A Mumbai broker had put up an ad for the sale of a flat which says “No Muslims” live in the building.
A Mumbai broker had posted an ad online for the sale of a flat - worth INR 3 crores - which says:
"Excellent brand new 2BHK fully furnished flat with cross ventilation, natural light. Cosmopolitan society, no Muslims, with car parking on immediate sale, fifth floor interested please call."
"There are several cases of discrimination against minorities in housing that have come before; we have taken action in the past for example against society registrars. We will speak with concerned authorities and take action," Maharashtra’s minorities commission chairperson Munaf Hakim said.
The national authorities are also examining the advert. "The ad I'm afraid to say is somewhat ridiculous - it talks about various facilities available in the apartment including no Muslims. How ridiculous and how absurd; it is highly offensive. Are Muslims part of the furniture, I mean what does he mean?" questioned National Minorities Commission Chairperson Wajahat Habibullah.
A screengrab showing the ad description.
Legal action
A petition has been filed with the India’s National Commission for Minorities, seeking action against the broker and a portal which displayed the ad.
"I got a call from a representative of 99acres.com, pleading they can't be held responsible for the ads which are published on their site," Habibullah said.
"We are in the process of putting in place more rigorous checks and processes to prevent the recurrence of such listings. We are deeply embarrassed that our site was misused in this manner," the website owners said in a statement, as reported by NDTV.
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@Raj - USA: You hate Pakistani Muslims and not other Muslims? Your anti-Islam comments prove otherwise. Regardless, this is still racism, hate, and bigotry. You should grow up and not waste your time to try to convince us that we are bad. You will never succeed in your propaganda. We are Pakistanis by virtue of our birth and our culture, and that is something which neither you nor your Hindu fanatic friends can change, no matter how much you hate it.
You are a foreigner and not acquainted with Pakistan or Pakistanis. You can never know the ground realities in Pakistan for people who live, work, study, and thrive here, regardless of their religion. You are a self-proclaimed enemy of Pakistan and Islam. I ask you again, why are you here? Do you really think you are accomplishing anything but making people hate your country, India, even more?
@Rohit: Your statements are proof enough of my point here. Hatred of Muslims and Islam is endemic and an obsession for India's Hindus. You will have to learn to live with Muslims, they aren't going anywhere. Otherwise, just remember, any actions against our Muslim brothers in India, will be met with massive consequences by the world's Muslims. You may have deceived many about India, but we Pakistanis are well-acquainted with your real nature. How long can you hide your true face in front of the world?
@Bakhtiyar Ghazi Khan: I have never tarnished Islam or any religion in my comments. It is persons like you who constantly tarnish Islam and also other religions. I have made a clear distinction between muslims of Pakistan and other Muslims. It is you and people like you who bring in hindu, christian and jews in everything. Look at your previous comments elsewhere in ET yourself. It is not a small section of muslims of of Pakistan who do these acts that insult Islam. It is a very sizable section. Maya Khan staged her live conversion show on TV to increase her TV ratings because these enjoy popular support in Pakistan. Look at the videos of the thousands of Pakistanis firing their guns when Rinkle was converted. Look at the conduct of Chief Justice of Pakistan and Mula Bux Chandio. All these young hindu girls were first taken to some muslim homes in muslim communities immediately after they were kidnaped. Everything that happened to them thereafter happened in the family environment of the muslim families. Even today, no Pakistani muslim wants to probe the NADRA records of the young hindu girls who have been converted. Why? Don't do bad things and try to get support from other muslims by claiming to be followers of Islam. By doing so you only bring bad name to Islam. Do you want your government to probe the NADRA records of the hindu girls who were abducted and converted? Let us see what your conscience says. Say it out loudly and clearly without circumventing or camouflaging.
Finally, if you have read all my posts, you would have observed that I love Patriots and nationalists, be they Pakistani hindus of Indian Muslims.
I do not understand why we Indians are trying so hard to explain that Muslims get an equal opportunity treatment in India. They might or might not get exact equal treatment, is immaterial. Just that Muslims are not getting killed by Muslims (like Syria) or getting ethnically cleansed (like Pakistan, BD) is good enough. India is never meant for Muslims, because Pakistan was created for that purpose. Period. Leave India for Muslim Ummah : The heaven on the Earth.
@Pankaj: If mindset against UP walas/Biharis is not good then they should also work on cleaning their image rather than just criticising marathis
@ Freed has replied you well. A Kanpur man comes long way to Mumbai to eke out a living; not to criticise locals. You want the onus to be on other party. There is only one entity in the world that one can change (presumably for better) & that's oneself & that in itself is a huge chore.. Changing others is hopeless task. If you paraphrase the words of Rex Harrison in "My Fair Lady" (Why can't women be more like men) you would rather all Indians in Bombay be exactly like Marathis & all Muslims be precisely like Hindus. Well, next somebody will say why can't Hindus be more like Muslims? Many actually want to:- first they demonise the Muslim, hate that exaggerated caricature & then want to imitate him & be exactly like the perceived object of their hatred! Quite doable too.
@Gurion: Frankly quite surprised by your question as I do not have my "personal" definitions of standard English words. For example "rebel" and "rebellion" are used 22 times in this Wikipedia description of the Naxalite-Maoist insurgency. Pogroms and massacres are fairly "routine" in India (when compared to other civilised countries). Finally I refer you again to Wikipedia for "minorities", that is exactly my definition. There are hundreds of other sources of course but I have deliberately stuck to the a reasonably reliable and readily available public source of Wikipedia as this is not an academic debate. We are simply expressing personal opinions rather robustly, as is the case with most online fora, and hopefully also trying to understand counter narratives to our deeply held beliefs through this dialogue (on the whole constructive in my opinion). Thanks to ET for the opportunity.
@Freed:
Sir, you need let us know your definition of "rebellion", "routine", "massacre" and "minorities" before you start making sense.
all sensible people should oppose such balatant biased mindset.those justifying it are far far from being civilized irrespective of their religious affilliation.Ad is a sad commentory over how we have degraded ourselves from being human.
@gangsta:
Actully it was venus, looked like chinese planes, very obvious for naked eye observation, Read some second world war literature. It is common.
Criticism is ok, but it should have correct facts.
@Rakib: Probably you missed my whole point.My question is same. If a mindset is formed about someone or something who is actually responsible for that ?I have very simple points to make. If mindset against UP walas/Biharis is not good then they should also work on cleaning their image rather than just criticising marathis. Similarly if mindset in whole world against muslims is not good what exactly muslims are doing for that ? We all agree that this mindset is dangerous but you cann't just oblietrate that by wishful thinking or blaming mindset of persons !
@Rakib: @Freed: Remarkable posts by you people. Can be termed as dissertations as everyone is now more learned by going through it, requires a perusal though, with great care.
@Indian Catholic: More loyal than the king comes to mind reading your comments:) FYKI I am Indian by birth and know very well the reality behind the myth-making. If India is such a haven for minorities than why is there a Naxalite rebellion in areas very much larger than the areas where Pakistani Taliban are active? Why are there routine massacres of minorities including Christians? And why for goodness sake do you and most other Indians posting here think in binaries, India is seen completely differently from Pakistan in the world (with hugely greater respect and admiration - undeservedly as I mentioned earlier), so why do you have keep saying "look at Pakistan" whenever India is criticised, its utterly childish. In any case I have never defended Pakistan in any of my posts above, as there is nothing to defend, Pakistan's record is truly appalling in all of these matters (e.g the treatment of Bengalis), even Pakistanis themselves do not anymore. Anyhow, is that all that India aspires to? To be "marginally" better than Pakistan?
@Freed & others: All of you Pakistanis pick on a personal misdeed done by a Christian, a member of my community, and quickly equate it to the daily persecution and massacres of people of minority religions and sects in Pakistan. Believe me when I say, "There is no comparison".
Please improve the situation for your minorities and stop shedding crocodile tears for Muslims in India.
Excellent posts Rakib, particularly your response to Pankaj! The level of denialism among the Indians posting here is breathtaking. I am starting to wonder if this is a clever ploy by some fiendishly evil ET staffer who is selecting the worst posts in order to paint Indian Hindus as a brazenly bigoted bunch. But I know this is wishful thinking, it seems that the Hindu Mahasabha agenda may finally be starting to play out (thanks to Jinnah, Patel and Nehru - I would however absolve Gandhi of this as he became a lone voice against the dangerously ambitious trio). The rise of Modi certainly points to this. It reminds of the wonderful BBC drama I Claudius, in which the Roman Emperor Claudius delivers this memorable speech: “I have decided Nero should follow me so that one day the empire will revert back to the Republic, that is to some form of representative government. I have been too good an emperor, too fair and too honest. I will give Rome Nero and when he is done with Rome, Rome will be done with emperors altogether. It will be bad, exceedingly bad…worse even than Caligula but they have to have the whole terrible truth about just how bad it can be before they come to their senses. Let all of the poisons that lurk in the mud, hatch out.”
@Bakhtiyar Ghazi Khan: We have many muslim family friends here in USA. Some Afghans and Bangladeshis were more than friends and were my business partners. Even in my college days in India. I had many muslims friends and classmates. As far as muslims in Pakistan are concerned, I have issues with them on raped conversions which the the population supports, media glorifies and courts cover up. Everywhere, in any country, Pakistani muslims are the ones anyone thinks of whenever there is an act of terror. Even Pakistani muslims themselves think and pray "Oh God, let it not be a Pakistani Muslim this time", whenever they hear of any terror activity in USA or Europe. When you kidnap a 12 year old girl from her home, take her to a muslim home and rape her for weeks and months then give her a holy book, are the muslims of Pakistan respecting their religion. They treat it in the most disrespectful and demeaning way. If Islam is disrespected, it is the muslims of Pakistan who are doing it. They are the ones who are looking down upon Islam. No others.
@Pankaj: Your posts are balanced but if I may: Where will it all end one day other than like a boomerang? Issue may not even be that one would want a Muslim only to be heard (if he is a singer or actor) & not seen (as a neighbour) as per one's sweet convenience. Issue is what people are doing to themselves. Let me assume only for argument that you are from Bhopal but live in Mumbai. Imagine all Muslims vanish from Mumbai or become as insignificant in numbers as Hindus in Karachi but the mindset of people ( as exhibited by some here) remains. That mindset will look for fresh targets. Hindus-Marathi & Bhopali-would then be at each others throat in no time. Ask an old Karachian who has seen better days how it happens. Intolerance, greed & bigotry keep searching for newer victims. When I was working in Bombay Shiv Sena was targeting Malabari footpath hawkers & Mangalorean petty restauranteurs. Then it became Tamils or Southerners in general, Gujaratis on occasion. Now it is Biharis & UP-wallahs. Future demand will be-housings only for Marathas. Where will it end? Worry not as yet though; so long as Muslims are there Hindus are safe from Hindus.
I am posting this comment for a third time, after it was rejected twice. ET, why did you reject my comment and allow racist, anti-Islam, anti-Pakistan comments to through? Allow this comment to go through.
I suggest everyone to take a look at the venom and poison in the minds of these commentators. If there is any doubt of the hatred in India against Islam, this proves it without a doubt. I suspect all of these individuals are Indian Hindus, some writing as fake Muslims, Christians.
Read the above comments by: "water bottle, Miresh, Mirza, Francis D'Souza, gp65, Raj - USA, Swami, M. Emad, Indian Catholic, G. Din, Anjit Sharma, Shiv, Rohit, Lohman, Hafiz"
Real shoddy moderation by ET. Really, how can you allow racist and offensive attacks on Indian Muslims and Islam, and yet reject responses which are against bigotry and hate. I'm shocked really.
Indians are having a holiday attacking Indian Muslims and Islam, yet ET censors comments critical of that.
@water bottle: @Ijaaz: @Freed: It appears my response is rejected by ET. That's that.Thank you.
@Freed:
Resul Pookutty, the Oscar award winning sound designer and a muslim was denied an apartment in Mumbai by a muslim family because, "he didn't look muslim enough". So, mind the four of your fingers that are pointing right back at you!
@Lawrence: The incidence i cited was not the only one, it is quite widespread, particularly in small towns and rural areas. The point I want to make was that not only Muslims but other minorities does find discrimination on the basis of religion. Lot of riposte by readers were suggesting that only Muslims were singled out and were discriminated upon and not other groups, and they are themselves to be blamed for their so called medieval/rigid way of life. And the misplaced perception that minorities are marginalized in Pakistan need to be debunked. The situation here is as good or as bad as in India for that matter.
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/violence-against-christians-on-the-rise-as-police-look-the-other-way/article4355537.ece
http://www.christianpost.com/news/violence-against-christians-spreading-in-india-89858/
@water bottle: This is due to the Indians' habit of crying over spilt milk. Even if a dog farts, the Indians will blame Pakistan and Muslims. Another is the western media plus Indian media which is always looking for a way to voice their complaints and display their racial habits.
Shame of on all Indians who are trying to defend this ad. Being a Indian Muslim, I sincerely hope that the government make it illegal to make such ads
Please ask yourself if india is the only non islamic country where there is such discrimination on any level or there are others too? is india only country where people are afraid of muslims? If I am keeping a distance from you its not always because I naturally hate you it maybe because of fear of your image. Now who has responsibility to make a good image of yours ? you want me to accept you just like that even if you know that you are having so many blots on you in my belief for you. if my opinion is against you and you are doing anything to change that then for any reaction from my side you are equally responsible.
I'm pretty sure many Indians would be shocked and angry to see their fellow countrymen trying to justify this discriminatory ad. Those defending this ad should be ashamed.
another truth is that same indian society accepts muslim artists better than many other. It doesn't evern discriminates muslims from Pakistan. So in that multicultured society it is very easy to pick a truth of your own convenience to explain any position you take. Those quoting Shabana azmi must listen to her husband Javed Akhtar's interview on the same question given to Pakistani journalists including wazahat khan!
@Hero:
you have forgotten one thing why the pakistan was supported during its creation British wanted their buffer zone, still your are their partially colonised buffer zone nothing else.... that is the difference between you and us.
Being pork eating hindu / christian if I become your tenent how do you wellcome me dear.... each day in day out if neighbours start looking only Pandit / Nuns / saint how do you welcome them dear,,, how do you expect madrasa graduated half backed so called humans having mentality of terror as your immidiate neighbour?
if any pakistani has answer please respond me through E.T.
@indi.pendent: So you really think that ONE incident of violence against Christians in ONE state Orissa means that they are discriminated against all over India?! Are you really serious or are you being fatuous for the sake of it? India is a country of 1.2bilion people and you take ONE incident against the Christians to prove your point?! Christians are doing extremely well in India. Among all the religious groups in India, Christians are the richest followed by Sikhs. They have the highest spending too. They occupy all sorts of positions. I think you should not talk about issues about which you know so little. You are incapable of unbiased inference.
@indi.pendent: your thought are enlightened us. thanks but no thanks, could you see in your back yard what is the state of Hindus / Christians / Ahmadi / Shia as minorities?
when you are showing problem of other men through your show finger other 3 fingers are pointing towards you mind it dude...
entire world knows what is happening for minorities in your land of pure and forcible conversion.....
no need for your crocodile tears toward minorities over here, there are well of then you sub human.
@observer: Now tell me what is it that we are discussing here
What we are discussing here is discrimination against ordinary Muslims of India that are looking for a billet other than presidential palace or prime minister's bungalow. And a view that Constitution of India is yet to alter constitution of Indians.
@Freed: Glory be to the girls.. @Ijaaz: Thanks; I hope my separate response to you will be accepted by ET
@water bottle: Thank you for your kind words & interest. Obviously I am Indian. I mean no offense but experience prevents going autobiographical on Internet unless a shared bit has reference to context.Here I mentioned Ahemedabad because my work keeps me at Vastrapur. Besides,I don't want "rakib" to rival my commercial interests. I guess you, like a few others here, have a wise head placed on young shoulders. Opposite is my case; hence it's unlikely that we were contemporaries at University.
Don't cry. You opted to stay back Indian Muslims. For whatever we are worth, just the fact that this cannot be done in Pakistan, is enough to reconfirm the partition was very right. And that we continue to treat India aqs Enemy No. 1 till they 1. Follow all UN Water Sharing resolutions to the dot. 2. Have plebiscite as per UN resolutions. 3. Desist from overt interference in Baluchistan and areas of KP.
If not, then fine. No trade, no talk, no sports, and no Aman ki Asha.
For all those who think that India's secular credentials are hollow, you might want to read this: http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/story/687215.html India has a long way to go in redressing inequality. But the light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter all the time.
Pakistanis talking about discrimination is the greatest joke. You got a country, then move there.
@indi.pendent: What you have read is the exception.Let me share my own personal experience in this regard. I own properties in Chennai and I am a Hindu. One of my tenants is a Muslim family in the ground floor while the first floor is occupied by a Hindu family working for the Indian Coast Guard. For one other property , the shortlisted family is a Muslim .Well if you can talk about one bad apple , let us talk about other apples in the basket.
Has anyone read Articles 41(2) and 91(3) of the Pakistani Constitution?
41 (2) A person shall not be qualified for election as President unless he is a Muslim of not less than forty-five years of age and is qualified to be elected as member of the National Assembly.
91 (3) After the election of the Speaker and the Deputy Speaker, the National Assembly shall, to the exclusion of any other business, proceed to elect without debate one of its Muslim members to be the Prime Minister.
Now tell me what is it that we are discussing here?
@water bottle: Please dont try to justify a phenomena instead of getting ashamed of it. Or please stop criticizing pakis for everything since you lose your moral high ground .Please read this
"Is Mumbai really as cosmopolitan as it is commonly perceived?
“Nah…how can this happen in Mumbai, that too with a Bollywood star?” I heard many people say when Emraan Hashmi reported that he was having difficulty in finding an apartment due to his faith. Then it was Shabana Azmi. “I wanted to buy a flat in Bombay and it wasn't given to me because I was a Muslim and I read the same about Saif (Ali Khan). Now, I mean, if Javed Akhtar and Shabana Azmi cannot get a flat in Bombay because they are Muslims, then what are we talking about?”
@water bottle: Please dont try to justify a phenomena instead of getting ashamed of it. Or please stop criticizing pakis for everything since you lose your moral high ground
@Naveen: Dont be stupid....it is a fact that communal ism is deeply entrenched in our people...we should be ashamed of it instead of making lame excuses.
This is not a new phenomena...the practice is being followed in many parts of the country since long....its shameful...but true. We are not as secular as made out by paki media.
@indi.pendent: Could all the Pakistanis crying over this advertisement let me know what is the chance of a Ahmedi getting a house in Sunni/Shia locality in Pakistan? I think it would be worst than a Muslim getting a house in Hindu locality in India.
“Excellent brand new 2BHK fully furnished flat with cross ventilation, natural light. Cosmopolitan society, no *Non Vegetarian, No Animal sacrificer, No extremely large family * Allowed, with car parking on immediate sale, fifth floor interested please call. (Police clearance may be asked) ”
@Rakib Thats a nice story. But as you may have seen from the comments here, the bigots seem to outnumber the sane ones by a big margin at least on this newspaper. Going to great lengths to castigate those 'terrible' Pakistanis yet can go to any length to endorse things like these. I do not have any special love for any Pakistani but since this was so obvious from the comments above, felt like highlighting it.
Have you seen the comments here. From the gross to the outright stupid to garden variety stereotypical. Many of these folks get their info from the 'RSS prachars' and its mouthpieces so its understood. And this is not a new phenomenon in India. It didn't start with 9/11 as some folks here are trying to broadcast it as such. It has always been a part of the nation (except in the deep southern states). It accelerated in the 60s and its climax was the early 90s. Since then most Muslims, no matter his income, his social class, his ethnicity or his sect knows he is to live in a ghetto. The rich ones end up creating walled compounds, the middle class ones have 'marked' buildings and then theres the average guy who makes do with whatever is left. Folks here seem to be be disgusted by the squalor, the filth and they have it blamed on the muslims inhabiting them completely absolving anyone else of anything at all. Yet they forget to see the utter competition for whatever little space exists between the ones who are staying and the ones coming in from the countryside. Since you mentioned Ahmedabad, you must know that most muslims live in Juhapura, a large ghetto. By large means its area is around 4 or 5 sq km yet it houses more than 400,000 people, more than the entire population of Gandhinagar. the capital city of Gujarat.
If all of this appears like a blabber to the pakistanis here, let me set a context for you fellas.
Almost all muslim areas in India (except in the deep southern states) look like Old Lahore or Heera Mandi (No I never visited them but then what good is Google for?). For the Paki Americans who might never have set foot in their home country, imagine Harlem, with the cacophony of downtown Manhattan with the dirt and grime of an open air meat and fish market (Fulton in NYC comes close but not close enough) and viola you get the picture. For the 'mainstream', areas are divided usually upon economic status. For us, we have to look for the best building in the ghetto that our purse can buy. And getting a loan is next to impossible. Somehow family and friends help each other. You could still get a loan but then you've got to be real close to the bank manager.
Now imagine a guy who works for, say Accenture, making good money, having to live there. And having to dodge questions about where he lives from his fellow colleagues. Always having one or the other excuse at hand when they would want to visit his house with their families. Its not all that pretty but then its all familiar to many people I know. The very fact that so many of them would want to visit me gives me hope that the bigots may be vocal but then they are still a minority. But im apprehensive they might grown in Number. But then such is life. One doesn't get all the goodies in one place or whats a heaven for?
This seems ad by Individual neither by company nor by Govt. Its Individual choice. There are many societies which wont give flats to other societies. Goto Parsis, Jains, many may not give flat Even Hindu wont give flat to Hindu of diff sects. Biggest reason is difference in culture, living and eating habits Jains, Vaishnavs, Brahmins are vegetarians, Many of them dont even eat Onion and Garlic. Muslim and many non vegetarian Hindus too cant dream that they will get whatever they want. Its not about religion. Its simple fact that if you are Muslim you are a non vegetarian. Also, if any Muslim actor (or in fact any Actor, Hindu or Christian etc ) goes to Business community society , they will not get flats. Super rich people may consider them inferior dancers. But Media will sensationalize Muslim discrimination only.
In these cases, Religion is not a main and only factor. Also, due to terrorism spreading, and few of Muslims were found in bad activities, that affects all other innocents too.
@Rakib: What a lovely and heart-warming story, thank you. This is the kind of thing demonstrates the wonderful "promise" of India. Despite the grinding poverty, widespread corruption, casual violence, slums and general disorder and chaos, this idea of greatly disparate and diverse peoples living in harmony (India is not "two nations", it is in fact 100s of nations) still has the power to move the neutral observer. This explains the teflon coated image of India in the west, where despite many terribly grim realities it has always received a much better press that it perhaps deserves. And it also explains the poor image of Pakistan, certainly worse than they deserve, because of the unforgivable "original sin" of breaking up a potentially great example of the ability of humanity for peaceful coexistence. In a story full of ironies, the irony is that the creation of Pakistan had nothing to do with Islam, as the concept of nation states does not exist in Islam.
@Rakib:
Who are you Rakib.
Could you reveal your real name and identity.
Just a request. curious to know. You write well and remind me of a college friend.
How offensive. Err, did they mean Sunni Muslims or Shia Muslims?
Nothing really new here. Most muslims, even if ivy league educated and working for firms like IBM, have to make do with ghettos. But then thats fine. For once it has brought muslims across ethnic, sectarian, economic class together. The ivy educated one, the neighborhood butcher, the businessman driving an Audi all sharing the same zip code...
Anyways, heres more food for thought: http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/worlds-apart-in-a-divided-city/article5278661.ece its an article on the city of ahmedabad...and how the two worlds, one mainstream and other a muslim ghetto in one of the upcoming Indian metros..
They would come with a large family and multiple wives who look like penguins and bring down the real estate prices. It has happened world over.
@genesis: They don't claim to be the world's largest democracy !
This is just social discrimination.A builder once told me ,that if he sells an apartment to a muslim ,the value of the building goes down.A vegetararian does not want to live with a non vegetarian.Some Hindhus dont want to live with people who eat beef.In Gujarat,some societys even prohibit the cooking of non veg foods.Muslims,Parsees& Jains tend to live in buildings where people of other sects are not allowed.The bottom line is that there are no Goverment rules that favour discrimanation,unlike Pakistan.People are more comfortable living with their own religious community
here discrimination is in an aid. i know a country where discrimination(to minority and other religion people) is there in the constitution of the country.
For every depressing episode there is one uplifting one in India. Here is story of a cause célèbre. Vastrapur is a cosmopolitan area in Ahmedabad known for the academia & offices rather than fanaticism. In January this year Nida a young Muslim girl from Delhi joined the famous Indian Institute of Management here as research associate. While house-hunting she got friendly with Shwetambara a girl from traditional Jain family from Patna who too was new & both began looking for shared apartment. Per Shweta's religion she is a strict vegetarian, eschewing even onions & garlic. I wonder how they planned to share the kitchen! In olden days single girls (or boys for that matter) wouldn't have got a place easily but that was not the issue. Issue was Nida is a Muslim. Flat owners politely refused her but Shweta was most welcome as a tenant. The Jain girl rejected the offers though Nida told her to go ahead. Shwetambara stuck by her new friend & fought on a principle, trying to convince landlords.. Nida too did not give up; refused to go to a ghetto or to lie about her religion. It was an intense struggle for the young girls. At some point a local daily got involved taking up their cause. Finally they won & got a flat in Vastrapur. An India that is made by Nidas & Shwetambaras will not be unmade by some bigots.
@Naveen: Give a place to a muslim and the next thing would be a few dozen kids running down aisles, namaz in front of your house and slaughter of goats on the premises.
@NYC: " ... Thank You Nana for migrating out of this “land of the seculars.” ... "
Your Nana was a good person. Wish there were millions more like him in 1947.
@ET moderation team Please stop xenophobic comments. This site was created to foster open discussion between rational human beings. Why are you letting right-wing wackos like Water Bottle to post? His comments are clearly xenophobic and full of hate.
Indian's are such a fun bunch. Trying to justify the denial of fundamental human rights but then again it is a part of their culture (the caste system).
@Freed: No. But your newspaper blocks our replies
and then they say why we made Pakistan...lol
The Indian Muslims preferred Pakistan than India in 1947 and Pakistan was created as a 'homeland' for (British) Indian Muslims. Why now Indian Muslims want to buy south-facing expensive flats in Mumbai? Instead. they should buy similar flats in Karachi - Pakistan.
@Freed
Very well said. Respect.
It should not happen. Its deeply offensive.
@Viral: You know you're wrong when famous stars like SRK admit they are being discriminated against for being muslims. So high is your ignorance that instead of saying,"yes, The indian govt should take action against this because it goes against basic human morals," You try to sling mud at a whole religion. No wonder we split. Thank You Nana for migrating out of this "land of the seculars." Pakistan Zindabad. Quaid-E-Azam Paindabad.
@Naveen: "Being a Jaat myself, I can’t fathom how I would’ve reacted if some apartment owner/broker in my city puts up an ad claiming ‘No Jaats’ allowed." Develop the same reputation as Muslims have, trust me there will be such an ad. Homes and hearths are where people come to for peace and quiet. And, no matter who is likely to disturb that peace and quiet, he shall be avoided like the plague.
@Raj - USA: Thanks for the bump. Nice seeing you and gp65!
@u got trolled:
You ask: Where is Raj-USA?
Here I am.
I think you have not read the two comments from @Indian Catholic herein, just few comments above your comment.
1st comment by @Indian Catholic says: "I hope Pakistanis realize the irony that the ad is for an apartment in a Hindu Colony posted on OLX by a Christian (most probably Catholic) with verbiage to exclude Muslims. By the way, we Catholics face zero discrimination in India."
2nd comment from @Indian Catholic (just above your comment) says: "Some idiot Christian (and Catholic) did this, so don’t expect him to be like all Catholics, all Christians or all Indians. Look at the plus side. No one was killed."
BTW, I support Indian muslims but am against Muslims of Pakistan only and that too not all muslims of Pakistan but those who belong to one particular sect only. I am not against muslims from any other country also. I have said this clearly many times in many of my comments.
Really? Where is Raj-USA? Just wondering.
Some idiot Christian (and Catholic) did this, so don't expect him to be like all Catholics, all Christians or all Indians.
Look at the plus side. No one was killed.
@Tanzeel: "There are housing societies in Karachi where only Ismailies, Madrasis, Bohris, Shia families live and they strictly don’t give home or apartments to people of other sect/ community. " . I am sorry there is no parallel. As far as my understanding goes, in case of Ismailis' and Bohris', the units are heavily subsidised by the the central organisation aiming at providing homes for those who are not well to do in the society.
@Freed: Not harping about secularism in India. India is still Secular sans Muslim. And that was the idea behind creation of P-land. That means, India is for Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, Christians, Parsis etc. But no M please.
@Sobriquet: I like the way your mind works.
Such "No Muslim" tags were in fact helping Muslims their time and effort to visit the prospective house. Now the landlord refuse the M-boy after meeting him.
@Zulu: What a joke you are?!!! All "muslims" are not the same people. They are racial, ethnically and culturally totally diferrent people. Muslim is a religious following like Christian, not a race: anyone can become one in minutes. There is nothing common among Somalis and Indonesians or Afghans.
Among your masters, only 2% of the Arabs are rich and the rest are dirt poor. Among the other muslims converts, almost all are dirt poor. Even the Arabs are basically good for nothing people who have been vagabonds for thousands of years and cannot even produce a needle on their own. They are just lucky that the west found oil in their land. Once that oil runs out they will be back to their vagrancy!!!!
and pakistan gov't promises to obliterate minorities from pakistan. what a shame!.
@Taimur:
"To my hindustani brethren……you are a thankless lot. You beg for jobs in the same Arab and Muslim countries you are critcizing in these pages. The economy of many of your states is dependent upon remittences from your Arab owners…..shame on you. Please F.O.A.D."
Like Pakistanis who take billions of aid from USA and protect their enemy no.1 in their army academy?
@shah:
"This is why Kashmiris want to gain freedom from India so that they can live in tranquility and respect."
Tranquility and respect?
LOLROF
Like Pakistan? Saudi Arabia?
Just so you know...it is posted by Jacintha real estate.
jacintha is a popular Christian name from the Tulu speaking community of South India.
So, it's a Christian posting.
This proves that Muslims are not liked by anyone.
Heck, Muslims are not liked by other Muslims.
@Zulu: Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia , UAE , Kuwait , Bahrain , Bruenie are the Richest in the World
Also the poorest,lawless countries like Pakistan,Afghanistan,Somalia,Sudan are also muslims...
I gotta give it to u...Sitting in Pakistan and day dreaming of being an Arab while they dont care two hoots about you....
BTW,how did they become the richest countries??
Are they leaders in technology and innovation?? Are they the most hardworking people?? have they contributed anything to modern society Zilch
All they did was to sit on a huge deposit of oil..besides they discovered oil long ago but still didnt know what to do with it...It wasnt until Rudolph Diesel and Karl Benz found it to use for vehicles,the boom started.
Even inspite the boom and being rich,they are still licking the feet of USA so that their country wont be occupied by US forces...
You listed about india Let me list about your Arabs Overworking immigrants at 50 C,forcing them to fast in Ramadan month, Belly Dancing, illegal camel racing,purchasing child brides,Dancing boys, drug addiction among the rich class,building harems in Dubai,Raping a foreigner and then arresting her for infidelity,ill treatment of females, refusal of driving license to woman....
In short,Your favorite countries are just North korea with money....Once the oil dries up,they will be beggin in the street with their golden bowls and that day is not far....
Thanks God real face of secularism is in this advertisement along with blogs. And that was why Pakistan was created,
huh....psuedo-secularism...We are labeled as extremists but there is no such law in Pakistan...thank God
Very disturbing to see so many Indians trying to justify this.
All those bashing 1.2 billion people of India, its democracy and secularism we have to understand it is a stupid ad and the govt is taking action beside several organizations. The main issue would have been if a Muslim comes up with the money and were refused to sell the house. Let us not forget what can we buy in our most favorite country like S. Arabia? How many kids who are born in these Muslim countries get automatic citizenship? How many laws are there to protect our cheap laborers there? How much equality to minorities and smaller sects of Islam is provided in our own Land of Pak?
I hope Pakistanis realize the irony that the ad is for an apartment in a Hindu Colony posted on OLX by a Christian (most probably Catholic) with verbiage to exclude Muslims.
By the way, we Catholics face zero discrimination in India.
This highly objectionable ad must be condemned by all democratic, secular and fair minded people in the world. It is nice to know that India has laws against such discrimination and there are legal means to stop this nonsense. Let us not make this human rights a communal issue and make use of the laws that prohibit these unfair and discriminatory practices. The world is not a perfect place (including the west with more strict laws) however we all have to make it a better place when we leave.
@kohinoor: You worry about the condition of Hindu's in your country. Do I need to remind you how they celebrated Diwali this time.
@Baagar Billa and Shama ji - This discrimination is due to creation of Pakistan, not the other way round. Blame the creators of Pakistan who drove a wedge between Hindus and Muslims.
Let me change the advertisement for academic sake. Pakistani comments invited.
“Excellent brand new 2BHK fully furnished flat with cross ventilation, natural light. Cosmopolitan society in Lahore, no Ahmadi, with car parking on immediate sale, fifth floor interested please call.”
http://tribune.com.pk/story/593922/rights-of-minorities-ahmadis-not-allowed-to-do-business-in-muslim-areas/
@someone: 'India a better place for Muslims than Pakistan'...read interesting comments of 'water bottle' and also go through 'Freed' comments. And your last sentence is self-contradictory to what you have written above in the riposte.
This Ad is nothing but disgusting, this society might have availed bank loans and govt. subsidiary it makes mockery of secularism. It must not be surprising to anyone as this is widely practiced across the country in all major cities by many societies.
This time it has gone a bit far by clearly announcing it in their Ad and let us see how the law will treat this case and will the responsible people get booked and pursued by law enforcement agencies.
@indi.pendent: I do not know why you mention the caste system in this issue. BTW, Brahmins are only one segment of the entire Hindu fraternity, not the whole.
"Muslims" in the subcontinent all are converts, not native muslims. They converted by force (as in the case of Pakistan and Afghanistan) when the Arab Caliphate conquered them or voluntarily converted in case of India and Bangladesh to gain favor from the rulers in power.
These people now pretend that they are more native and holier than the Arabs which is what turns-off most people. They are equally derided by Indians and the Arabs for exactly that reason. Anybody who pretends to be someone else ends up being no one at all. And that is the state of "muslims" in the subcontinent. Assuming Arabic names and using Arabic scripts cannot hide your native self!!!!
@Naveen: Pls stop comparing Haj Subsidy with the Kumbh mela. No one is given a subsidy on their ticket to go the Kumbh mela or to Amarnath yatris. A lot of people visit the state during this period and the government makes arrangements to ensure that there is proper law and order and sanitation, and also benefits from the money that is spent by pilgrims during this period. If the Govt is not involved in organizing the Kumbh mela, it will still take place, but will be disorganized/ chaotic. In contrast, the Govt has no such benefit from giving the Haj subsidy, it is a tax on the Indian tax payers by the secular government to send some people on a religious trip abroad.
Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia , UAE , Kuwait , Bahrain , Bruenie are the Richest in the World while India is a dirty and poor country of pathetic beggers. 80% of its people live in horrific poverty , let these animals live in this condition forever. India is pathetic country drowned in horrific poverty , backwardness , superstition beliefs , overcrowded buses and trains , open seawers , poor supply of water and electricity , massive crime and violence , rejected and banned medicines and pharmaceuticals , poor facilities , C grade and D grade consumer products , awefully polluted rivers and enviornment , social issues like women beating and female infant killing , child marriadge bride burning for dowry , corrupt polticians and beuracrats , brutal police. Animals like dogs , monkeys and Cows roaming everywhere. What a hellish place India is.
Noone has paid attention to the name of broker who posted this add. He is CHRISTIAN, Vishal D Souza. Its between Christians and Muslims, dont drag Hindus inbetween.
To my hindustani brethren......you are a thankless lot. You beg for jobs in the same Arab and Muslim countries you are critcizing in these pages. The economy of many of your states is dependent upon remittences from your Arab owners.....shame on you. Please F.O.A.D.
@Miresh: With just 5% of Brahmins in their ranks, doesn't it mean that the rest 95% Hindus is relegated to second, third, and fourth class citizens, yes there is a fourth class as well, and Muslims in India, i think are in that class too India's caste system has four main classes (also called varnas) based originally on personality, profession, and birth. In descending order, the classes are as follows:
Brahmana (now more commonly spelled Brahmin): Consist of those engaged in scriptural education and teaching, essential for the continuation of knowledge. Kshatriya: Take on all forms of public service, including administration, maintenance of law and order, and defense. Vaishya: Engage in commercial activity as businessmen. Shudra: Work as semi-skilled and unskilled laborers.The most obvious problem with this system was that under its rigidity, the lower castes were prevented from aspiring to climb higher, and, therefore, economic progress was restricted.
Mahatma Gandhi, the father of modern India, made the lower castes and untouchables a fifth, lowly class with the name Harijan, or "children of God." You see many references to SC and ST in India, in newspapers, government notifications, and so on. These initials refer to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes — scheduled is what Harijan is translated into today.
This is why Kashmiris want to gain freedom from India so that they can live in tranquility and respect. Indian Hindis are increasingly arrogant and disrespect minorities.
Muslims have created a very bad reputation for themselves by their medieval and anti-secular beliefs and terrible lifestyle behavior. They turn good neighborhoods into ghettos. Most of them are incapable of co-existing in a modern and pluralistic society. I can see why nobody wants them in their neighborhood!!!!
@genesis: May be because I don't live in Arabia nor do I see them as worth imitating (or even considering). Their socio-political models are perhaps the worst in world, only thing that is keeping their Governments & nation-states running are perhaps the hordes of decomposed Dinos under their feet.
@Viral: People like you are a reminder that I should be thankful to Allah for Pakistan. Pakistan zindabad!
@Shama ji: In fact I never saw any sense in the partition. It was a manifestation a massive lack of self confidence in Muslims of that generation in their own abilities to find their rightful space in a united, secular and democratic India (Sir Syed's effort to redress the balance was clearly a case of too little too late). Of course both Hindu and Muslim religious extremists (e.g. RSS and Jamat-e-Islami) opposed the partition, because there is nothing better than blind faith to imbue one with unshakable (and misplaced) self confidence. The irony of ironies is that the person primarily responsible for the partition was by all accounts thoroughly secular (despite the crude revisionist efforts of the Pakistani establishment to conceal this fact). The partition divided Muslims of the subcontinent into three equal parts, greatly weakening those who were left in India to the point where they seem to be increasingly considered a "nuisance", as this article clearly demonstrates (and this is only the tip of the iceberg - it is well known that even successful professional Muslims end up in ghettos after being denied accommodation in desirable new developments - and it is well known that Modi has successfully ghettoised the Muslims the entire state of Gujrat and is trying to repeat the trick in UP and Bihar). Of course there is no denying that the treatment of Hindus and other minorities in Pakistan is even worse. So this is what the partition has given us: along with an unaffordable arms race; wars and risk of nuclear Armageddon; some of the World's worst indices in almost all HDIs, in many cases worse than those of Sub-Saharan Africa; and finally the rise and rise of this seemingly unstoppable and rabidly virulent extremism on both sides of the cursed border!
Now this ad will be used by Pakistani trolls for the next 10 years just like Emraan Hashmi's statement that he was not given apartment for being a muslim ,even though he was lambasted by the Muslim fraternity in the movie industry and later apologized....
@indi.pendent First of all,This has nothing to do with secularism...According to secularism,the Constitution shouldnt favor or discriminate any religion,unlike yours where minority cannot hold office or Ahmaddiyas cannot call them muslims
This is a private entity which has build a apartment complex and have reservations in alloting them..
Would a posh Pakistani apartment allow a christian/Hindu who loves to cook pork and does barbeque on sundays during Ramzan month????
Thats what is happening in these complexes where muslim stay...They cook the smelly beef and during Bakrid,they do sacrifice in the streets which not many are ok with it...
When I initially moved to Chennai,I wasnt given house in a Jain colony because I admitted that i'm a non-vegetarian and even in a muslim area with no reasons given...
But whatever it is,the loyal brigade of Pakistanis will continue to troll using this ad as evidence even though a non Pakistani will laugh at their assertions
@Francis D'souza: You never heard/read of Christians killed in Orissa state which numbered more than 77 few years back. The reason cited was Christians were converting Hindus into their own religion, but the reason given was low caste marginalized Hindus in order to escape the upper caste discrimination, converted to Christianity.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/oct/19/orissa-violence-india-christianity-hinduism
@indi.pendent: Just because you are ignorant that does not mean whole world is. India is still the better place for Muslims to live in than Pakistan. Shias are not being killed in India. Ahemdadis can still call themselves Muslims. People can still go to the mosque without the fear of being bombed etc.As for the secular nature of Indian government, that is unquestionable. On the other hand how many hindu/sikh/christians are holding the public offices in high posts in Pakistan? As for some people thanking their forefathers for Pakistan, well Indians thank them too as that really cleansed India from extremist mindsets.
I am an Indian and I am disgusted to see ads like this. I might also add that one of my neighbors is a Muslim family and it totally traumatized me when they sacrificed a goat in their yard a few years back. After we requested them to please heed the sentiments of the vegetarians around them, they did not repeat that again.
@genesis: Lies! i dare you, i double dare you to show me a proof.
All apartment complexes are managed by their cooperative societies who formulate their rules as to who gets to live there. Government has no role and no business to enforce their ideology on any one. Secondly, it is not just about who rents or buys an apartment. After all, he/she is not an island to himself/herself. They will have visitors/relatives visiting them. Who vouches for those visitors? You certainly don't want them to be barred from visiting you. Better to be safe than sorry. Shabana Azmi is a celebrity, much respected. Even she was denied the permission to buy a piece of property. All her relatives come from Azamgarh, her native place and Azamgarh is known as the epicenter of terrorists in Uttar Pradesh.
that means ahmadis are allowed to buy home in mumbai..... luk who is talking?
who cares if muslims are discriminated....?? there's life beyond muslims....get over with it ...yawn ..
I read in the newspapers a few days back that india is planning to go to mars. Be careful guys, please dont end up on a russian satellite this time confusing it for mars like the last time when you confused a chinese satellite for the planet venus hahahaha.
@indi.pendent: while this kind of ads are embarassing,this happens againest various communities and linguistic groups as well.the explanation given is conflicts arise when some functions are arranged within the siciety.in case of muslims the main complaint is animal sacrifices take place within the society premises where predominant occupents are pure vegetarians,eventhough advertisements dont appear even muslims are reluctant to allow hindus in societies where they are predominant.whats the solution?
in pakiland, govt irself is against all nonsunnis. and here acting like innocents.
Ha ha ha. The reality of india. It is interesting to see such articles once in a while and the funny attempts of indians to justify them.
@Baagar Billa: Or perhaps its a consequence of two-nation theory. Read what Mr. 'jai' has commented on this page.
@water bottle: Certainly, but the denizens of those countries in the west don't criticize the creation of Pakistan which was demanded because of the same discrimination Muslims faced in undivided india :) I know it's too much to ask for, but for a change, just one time, admit that your country is at fault. I mean you guys are going to Mars but cant live on earth properly, no offence... just food for thought. And please don't get mad now and start posting gibberish. It will only show that it hurt ;)
@Francis D'souza: Sorry sir. First media outlets should stop the 24/7 propaganda about Islam and Muslims. The divide is created by them. Isnt it a matter common sense that terrorists have no religion, no social standing and no principles? They exist and come from all walks of life Btw, when NATO (North Atlantic Terrorist Organization) invades Iraq, Afghanistan etc with b.s. excuses which turn out to be blatant lies, nobody questions them. Do you think they haven't killed scores of innocents? Why carve out 'Muslim' terrorists alone? Ironically, wherever US goes, there starts an endless series of terrorist and suicide attacks. And who gets killed? ORDINARY MUSLIMS.
See interview of Shabana Azmi g and Irfan Hashmi and hear them speak of discrimination when a muslim goes out to buy a flat in mumbai
@Naveen: This is surely liberated thinking.Why not start with permitting non muslims to visit muslim holy sites in Arabia and even employing them currently they are barred from ENTRY!
@indi.pendent: I am not interested in empty rhetoric emanating from our esteemed 'realist' neighbor. State any fundamental tenet of Secularism that Indian Government violates - Any State religion? Any clergy class based advisory or ruling body? Any holy text as guidance to State Policy? Any legalised preference for a religious community for any non-religious Governmental posts including that of Head of state ?
There are housing societies in Karachi where only Ismailies, Madrasis, Bohris, Shia families live and they strictly don't give home or apartments to people of other sect/ community.