Allegations against the ISI

Published: October 30, 2010
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The writer is a retired brigadier who has served in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and Fata
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The writer is a retired brigadier who has served in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and Fata asad.munir@tribune.com.pk

Hillary Clinton, Matt Waldman of the London School of Economics and Wikileaks have blamed the ISI for their active support for the Taliban. This is not the first instance that an official of the US administration or a western research institute has directly, or indirectly, accused the ISI of having links with the Afghan Taliban and the al Qaeda leadership. This is a widespread impression, not only in the western media but also in the local media and the public of this country. Primarily, this perception is based on lack of information and ignorance about the role and functioning of the ISI.

A number of terrorist groups are operating in this region. The CIA, through the ISI, trained the Mujahideen to fight Soviet forces in Afghanistan. Muslims from all over the world were encouraged to come to Peshawar and Quetta. The ISI and CIA imparted training to these jihadis to fight Russian troops. In February 1989, Soviet troops withdrew from Afghanistan. More than 90 per cent of these foreign jiahdis left Pakistan for their own countries in 1989-90, including Osama. Therefore, the al Qaeda militants now fighting against the army are not those trained by the ISI in the 1980s.

The second group of militants is from Central Asia. They were not part of the Afghan jihad, since these states came into existence in 1991. These militants are mostly from the Islamic Movement of Uzbeks (IMU), formed in 1998. They came to Afghanistan, to train terrorists in camps, return to their countries and topple their regimes through violent means. In the post 9/11 scenario, they crossed over to South and North Waziristan. They received no training from the ISI.

The local Taliban first appeared in North Waziristan and Orakzai agency in 1998-99. The presence of foreign militants in Fata and their raids against coalition forces in Afghanistan, motivated people living in the tribal areas to raise a Taliban force in other agencies, in 2003-2004. The people, then at the helm of affairs, did not take this threat seriously. There was no consensus on how to tackle the local Taliban. Dialogues were preferred over army action. Various peace agreements, enacted between 2004 and 2006, enabled them to spread their influence to all agencies in the tribal areas. Operations by the army against the TTP prove that the latter had no links with the ISI.

The other group, known as the ‘Punjabi Taliban’, comprises members of the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Sipah-e-Sahaba, Jaish-e-Mohammad and various factions of Harkat. Once banned, groups from these outfits joined other terrorists in tribal areas. They are responsible for most of the terrorist incidents executed in Punjab.

The ISI was not involved in the creation of the Afghan Taliban, but established links with them once they captured Kandahar. The perceived presence of Indians in Afghanistan, the resurgence of the Taliban, the failure of coalition forces to secure Pashtun areas, the expected withdrawal of Nato forces, and offers of negotiation to the Taliban by Hamid Karzai are some of the factors which may have compelled Pakistan to review its Afghan policy. Even now, Pakistan would not like the Taliban to return to power and establish a radical regime in Afghanistan since this would promote Talibanisation within Pakistan. What Pakistan would most likely desire is that any future Afghan regime should not be hostile to Pakistan. The ISI is a disciplined organisation in which no individual or group can run his own agenda. Therefore, those who talk of individuals from the agency knowing Osama’s whereabouts are not familiar with the functioning of this organisation.

Published in The Express Tribune, October 30th, 2010.

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  • faraz
    Oct 30, 2010 - 6:09AM

    A major problem is that ex ISI heads and generals like Hamid Gul and Aslem Beg love to play to the gallery and they fully support taliban in order to please the ideological constituency they developed during Zia era. Especially Hamid Gul who is more of a politician than a professional general and had a major role in initiating the Afghan civil war and promoting Punjab based sectarian-jihadi outfits; he often appears on TV to offer his advice on the Afghan conundrum. While the locals understand the reasons behind this ridiculous post-retirement demagoguery, but the foreign media takes such statements at face value.Recommend

  • Haque
    Oct 30, 2010 - 8:17AM

    ISI is doing a great job for the security of this country.The only thing which goes against them,they should not get involved in the internal politics.In this field they have mostly made wrong decisions and have harmed the country indirectly.well written piece.Recommend

  • chinchun
    Oct 30, 2010 - 8:28AM

    What a joke.. haha :DRecommend

  • Awan
    Oct 30, 2010 - 10:10AM

    ISI has been rated the best SPY Agency in the world. The organization is doing a great job for our nattion. All this propaganda is to weaken ISI.Recommend

  • Awan
    Oct 30, 2010 - 10:17AM

    ISI should not support Afghan Taliban. Very informative piece by Asad.Recommend

  • Ejaz Rahim
    Oct 30, 2010 - 10:28AM

    The biggest blunder which the ISI,and the military leaders ,then at the helm of affairs, committed ,was to train mujahideen for liberation of Kashmir.With limited vision ,they could not visualize the long term negative implications for Pakistan internal security.Every intelligence agency works for their national interest.ISI is doing the same.They can be wrong in their perceptions of national interest,but the organization is doing a fine job.CIA could not forewarn about the 9/11 attacks,they failed in their task,but the whole western media portrays,ISI as an evil.No evidence has ever been produced about ISI involvement with Afghan Taliban,but they have successfully been able to create this perception about the Agency,which Pakistanis also believe.Comment by chinchun is a case in point.Recommend

  • Lubna
    Oct 30, 2010 - 10:53AM

    Well written piece by writer. No doubt ISI is a disciplined organisation. Very informative articleRecommend

  • Gulsanga
    Oct 30, 2010 - 11:46AM

    Very informative. I did not know all of this.Very Good.Recommend

  • Shabir
    Oct 30, 2010 - 11:53AM

    I agree with Brigadier that ISI was not involved in the creation of the Afghan Taliban. This Organization is working best for country. Recommend

  • Rohit
    Oct 30, 2010 - 12:38PM

    The above article only highlights issues raised by Americans and in context of Afghanistan, but is silent in respect to India.

    Being the best Intelligence agency, should be in context being able to protect its own citizens and interests & not with creating successful Terrorist organizations targeted against India or protecting future strategic assets in Afghanistan.Recommend

  • SYED AGHA ALI MOOSAVI
    Oct 30, 2010 - 1:28PM

    Very True ASAD SB,and very right about the misconceptions of the USA/UK & other agencies+the media about our ISI.
    Infact ,what the ISI did for the American against RUSSIA ,now they thing that ISI ,is doing the same against them (USA& +)Recommend

  • Oct 30, 2010 - 1:35PM

    definitely………..one of the best agencies….RAW and CIA not even comparable………..Recommend

  • shah R
    Oct 30, 2010 - 1:36PM

    ISI,. The most trusted institute n and organisation , that whole country shouls be proud of . so diciplined . And all the other countries cannot function without its support cannot survive, Its very wrong t blame ISI on every issues. .THe Afghan Talibans are not the creation of ISI
    . Without the support of ISI no one can succseed in this region . It can be linked to many other important issues of the Country . But can only rely on them.Recommend

  • Zmarak Khan
    Oct 30, 2010 - 3:00PM

    The brigadier can not misguide the people by writing such articles. Never! People in Quetta, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Afghanistan and all over the world know the real face of ISI. If Pakistan starts from Attock then he is right that ISI is working for the security of Pakistan.Recommend

  • Umair Waheed Sheikh, Khayban e Hafiz,Karachi
    Oct 30, 2010 - 3:03PM

    ISI is the worst intel organization in the world. The generals in command of it think they are doing a good job by arming the Taliban and militants but they are decaying the foundations of this country.Recently did anyone read that ISI sealed letters were presented to the finance ministers regarding stopping investigations etc. It should be disbanded!Recommend

  • Oct 30, 2010 - 3:06PM

    The ISI was not involved in the creation of the Afghan Taliban, but established links with them once they captured Kandahar. The perceived presence of Indians in Afghanistan, the resurgence of the Taliban, the failure of coalition forces to secure Pashtun areas, the expected withdrawal of Nato forces, and offers of negotiation to the Taliban by Hamid Karzai are some of the factors which may have compelled Pakistan to review its Afghan policy.

    Sir, can we have the years of these events please,

    Creation of Afghan Taliban .
    Capture of Kandahar.
    Perceived presence of Indians in Afghanistan.
    Failure of coalition forces to secure Pashtun areas.
    Review of Afghan policy

    I beleive this will be sufficient to nail the fairy tale that you are pushing.
    Bob Woodward claims that Gen Kiyani managed to convince the Americans that Mumbai 2008 was the handiwork of ‘rogue’ elements of ISI. So what happened to the ‘disciplined organisation’ without ‘individual agenda’.Or did the General pull a fast one on the Yanks.Recommend

  • Muhammad Ziad
    Oct 30, 2010 - 3:07PM

    “The ISI is a disciplined organisation in which no individual or group can run his own agenda”

    Is it ?

    Let’s see what the Ex-Dg has to comment on this

    Sharif removed Musharraf after a phone call: Gen Butt

    Ziauddin also said that despite heading the ISI, he was kept out of the loop by the rest of the military in the run-up to the coup. He explained that one of his junior officers, Major General Ghulam Ahmed, widely known as GA, was secretly reporting to Musharraf. He said that in the ISI, most of the postings were done by GHQ and hence if the DG ISI did not enjoy the confidence of the chief of army staff, he was not just ineffective but also helpless despite heading one of the strongest intelligence agencies in the country.

    http://news.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/front-page/sharif-decided-to-remove-musharraf-after-a-phone-call-gen-(retd)-butt-200Recommend

  • saadi
    Oct 30, 2010 - 3:15PM

    The ISI has been the rogue state, its one of the central reasons why our democratic governments have not flourished.
    It has miserably failed in protecting the citizens of Pakistan. Somehow, the only “Intel” this deep state ever gets, is about India’s military capacity, and not the next suicide bomber which is annihilating the country.

    Not to mention the abundant evidence, of this rogue agency involved in “picking” up people in the most disadvantaged province, under the banner of national security, the missing persons in Baluchistan has reached 4000, according to AI.
    Wonder how they went missing.Recommend

  • Babruk
    Oct 30, 2010 - 3:45PM

    Joke of the Century:
    “The ISI was not involved in the creation of the Afghan Taliban, but established links with them once they captured Kandahar”
    All the articles that i have read in defence of ISI are just so illogical and out of touch with reality. Recommend

  • Ibrahim Khan Marwat
    Oct 30, 2010 - 3:50PM

    Very interesting and a well written article.Recommend

  • Ashraf
    Oct 30, 2010 - 4:33PM

    &Mr.Zaid.First of all the name of the General is not Butt,This name has been given to him by the Musharraf Government by design.He was one of the most honorable, competent and decent General.The writer has talked about discipline of ISI in the context of Hillary Clinton remarks”THAT SOME PEOPLE IN THIS GOVERNMENT KNOW THE LOCATION OF OSAMA AND MULLAH OMER”.In ISI it can never happen,that a junior officer has some important information of this nature, and he would or could hide it from his seniors.The example quoted you is of a military coup.What information could have been provided by GA to Mush?After the take over Gen Jamshed Gulzar was heading ISI and Gen GA was sidelined for few days.Gen Zia . u din may be narrating his perception of events in the hind sightRecommend

  • Oct 30, 2010 - 4:58PM

    Why does the ISI have to be treated like an insecure teenager that at a whiff of criticism needs its sycophants to write up songs of praise. Its an organizations that should be at the service of the people of Pakistan, just do your job! The ISI is a disciplined organization, right, and no individual has its own agenda ok. So are you saying that its official ISI policy to support the Haqqani network which is responsible for making a chunk of Pakistan its own personal domain, lording over 400,000 Pakistani citizens, and responsible for the death of Pakistani jawans? So the ISI most disciplined commanders make deals and pull strings while FC and Army regular jawans are sent into the region only to be ambushed and killed of by the same organizations that the ISI supports. Please spare us the propaganda! The ISI is accountable to none, is a law unto itself. And the fact that we as Paksitani’s have to define patriotism by clinging onto the ISI and believing that they are gods gift to humanity reflects poorly on us. Recommend

  • Sengathir
    Oct 30, 2010 - 5:04PM

    This looks more like a bedtime story rather than an article..Recommend

  • Jalil
    Oct 30, 2010 - 7:18PM

    &SENGATHIR.Do u have any inside information about support of ISI to Afghan Taliban?Are u influenced by the foreign and local media?Is this your perception?Are you one of those who believe things which they want to believe and reject all other,which they don’t want to believe?How much do you know about the Organization and working of ISI?Asad has written at the outset “This is a widespread impression, not only in the western media but also in the local media and the public of this country. Primarily, this perception is based on lack of information and ignorance about the role and functioning of the ISI”.Bed time story???????Recommend

  • Shahbaz
    Oct 30, 2010 - 7:46PM

    Nicely done sensitive and informative stuff,blaming any SPY agency is the hitting policy of CIA all over the world,no doubt ISI deserved the praise or imputing blame by the US officials.Recommend

  • Aftab Ahmad
    Oct 30, 2010 - 9:48PM

    Mr Munir, I’m sorry to say that you lack adequate information about the world’s most defamed secret organization. ISI has involvement in almost every activity linked with Taliban… Very sorry to say this but its the reality.Recommend

  • hopeless
    Oct 30, 2010 - 9:56PM

    Very impressive article; I thank my Allah for having such forthright, honest and high calibre officers in our Armed forces, which them the BEST of all the armies around the world rather the whole Universe and
    “The ISI and CIA imparted training to these jihadists to fight Russian troops. In February 1989, Soviet troops withdrew from Afghanistan. More than 90 per cent of these foreign jihadist left Pakistan for their own countries in 1989-90, including Osama”

    Mr. Asad was probably handling the registration and travel agency arranging the return of the foreign fighters lovingly named as Mujahedeen (they were fighting for the glory of Islam in the Islamic Citadel of Afghanistan)

    “The other group, known as the ‘Punjabi Taliban’, comprises members of the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Sipah-e-Sahaba, Jaish-e-Mohammad and various factions of Harkat. Once banned, groups from these outfits joined other terrorists in tribal areas. They are responsible for most of the terrorist incidents executed in Punjab.”

    That ISI knew nothing about Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Sipah-e-Sahaba, Jaish-e-Mohammad and various factions of Harkat is a known fact. They were completely independent in making their own strategic decision in which ISI was not involved.( It was busy bashing the corrupt politicians and distributing money to them and trying its best to topple all the democratically elected Government. Though highly competent, there is a limit to the pressure one can put on an organisation. Considering the fact that it is working on a shoestring budget and without any support from USA)

    “Uzbeks Fighters came to Afghanistan, to train terrorists in camps, return to their countries and topple their regimes through violent means. In the post 9/11 scenario, they crossed over to South and North Waziristan. They received no training from the ISI”
    Of course ISI knew nothing of this. They were busy forming estate agencies to allot plots(corner plots only please) to the senior soldiers of Islam and their friends.
    Such gems bring tears to my eyes and I hang my head in shame as some shameless, unpatriotic, Indian funded Pakistanis spread baseless allegations against the ISI.
    Long live Pak Army & ISI and down with bigotryRecommend

  • Oct 31, 2010 - 5:00AM

    @Mr. Asad Munir is it necessary to explain what is happening and why?

    I often wonder why the activities of intelligence agencies are discussed, debated, questioned and criticised in media across the globe.

    Intelligence is not merely an art of collecting information. It is art of collecting information WISELY and to present it CONVINCINGLY with full authority ONLY FOR THE EYES OF THOSE WHO MATTER.

    INTELLIGENCE is not a GUESS GAME and it is meant to keep the enemies of the country GUESSING!

    Allegations are not taken seriously when they are product of merely a Guessing Game to expect an explanation as to what the reality is? What is the logical response? Keep it that way or in other words keep the enemies guessing!

    @Mr. Asad Munir is it necessary for the ISI to explain what is happening and why?Recommend

  • Jalil
    Oct 31, 2010 - 7:23AM

    $Nadir El EDroos,sorry to say but you have no idea about the area and the terrorists operating in North Waziristan.Haqanni is a commander who has been in North Waziristan and is operating in Khost, Paktiya,Paktika and Ghazni(Ever heard these names?).Have you ever come across terms like “Taliban Network”,”Jaish Network”,”Jhangvi Network”?no?so why Haqani network?You have never thought about it ,but just using this term, picked up from some newspaper.”Lording over 4.00000 Pakistani nationals“, You must be kidding? I have no doubt that you do not know where Waziristan is located,who are the people living there and the situation in that area.Commenting is your pass time but please do not write on topics about which you do not have an in depth knowledge and you rely mainly on hearsay.Recommend

  • Ashraf
    Oct 31, 2010 - 7:59AM

    EL EDROOS,since u comment on every article and news item, therefore u do not have the time to read and comprehend the substance of many of these items. Your comments on this piece prove my point.By the way why are you so bitter about the forces?Are there some personnel reasons or you do it out of your love for this country?Recommend

  • Oct 31, 2010 - 10:30AM

    @Syed Nadir El-Edroos & Hopeless

    Hats off, Sirs.Recommend

  • Invisible soldier
    Oct 31, 2010 - 11:10AM

    The articles you read about ISI, in Washington Post ,New york Times,Daily Mail etc.,written by so called renowned journalists, are all based on speculations.No one knows the inside working of the ISI.Even the senior commanders of the armed forces,with one odd exception,are also not aware about the tasking of this organization.So one can only laugh on the comments written about the spy agency.One has to serve inside,and that also in a particular wing to know,the real story.I can assure you that whatever you read about the role of ISI,in war on terror,95% of the stuff is based on mere speculations. Recommend

  • Ashutosh
    Oct 31, 2010 - 11:59AM

    If the ISI do not take orders from the democratically elected government and repeatedly undermines its authority then how the author can termed it as a disciplined organisation?

    By supporting the terrorists both against Pakistan and against the other countries, ISI actually becomes a rogue organisation and is mostly responsible for the pathetic state of Pakistan today.

    With rogue and powerful ISI, Pakistan is destined to become a failed state, if not already.Recommend

  • Asad Munir
    Oct 31, 2010 - 1:25PM

    &VICAS RANJAN.Answers to your questions:-

    1.Taliban were never created,but were the product of circumstances-year 1994

    2.Capture of Kandahar-Nov 1994.

    3.Presence of Indians-2002-2003.Four consulates,an embassy and constructio teams.

    4.Failure of NATO Forces-2001-2010.

    5.The sentence i had written **”may have compelled Pakistan to review its Afghan policy”.

    As far as Eledroos and Hopeless are concerned,they are well meaning,patriot,but ignorant Pakistanis.**Recommend

  • Oct 31, 2010 - 3:37PM

    First of all, kudos to the sub-editor who made this article eminently readable – going by the writer’s response I can see the raw product needed a lot of work. But seriously Brig Asad Munir, I think we get your point about not making ISI bigger than it is. However you have to agree that the agency has failed miserably in securing the lives of ordinary pakistanis which should be your prime job. Like one respondent correctly said – unless your pakistan begins at Attock. Your so-called disciplined organisation cannot claim one success in terms of finding the perpetrators of terrorist attacks around the country. Name just one attack – from Benazir’s assasination to the bizarre attacks on the Nato convoy – where you have found the perpetrator.

    And if you claim Indian interference I believe we should all acknowledge that RAW is superior to ISI (now that is a competition that will truly improve the lives of ordinary Indians and Pakistanis).

    Overally thank you Brig for your continued “We have done nothing wrong” line. Recommend

  • Oct 31, 2010 - 8:09PM

    If ISI is supporting afghan taliban, then whats wrong with this? US forces are not planning to stay in Kabul forever, they will leave someday and then Afghanistan will be in the hands of Taleban. Pakistan cannot have enemies on both eastern and western sides of the border.Recommend

  • Oct 31, 2010 - 9:13PM

    @Asad Munir

    So, Pakistan got involved with Taliban in 1994 it self, in anticipation of Indian influence via ‘construction teams’ which was to come in 2002-03.Very perceptive and forward looking of the ISI indeed. Congratulations.

    That however, still leaves the small issue of ‘rogue elements’ supporting Mumbai,2008. How does the ‘disciplined organisation’ explain the ‘rogue elemnts’. Details at the following link.

    http://www.silobreaker.com/isi-chief-admits-role-in-2611-5_2263754089575743491Recommend

  • edgarm
    Oct 31, 2010 - 11:00PM

    fairy tales under the opinion column !!Recommend

  • vikas ranjan
    Nov 1, 2010 - 9:20AM

    @Asad Munir

    As far as Eledroos and Hopeless are concerned,they are well meaning,patriot,but ignorant Pakistanis

    Well, another ex-ISI General (Gen Gul ex-DG,no less) has described Baitullah Mehsud and TTP as ‘patriotic’. I do not know how keenly El-Edroos and Hopeless welcome the ‘patriot’ tag from the ISI.Recommend

  • Hamza Baloch
    Nov 1, 2010 - 11:47AM

    We must also remember…. Balcohistan situation become bad after indian infulence in afhganistan.Recommend

  • ahmed
    Nov 1, 2010 - 2:12PM

    @indians
    I don’t know why you guys are so obsessed with Pakistan, reading and commenting on Pakistani newspapers etc. Just to share a few facts, Pakistan poverty = 17% compared to India’s poverty = 43% (UNDP 2009). Naxals operate in 30% of india with impunity. The whole of North East of India is up in arms. Kashmir is about to break away. If I were you, I wouldn’t be worried about Pakistan.

    @everyone
    Some people actually believe that the tribal areas were a part of Pakistan and the writ of govt is being challenged there. They clearly forget that there was never a govt or an armed force’s presence in the tribal areas. We must respect the sovereignty of the tribes living on the border, If we don’t, then they have a tradition of revenge and honor and they won’t just sit back and suffer the military operations and countless drone attacks.
    .
    For a change we could start blaming the completely illegal occupation of a neighboring country as a source of the ills.Recommend

  • Zain
    Nov 1, 2010 - 3:19PM

    My questions, to the people who are against the ISI.

    Why would a spy agency want to topple its own government?
    Why would a spy agency not want to see its own country flourish?
    Why would they harbour terrorists?

    If they are that powerful then why haven’t they already toppled this government? Why haven’t they been in power for the last 20 years. Don’t say “uuuhhhhh…..well they have been ruling from the shadows”…stop making your self feel better by giving these silly excuses.

    The ISI is not our problem and neither is the Military, these are your strongest and most stable albeit overstrectched institutions, if only we had a disciplined in our “democratic” government.

    We slate the ISI and Army, yet rely on them for everything. Recommend

  • Niazi
    Nov 1, 2010 - 5:11PM

    Pakistanis are the only people who criticize their national intelligence agency.9/11 happened because of CIA,who created Muslim mujaheddin,who ultimatly turned against USA,and have more than 6000 US citizens.But has anyone seen a piece written against them,in America? .Ranjan and Parsad would criticize ISI and admire Pakistanis like EL Edroos,but they do not comment on RAW activities in Baluchistan.People who term this piece a fairy tale have no first hand knowledge about the job,mission and task of the ISI.They no nothing about the activities of the ISI,and base their opinion on hearsay,perceptions,half truths and media reports. Mossad conducts assassinations,but Israeli never write against them.Every spy agency looks after its national interest,and ISI is doing the same.You may not agree with their definition of national interest,but this is what they are doing.Hats off to Asad MunirRecommend

  • Neeraj, India
    Nov 1, 2010 - 5:13PM

    @ahmad, I would have demolished your fantasy figures and jaded assumptions word by word, but, that seems to be a waste of time as your comment is bereft of any logic. Suffice to say that, about India and Indians you are living in world of “Matrix Revolutions” of your own making.
    Stop reading Urdu papers! Recommend

  • edgarm
    Nov 1, 2010 - 6:10PM

    Just to state a fact , spy agencies , CIA , MI5 , Mossad , RAW , all report to a civilian government. The ISI does not.Recommend

  • ahmed
    Nov 2, 2010 - 5:41AM

    @Neeraj
    I challenge you to demolish my fantasy poverty figures which by the way are UNDP (2009) and World Bank (2008) figures. My friend, India is a nation of slums. 17% poverty rate in Pakistan compared to 43% in India. Even Africa seems more livable than India.
    .
    India suffers a trade deficit of over a 100 billion dollars a year. Its total budget deficits are around 9% of GDP. Foreign Direct Investment in India is drastically decreasing where as foreign portfolio investment is drastically increasing, leading to asset bubbles and inflation. Its public debt is already 80% of GDP, the highest for any developing country. Indian agriculture has grown at 1% for the last decade, which by the way employs most of the people. Food costs cheaper in Pakistan than in India.
    .
    Anyways, you must be a brahmin enjoying all the luxuries in India at the cost of the lower castes, and please stop reading Pakistani newspapers. It would actually benefit you more, if you worried more about Kashmir, North East or maybe the Maoist. Recommend

  • Niazi
    Nov 2, 2010 - 6:10AM

    Edgram.ISI is under Ministry of Defence and report to the Prime Minister as well as COAS.Since you are not even aware of this fact ,no wonder u think the piece is a fairy tales.Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Nov 2, 2010 - 5:42PM

    @ahmed
    Unfortunately, your exactly the kind of Pakistani, there is no point in arguing with

    Whether Neeraj read Pakistani papers or not, should not be your concern.
    As far as the UNDP report is concerned, there is always some statistical incoherence in their reports, sometimes its not the best thing to go by

    For instance, if you read Jagdesh Bhagwati, he cites UNDP report in 2008, which has given a figure of 29 percent, for the poverty rate of India.
    Its best to consider a range of resources before making a judgment.

    Secondly, what India does politically or economically could be your point of concern if it affects you or Pakistan. So feel free to comment on their inadequate policies, but there is no need to become personal.

    Thirdly, criticizing India, does not make your policy or policy of you country stronger, or any better.
    Its not a zero sum game, where India loss would be your gain.

    Its good to have Indians comment here, it sparks a healthy debate.

    And lastly,
    lets call a spade a spade, whether this logic comes from a “perceived” enemy or from within
    the ISI has been a rogue state, its meddled with everything where it had no jurisdiction
    they have miserably failed in securing the lives of Pakistanis, so why are we even defending it?
    this is not an agency which keeps this country together, its one which has divided it.Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Nov 17, 2010 - 2:52PM

    I have seen lot of pakistanis writing about India’s economy from the data of UNDP.
    They fail to understand that UNDP gets its data from Govt. of respective countries.
    UNDP does not do independent research or poll to arrive at the economic datas.

    Poverty related figures are again given by Govt. You people first need to be sure that your govt. is giving the right data and first case has the right data. We (indians) read that large parts of your country are not in actual control of the govt. so how can they substantiate on the figures.

    When ever some indian commentar says large parts of pakistan not in control with pak govt, you will argue on our naxal problem with some districts not in our control etc., But the fact in India about naxal problem is that GOVT is not there in the capacity of administration, not that we are not able to find out information about our poverty levels.

    More over i find that prices in pakistan of essential comodities is lesser than in India?
    Well Hope you people check the price and compare properly.

    Rest, Pakistan should not compare itself with India on size of economy or military because we are almost 3 times your size. We don’t compare our economy or military size with China because of same reason. We do compare with China and US in terms of economic
    prosperity.

    For the record in India nobody compares India’s economy or military with Pakistan even privately also.Recommend

  • Raju
    Nov 17, 2010 - 5:23PM

    ISI only thinks about themself They try to interfere in every breath of Pak They have created horrors in their society about about all other countries just to exploid public sentiments.Look at the price pak paying for ISI ,in terms of money , in terms of civilian deaths They just create panic in Pak. If they are so smart why do’nt they just crush militants in their home Militants are assets of ISI not only against world but also liberal minded Pak at homeRecommend

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