Indian PM says relationship could never move forward without restoration of ceasefire. PHOTO: FILE
"It has come to me as a big disappointment," said Singh, while talking to reporters accompanying him on his two-nation tour to Russia and China.
Manmohan went on to say that he urged Nawaz to realise, "even at this late hour", how detrimental the border violations were to relations between the two countries.
"Let me say I am disappointed because in the New York meeting there was a general agreement on both the sides that peace and tranquility should be maintained on the border, LoC as well as IB and it has not happened."
"We had agreed at that time that if the ceasefire of 2003 has held ground for 10 years, then it could be made to hold later on also. That it has not happened is something which is really a disappointment."
The Indian PM's remarks come against the backdrop of increased tensions and violations along the border between Pakistan and India.
Recently, Pakistan Army reported eight civilians injured and one killed by Indian firing along the border near Sialkot.
Pakistan agency role in Muzzafarnagar riots aftermath
In a passionate speech on the recent communal riots in India's Muzaffarnagar, Congress vice-president Rahul Gandhi lambasted the BJP for triggering violence, and went on to claim that Pakistan's intelligence agencies were active in the aftermath of the riots, Times of India reported.
"There were riots in Muzaffarnagar. I met Hindus, Muslims and a journalist's family who was killed. When his little daughter narrated the riots, I was reminded of my grandmother's death," said Rahul.
"Two-three days back, an IB officer came to me. He said several victims of Muzaffarnagar riots now wanted to go to Pakistan and so he was tracking them. So you instill anger, engineer riots and then ask why there is terrorism."
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@Siddharth: You know absolutely nothing about me, so there is no use of personal attacks against me. It only proves how desperate you are.
I repeat, you will never find a single Pakistani who will call himself an Indian, it is simply unheard of. I don't know why you Indians hold on to this myth. Perhaps it makes you feel better about yourselves.
You should know, Pakistan came into existence through the democratic right and will of the Muslims of modern-day Pakistan, including the Punjabis, Pashtuns, Baloch, Kashmiris, Sindhis, and numerous other groups. You should know this, because it is this very principle of democratic will which India is suppressing in Kashmir.
Your hatred, jealousy, and obsession with Pakistan is unhealthy. Do yourself a favour and find a better hobby. You will not convince anyone here.
@Mala jatt: "why are you here? You dont have to comment on a pakistani website?" Why you pakistanis have to react to what our PM says? Why you pakistanis have to come to India for finding jobs? Why you pakistanis have to pose as Indians after 9/11 to survive in the west? Why you pakistani use youtube and facebook? ''those are not pakistani websites''...dont get hyper bro...trust me I know its shocking but you people are just yawn here in India!! And talking about Islam well let me put up some facts ~Muslim population in India: 2005: 13.5% 2012: 14.2% How are Hindus and other religions doing in your country mate? And finally if you think you can make me hate you people (like people in Saudi Arabia hate you) sorry bro. Even Islam doesnt support hatred...# PEACE
One should recall Dr Singhs wise suggestion to Mr Musharaf on Kashmir; we cannnot alter the current borders but make them meaningless with (improved) our relations. It would seem that with Nwaz Sharif coming to the podium the process has started. The migration of the Kashmiris stranded on Pakistan side are returning home now, some via New Delhi by air and others on foot across the so called meaningless border that Dr Singh referred to. Why so much fuss now? .
Rex Minor
Indian PM is pouncing hawkish statements since his defeat is certain in the upcoming elections... Mr Singh, please change your speech writers before its too late and you & your party becomes a history! Barring a few pseudo-intellectual trolls of PTI, the entire Pakistani Nation is standing behind Nawaz Sharif.
@Queen
"If India is so ‘innocent’ as it claims to be then why does it not agree to conducting UN inquiry on the LoC incidents."
Why do you want a third party involved in a matter that should be resolved between the 2 countries. If you want to "talk" peace then why not take the most important "step" towards peace ..... control all the jihadi elements destabilizing peace and get your army under the civilian population? It has always been the same story coming from Pakistan's end .... deny in the beginning and then mute once the truth comes out. Whats the action that was taken against the Kargil preparators or the Mumbai and Indian parliament attack masterminds ? As for the Samjhota express, there was an inquiry and the guilty are now in Jail. Can we expect the same from your end?
One thing the people of India fail to understand is despite the claims by Pakistanis that they are the biggest "victims" of terrorism why do they still hesitate to take action against the same terrorist who are actually sitting inside their own country. Instead there is a constant debate on who is the terrorist. Is it such a complex things to accept that the people who are blowing up country to bits are the real enemies?
@Siddarth: Then why are you here. You don't have to comment on a Pakistani website. Your presence here belies your words. Face it, you Indians are obsessed with Pakistan and Islam, and that jealousy kills you inside.
The fact that hatred of Muslims can drive popularity of India's politicians is really telling of the ground reality of India and its self-destructive hatred for Islam.
Mr. Manmohan Singh (Indian PM) says he's "Disappointed" by Pakistan PM, well we don't see this way. From Indian PM (Mr. Nehru) onward all of them has been in habit to disappoint, not only Pakistan but all members of UN-a PM (Mr. Nehru) on behalf of him and the entire Indian nation gave a commitment to the world that India will respect Kashmiri people desire for self determination, but 65-plus years gone n Indian politician, government never respected it's words, above all now calling Kashmir part of India. Who can n will trust a nation who's so called hero's tell open white lie to the world. Forget about Mrs. Indira Gandi n Mr. Bhutto (both faced their fate) now, let's sit, talk, plan and give people of Kashmir their right of self determination - this integral part formula never worked n will not work, nor India ever be able to intimidate Pakistan rest assure about this fact.
@A2Z: Oh please, pakistan would never be a factor for Indian voters. We Indians would vote against corruption, black money, unemploynent and inflation next year. You people are not as big here in India as you think.
@np: Kindly read my previous comment. You will understand the reality my friend.
Blame Pakistan for all problems, India's go-to policy since 1947. Blame the victims when Muslims are massacred by state-supported Hindu mobs, then criticize them for wanting to escape persecution. How long can you hide under your facade of "Secular" and Democracy" when your entire blood boils at any mention of Islam, Muslims, or Pakistan.? The entire world will see the true India soon.
Mr. Rahul Gandhi is turning to be a big disappointment. He is playing emotional card as a weapon against Modi's passionate speeches. As far as Mr. Rahul's comment against intelligence agencies from other side of border is concerned, "Indian" has rightly pointed that it is our responsibility to maintain harmony and peace in our society and a just system will go a long way in ensuring that. But the perpetrators of horrible crime of 1984 try to preach others how to govern.............
No wonder elections are coming so Indians ae playing dirty politics to grab the votes by Pakistan bashing.
Everybody should appreciate the Pakistani politics for at least one thing. They didn't use the India bashing in recent elections nor Pakistanis voted on that basis. Rather the whole focus was on the real Pakistani issues.
Indian public is still immature even after 66 years of democracy but Pakistani public is mature even after dictatorships. They know their real problems and politicians also engaged them on those problems during election campaign.
Hopefully biased mods of ET will publish this comment.
@MK: Pak Army and politicians also want to distract attention from TTP troubles by heating up the border. They also want US/UN involvement and thus some visibility is required to get attention !
Some people want to go to Pakistan for good? -- I'll contribute for their train tickets...
This young Gandhi rembers her grand mother evedry now and then bt never mentions the sikh community which was massacred on the orders of her grand mother.
Rex Minor
You frequently read about Pakistani civil society being victims of Pakistan military. The military is dominant in Pakistan because of the militant mindset of the civilian population as reflected in the comments here.
The civilian population jingoistically supported each and every single war started by Pakistan army including the Bangaladesh genocide in 1971.
What interest does India have in flaring LOC? ZERO. This has always been the case since 1947.
@Saleem: Please write your actual indian name.and for your info.pakistan defense budget is $ 6 billion which is bare minimum against india $45billion. Yeah when indian rogue army and RAW stops this nonsence on LOC,then ISI will also respond in kind.LOL
@np:
Why do you think that Indian Army is always right? Just because you are an Indian? This is the point bro, you people are not willing to listen to other side of the story. The truth behind the brouhaha is that India is not willing to accept the fact that Pakistan is the only country in the region that talks with it on equal basis.
We have heard offensive [sometimes abusive] remarks about Pakistan from the Indian leadership. However our prime minister is willing to go the 'extra mile' to normalize relations with India. http://tribune.com.pk/story/621209/south-asia-tensions-pm-to-go-extra-mile-for-peace-with-india-front-page/
If India is so 'innocent' as it claims to be then why does it not agree to conducting UN inquiry on the LoC incidents. May be it is afraid that the truth will be revealed as it was revealed when Indian Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde had indicated BJP and RSS involvement in the Samjhota Express Case.
It is easy to point fingers at Pakistan especially to gain votes during the election time.
wt u expect pm...they are pathological liars...i think its way of saying gudbye frm mr kayani...
@Sami: US President did that during the meeting with your PM.
@Concerned: "Whereas Pakistan has always talked about maintaining peace be it after infiltration on the LoC or after the incident of the Gayari sector. "
Pakistan army has never claimed that India has infiltrated across the LoC. IT is India that has complained. Naturally it is the victim who will complain not the aggressor. As far as Gayari sector - not sure what you are talking about - your soldiers died in a natural disaster. Very unfortunate indeed but no one claimed that India was involved in any way. On the other hand, 5 Indian soldiers were ambushed and killed in August, in January our soldiers were beheaded. You will notice that statements from India come only when an actual incident happens. In Pakistan the hate mongering has no connection to actual actions by India. For example India is accused of stealing Pakistani water on talk shows. Yet your own people say that these accusations are lies. http://tribune.com.pk/story/588840/water-warriors/ . Also India wins every case that has been taken to the independent international tribunal. Likewise MFN is something that Pakistan is required to give India as a member of WTO as a condition of membership. Yet India does not complain about Pakistan's non-compliance. Instead most recently it gave a big concession to Pakistan in lieu of MFN status i.e. it waived its objection to Pakistan specific duty waivers by EU. India followed through on its agreement and after taking the benefit, Pakistan failed to honour its commitment. Now instead of showing gratitude to India, it has activated DPC and JuD to drum up opposition to MFN.. These are just some examples of duplicity and hate mongering by Pakistan.
I know that Pakistan keeps claiming that it has been peaceful but actions have not been peaceful and if one goes to Pakistani media the words have not been very peaceful either.
@Concerned: Indian army is infiltrating on the eastern front? Dude - even your army is not saying such rubbish. What Pakistan accuses India of is that India is funding TTP at the same time APC calls TTP " our stakeholders" and urges talks with them which is rather strange. Also if TTP were funded by India, they would attack Dawood Ibrahim, Hafiz Saeed, MasoodAzhar etc. not ordinary Pakistani civilians.
@np:
I wonder why India shows its 'Victim' mentality only when something good happens in Pakistan.
This Rahul Gandhi's comment shouldn't be taken seriously, a man who's 40+ but still calls himself "youth" and talks about mosquitoes troubling him has got some serious issues....PEACE#
@Saeed: He is the only mute in Indian politics, he doesn't talk without permission from madam.
@np:
I completely disagree with the point that the LoC has been lying dormant during past years. Pakistan Army is aware of the threats on its western front and is taking steps to counter it. However, Pakistan Army's engagement on the Western front does not allow other countries to take it as an opportunity to start infiltration and unprovoked firing at the Eastern front. Do you expect Pakistan to remain silent on Indian aggression? In the past few years, all Pakistan has seen is the hype created by Indian media, aggressive statements issued by Indian civil and military leadership. Whereas Pakistan has always talked about maintaining peace be it after infiltration on the LoC or after the incident of the Gayari sector. Pakistan has always talked with Indian on equal basis which is unfortunately unacceptable to India.
@Saeed:
Our Elections are over there are just beginning. That's why.
Blame Pakistan/ISI in India and Blame RAW/Mossad in Pakistan always work. It is all politics.
@Concerned: By labelling Indians as trolls, it does not mean people will get intimidated and back off. This has nothing to do with electioneering. The aggression either by state or non-state actors from Pakistan side has been an ongoing issue. Each time Pakistan attacks and claims that India attacked. This happened in 1948, 1965, 1999. Each time it has later been admitted by Pakistan's own generals that Pakistan started the war. On top of that there is also the issue of funding and arming of jihadis to create terror in Kashmir once the Afghan war with Soviets was over. Even that was denied then but is admitted now.
Even on drones your government lied to you. Supporting drone attacks while claiming that they oppose it. It has lied to you about India's so called aggression in the past (which has now been acknowledged) and continues to do so.
I am surprised that Pakistani awaam does not question the policy of heating up a relatively dormant LoC on the eastern front at a time when it is under severe attack from TTP on the Western front. Do you expect your aggression will be unanswered? Such a pity that peace which is won after years of talk is discarded by Nawaz so easily. Difference is no one is likely to be fooled by his peaceful talk and aggressive actions. So the opportunity for another Kargill will be denied to you.
@rahul: " ... Two-three days back, an IB officer came to me. He said several victims of Muzaffarnagar riots now wanted to go to Pakistan and so he was tracking them. ... "
I hope that the "victims" make good their threat of going to Pakistan.
@Saleem: How many times have you seen the Pakistan Army chief talking about waging war with India? It is always the Indian army chief who keeps issuing cheap remarks. Don't expect Pakistan Army to remain silent if Indians continue their "blaming paranoia."
ET please publish.
Indians when in power blame JuD, LeT, RAW, etc. etc. When they are convessing for power blame ISI. One wonders if they would also like to blame Pakistan for every politician born in India.
@Saeed: Perpetrators are always mute. It is the victim that makes the noise.
Firstly, why have the two disparate reports been joined together? What MMS says is as our PM. It has no connection with Rahul Gandhi who does not hold any governmental position and the matter seems to have been inserted only to trivialize the import of what our PM has said.
As far as what Rahul said: “There were riots in Muzaffarnagar. I met Hindus, Muslims and a journalist’s family who was killed. When his little daughter narrated the riots, I was reminded of my grandmother’s death,” said Rahul.
He forgot to add that after his grandmother's death, it was his own party which started the pogrom against Sikhs. Justifying the massacre of Sikhs, his own father said "When a giant tree falls, the earth below shakes". Rahul may not remember any of this, but Indians do.
Very disappointed with the immaturity and low level, pathetic communal politics of Rahul Gandhi. He should unite people instead of indulging in such degenerate behaviour. He is an idiot if he thinks he is going to win elections by talking like this especially when Narendra Modi is talking about building toilets and improving economy.
Both hindu and muslim politicians have been found to have whipped up communal frenzy... Selectively targeting one party takes him nowhere.
Of course pakistani "intelligence" agencies are involved. The same pakistani "intelligence" agencies are involved in sectarian and ethnic conflicts inside Pakistan which we read about from pakistanis themselves .But it is still our job not to yield to their machinations,and maintain harmony and peace.
Peace does not suit the interests of Pakistan army or ISI. With peace between two neighbours there will be no need for huge army and astronomical defense expenditure. Of course the army top brass does not like this.
nuke is the only solution from indian side no other option for pakistan.leave the balochistan and fire rest of the pakistan.
secular party congress accusing it so pakistan must agree with congress. there may be confusion/disagree if BJP do the same. akbal patil come on now.
Election in India must be near !!... They forgot to blame Hafiz Saeed and name ISI... guyz dont go off script .... !!
Please don't get disappointed sir ,Just VOTE4MODI this time
This is nothing but India's way of doing propaganda after Prime Minister Sharif's meeting with President Obama. India's desperate attempt to highlight its so-called importance.
I am waiting for Indian trolls.
See how vocal their PM is about these incidents and how mute our PM is.
Oh come on. Get your elections finished and then we will see what the new govt say.