Nevertheless, it is difficult discussing Partition and the subsequent plight of the Muslims in India without mentioning Maulana Abul Kalam Azad and his remarkable book India Wins Freedom — both, the expurgated edition where the deletion of certain pages was allegedly carried out on the orders of Pandit Nehru, and the unexpurgated edition. The thrust of this politician, who served as president of the Indian National Congress, was that before Partition, the Muslims of India were outnumbered by the Hindus by four to one, and after Partition the ratio would change to eight to one. One of the commentators did comment, however, that while Maulana Azad was not particularly popular, he was still a great visionary, whereas while MA Jinnah was hugely popular, he was nevertheless a poor visionary.
I avoided mentioning this remarkable thinker because though there is still a number of persons in this country who believe that Partition was a mistake, the point is Pakistan was created, for better or worse, and has managed to exist for 66 years, in spite of having had a litany of misfortune and thwarted good intentions. Besides, it’s the only country we have and can call home. I don’t want to go into the genesis of the move for Partition, the roles played by Pandit Nehru and Vallabhbhai Patel, and how they ganged up against Mr Jinnah. Nor do I want to go into the pressure exerted by the Americans on the British to relinquish their hold on India. The theory behind the move was that the Americans had already foreseen the East-West polarisation that was taking place in the world and saw the British Indian Army, which was relatively intact, as some kind of irritant.
However, the general feedback that I get from conversations with Pakistani visitors to various Indian cities, and the perusal of letters in the Indian press, suggest that Indians, by and large, hate Pakistanis much more than the other way around. In fact, whenever this distasteful topic crops up in a gathering in Karachi, both at the academic as well as the frivolous level, where India is exclusively represented by shopping in Jaipur and Jodhpur, I have personally never heard anybody express anything other than admiration for what that country has been able to achieve since independence. We were doing all right until 1969 — and then, we had a string of the worst kind of leadership, all pomp bereft of circumstance, headed first by a megalomaniac who destroyed the industrial structure of the country and his successor, who indulged in a military adventure from which the nation has never recovered. It’s a pity the two subcontinental neighbours are still at loggerheads, even though they share a common history, language, cuisine and culture. At least, a Pakistani visitor to India is not treated like a second class citizen as he is in parts of the Gulf and Europe. One can only hope that relations between the two neighbours are soon normalised.
Published in The Express Tribune, August 25th, 2013.
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Majority of people on both sides of the border are happy with partition
This is one issue on which both nations fully agree
@Np: Yes there may be factual errors and yes there are internal inconsistencies but when you read a piece like this you must be able to see what is being offered in the write up. Let us for a moment view your contention that all wrongs emenate from Pakistan...........now sit back sip a tall glass of your favourite drink and think cooly and rationally if that makes sense. If you still think it does, then there's a lot more work needed to be done.....and Cheers. Sir / Madam my response was delayed because yesterday my comments were not getting through........ I immediately blamed the easiest entity because like you I too am human.
@aamir riaz: " ... One nation theory were two pitfalls and even after independence we south asians r still following both policies of our old common master. even today, this is the only solution. ... "
Isn't this another convenient myth that is propagated in Pakistan - that "south asians" are following the policies of ex-colonial masters ?
@aqib:
"Islam as a faith is not confined to inside a house. it is a complete way of life. whether you are or aren’t a muslim, makes a huge difference."
In other-words, you are confirming the worldview that Muslims can't live with non-Muslims anywhere?
@Secular Pakistan: @The Rational: Only if Pakistan had more people like you.
@Not Hairaan; Faith is one the main driving forces behind an identity, but there are others as well. @sm; why do we have to follow the principle of the west, where church and state are separate?Can't we see as to how things were balanced in the past-(till the 18th century)
@aqib: That is where the fundamental difference lies: Muslim majority countries cannot have a separation between Mosque and State. Then how will you stop the Mosque from running the State?
Mr Mooraj is right how close fellow neighbors read us and comments shows how much peace lover they are???
@Parvez: Really? There are factual errors - please read what @Rakib has wRitten, there are internal inconsistencies - pls. read comments by @gp65 . Also certainly there is a very different way of interpreting what happened than the way the author has. Do read the comments.
the main issue was One nation theory. one could visualize Subcontinent or South Asia as Europe or American federation yet it was not in the interest of colonial masters. Congress failed to differentiate that fine difference.even in allahbad adress, Iqbal courageously advocated acceptance of religious, ethnic and linguistic diversity and criticized One Nation theory. The visionary Mollana ubaid ullah sindhi too in 1939, told congress to reject One nation theory. centralism and One nation theory were two pitfalls and even after independence we south asians r still following both policies of our old common master. even today, this is the only solution.
the main issue was One nation theory. one could visualize Subcontinent or South Asia as Europe or American federation yet it was not in the interest of colonial masters. Congress failed to differentiate that fine difference.even in allahbad adress, Iqbal courageously advocated acceptance of religious, ethnic and linguistic diversity and criticized One Nation theory. The visionary Mollana ubaid ullah sindhi too in 1939, told congress to reject One nation theory. centralism and One nation theory were two pitfalls and even after independence we south asians r still following both policies of our old common master.
Since the author has personally never heard anyone say anything negative about India within Pakistan, I recommend the following - do listen to Zaid Hamid - do read articles by Shirin Mazari - do read the newspaper 'tha Nation' and it's Urdu counterpart both very widely read on Pakistan - do listen to Oriya Maqbool Jaan - do listen yo speeches by hafiz Saeed
If I as an Indian am able to quote so many sources, living in India which contradict the picture of bonhomie projected by the author, there could be 2 reasons - the author lives in a bubble - the author is lying and assuming people will believe him, unaware that in age of Internet, people outside India do have access to your newspapers and TV channels.
Also since it is Imdians that hold hatred and Pakistanis that have goodwill, coil the author explain why - all 4 Indoa Pakistan wars were started by Pakistan - why jihadis were sent starting 1989 to India - why 10 people got on a boat from Karachi and killed 166 Indians? - why did Bhutto ask for a 1000 ears war?
@Rakib: I must have read the wrong documents concerning the expunging of the 20 pages. Sorry
@aqib: If Muslims were one nation, why did East Pakistan want separation?
The penny has just started dropping after 67 years .... I wonder when will we hear that "TINGGGGG" sound .... may be in 3013 ??????
@Rashid we love malabar restaurants in karachi for there nice food and there are no problem in cuisine.... @Anwer Mooraj sahib, sorry for word GRUMPY i used last time.
Having read the previous article by the author, I sense a defensive posture as a result of attacking comments from the Indian readers. On one hand the author should be glad that his work is being read and responded to more so by the Indian readers as against his fellow Pakistani readers. It only implies that the author can continue to influence the Indian readers and convert the so called "hatred or animosity" into friendly overtures.
It is not the independence "from" but the independence "within" that we in Pakistan should be focusing. India has achieved both and we are still not able to have our men, women, and children have access the basic tenets of freedom. We can name names of our leaders who did what they believed in and now today we are not able to reach out to the rest of the world, let alone our neighbors in the east, since we have not figured out how to provide the basic everyday needs of our own population.
I heard our PM's speech to the country (with great disappointment) where he narrated all the problems that we are up against. So what have we done with our share of Independence?
Good article author, we all need peace because contrary to what everyone says, each generation is getting more dumber in history and politics than the previous one. I will not be surprised if a kid in the year 2080 says loc is a nice ice candy and pok is a vanilla ice cream. Lol. The world is watching us just as neighbours watch us in our locality and make opinions. It is simple plain human psychology. Have a pleasant evening everyone , cheerio, rab rakha
"...they share a common history, language, cuisine and culture." It is true for only Pakistan and North India. Our East India shares the same with Bangladesh. Our South India shares it with Sri Lanka and almost the whole of South East Asia. We have lot more in common with Afghanistan than with Pakistan. We share bulk of our value system with the Western World. So, what does this rather not-wholly-accurate statement from the author mean? India is a universe in itself and Pakistan happens to be just a little tiny part of that universe.
"However, the general feedback that I get from conversations with Pakistani visitors to various Indian cities, and the perusal of letters in the Indian press, suggest that Indians, by and large, hate Pakistanis much more than the other way around”.
Let’s see why, shall we?
Creating endless trouble in Kashmir by pushing in terrorists Making Kashmiri Pandits refugees in their own country Supporting and sheltering those who have committed crimes against Indian people (Dawood) Supporting and sheltering Hijackers Attack on the Parliament by ISI supported terrorists Mumbai carnage Refusal/inability to prosecute those who committed crimes against India from PakistanThese are few things I can think of on top of my head. I am sure, if spend a bit more than 10 minutes, I will be able to fill up few pages.
Now you expect Indians to love Pakistani’s and welcome them to their homes and wash and dry their feet.
It’s a pity the two subcontinental neighbours are still at loggerheads, even though they share a common history, language, cuisine and culture.
Thanks for admitting that we share a common culture, language, cuisine and history, but it is just a small fraction of people which believe in this.....Otherwise, vast majority of people from other side never acknowledged this fact and still considers Indian culture as an "invasion" to Pakistani culture which I am still confused what exactly it is....?
"As far as Indians hating Pakistan is concerned, it started only after 2008 Mumbai attacks. " The Chinese are feared but respected for their immense achievements. The Pakistani succeeds in creating contempt and revulsion felt for a untermensch. The author comes a microscopic educated elite trained in rational analysis. But when you meet you the typical Pakistani especially a Punjabi or Pahstun you realise this country is trapped in emotionalism and delusional thinking. Before any mentions I am not an Indian.
@Indian: My comment too about the realities of Pakistanis in Dubai compared to Indians was also not published. If Tribune wants to know the facts then it should publish factual comments to get a clearer picture of the state of Pakistan. They should stop living in a make-believe world of bliss, milk and honey. Pakistan is a failed state and so is the TWO-NATION THEORY.
Sorry to say my comment which I took out lot of time to write wasn't published by the moderator. :(
in undivided india muslims were at least 26% in my maths that would make 3 hindus to 1 muslim. the british east africa was split into uganda, tanzania, kenya without any problems.
" I have personally never heard anybody express anything other than admiration for what that country has been able to achieve since independence." Thanks sir for the complement . The view about Pakistan from the Indian side is quite different you wanted a separate country you got it please be happy and prosper in it . Pakistan has not lived upto anywhere near its potential and in the bargain pulled down your neighbors . You look for strategic depth in Afghanistan , in India you want to champion the cause of Indian Muslims, if you were so concerned about why did you not take them with you. In short you are not satisfied with your primary role of managing your own country. Please live and let live.
Most secular part of Pakistan is Sindh which is the last fortress of Secularism which Taliban(militant conservatist) wants to penetrate and conquer.
To solve many problems of Pakistan only solution is "Secularism". One medicine of Secularism solves 100's of diseases which Pakistan faces today.
For me as an Indian I can accept Pakistan becoming independent country but I cannot accept it becoming a "Theocracy" which is against "Secularism" Pakistan has had these three following forms of theocracy
Theocratic democracy(as its now "Islamic Republic of Pakistan") as is with PLM(N) and other religious parties(JUF) Theocratic autocracy(Caliphate) as it was with Zia ul Haq and other theocratic dictators or kings as in Saudi Arabia. Chaotic theocracy as with the Taliban in Waziristan.In all the above three cases there is discrimination against minorities(religious, sectarian ethnic and gender) in the name of religion. sometimes I accept this discrimination too by understanding that may be it was the will of the lord and this is what he wanted for Pakistan and its minorities. I hope Pakistan gets a "Secular Socialistic corruption free" government to rule, where there is equality between religion, class, sect, ethnicity and gender. Unfortunately Pakistan's Secular parties such as PPP are corrupt and inefficient and they aren't truly secular as their history shows and hence Pakistan's future as a Theocratic democracy or Theocratic Autocracy will continues for many years to come.
Whatever Pakistan stands for is anathema to every Indian because it negates everything India stood for since millenia. Starting right from the Constitution which looks like a lodestone round its neck rather than a document of Law. The decimation of minorities from a land which is so tolerant as to have given the World half of its religions, refuge to people fleeing religious oppression from every corner of the World. The empowerment of religious fanatics, the arming of citizens and using them as cannon fodder, the placing of terrorists as prayer leaders and the poisoning of young impressionable minds in homes and schools. Why is the World calling Pakistan an International migraine ? Does it have anything to do with Pakistan playing the role of spoiler, rather than having to contribute anything positive, in any field. Does it have anything to do with the trafficking of Nuclear Weapons or the propensity to blackmail by threatening to shoot itself, if not indulged. Does it have to do with giving refuge and passports to terrorists and criminals fleeing the law in their own countries ? Does it have anything to do with lies and duplicity, with a very straight face --- no OBL, no Zawahri, no Dawood Ibrahim, no Afghan Taliban in Pakistan etc. The latest bloomer is "we want Peace in Afghanistan" while sheltering the Taliban which crosses the border and causes mindless violence there. Insanity obviously does not have any boundaries or limits, nor does it respect education levels or literacy.
The author has done us a huge favour by writing this piece. Thank you Sir!
I am one of those millions who suffered the most because of Partition in 1947. I have been a witness to what ever has happened to both India and Pakistan, and also to East Pakistan/Bangladesh since those fateful days. Like most people in my position, I too have personal first-hand knowledge of what transpired. My views have been getting corrected and polished over time by constant study and observation. I do not like to air my views on blogs such as this one mainly because there is no dearth of people all over the sub-continent who would treat them as just another chance to spew venom. But this piece has prodded me to write something about the matter. I shall restrict myself to only the gist of my views in just one following sentence for whatever it is worth.
The history of the Indian Sub-continent would have been very different and less painful for all, if Pakistan had chosen not to send its forces to Kashmir to forcibly occupy it, without waiting for Raja Hari Singh to decide the question of accession in his own time.
The author has done us a huge favour by writing this piece. Thank you Sir!
I am one of those millions who suffered the most because of Partition in 1947. I have been a witness to what ever has happened to both India and Pakistan, and also to East Pakistan/Bangladesh since those fateful days. Like most people in my position, I too have personal first-hand knowledge of what transpired. My views have been getting corrected and polished over time by constant study and observation. I do not like to air my views on blogs such as this one mainly because there is no dearth of people all over the sub-continent who would treat them as just another chance to spew venom. But this piece has prodded me to write something about the matter. I shall restrict myself to only the gist of my views in just one following sentence.
The history of the Indian Sub-continent would have been very different and less painful for all, if Pakistan had chosen not to send its forces to Kashmir to forcibly occupy it, without waiting for Raja Hari Singh to decide the question of accession in his own time.
"....Maulana Abul Kalam Azad and his remarkable book India Wins Freedom — both, the expurgated edition where the deletion of certain pages was allegedly carried out on the orders of Pandit Nehru, and the unexpurgated edition..." (Author)
To set the record straight:- Nothing was ever deleted or expurgated at Nehru's orders from the book of which the co-author was the Maulana's companion, secretary & friend,Humayun Kabir.. Azad spoke in Urdu to Kabir & the latter took notes & then composed the book in English over two years. Kabir was not a mere translator though.. There were 30 pages of the book, which dealt with personalised character assessment of many that were either living or fresh in memory. Maulana himself desired that those pages be published after decades. Book was completed by end-1957 Azad died in February 1958 & book was published immediately thereafter. The 30-pages were to remain in limbo till Feb 1988. Accordingly, Prof Kabir contacted National Archives, New Delhi and the National Library, Calcutta where a copy each of the manuscript including 30-pages were kept in sealed covers for 30 years, that is, till 22nd February, 1988. Agreement was made with publishers Orient Longman to publish the rest of the book. Written permission for this was also obtained from the heirs, his sister Fatima Begum & nephew Nooruddin Ahmed. Nothing sinister about it. Over next 30 years most of the actors in the drama including Humayun Kabir were dead. And overcoming objections of Azad's descendant Najma Heptullah (now with BJP) Delhi high court permitted breaking of seals of the covers lying with Archives & permitted publication of full version. Nothing sensational either.
@Author.
The seed of your problem was sown when you put religious supremacy over everything else. That what has come about is the natural culmination of that thought. We see an Indian as an Indian first and caste and religion are secondary. We are as concerned about the muslims that were killed in 26/11 as hindus. They were our countrymen who were killed by brainwashed religious drones from across the border.
You need to remove the glasses of religion instead of counting how many hindus to muslims or how many shias to sunnis. If you continue to go down this path one day even barelvi sunnis will be bombing the deobandhi sunnis. This path has no end and will keep dividing people in your country. You need to stop looking at the past and look to the future. Rather than debate whether Partition was a good thing or not or whether the two nation theory was right or wrong we need to Realise that Pakistan is now a reality and you need to look forward and identify and solve the issues like terrorism that prevent you from moving forward.
Pakistan was created on the basis of religion but now religion is becoming the reason for its instability
You write - "mentioning Maulana Abul Kalam Azad and his remarkable book India Wins Freedom — both, the expurgated edition where the deletion of certain pages was allegedly carried out on the orders of Pandit Nehru, and the unexpurgated edition."
Where did Nehru come from - I expect a man of your background to be better informed and less prejudiced. Azad himself wanted those pages kept back from publication for a certain amount of time.
The you write: "genesis of the move for Partition, the roles played by Pandit Nehru and Vallabhbhai Patel, and how they ganged up against Mr Jinnah"
Ganged up?
That is why I find it amusing when Pakistani talk shows constantly congratulate their media and leaders for showing restraint - at the same time the language used for Indians and Hindus (used interchangeably) is far from restrained - Barring the likes of Raza Rumi, most of your anchors including the likes of Moeed Pirzada believe the LOC fracas is part of an Indian American plot to destabilize Pakistan. Others believe India suffers from some inferiority complex and lastly it is all about the coming elections in India. There is no mention of cross border terrorism that is at the root of this LOC fracas and I don't believe the Tunda factor has been discussed at all in Pakistan.
Pakistan should stop thinking about India one way or the other.If peace has to happen then both India and Pakistan will have to deire it equally. Until then let us carry on.
" It’s a pity the two subcontinental neighbours are still at loggerheads, even though they share a common history, language, cuisine and culture. At least, a Pakistani visitor to India is not treated like a second class citizen as he is in parts of the Gulf and Europe. One can only hope that relations between the two neighbours are soon normalised."
"----they share a common history, language, cuisine and culture.--" Yes , in a family feud, the opponents are at violent loggerheads; they may share many things. Self-intersest comes first.
"---- a Pakistani visitor to India is not treated like a second class citizen as he is in parts of the Gulf and Europe.---" Wrong , totally wrong >>>>> in the GULF we all are 4th rate visitors ( not citizens).
"---hope that relations between the two neighbours are soon normalised." What a hope ? !!! As a matter of fact , the relationship between our two nations are very much NORMAL. By "normal" one means this absurd love-hate affair of the past 67 years
Indians always like to point out that we are all the same. nothing can be father from truth. Islam as a faith is not confined to inside a house. it is a complete way of life. whether you are or aren't a muslim, makes a huge difference.
Sir, As I have mentioned many times over in my comments on similar topics, root cause of all problems is Two Nation Theory which was out rightly rejected by Maulana Abul Kalam Azad and all other right thinking people. As far as Indians hating Pakistan is concerned, it started only after 2008 Mumbai attacks. This hate is mainly against the Jihadis and their backers and not the general public. Indians and Pakistanis make one of the best friends while outside their countries. We all want to interact with each other as much as possible, but for hostile establishment policies. In my view the core issue is not Kashmir or water or Siachen, but Two nation Theory. We love Pakistani singers as much as you love Indian ones. We will like to walk through the streets of Lahore and Peshawar as much as you through Delhi and Lucknow. Problems can be solved only when we admit them honestly and openly. Like your forefathers are buried in India, our forefathers too were cremated in Pakistan and even in Afghanistan.
There is so much truth and sense in what you have written that to force a critical comment for the sake of commenting would be absurd.
The article conveys the reason why partition happened. Well in to the 21st century, the erudite and learned gentleman who penned this article still thinks and evaluates in terms of religious identity rather than national identity or cultural identity. The national identity that he does bring up is based on the following map, which can hardly be termed secular:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MAPOFRAHMATPLAN.jpg
I think the only way forward is to make borders irrelevant and adopt the European model. Unfortunately, there are many parties with vested interests that will not allow it to happen, including countries that sell weapons to both sides and see their profits plummeting whenever there is mention of peace.
"We were doing all right until 1969" The foundations of Dhaka fall were laid between 1948-69