi
    Apr 28, 2011 - 9:25PM

    guys i honestly think that most people on this forum dont even understand what MFN status means. it doesnt mean that india would be pakistan’s favorite or vice-versa.its just means that india wanted to be most favoured when it comes to trade and wanted import tariff’s lifted on indian imports. and to all my pakistani brothers who say that b’coz human rights are being violated in kashmir india shudnt be given MFN status should realise that these talks are about trade and not boundary issues,both countries will benefit if there is more trade and our small vendors and businessmen wud be able to sell stuff to each other at better prices.Recommend

  • Kanishka
    Apr 28, 2011 - 9:33PM

    Were Indians expecting MFN from pakistan??? That was so unreasonable, If they did so then they would have to do the same for Pak which will be detrimental for Indian Agri business especially…
    Congress and Mad Mohan is nuts case….they forget Indonesia (growing at 6%), Vietnam, Malaysia(5%), Combodia, Srilanka (6%) , Africa and are trying head over heals to impress Pakistan …

    In 2 years Lalit Modi created a fortune of 4 billion dollars… thats called a contribution to economic growth… India wont have trade equaling 4 billion with pakistan over next 10 years….and how did we treat that genius Modi???? Recommend

  • Apr 28, 2011 - 9:49PM

    @ashwin:

    What about Naxalite area in India?Recommend

  • Mohammad Ali Siddiqui
    Apr 28, 2011 - 11:41PM

    India may get the status of MFN after amicably resolving all disputes with Pakistan, including the core issue of Jammu and Kashmir. Recommend

  • Raman
    Apr 28, 2011 - 11:48PM

    @Maria:
    I do not know why people here including Indians keep talking about the referendum in Kashmir. The issue of the referendum and UN resolution is no longer valid since the Simla Pact of 1972 which nullified them totally. Recommend

  • Raman
    Apr 28, 2011 - 11:55PM

    Pakistan rejecting MFN status to India?!! Did India ever ask for it?
    In my opinion, there is no benefit from such status to India as the trade between the two countries in negligible and will impose an obligation to increase trade. If at all, India should concentrate on MFN status from it’s major trade partners.Recommend

  • Cherish Raj
    Apr 29, 2011 - 12:00AM

    @Kanishka:
    I agree with most of your views except for the Modi thing. If it was a free market, rather than a BCCI monopoly, Subhash Chandra of Zee would have done a much better job.Recommend

  • Apr 29, 2011 - 1:11AM

    Both countries are breaking there commitments as members of the WTO. MFN status is practically redundant, as it doesnt really bestow any “favour”. Under WTO rules all member states are extended the benefits of individual agreements. In fact, Pakistan has a MFN status with all other WTO members without acceptence. People are taking the “Most Favored” statement to the wrong conclusion assuming that it has some positive value judgement attatched to it. Recommend

  • NA
    Apr 29, 2011 - 1:55AM

    It seems like ET is being hacked by Indians. Almost 90% of the comments are from them. Guys please do something else. You have much bigger number of news papers in your country. Don’t waste your time and efforts discussing Pakistan issues let us do it guys….Recommend

  • sobriquet
    Apr 29, 2011 - 2:25AM

    Pakistani Tribune is quite a biased news source. It conveniently censored the fact that India has granted Pakistan the status of most favoured nation. Recommend

  • ashwin
    Apr 29, 2011 - 5:45AM

    @The Truth:
    a brilliant Post Recommend

  • Ayesha Khan
    Apr 29, 2011 - 6:00AM

    Most Favoured Nation is a technical term used intenationally in trade. India has given Pak the MFN status. It means that the terms and conditions available to Pak will not be anything less than what is offered to all other WTO (World Trade Organization) signatories. By default (unless a country specifically chooses otherwise), all signatories of WTO would be MFN for India as well as Pakistan. Pakistan has made an exception in case of India by witholding the MFN status. In other words terms of trade for India that Pak offers are less than what it has generally committed to WTO.

    MFN has nothing to do with IPL or extending personal favours or doing trade on non-competitive terms as some of the readers here seem to believeRecommend

  • DIG
    Apr 29, 2011 - 7:30AM

    Few days back I witnessed Indian Mangoes at Hyperstar in Lahore though over priced but good opening as above. Both of us must learn to behave nation to nation and conspiracies at Govt. to Govt. must also ends if not finished already! I wish if soon I can drive with my family via Wagah border into India and tour as far as I can without problem human created one. Similarly my Indian guests can drive in Pakistan Insha ALLAH for this we have to keep exchanging good words and kind gestures respecting each other! Recommend

  • SaudiRules
    Apr 29, 2011 - 7:36AM

    We , the people of the land of pure do not want any trade with either india or west, we have our nuclear bum and even bummer chines as friends!Recommend

  • Shiv
    Apr 29, 2011 - 7:45AM

    @ Ali..What a stupid e-paper is this? They removed my burning example of how muslim becomes pauper anywhere in the world and then blame others for their plights by producing kids after kids..

    Guys wake up! you have to think through your brain rather than Sharia Law..if you really wish to become rich and live happlily so dont blame Indian government for the dismal figure of muslims in India. how about Muslims in bangladesh? they live even in 10 cents a day labour rate? Who is to blame for their plight And Pakistan is also not well off. It is living it’s massive defence budget with begging from USA year after year.
    So wake up guys.Recommend

  • Colorado NRI
    Apr 29, 2011 - 8:06AM

    @NA

    Seems like the Indians are keeping the debate honest. Without the contrary opinion, ET may just end up like the many other conspiracy-driven news sites that remain in a perennial state of denial.Recommend

  • Pragmatist
    Apr 29, 2011 - 9:32AM

    @Maria:
    I won’t tell you where you can stuff your MFN status. Even if India trades, Pak does not have the money to pay up. LOL !! It will have to be ‘aid’. India is better off trading with Af and not Pak.Recommend

  • R S JOHAR
    Apr 29, 2011 - 10:26AM

    @Maria:
    You are at it again. Do you know that 65% Kashmiris voted in last assembly elections and 80% in recent Panchayati Raj elections and both election processes were not rigged and no coercive methods were used by the govt machinery for voting ? However the APHC had given the directive to Kashmiris not to cast their vote both times, which was ignored by the masses. This only proves that Kashmiris have faith in Indian democracy and its constitution.

    The another bad news for you is that in a recently conducted survey 77% Kashmiris preferred self-rule/autonomy and rest voted for Pakistan and India respectively. So enjoy your coffee and leave the Kashmiris alone. Hope ET publishes the above stated facts.Recommend

  • Tony Singh
    Apr 29, 2011 - 10:47AM

    Plenty of comments here from people who do not know what MFN means. They see red when they find “MOst Favoured” and India in a single sentence. BTW the one sure way of having peace is to have stake in each other’s economy.Recommend

  • Haytt
    Apr 29, 2011 - 10:53AM

    Goodness me! , seems like a Indian News blog.
    i mean more then 80 percent comments from Indian readers. Anyway good for tribune .
    @RON you are rational , your comments are always considerably positive while others are here with racist and biased approach
    We have economic problems, yah we know if you people consider your self that much good suggest in positive , comment from your head not from heart.

    there is difference between what government is doing and what people of Pakistan think ,
    consider this distinction while commenting ,Recommend

  • Tiger
    Apr 29, 2011 - 12:17PM

    Sticking together will always help! At least go for the things that benefit both! Put your egos aside! And have a mature approach!Recommend

  • GK
    Apr 29, 2011 - 4:16PM

    @Maria: OK – but how does the condition help Pakistan ? Would this put pressure on Indians ? How many of the Indian companies are missing the Pakistani market ? Use those conditions which provide you leverage. Also remember, that once you have used a condition, you cannot use it again (Russia used the gas diplomacy, now finds it very hard to get market share in europe and even in China)Recommend

  • edgarm
    Apr 29, 2011 - 5:22PM

    The problem with most Indians on this site is that is that till yesterday we Indians were paupers. We went to the IMF , Aid India Consortium and begged for dollars. We even pledged our gold for loans. However from 1991 we pulled ourselves out of that hole and have a scorching growth rate. Today with some money in our pocket we show attitude. Please remember we are just a 1 trillion dollar economy , but we have to reach where the US is , a 13 trillion dollar economy.Recommend

  • edgarm
    Apr 29, 2011 - 5:35PM

    @DIG:
    I really wish I could drive into Pakistan and visit places like Mohenjo-daro with my family. Similary Pakistanis should be free to visit the Taj and for the film crazy folks , just drive to Mumbai for a premier show of King Khans latest movie…Recommend

  • FactCheck
    Apr 29, 2011 - 6:27PM

    @Maria:

    I know you are clueless from your earlier posts and you are unaware of the Simla Agreement your government signed in 1972. Below is an excerpt, first paragrpah. Read carefully. First, there was not UN mandated referendum for Kashmir excluding PoK. The referendum was for the entire Kashmir including PoK. Pakistan never agreed to conduct the referendum because, you gave parts of PoK to the Chinese. Second, in the Simla agreement, Pakistan agreed to settle all outstanding issues by mutual negotiation and respect the Line Of Control which, Pakistan did not. Instead, Pakistan started to push terrorists into Kashmir and they killed thousand’s of people and Pundit’s who lived in Kashmir for thousands and thousands of years before Isalm ever came to Kashmir left making it impossible to conduct a referendum. If you read and understand the Simla treaty then, you will understand that, your politicians and the military dictators have been lying to you for decades.

    “The Shimla Agreement was signed between India and Pakistan at 12:40am[1] on July 2, 1972.[2] It followed from the war between the two nations in the previous year that had led to the independence of East Pakistan as Bangladesh. The agreement laid down the principles that should govern their future relations. It also conceived steps to be taken for further normalization of mutual relations. Most importantly, it bound the two countries “to settle their differences by peaceful means through bilateral negotiations”[citation needed]. The Kashmir dispute again came to the core-issue when India and Pakistan signed the controversial Shimla Accord in July 1972 in the wake of the Indo-Pak war on 1971. The accord converted the 1949 UN “Cease-fire Line” into the Line of Control (LOC) between Pakistan and India which however did not affect the status of the disputed territory”

    Just in case you would like to read the whole agreement then follow the link. Taking ignorant pot shots makes look dumb.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simla_AgreementRecommend

  • FactCheck
    Apr 29, 2011 - 6:32PM

    @FG:

    Don’t worry, we will just our third rate products to Europe, US and Latin America. We get better prices there anyway. Recommend

  • Tony Singh
    Apr 29, 2011 - 7:16PM

    @edgarm:
    You have a point there.Recommend

  • Pragmatist
    Apr 29, 2011 - 7:54PM

    @edgarm:
    Mate, you missed the point big time. Indians are not showing an attitude towards Americans, it is towards the Pakistanis who have a $160 billion economy. BTW, if you take Purchasing Power Parity, the difference in size with the US is not that great.Recommend

  • Arijit Sharma
    Apr 29, 2011 - 10:52PM

    @edgarm: “Please remember we are just a 1 trillion dollar economy , but we have to reach where the US is , a 13 trillion dollar economy.”

    Does not sound too bad to me – the Americans had a 200 year head start. But you are right, we seem to be bragging quite a bit.Recommend

  • Col. Prohit.
    Apr 30, 2011 - 1:26AM

    @The Truth:
    We dont want your Crap stuff. Go sell them somewhere else. sell it to China. No full trade rights be allowed until core issues resolved. We have seen enough State terrorism from India of 1971 intervention. No such status will be given.If this Govt. tried that. We, people of Pakistan, will stop it On the Street. Now, Buzz off.Recommend

  • prashanth
    Apr 30, 2011 - 8:12AM

    @TightDhoti:
    There seems to be lot of misunderstanding about MFN status:
    1) India had long back MFN status to Pakistan.
    2) All signatories of WTO should grant MFN status to each others – thats what WTO is all about.
    3) India could have gone against Pakistan and pressed Pakistan for MFN status through WTO and forced Pakistan to grant India MFN status.Recommend

  • Fahad Raza
    Apr 30, 2011 - 2:54PM

    I dont think India would reciprocate by giving pakistan MFN status w so why should we.Recommend

  • Hedgefunder
    Apr 30, 2011 - 6:57PM

    @Fahad Raza:
    India does not need the MFN Status, it really insignificant!! At present India should focus on the matters related to Pakistan Foreign Policy and its Intensions, more and to resolve all outstanding issues between the two Nations!!
    Trade can wait, as India really do not need Pakistan for that! Its too busy with its other trading partners world wide.
    But can Pakistan Afford not have to Relations with India??? Especially in regards to Trade?Recommend

  • The Truth
    Apr 30, 2011 - 8:04PM

    @ Col. Prohit Thank you so much for making my point. FYI, I live in Karachi, I am the People of Pakistan. Come meet me face to face and tell me to buzz off, I’m easy to find, I am guy in the Black Land Cruiser. Take to the streets, really? Is that your answer to everything? Lets take to the streets, lets shut down our economy. Lets not let businesses make any money. Lets make sure the people cant get to their jobs. Lets burn down our own infrastructure. That will show the American’s and Indians who is smarter. Awesome, I really hope you post more, it only makes the rest of us look smarter.Recommend

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