What had lent a sense of urgency to the 2012 India-Pakistan negotiations on the issue was the fact that apprehensions of natural disasters waiting to happen — if military activity in the region was not stopped — as expressed by international ecologists for quite some time had, regrettably, started to come true. The loss of so many lives in the Gayari landslide should have served to bring home to both sides the fact that nature has little respect for the best laid plans of men.
The joint statement issued at the end of the 2012 talks was lame to the extreme. Some media opinion sunk so low as to interpret the mere issuing of the joint statement as an indication of ‘some progress’. There was even talk of the two sides ‘inching towards a solution’. Why speak of ‘inches’ at a time when there are virtually miles to cover? India has, over the years, exhibited a marked reluctance to budge an inch from its traditional — and, one might add, somewhat irrational — stand: that of not taking a step forward unless the ‘ground realities’ are not only recognised but also formally authenticated.
The issue came close to a solution at least twice over the years. In 1989, prime ministers Benazir Bhutto and Rajiv Gandhi reached a tacit agreement on withdrawal of troops to pre-1972 positions. The Indian establishment apparently torpedoed the agreement. Then during the November 1992 talks in New Delhi, the two sides had reached agreement on a compromise settlement that would have resulted in demilitarisation of the area. This, too, was vetoed by the Indian establishment.
This said, a few home truths. Pre-1984, the Siachen glacier area was a vast, peaceful expanse, with nary a soldier in sight. There was universal defacto recognition that the area was under the ‘administrative control’ of the Pakistan authorities. In the 1960s, Pakistan and China had negotiated a border agreement covering the frontier between China and the area under the administrative control of Pakistan. This agreement covered, inter alia, the expanse of the Siachen glacier and extended up to the Karakoram Pass in the east. The Indian government went through the formality of putting on record its reservations, but made no attempt to challenge Pakistan’s notional defacto control over the area. It is to be noted that India did not challenge Pakistan’s defacto administrative control over the Siachen glacier area either during or after the Simla summit meeting.
Circa 1984, apparently taking advantage of the technological superiority afforded by the supply of high-altitude helicopters, India surreptitiously established advance posts on some of the heights, thus manifesting the first serious violation of the Simla accord (the Kargil fiasco being the second).
There is a gigantic ecological disaster just waiting to happen. What with the hullabaloo about saving the world’s environment, there is nary a squeak from the international community about the sinister goings-on in Siachen. Pakistan’s feeble response at this juncture can only be put in the category of too little too late.
Published in The Express Tribune, December 10th, 2013.
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@Rex Minor: "@Understand: This (Entire state of J&K is an integral part of India) is not stated in Indian Constittion!" The territory that joined India was the entire state under the suzerainty of the Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir (which includes those parts under the occupation of Pakistan and China). That is stated in the Indian Constitution.
@FAIR&SQUARE:
Dude, first read the entire document.
At least you agree the authentication of the document and the Indian claim.
Even your own country has not objected to the wordings. Stop looking for things which don't exist. Do you know the meaning of "thence"?
@BruteForce: The phrase used is "thence north", NOT "thence northward". Please appreciate the difference in nuance.
@Reallity Bites: thanks for explaining the situation leading to the present impasse. You have laid all the details and reasons of distrust from India. I only hope that some day the establishment of Pakistan will see the day light. Regards.
@A Friend: Thanks for your compliments which is accepted with humility. Your concern is genuine as the most picturesque place is turned into a battlefield, and casualties suffered by both sides are only due to inhospitable conditions besides causing environment disaster in this region. Well ideally, both sides should disengage and troops falling back to plains area, but the same may not be achieved so soon due to lack of trust which has been elaborately explained by Reality Bites. Should the most powerful establishment in Pakistan ie Pak military changes its hostile policy towards India, we will reciprocate for sure and peace shall be achieved in no time. Regards
The problem is India tried to reason with Pakistan's establishment in the past and only got stabbed in the back for it and was fed lies to cover up the truth. Pakistan's establishment always felt that they could get undue advantage and could push India internationally on J&K and Siachen especially with US support till the mid 90s. The world is now different and India is in a position of strength economically, militarily and has alot more global support than in the past thus why should it make compromises especially when the Indians feel they are in the right and are not twisting facts and the land is theirs as per the agreement in 1949 and confirmed by the Simla Agreement. There is no way India is going to take a step back from Siachen till the actual ground positions are recorded and accepted by both countries. The Pakistani establishment cant be trusted and you yourself have said that. Its all a publicity stunt. If an acceptable proposal confirming India's ground positions was on the table, India would have signed it by now. No verbal agreements on anything given the huge trust deficit. Vajpayee (leader of a BJP - supposed Hindu right wing party led govt) was shaking hands with Nawaz Sharif in Lahore and Pakistani soldiers were infiltrating across the LOC at the same time. Is there anything more shameless for a prime minister and a nation than that. Lying to another Prime Minister and attacking his country when he has been invited for peace talks to your country. Very honorable indeed. Followed up with the Mumbai attack and the reaction of the Pakistani establishment post the attack, does Pakistan expect India to be understanding and amicable. How can India forget the past when nothing has changed in terms of policy and actions from the Pakistani side? Unfortunately this trust will have to be earned by the Pakistani establishment through its actions. Even though the status quo costs lives due to the weather. Its a sacrifice the Indian armed forces have to make given an history of adventurous Pakistani endeavors of conquering Siachen and J&K.
@Last Word. Wished it would have been different and every one could have enjoyed these wonders instead of fighting for them. I regret the loss of life on both sides. For most of Pakistan's history, planners only had a hammer in their toolbox so every problem looked like a nail. As a South Asian I am happy of India's emergence and I pray that may Indians wear this pride with grace and dignity.
If you are so much concerned with environment why not confirm actual ground positions and get the zone demilitarised?? we confirmed PoK is with Pak and still claim it. Why cant you do the same?
@OB: Appreciate your comment. However, let me reply you in simple words that planners in Pakistan were trying to repeat an old story of 'The Arab and his camel', but the Indians who knew the moral of this story ie 'It is a wise rule to resist the beginning of an evil' thwarted their attempt.
@BruteForce: Do you really think pakistani politicians think beyond next elections ? thinking about what is going to happen after even 10 years is beyond the scope of pakistani politicians ! Had they done that pakistan would have been on a right track , on a much better one !
@Pakistani: Say a little less lies. At this rate you will lose touch with reality very soon - that is unless its already lost.
@sm: "India trusted Pakistan then. It does not trust Pakistan any more." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Too Bad....the whole world trusts Pakistan.!!
Thank you for the replies, I did not mean any hostility in my comment to deserve what I got back.
@sm: Are you sure your message was for me? Or to OB, whose post I responded to by quoting the relevant aspect of his post?
LOL: Pakistanis really have a great difficulty in keeping to their side of the border. Why cant one be content with what one has, why must it be so greedy, even for a desolate cold grave? You wanted to divide, now stay on your side! How difficult is that?
@OB
Thats precisely why no one gives visas to Pakistanis. Once someone allows you in, you start behaving as if you own the place
@Understand: is that News to you? J & K has been a part of India from the dawn of times. And it remains and will remain that way.
Pakistanis should learn that "People who live in Glass Houses should not throw stones". You send jihadis into my country to wreak havoc on our streets and then do nothing about it against prima-facie evidence. Your leaders such as Sheriff and Musharraf issue us Nuclear War threats - they will fry our nation in 3 minutes. You are a nuclear armed neighbor saddled by irresponsible Generals who start Kargils while our Prime Minister is in Lahore shaking hands with your PM and talking peace. When you indulge in these kinds of behavior, you must realize, Indians will not be retreating from Saichen or anywhere any time soon whether an environmental disaster awaits your or not. Indians are today least concerned about your problems and concerns (there may be a whole population of us who are rejoicing that you have them). You sleep in the bed you make. Too bad.
@np: India trusted Pakistan then. It does not trust Pakistan any more.
@Indian Wisdom: "The forest cover of Pakistan is just 2%" +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Pakistan did not reach 2 % forest cover thru natural disasters...it was corruption exploitation and mis managment. Pakistans stellar record at managing its forest and water respources. !
You say "might add, somewhat irrational — stand: that of not taking a step forward unless the ‘ground realities’ are not only recognized but also formally authenticated. "
Sir, From which angle you find that India's demand of recognizing and formally authenticating the ground realities is irrational. I always found Mr Khalid Saleem to be a sensible writer and surprised to see such irrational remark from him. Will he kindly explain that how a demand of formally recording the ground reality is not realistic and pragmatic to avoid any future misunderstanding.
Troop withdrawal and saving the situation is within reach and held up only because of the attitude of my way or highway by Pakistan.
@OB: "There was no objection or protest from India then. Can any of my Indian friends here explain why?"
Because India did not have any problems with Pakistan regularly allowing foreigners to trek those mountains, because that area was not clearly allocated to neither India nor pakistan till then. India captured Siachen Glacier only after it had confirmed reports of Pakistani troops trying to seize that area. Pakistan even had a head start, but due to comparatively easier accessibility to the glacier from Indian side, India managed to capture it and establish a post there before pakistani troops can reach the place. Since then, 3/4 th of the glacier is controlled by India and a smaller part below is under Pakistan's control. Now since you have got today's history lesson, it is now Q&A time. So, what does that mean? It means India owns Siachen and inspite of having tried multiple times to take control of it, Pakistan has failed badly every time and now it can't do anything except crying and trying to humiliate India every now & then publicly. Oh, and also trying to get India to give up its hold on Siachen by talking of environment, because lets face it - Pakistan has never won any war with India anywhere. So it has become good at only shouting...and exporting non-state elements to Indian soil in the hopes that Indian Army will back off.
@OB If you can explain to our satisfaction, your activities "Operation Gibraltar" in 1965 to "Mumbi 2008" to "operation beheadings at LoC 2013 " Indians will be very much obliged to answer your question.
@OB:
So, your objection is not based on agreements nor documents, but on something else entirely.
If a guy lets a thief steal his car and the guy doesn't protest, its still called a crime and the car still belongs to the guy.
I quote from the original document which gives the area to India.
Pakistan is saying the boundary lies to the East, which will make Siachen its territory. But, its clearly mentioned thence North.
As to why Indian Army did what it did in 1984, its because the Intelligence agency got a tip-off that Pakistan was planning to occupy that frontier. Once occupied its impossible to for the opposing force to retake it. Hence, India went ahead and sent its troops there.
I hope your thirst for data is satisfied.
@Pakistani: Cry me a river while you are at it.
I am a Pakistani. In 1962, my father, with a Japanese expidition conquered Saltoro Kangari (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SaltoroKangri, http://altitudepakistan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/raja-bashir-ahmad.html). The route to the mountain was through Siachin Glacier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SaltoroMountains). The news of this conquest was projected in the entire international media considering that mountain to be the most difficult to climb. There was no objection or protest from India then. Can any of my Indian friends here explain why?
The only battle being fought in Siachen is between Man and Nature, not between Armies.
Oh my. Pakistan's concern for the environment is touching. Perhaps rather than feel frustrated over wha India is not doing for the environment you can focus on fixing what you CAN control with regards to the environment? Here are some examples:
1) http://tribune.com.pk/story/643313/where-are-the-deer/
2) http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009%5C12%5C25%5Cstory25-12-2009pg7_16
3) http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2011/06/201161717524413319.htm
Siachen adventure like other wars with India was started by Pakistan whereas the former merely responded and got this area vacated by force. Now its Pakistan who should take the lead and agree to the Indian proposal of declaring the present line of control as IB and both sides withdrawing to their previously held positions.
Sure, Pakistan is very much concerned about environmental issues......
So why don't you start with these points:
The forest cover of Pakistan is just 2% The rate of afforestation is highest in Pakistan (out of Asian Countries). Some steps to reduce emission of Black Carbon which are the real time bomb for the glaciers Some committed steps to conserve the fauna and flora to maintain the ecological balance of the Himalayas and KarakoramThere are so many steps which Pakistan can take if they are really concerned about environmental issues instead of begging India to withdraw its forces ....................
Let me put it simply.
Environmental disaster happening in Siachen will not affect India. The melting glaciers feed Pakistani rivers, not the one's India is allowed to use. As a result, Pakistan can either sign AGPL and everybody can go home, or face water shortage 30 to 40 years from now.
I quote from the Deccan Herald report: "It delineated the entire CFL, demarcating over 740 km on the ground. With the CFL increasingly running through high mountains and glaciated areas as it traversed north, it often followed a directional path in the absence of clear landmarks. Thus, finally, ‘Chalunka (on the Shyok River), Khor, thence North to the glaciers,’ passing through grid reference NJ 9842."
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/244273/facts-siachen.html
Anyone can look at the agreement and search for reference for NJ 9842 and the words "thence north".
North all over the world means north.. Which means Siachen is India's.
Pakistan suddenly seems to have woken up to an environmental problem, after it has been unable to resolve the issue using force. This seems somewhat funny, coming from a country which allows rich Arabs to hunt endangered birds for 'sport'.
India's point of view may seem irrational to many Pakistanis, but the bottom-line for us is that we have simply no trust in Pakistani establishment. Through their conduct over the past several years, Pakistan's establishment comes across as unreliable and dishonourable - instances that are too numerous to list out (Mumbai 26/11, Kargil, Parliament attack just to name a few - A request to conspiracy theorists frothing at mouth, please spare us your insights about how all of these were 'false flags' and how everything is a conspiracy to malign Pakistan). . Plus, even if Pakistan's 'establishment' agrees to something, what's the guarantee that your 'non-state actors' will abide by the agreement? Non-state actors, who deserve an Oscar for their performance, give Pakistan a way to wriggle out of any agreements that apply to other, civilized nations.
As far as Pakistan is concerned, Indian policy ought to be 'good fences make good neighbours'. I'd love to live in a world where this harsh truth didn't apply, but unfortunately, we live in Pakistan's neighbourhood.
If Pakistanis talk of earlier 'de-facto' administrative control by Pakistan, why don't accept the present de-facto control by India and shut up ?
Vow, is this now really the new strategy - India should abandon Siachin because there is an environmental disaster waiting to happen? Incredible.
Since WHEN has India ever 'acknowledged' Pakistan's 'de-facto administrative control' over the Siachen Glacier? Is it in any agreement? I say its only in the imagination of the author and other like-minded people (I do not use any more adjectives since these posts are 'moderated'!) The fact is that as far as India is concerned, the WHOLE of the Siachen Glacier, as indeed the area that Pakistan 'administers' i.e. Gilgit-Baltistan and Azad Kashmir (as it chooses to call it) is an integral part of Jammu and Kashmir State, which is a part of India. This contention will never be changed, whatever anybody in the world says or thinks. Come what may! The sooner Pakistan accepts it, the better for itself and its citizens. Period.
"irrational — stand: that of not taking a step forward unless the ‘ground realities’ are not only recognised but also formally authenticated."
Could there be any more irrational statement than the above. The Author is deluded and so are many Pakistanis who now want to pitch the environmental damage as a way to wipe their blunder of Siachen !! Demarcate the ground positions and live peacefully.
@Understand: This is not stated in Indian Constittion!
Rex Minor
endian army is an illegal occupying colonial enterprise. Either it rapes innocent Kashmiri women, and dumps the dead bodies of thousands of innocent Kashmiri men in mass graves, or it occupies and encroaches the border areas of its neighbouring states whether it's China, Nepal, or Pakistan. The Kalapani sector of Nepal was also illegally occupied by the colonial endian army. China's region of South Tibet was occupied by the endian army way back in 1962. So it's no surprise that the colonial occupier endian army launched a so-called operation meghdoot and illegally occupied Siachen Glacier which is a part and parcel of Pakistan. After ravaging Harmandir Sahib, raping thousands of innocent Sikh women in Punjab, massacring 12,000 innocent Sikhs in Delhi alone during 1984, and after raping countless innocent daughters of Manipur, it is no surprise that the endian army still illegally occupies the frozen heights as a gesture reminiscent of colonial imperial britain. After all the colonial endian army created the terrorist tamil tigers which ravaged Sri Lanka for over four decades. endian army is a cancer in south asia.
India is also concerned about environmental issues, however security issues do not permit. You can authenticate the Indian positions and we can withdraw. Also you are confusing Pakistan's lack of leverage with not trying hard. This can only be explained by Pakistani delusional inflated self-image. Look what you have tried hard for 67 yrs, several wars, terrorism, offering servitude to powers much bigger than you, strategic depth adventurism, lobbying at the UN, writing news paper columns like this...many many things..... You do lot of things....except working on building a viable country.