India warns Pakistan of more 'pain' in Kashmir fighting

Published: October 21, 2014
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The two sides exchanged mortars and intense gunfire this month, killing at least 20 civilians and wounding dozens. PHOTO: REUTERS

The two sides exchanged mortars and intense gunfire this month, killing at least 20 civilians and wounding dozens. PHOTO: REUTERS

NEW DELHI: India warned Pakistan on Tuesday of more “pain” if it continued to violate a ceasefire on their disputed border in Kashmir and said it was up to Islamabad to create the conditions for a resumption of peace talks.

The statement comes a few days after army chief General Raheel Sharif vowed to thwart any “aggression” against the country, in a thinly-veiled warning to arch rival India after a spate of deadly cross-border firing incidents in Kashmir.

The two sides exchanged mortars and intense gunfire this month, killing at least 20 civilians and wounding dozens in the worst violation to date of a 2003 ceasefire. While the firing has abated, tension remains high along a 200-km stretch of the border dividing the nuclear-armed rivals.

“Our conventional strength is far more than theirs. So if they persist with this, they’ll feel the pain of this adventurism,” Indian Defence Minister Arun Jaitley told NDTV in an interview.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government came to power in May promising a tough response to violence in the Himalayan territory. It accuses Pakistan of helping militants cross into its side to keep alive a 25-year armed revolt in India’s only Muslim-majority state.

Military officers on both sides say Indian border commanders adopted a more aggressive stance in the clashes this month, firing 1,000 mortars on one day this month.

It was not clear what triggered the fighting.

Pakistani army officials said the trouble began with India’s decision to beef up border defences, in violation of the ceasefire pact.

Indian army commanders, for their part, were incensed by the killing of a soldier on their side of the Line of Control in Kashmir in a remote-controlled explosion that they blamed on militants backed by Pakistani army regulars.

“When Pakistan used to fire, we always had a shield in our hand. This time we also had a sword,” said Jaitley, a close associate of Modi who is also finance minister.

Modi invited his Pakistani counterpart, Nawaz Sharif, to his inauguration as part of a push to rebuild trust with neighbours. But while relations with the smaller neighbours are improving, Pakistan has remained a stumbling block.

In August, the Modi government abruptly called off talks between the two countries’ top diplomats, objecting to Pakistan’s ambassador to New Delhi holding talks with Kashmiri separatists ahead of the meeting.

Jaitley said it was up to Pakistan to create the conditions for dialogue.

“Of course we can talk to Pakistan, but it is up to Pakistan to create an atmosphere for talks. Pakistan has to stop triggers which upset the environment in which talks are held,” he said.

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Reader Comments (31)

  • Haider
    Oct 21, 2014 - 5:06PM

    Warnings,Blames,Intolerance on any person’s comments.Anything more to be heard.
    “Islamabad to create the conditions for a resumption of peace talks.”.
    India you cancelled the foreign secretary talks.With a stupid reason of meeting Hurrayat.Was it first time?Why didn’t you question when they met at EID party..
    Bilateral efforts to made else you are happy at your country we at oursRecommend

  • Ch. Allah Daad
    Oct 21, 2014 - 5:11PM

    Shame on both countries on escalating situation and showing pride on killing innocent poor people. Who lives at border areas? Poorest of poor, who have nowhere to go.

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  • Rishabh Jain
    Oct 21, 2014 - 5:19PM

    Can’t we just agree to stop firing together. How stupid is this I did, he did blame game.Peace, not sensationalism is the solution.

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  • Hunter
    Oct 21, 2014 - 5:32PM

    @Ch. Allah Daad:
    Fully agree with you. The poorest of the poor live in the subcontinent, and all that the foolish politicians and army’s, on both sides, can do is harp of war. Pakistan is to blame for its obsessive compulsive mental make up vis-à-vis Kashmir. If all can accept the LOC as the border, it will be good for the people of the region. Otherwise, we can carry on being poor for another few decades.
    Govts must fight poverty, disease, awful health and literacy parameters. Kashmir is a non negotiable issue for India and Pakistan has wasted 67 years being a victim of this debilitating Obsession. Enough is enough.

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  • Nadeem
    Oct 21, 2014 - 5:50PM

    All sane, educated and well-informed Pakistanis know in their hearts who intiates these incidents on border. Just a quick glance at the history will give us the answer.

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  • Reality Check
    Oct 21, 2014 - 6:51PM

    Hahah India get over yourself every sees through the shining india nonsense wake up and smell the music dont overestimate yourselves

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  • Pan Mat
    Oct 21, 2014 - 7:08PM

    @Haider:
    India you cancelled the foreign secretary talks.With a stupid reason of meeting Hurrayat.Was it first time?

    Just because something has been repeated in the past does not make it right or logical, here are few ticklers.

    1) Indian national anthem calls out Sindh as part of its territory and Pakistan has objected to it for over 60 years. By the same logic, India can stake claims over Sindh
    2) Musharraf proposed 4-point formula for Kashmir, are you guys going back on that one?
    3) Why did Pakistan signed Simla agreement thereby making Kashmir a bilateral issue?

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  • KM
    Oct 21, 2014 - 7:21PM

    What a baby-ish attitude Indians have? While Pakistani politicians keep the nation illiterate to maximize their gains while in power, the Indians on the other hand keep up the war hysteria with Pakistan, to maintain power, and maximize gains while in power. Despite being larger in size, it is a pity that the Indians have not grown up to date. England just ran a referendum in Scotland, why can’t India do the same, and get results? What are they afraid off, if at all it is a people’s country?

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  • concerned citizen
    Oct 21, 2014 - 7:43PM

    for the kashmir issue india and pakistan should learn from the england / scotland vote and let people of kashmir choose.

    secondly, the aggression comes from the indian part for sure because of the timing of the incident, the comments they’re making and their attitude towards not wanting to resolve it. i know for sure, no indian, no pakistani wants violence and all these stupid acts are just making things worse unnecessarily. yes, india your economy is booming, but please stop acting arrogant and start acting rational please. we all want peace not war. thank you!

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  • ani
    Oct 21, 2014 - 7:46PM

    I hope better sense prevails on both the sides. Who benefits from a war? Not the ordinary Indian, nor the ordinary Pakistani most of whom are struggling to meet ends. Neither do the families’ of soldiers. It is all good to say my son/husband is a martyr. But, a loss of life is a loss forever..Their children will grow fatherless, and it is an extremely difficult life for a single mother in most Asian countries…
    Nationalism and religious jingoism are all good on paper. But the reality is much more stark and dark. The ONLY people who benefit immensely from wars are foreign companies of USA, Russia, France etc. who sell defense equipment to both the countries. The loss of our countrymen’s lives fills up their pockets..Do we want it???
    Another point, India can afford to buy it. But wrong priorities has resulted in making large parts of Pakistan ungovernable and its image has taken a massive dent. Better to develop what one has rather than crave for more, isn’t it? Just my thoughts..

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  • Zahir
    Oct 21, 2014 - 8:48PM

    Barakat is missing, because you do not go by the rules of democracy. Barakat is missing in India, despite getting some level of control over American high paying job market, because they do not exercise the democratic principle. By the same token, Pakistan lacks Barakat, because, their rulers do not exercise justice within their own country, & have stolen Pakistan. Pakistan is kind of bankrupt, & their personal wealth has been continually shooting up during the term of their rules. The personal income taxes they pay are far far below the assets their family possess, undisclosed offshore family ownership. Pakistan & India both have to get their acts straight, & exercise democracy across the board, not oppression in the name of democracy, not discrimination against anyone.

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  • ashish
    Oct 21, 2014 - 8:51PM

    India does not want war with any neighbours countries. Pakistan should remain co status position over Kashmir and other dispute problem if both nation can’t solve problem. War is very dangerous for both counties and all poor people will be affected due to war hysteria .Recommend

  • Zahir
    Oct 21, 2014 - 9:00PM

    Pakistan is in better shape, professionally, militarily, due to its current 15 years experience of fighting terrorism.

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  • Maazrat ke saath
    Oct 21, 2014 - 9:26PM

    @KM: By that logic, Pakistan should hold one in Sindh, Khyber Pukhtunkhwa and most importantly, Blaochistan. You can’t advise a bitter pill and not be willing to take it.

    BTW if a referendum is held, the possibility exists that both Pakistan and India lose their hold over Kashmir.

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  • Haider
    Oct 21, 2014 - 9:31PM

    @Pan Mat
    I know if something is wrong should not be repeated.Neither Indian Govt warned or said about it before and if it happened than cancelling foreign secretary talk is not a solution.Its like you have done a robbery and you are given a punishment of death…
    Even your leaders met Hurrayat before.If you are against Hurrayat then why are they allowed to enter Delhi?Why are the living there.Kick them back to Kashmir.

    I have always been in favour of solution through Simla agreement.From 2003- 2008 Pak and India had almost solved this issue but Mumbai Attack again made differences which are not being lowered till now.Blaming Pakistan for Mumbai Blasts.Do u know what was condition of Pakistan in 2008.Bomb blasts occurred on day to day basis and mostly terrorists came from Afghanistan to do blasts in Pakistan. Is Afghanistan to be blamed? NO…There were many big events in Pakistan than Mumbai.It was a security failure thats all..Its a long debate.Pakistan failed badly to prevent attacks within country leave Mumbai Aside.Why not a joint commitee of Pakistan and India to do investigation on Mumbai Attacks.Hafiz Saeed was jailed for 1 year but was released as there weren’t proofs to call him guilty and some sources also state people within Indian govt were also involved..

    Kashmir is much bigger issue and even Simla Agreement states its a bilateral issue and both countries are stake holder.
    Compare Kashmir issue with Sindh is Insane.
    If India is not ready for bilateral talks then Pakistan will have to use international platform…..Recommend

  • Babbar
    Oct 21, 2014 - 9:34PM

    @Haider:
    You are right, meeting Huriyat was not first time. But just because I crime is tolerated does not make it right. When under Shimla agreement Pakistan agreed to make it a bilateral talk, then why involve any one including Huriyat to spoil it ? Huriyat does not present whole of Kashmir it only represents those who are ally to Pakistan. How does involving a bias group bring any un biased solution. It’s like India talking to Kashmiri Pundits and show case them as representative of entire Kashmir. Huriyat and it’s leaders are not “elected” representative by the people. People of Kashmir did not make them their representative or leader. If that was the case they would win state elections.

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  • Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale
    Oct 21, 2014 - 10:20PM

    Way to garnish talk about Simla Agreement. India itself has been caught violating Article 6 of Simla Agreement time and again in history, and continues to do so till today. it’s not Pakistan making strides away from Simla Agreement, it’s India who is not keeping up to the agreement and making it ineffective. Kashmiri people should be given the right of self-determination, that is the only unbiased and logical solution.

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  • Aalia
    Oct 21, 2014 - 10:22PM

    @Nadeem:
    Why do you need to pretend yourself as Pakistani and then commenting in favor of India ? You just want to be recommended .

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  • Haider
    Oct 21, 2014 - 10:29PM

    @Babbar
    I agree why involve Hurrayat.India should have said it.But cancelling foreign secretery talks was too much.Recommend

  • Praful R Shah
    Oct 22, 2014 - 1:50AM

    @Haider:
    Pakistan was warned not to conduct meeting with Huriyat. but Pakistan held in New Delhi. Besides what Pakistan was trying to accomplish? Pakistan will not get an inch from Huriayat. You are dealing the person who will give robust answer. Now why you are birching?

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  • Hashk03
    Oct 22, 2014 - 3:00AM

    Events like this are to be expected again as long as this visionary racist Prime Minister of India is in power. Most Indians are already mad about leadership quality of this racist man.

    Now, because recently India has made many deals to acquire weaponry from different countries, Indians are enjoying this fake sense of confidence like drunks, only to experience hangover towards the end.

    Just few weeks ago Modi was talking about building toilets for the population and now he is talking about fight.

    Visionary Leader Isn’t he.

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  • Pan Mat
    Oct 22, 2014 - 4:15AM

    @KM:
    Despite being larger in size, it is a pity that the Indians have not grown up to date. England just ran a referendum in Scotland, why can’t India do the same, and get results? What are they afraid off, if at all it is a people’s country?

    Great idea and would be great if Pakistan can lead with an example by conducting a referendum in all its provinces ;-)

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  • musharaf
    Oct 22, 2014 - 10:07AM

    I think Pakistan has now learnt a lesson and they will not fire across the LOC because India will respond with heavy retaliation. Also India does not seem to be bothered about constant Pakistani nuke threat and blackmail. They have successfully burst the Pakistani nuclear threat balloon,

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  • Oct 22, 2014 - 11:33AM

    India is like a balloon out blown because of its hegemonious designs. She is mistaken as sword is an arm, piling-up arms does provide some support but doesn’t decide the fate of the war, you need courage to win a battle or war. The Indian forces lack it, India is known for its nocturnal adventurism. India likes to treat Pakistan like small countries (such as Nepal, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh) in the region which is wrong.

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  • Oct 22, 2014 - 11:49AM

    India is like a balloon out blown because of its hegemonious designs. She is mistaken as sword is an arm, piling-up arms does provide some support but doesn’t decide the fate of the war, you need courage to win a battle or war. The Indian forces lack it, India is known for its nocturnal adventurism. India likes to treat Pakistan like small countries (such as Nepal, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh) in the region which is wrong.Recommend

  • Haider
    Oct 22, 2014 - 12:42PM

    @Praful R Shah
    I think Pakistan was warned when they already had planned meeting.Why no notice took place when they met on EID.Meeting Hurraiyat could be wrong and against Simla Agreement but cancelling talks was right thing to do…
    I think India should also stop their talks with Baramdagh Bugti “Separatist of Baluchistan” and many times seen in Delhi..What will India get from him other than to have proxy war with Pakistan…
    I already said there should be bilateral efforts.No one is angel.Recommend

  • Nadeem
    Oct 22, 2014 - 5:51PM

    @Aalia:
    please comment on the subject matter instead of probing my nationality or my wish to get recommended!!!

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  • Mohan
    Oct 23, 2014 - 8:44AM

    Even if India does do a proxy war in Balochistan, isn’t it a suitable reprisal for what Pakistan has been doing in Kashmir for decades? Pakistan should measure itself by the same yardstick that it uses for India

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  • Aschraful Makhlooq
    Oct 23, 2014 - 10:45AM

    Indians never underestimate Pakistan armed forces and never think that current Pakistan armed forces are like 1965’s and 1971’s and if you and your forces are so courageous and far superior to Pakistan then come on and test your war’s abilities and capabilities instead of killing the innocent and sinless people on LoC and Working Boundary…..

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  • rp
    Oct 23, 2014 - 10:52AM

    kashmir is no issue till MODI in power

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  • goldconsumer
    Oct 23, 2014 - 12:21PM

    @Mohan:
    Yup. We did that after what you did to us in 1971.

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