A conversation in Pakistan

Operation in North Waziristan may bring violence in the coming months back to peak levels.


Aakar Patel June 23, 2014

Has the decrease in terrorist violence in India come at the cost of an increase in violence in Pakistan? That is what the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) believes. I was in Pakistan last week and a retired ISI general I spoke to said that the sharp spike in violence in the country in the last decade could be attributed to the military’s decision to crack down on terror groups operating against India.

Violence in Pakistan was very low till 2003, when only 189 Pakistanis were killed, of whom 140 were civilians.

The year before that, early 2002, former president Pervez Musharraf banned the Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Muhammad, and the violence in India began to dip, as I wrote last week. In Pakistan the reverse happened and that is what the general was referring to. In 2004, the number of deaths was 863, in 2005 it was 648. After that, during Musharraf’s last years in office, began a phase when violence seemed to get out of hand. From 1,471 (in 2006) to 3,598 (2007) to 6,715 (2008) to 11,704 (2009).

This was the climax and after this, it fell, but not drastically. Deaths owing to terrorism were 7,435 in 2010 and then 6,303 (2011), 6,211 (2012) and 5,379 (2013). This year, so far the number of those killed in terrorist violence is 2,137 and it seems to be more or less the same sort of pattern as Pakistan has seen since 2011.

I had these figures at hand and told the general that the violence seemed to have dropped since its 2009 peak. Though much more slowly, Pakistan’s numbers seemed to suggest a tapering off of the violence in the same way as India.



No, said the general, 2009 was an aberration. That year the military went into South Waziristan to clean up and took over the area completely. The casualties rose, the general said, because of this. Though the figures show that relatively few people died directly in the action by the military, it is possible that the operation resulted in increased attacks in Pakistani cities because the militants were hitting back. The subsequent ‘fall’ in the number of casualties the following year should not be seen as an improvement so much as going back to the situation of 2008.

The military’s launching of an operation in North Waziristan this week may unfortunately bring violence in the coming months back to peak levels, even if this is temporary.

The area is thought to be tougher to capture, especially given the presence of the most hardened of the al Qaeda fighters, meaning those from Central Asia who have nowhere else to go. The attacks in Pakistan’s urban areas are also likely to go up if the pattern of 2009 is to be repeated.

The ISI general said that the thinking in India appeared to them to be that of satisfaction at the situation Pakistan found itself in. “Let them stew in their own juice” and “you created the problem, now you suffer the consequences” were some of the phrases he used to describe what he thought the Indian attitude was.

He was quite clear, however, that there was no going back in the action against the militants because the army thought of them unequivocally as the enemy. In fact, that was the attitude of all those former representatives of the Pakistani state whom I had the chance to speak to — from diplomats once considered to be hardline and hawkish, to politicians to generals, all were agreed that the enemy was the extremists. There was no talk at all of good and bad Taliban. The Pakistanis I heard said that there were limitations of the state with respect to the LeT and Hafiz Saeed in particular, but this must not be seen as encouraging the group.

Published in The Express Tribune, June 24th, 2014.

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COMMENTS (14)

Np | 10 years ago | Reply

@3rdRockFromTheSun: The once liberal Pakistani society? The elite may have been more westernised and consumed alcohol and dressed in western clothes. But liberalism as in tolerance of the other, democratic traditions have never been hallmarks of the Pakistani society where sweets were distributed in 1977 when an elected leader was removed, where an elected overnment introduced a lw criminalizing Ahmadis in 1974, where Bengalis were alienated and broke away due to imposition of Urdu and unwillingness to allow a duly elected Bengali leader from serving as PM of the united Pakistan, where objective resolution was passed in 1954 and where between 1950 and 1954 Hindus were systematicaly driven out of Krachi. I point out Karachi because it was not part of a state which was partitioned.

Raj - USA | 10 years ago | Reply

About 3 years ago I heard Sheikh Rasheed saying in a TV talk show that "Agencies" pay Rs 25 lakhs or even more to write just one article for them. It would look believable, credible, unbiased and objective if someone else writes rather than them saying the same. He said that he knows it because he was the Information Minister of Pakistan.

Hillary Clinton in her recent interview with Barkha Dutt talked about US reward of $10 million on Hafiz Saeed. This is what Barkha Dutt (NDTV) asked and Hillary Clinton said:

NDTV: You know when we met last, when you were in India, you spoke about how you had actually announced this 10 million dollar bounty for information leading to the arrest of one of the architects of 26/11, Hafiz Saeed of Lashkar-e-Taiba, he's still out there. He's still out there, he holds rallies, nobody can touch him. Why do you think that someone as powerful as yourself was not able to do more about a group, like the Lakshar-e-Taiba?

Hillary Clinton: Because I think the very strong conviction in the military and the intelligence and other elements within the society is that they're not a threat to us, namely Pakistan, they're a threat to India. And by doing what they're doing to turn away from LeT and others, they continue to cause India to have to take them seriously or have to worry about Pakistan. Those days should be over.

Link for the full transcript of the full interview:

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/full-transcript-hillary-clinton-to-ndtv-on-iraq-pm-modi-and-plans-for-2016-545348

Connect these and you have the full answer.

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