India fighting small-scale war with Pakistan: DG Rangers Punjab

Published: October 10, 2014
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A file photo of a border check post on the Line of Control. PHOTO: AFP

A file photo of a border check post on the Line of Control. PHOTO: AFP

LAHORE: As violence on border between Pakistan and India continues, DG Rangers Punjab on Friday said India is not just violating ceasefire but fighting a small-scale war with Pakistan, Express News reported.

In a comprehensive briefing to the media at the working boundary, DG Rangers Major General Tahir Javaid Khan said though the aggression appears to be military, there could a political agenda behind the recent border clashes.

While talking to the media, DG Rangers provided a breakdown of firearms used in the ceasefire violations between 2010 and 2014. According to him, Indian Border Security Force (BSF) used 3.48 million small firearms on the working boundary during the stated period.

More than 30,000 mortar shells have also been fired between the aforementioned years and DG Rangers said such a large amount is not even used in a full-scale war.

Denying allegations that Pakistan started firing on LoC, Foreign Office said border clashes were initiated by India and the armed forces are only responding to Indian aggression.

As firing began on the first day of Eidul Azha on 193-km long working boundary, thousands of firearms have reportedly landed in Pakistan.

On October 6 alone, over 51,000 small arms were fired across the boundary, while on October 7, more than 4,000 mortar shells were fired. Exceeding the previous number, India fired over 6,000 mortar shells on October 8.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif summoned a meeting of National Security Council today in light of the recent border clashes.

Pakistan calls upon India to allow UN observer to visit LoC

Pakistan has called upon India to allow the United Nations (UN) military observer group to visit the LoC to investigate the recent ceasefire violations, Radio Pakistan reported.

Moreover, Foreign Office spokesperson Tasneem Aslam, during a media briefing in Islamabad, said that Pakistan took UN observers to their side of the LoC to show them the aftermath caused by the firing.

She added that the observers have compiled a report and have sent it to the UN.

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Reader Comments (48)

  • Qamber
    Oct 10, 2014 - 12:43PM

    Common Pak Army Rock them with the power of Eman.

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  • Loyal
    Oct 10, 2014 - 12:51PM

    The theory behind India aggression at LoC is clear, they want status quo to be maintained in Pakistan. They are afraid, if some change in Pakistan may harm their interests…..

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  • Arbaaz
    Oct 10, 2014 - 1:14PM

    We have such a huge military budget. How and what firearms have we used?Our army is giving excuse by making a statement like this. Looks like India upper hand.

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  • just_someone
    Oct 10, 2014 - 1:18PM

    Modi has done nothing and, being the Hindu fundamentalist that he is, he is trying to fool the people by playing with their sentiments and their lives…
    Pak should give a befitting response so he doesnt dare do this again!

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  • Shahid Hamid
    Oct 10, 2014 - 1:51PM

    India is progressing rapidly, they have a very good PM. If we continue to provoke them, they have good arms and ammunitions….Lets have peace PM. Bring business here.

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  • take care
    Oct 10, 2014 - 2:01PM

    This is high time for Pakistan Politicians, ISI, and Army to realize that we should stop support to Terrorists and leave POK and concentrate on keeping our house Order. Otherwise another mini Pakistan will be created. India’s current PM is stronger than Indira Gandhi, who created Bangladesh from Pakistan.

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  • Tarzan
    Oct 10, 2014 - 2:03PM

    hmmm…So Indian forces started it..just like that. Only Allah/God/Jesus/Waheguru can judge everyone and by the trajectory India and Pakistan are going It clearly shows who’s being punished for being liars and doing the wrong things.

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  • Aktar
    Oct 10, 2014 - 2:10PM

    We will surely loose this battle too.India is a very big power and we can’t stand in front of themRecommend

  • Ashish
    Oct 10, 2014 - 2:20PM

    @just_someone:

    Do you know the FACT or just trying to provoke us (Indians/India) so that many other innocent people get killed.

    If you have guts to defeat us then please defeat us in development, Agriculture, education etc… not in war.

    In war You dont have upper hands against INDIA and WILL never ever happen.

    You just imagine the power of our Leader Mr. Narendra Modi who just said Indians to clean India all Indians took broom in their hand…

    If Mr. Narendra Modi tells Indian to take Gun and fight against Pakistan then you can just imagine about Pakistan. (however he will never say like that because we dont manufacture and export the militants (Atankvadi) to other country.)

    we have much work to do and dont have time to waste on Pakistan.Recommend

  • Ashish
    Oct 10, 2014 - 2:23PM

    Pakistan can not win war against their internal fighters how can they win fight against india just imagine.

    face the fact and make better tommorowRecommend

  • Mc
    Oct 10, 2014 - 2:30PM

    @Loyal:
    Yes and the same change forced Chinese president not to visit Pakistan.

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  • Think Of World
    Oct 10, 2014 - 2:30PM

    The news has come from Pak Army, that India has done ceasefire violations.
    Can we trust Pak Army? As everyone says Pak army is controlled by terrorist.

    If this will go on, not only Pakistan or India will be at risk, but entire world will be at risk.
    As militants (be it from pakistan or Afgan or any part of the world) are spreading and growing their team size.
    This will be next world war for sure militants against the entire world, and I wonder this will be end of the world.
    So guys we should stop fighting against religion and should think like a human.

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  • saif
    Oct 10, 2014 - 2:31PM

    India has in the past 5 years observed Israel’s aggression against Palestinians this was the place where Indian generals got their dirty ideas. They provoke and begins the war and accuse the enemy and tries to get the sentiments of the enemies population. Indian army lies to it’s population to win there trust. Such are they!

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  • Haider
    Oct 10, 2014 - 2:37PM

    Pakistan call for UN investigation is a proof that Pakistan didn’t start these firings..Cmon India now allow UN observerRecommend

  • ravi
    Oct 10, 2014 - 3:02PM

    @just_someone:
    Standard but stale comment which has no locus standi.

    PM Modi is busy fighting vested interests in India and has actually ignored Pakistan, assuming Inka to kuch nahi ho sakta. So better ignore them.

    Best befitting reply what Pakistan can give is to remain silent.

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  • TiffinBox
    Oct 10, 2014 - 3:13PM

    Pakistan has already given befitting response by begging international community to intervene and pleading the Indian government to stop.

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  • Pradeep
    Oct 10, 2014 - 3:25PM

    I am interested in knowing why Pakistanis think that India provoked the fight. I mean please give reasons why India would like to provoke a fight at this point of time.

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  • Jut
    Oct 10, 2014 - 4:05PM

    @Aktar:
    Thanks Indian troll in disguise.

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  • She da
    Oct 10, 2014 - 4:09PM

    @Ashish:
    Overexcited comments. Relax and take a chill pill.

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  • Dodo
    Oct 10, 2014 - 4:10PM

    @Tarzan:
    Clearly shows?? Where. Please explain.

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  • kamran
    Oct 10, 2014 - 4:31PM

    India is the strongest it has been in years, under a nationalist government and a very strong economy. Pakistan finds itself in an almost exactly opposite scenario with a massively corrupt government that is itself a threat to national security and an economy in shambles.

    Therefore, India is pressurising Pakistan to climb down from its position on Kashmir and exist not as a rival, but as a satrap similar to Nepal or Bangladesh.

    Pakistan should fix its government first, build its economy, and then think of expanding its sphere of influence. The Army is critical to all of these goals.

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  • GAURAV
    Oct 10, 2014 - 5:35PM

    @Aktar:
    I AM AN INDIAN ON UR WEB SITE . WE ARE NOT ON MOOD OF WAR WE ALSO NEED FRIENDS. WE WANT PEACE THIS SIDE NOT WAR . WE HAVE BIGGER POWER FORCE BUT WE DONT HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH YOU .

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  • Usman Mubashir
    Oct 10, 2014 - 6:35PM

    @Arbaaz:
    unfortunately, your small brain thinks army has a massive budget, wait till you compare it to the Indian budget, secondly, I am ashamed that you think so pessimistically about life and war.

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  • Usman Mubashir
    Oct 10, 2014 - 6:46PM

    @Ashish:
    well, I do not believe in exporting terrorism, beating you in agriculture or industry will not reveal who is escalating the LOC condition. Pakistan has always asked India to allow UN to observe to check who did the first aggression, but India has never accepted, I wonder why. Secondly, although yes I do believe that the only way forwards is to have a race in development and industry which sadly is not happening (I’ll admit our faults) on other side, plz do not rely on advantage of numbers, RAW has no idea of Pakistan’s arsenal, not even CIA does, and Pakistan’s tactical weapons are at least a decade advanced than Indians because we have been developing them quiet longer than you.
    If you want a fight of words that will do none of us any good, I feel deep sympathy for every life that has been lost on either side of the border, what I cannot say is who shot the first bullet, you cannot expect your army to remain silent while Pak army shoots and shoots, and I expect the same from my army. The only way to prove to the world who is the aggressor in the countless LOC cease fire violations is to let UN observe, which Pakistan has requested repeatedly, only to be let down.
    If anyone wants war, both of us have enough weaponry to annihilate each other completely, please talk sensibly, it is the need of the hour that the people of both countries force their countries to reach peace.

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  • Chacko Cherian Calicut
    Oct 10, 2014 - 6:56PM

    @Shahid Hamid:
    I hope you are Pakistani.God bless you man and your tribe!!Among the many senseless comments from across the border glad to note that people with critical thinking is still alive in Pakistan.More than that you dare to tell the truth.Wish there were many who
    can think and act like you to turn Pakistan to the path of progress and prosperity away from war and bombs. Greetings from an Indian brother..Recommend

  • MJ
    Oct 10, 2014 - 7:24PM

    If Indians honestly believe that they are just responding to Pakistani aggression, why don’t they ask their own government to allow independent UN observers on the L.O.C.? The Indian government has denied request by Pakistan to put UN observers on L.O.C. more than a dozen times in this decade alone. And please … don’t give me the usual answer that Indians “care” too much about UN observers’ lives. We have heard the same excuse from Israel hundreds of times when they deny independent observers and humanitarian aid from areas where they are “active”

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  • saurabh
    Oct 10, 2014 - 7:57PM

    Hello Pakistani brothers I am from India . I think we civilians from india and even from Pakistan don’t want war but this is all political. This corrupt politicians from both the sides don’t want peace. Questions is why? Bcz when every thing get normal they will left with no work . no political agenda for elections. They will not get commissions from importing arms and ammunitions. All this develop country US Germany etc… Want dumping market for there ammunitions. Here on other hand China talk so sweet with both the country’s but they want to make colony to sell there industrial products .
    They are planning same thing what Britishers did with India and rest of the world long back and this media people take advantage of all this and show news in manner with provak civilians.
    Lot more to write but I conclude
    Guys we all are friends we should ask our government to stop all this n make peace.

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  • king
    Oct 10, 2014 - 8:09PM

    tribune why is imran khan’s jalsa at multan not in your headlines…….wth??why is nawaz sharif getting so much influential over media……

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  • nbr
    Oct 10, 2014 - 11:20PM

    Brothers.. We both wasted bullets and life.. nothing is gained.. only America gained.you have more than enough internal problems.. so do we..pls concentrate on that and make our country a happier place..

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  • Kumar
    Oct 10, 2014 - 11:54PM

    There is no winner in war, everyone should realize that. Peace.

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  • Shahg
    Oct 11, 2014 - 1:01AM

    @Shahid Hamid:
    shame on you….let the real men in Pakistan defend it. India is nothing, they have a stupid leader like Modi who is a Muslim killer. Watch Indian economy go in the toilet under his term.Recommend

  • Shahg
    Oct 11, 2014 - 1:04AM

    @Chacko Cherian Calicut:
    Zahid Hamid is a Indian pretending to be Pakistani.

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  • Shahg
    Oct 11, 2014 - 1:05AM

    @nbr:
    dont bring America into everything, Modi is not American….those who cheated us on Kashmir were not Americans, they were Indians…

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  • Sandip
    Oct 11, 2014 - 2:28AM

    @Qamber: Not much left. Everything used up in breeding terrorists.

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  • Oct 11, 2014 - 5:05AM

    I don’t believe DG Ranger Punjab is as stupid as the newspaper thinks. Pakistani army started violations along LoC thinking Monu and Sonu are in charge of India. When they tried trouble inside Indian Border they foundnout that Modi is in charge, not Monu and Sonu. Well Pak Army and DG Punjab ran back as hard as they could to save their tail and feel safe now that they are back in Pakistan.

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  • Oct 11, 2014 - 5:08AM

    [email protected]:
    You are so correct. India always has upper hand, weather in 194, 1965, 1971, 1999 and now in 2014.

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  • Oct 11, 2014 - 5:11AM

    [email protected]:
    Aakar totally agrees with you.

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  • Last Word
    Oct 11, 2014 - 7:11AM

    This was just a dress rehearsal to teach Pakistan some lesson, in case border violations still continue, a short but decisive war cannot be ruled to destroy the Pak conventional and nuclear capabilities. This war would incapacitate the country for the next ten years including its economy which is already in doldrums.

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  • Ashish
    Oct 11, 2014 - 9:41AM

    @Usman Mubashir:

    Well Usman, We do not allow UN because we are capable of solving our problem, on other hand Pakistan knows very well that No body in this world is concentrating on Pakistan’s view about Kashmir and India.

    hence Pakistan have no other options to make it highlighted to world other than by involving UN.

    Pakistan Tactical weapons may be decade advanced but as soon as you think to act with all hypothetical weapons you will be finished by India’s current weapons.

    since you are preparing weapons from long back it means they are OLD too and may not work at the time of requirement since you have now major help from China.and we all know about Chinese products….

    we do not have any interest to prove world about India all knows it very well. the same way they know about Pakistan as you know America is keep on Bombing missiles in Pakistan region to finish terrorist and Pakistan is just watching them and waiting till they leave the country.

    we are peaceful nation and we always appreciate peace but not on conditions that Pakistan and rest of world have to understand.

    The Major difference between Indian politics and Pakistani politics is that our leader like Mr. Narendra Modi is asking vote for development and you leader Mr. Bilawal bhutto is asking vote for snatching Kashmir from India.

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  • Oct 11, 2014 - 9:57AM

    Just 3 days back IMF revised the new world order in world economic outlook which says China overtakes US as worlds largest economy with $17.6 trillion against US’s $17.4 trillion in PPP term which is the best way of measurement of a nations economy as per IMF and economic experts as it shows the real size of a nations economy.The 3rd biggest economy in world now is India which stands at $7.277 trillion in PPP and 2.047 at nominal term.The 4th biggest economy is Japan with $ 4.8 trillion in PPP,The 5th largest is Germany,6th is Russia,7th is Brazil,8th is France,9th is Indonesia which overtake UK to 9th spot and finally 10th is UK.These are new world order of top 10 powerful global economy.

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  • jai
    Oct 11, 2014 - 10:32AM

    @Haider: pakistan is just trying to bring kashmir on international news and India wont allow that.. Kashmir is an integral part of India…

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  • jai
    Oct 11, 2014 - 10:32AM

    @Haider: pakistan is just trying to bring kashmir on international news and India wont allow that.. Kashmir is an integral part of India…Recommend

  • jai
    Oct 11, 2014 - 10:38AM

    @MJ: kashmir is an integral part of India.. Why would we allow outsiders to come and give us judgements. I am from Indian Punjab and please believe that people here will never let Pakistan interfere in its internal matters.

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  • Haider
    Oct 11, 2014 - 12:52PM

    @jai
    First explain me how Kashmir is integral part of India
    As far if you see history
    Kashmiris were promised plebiscite…Your Simla agreement states its a bilateral issue btw Pak and India….Even your government has said “Pakistan and India are stakeholders of Kashmir”
    There was a standstill agreement by Pakistan and Mahrahja…
    If Kashmir is your integral part why do you torture your people when they say about freedom and Pakistan…..They are forced to sing national anthem of India…Where is freedom of speech now.

    Pakistan wants to raise Kashmir on International news..Its an international issue and resolutions have made on it…
    Internal matter…It was never an internal matter…Recommend

  • Gp65
    Oct 11, 2014 - 2:04PM

    @MJ:
    Since 1972 when Simla agreement was signed, India has never inolved the UNMOGIP – not even during Kargill. Keeping dispute resolution bulateral is a matter of principle for India.

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  • Hindu
    Oct 12, 2014 - 3:04AM

    It does not matter who fired the first bullet. Please both sides stop and talk. Do not drag US, UK or any other nation into your problems as they don’t care about India or Pakistan. They care about their own economies and their own nations. Look at what they have done in Iraq, Afganistan, parts of Pakistan. Now when ISL has started they want the local armies to fight. They are helping only because they are worried that the war may come to them.
    There are more Muslims living in India than in whole of Pakistan. Even the security advisor was not aware of that and that Eid is a National holiday in India. Let these old people retire and the young lot take over and bring peace in the region and prosperity for your people.

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  • Shell
    Oct 12, 2014 - 7:51PM

    True face of India exposed again. India is a country which invaded the State of Kashmir, and has killed many innocent Kashmiri men, women and children under their brutal occupation of Kashmir, not to mention the Indian State sanctioned Rape Raids carried out by Indian troops on Kashmiris.

    As India was not satisfied of killing innocent Kashmiris under Indian occupation, it has now started killing innocent Kashmiris on Pakistan’s side.

    India is clearly an aggressor, and peace needs to achieved by keeping the brutal Indian mindset in mind.

    India is a country that promised Khalistan to Khalistanis, later only going back on their word, and committing genocide of Khalistanis. Treachery, Intellectual dishonesty, Rapes and Brutal Murder is what India stands on, because it has no moral or ethical reality to stand, on its deluded claims.

    This is what we are dealing with, we need practically approach to have peace with this neighbour.

    I believe giving mandatory military training to the civilian population of Pakistan as a part of their education would be an ever ready solution to the Indian problem, as our population would be well equipped to deal with Indians any time.

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  • ketan
    Oct 18, 2014 - 2:41PM

    @Haider:

    Why are you thinking about Kashmir?
    First think about yourself and your nation.
    Taliban and Al-Qaida are in your home and they will ruin your already worse country.
    NWFP and Balochistan is losing from your hand in the race of gaining Kashmir.

    Also, ISIS is almost there.

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