Pakistan Navy is the first force in Indian Ocean Region to have submarines equipped with air-independent propulsion. PHOTO: SXC.HU
The operational problems with the Indian Navy aggregated after INS Sindhurakshak sank at its berth in Mumbai Naval Dock after a series of explosions on August 14 killing 18 navy personnel.
"Extensive checks on weapon-related safety systems and audit of standard operating procedures (SOPs) on all operational submarines have been ordered,'' said defense minister AK Antony
The minister did not comment on the prevailing capabilities of india's underwater combat. The Indian Navy is in service with 13 aging diesel-electric submarines only, 11 of which are two decades old. The long awaited submarine construction projects are now being pushed that are delayed due to the political and bureaucratic apathy.
As a result of international treaties, the only nuclear-powered submarine INS Chakra is also not armed with nuclear-tipped, says The Times Of India
On the contrary, Pakistan Navy is the first force in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) to have submarines equipped with air-independent propulsion (AIP) in the shape of three French Agosta-90B vessels.
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@Bakhtiyar Ghazi Khan: Dude as an Indian we don't question your right to exist. It's just that when pakistan starts claiming it's "superiority" to India by claiming people who were born centuries back as reasons for it's superiority, that we start getting annoyed. Truth is Panini is as relevant to India since Sanskrit is the mother language of many north indian languages. Where he was born is relevant since india and pakistan didn't exist in that period. Similarly takshila was in modern pakistan but he's also relevant to indian culture. Pakistanis similarly have a right to feel proud about people and places in India that have influenced her culture.
Pakistan should focus more on improving the quality of life in her own land and reducing terrorism and fundamentalism. Living on past glories alone isn't good enough.
@intel guy: This is exactly what I mean. Obvious from your comments and most of the Hindus who comment here is a deep hatred for Pakistan and Islam. Why can't you just accept our right to exist and our identity based on our ancestors of the Indus River Valley and our long Islamic heritage? How do you expect Pakistanis to take you seriously, when you are violent and aggressive in your demonization of us? You really don't leave any neutral ground for discussion. It is always the same. This is what led to Partition to begin with.
@Prabhjyot Singh Madan..Sorry Sirjee...I made a small mistake in quoting the figure of India's foreign exchange reserve...Foreign Exchange reserve for India stands at $ 276 Billion and not $ 186 Billion as quoted. Comparatively, Pakistan's reserve is less then $ 9 billion now...
@ Bakhtiyar Ghazi Khan ...haaaa....Wet dreams indeed..BTW...What is the official age of your nation the so called 'land of Pure"?..just asking....and why to your Muslim birather mulk Saudis, iranis, and the persians.love Pakistan so much so as to force you to beg from Amrika?...Surely,,they are very rich nations and related to pakistanis since thousands and thousand of years as per your Madarsa history records.?..and why do they never ever give citizenship to the PEACEFULL Pakistani birathers even if they spend the entire life working in the middle east like Donkeys?
@Somi Ali: Good post.
Pakistan's culture is unique and based on the Indus River Valley Civilization. Indians curse us and abuse us, then say we are the same as them. It makes me really sick. Any Pakistani will be sick to his stomache to be compared with India.
We Pakistanis are closer to Afghanistan and Iran, and our culture is Middle Eastern which has strong links with ancient Babylon, Arabia, Persia, and Turkestan, even before Islam. Our languages, music, food, lifestyle, philosophy, and religious mindset is typical of the Eastern Middle East.
The only time we were part of one empire with the Hindus of India was under Mughal Muslim rule and British occupation. Pakistan has been with Afghanistan, and Iran for thousands of years.
@Somi Ali...There is a lot of undeniable commonality between the two countries, which includes the fact that on both the sides there are a whole lot of people who want to live in & propagate peace in the region.We as common citizens, are mistreated by our polotico-defence establishments. Let us all rise to the occasion and contribute to help build the two respective nations. Let us reclaim peace.
In fact, Pakistan is much stronger than India in almost all fields,
Culture: The culture of Pakistan starts from the great Indus Valley Civilization, during the height of this civilization India was mostly forest having some tribal. This civilization was the basis of the so called "Vedic Civilization". Evidence proves they used standardized weight and measures, invented Yoga, were excellent architects and town planners. They had trade with the most of the then known world.
Language: "Panini" was born in present day Pakistan. India can not claim him. He is one the most innovative grammarian of all times. He can be credited to make Sanskrit to be mother language of almost all south Asian ( except Tamil and the associated) languages. The east Asians have taken a lot from Sanskrit. The credit must belong to Pakistan.
Food: One most of tastiest food is found in Pakistan ( and India). The boring and bland of Arab lands, Persia, Central Asia, Europe is way behind. Only in last 700-800 years France and Spain has developed in this field to some extent.
Mathematics: The Pakistanis were the best mathematicians is the world before Islam. The gave the world the decimal system. The Bakshani manuscripts found near Peshawar proves this point. The Persians translated the works and spread them all over the world.
It is time we should reclaim our heritage.
@Prabhjyot Singh Madan...No Madan Saab...I am talking about Pakistan's Foreign reserve...I am aware that India has $ 186 Billion foreign reserve at present...Kindly go through the write-up once again to get hold of the crux of my statement.
@Intel guy: Are you sure india has only 10 billion dollars reserve, last time I read about it, we had 200 billion dollar plus.rab rakha
What's the hula about.....neither country shoud be spending what they are spending on boys toys given a large section of society on both sides of the border doesn't have access to things as simple as clean drinking water what to talk about education, heathcare, etc.
What we need in Pakistan is not fighters, submarines, etc but road from farm to market to ensure not only a reduction is loss of agricultural produce but rather add value by processing the same for local consumption as well as exports.
We is Pakistan and India should be competing with each other on Human Development Index and try to out do each other for the overall good of its people!
@John B: I'm getting a feeling of negative energy and slight sense of burning from you; the force is not strong with this one.
A Good joke indeed, TOI somehow will continue to provide the World with lot of RAW noise in the name of defence and security failure. and the terrible state the defence is in wrt India & Pakistan...But its is either not well researched or a trap to project India as a sitting duck for Pakistan to fall. Or is it just the half truth?...For ex..India plans to induct 3 new home made 6000 ton SSBN nuclear subs.INS Arihant is due to step into sea by Nov while INS aridaman is due for launch anytime by Jan 2014.The 3rd is due in 2016..By 2021, all 3 with additional 3 leased followed by 6 newly build Scorpene subs will join Indian Navy taking its number from 14 to 26 Even if 5 subs by any standard, considered Old are given a retirement,the Indian navy will be much more better state compared to Pakistan with precariously Outdated Agosta B subs due for retirement with no new joining expected soon. An RFP for 6 new AIP enabled submarines has also been issued. These 6 submarines are due to join by 2025 to replace and add to existing Indian sub fleet. Even if the 30 year old Sindhrakshak (on a life extension having crossed it age) is drowned, Indian navy will not take things lying under the bed for ever. Not so soon....Pakistan Do.t Fall into The HONEYTRAP.of TOI, This piece of news is not intended for a country with $ 10 billion foreign reserve at its kitty..
We can consider sitting down with Pakistan when it decides to control its Pet terrorists
@kumar You hit the nail right on the head. Lets hope majority of people on both sides of the border understands that & pushes their governments to do the right thing. Peace !!
The report aptly hides the fact that it is not the Indian conventional submarines which pose most threat to Pakistan, in fact it is Indian nuclear submarine force which is matter of concern.
Report doesnt discuss that and looks like it is a feeder to the people to justify more budget for the defenses.
Not proud. Let's work on feeding our population and providing basic amenities for everyone before developing a world class army. This fear of India/Pakistan is what has kept both countries away from full-fledged development for many years.
I'm not surprised, India buys most of their weapons from Russia and Israel, and everybody knows that's Russian jets and submarines are some of the worst, and as far as Israeli weapons are concerned, you just have to look at Georgia, they had Israeli weapons but despite that they were decimated by the Russians in a matter of a few days.
indian newspapers are publishing paid news. weapon merchants control them now and govt also like them............same with pakistan.........when there is peace between india and pakistan who will buy weapons and ships..........
Picture looks like the WW2 submarine sitting on San Francisco's fisherman's war - if that's a "high tech" Pakistani submarine then I doubt India has much to fear.
@John B, Take a break, dude. You took it to the heart too much. We get it , we get it .... A strong, stable, peaceful nation like India who is performing excellently on all human development indices with impeccable record on human rights needs a strong & powerful navy & it is contemptuous to even draw any parallel with Pakistan navy. We get it. Now, relax and have your favorite beverage, Kool aid may be !!!
Its time pakistan starts watching arnab goswami on youtube to make ur doubt clear or watch Bilatakalluf with tahir gora......I beleive many pakistani will appreciate the truth..which is unknown to them...
Both countries should sit together and start building schools, centre of excellence, and making lives of their citizens same as first world countries. No ifs and buts!
Sweet, Pak Navy for life!
I was expecting this kind of bravado news article from immature intern at the news desk to fill the column space after India launched her new aircraft carrier.
"Which report says PAK underwater force stronger than India"- or is it the opinion of web desk intern.
All said and done, PAK is not a naval nation, never has been and never will be. Let us leave it at that. How many merchant vessels, let alone naval vessels, from PAK leave PAK for far off land? How many ports, ancient or modern, fishery or naval, are there in PAK. How many dry docks and how many ........
The article is as dismissive as saying India underwater force stronger than the US or Russia.
In case people do not know: the seas are divided by select nations of the world, for good or bad, and India and China have their regions, as Russia, USA, and UK, and France have. PAK is not one of those who control the high seas.
Get the world history straight to make a meaningful reporting.
How is this even a newsworthy item?
Good Joke ET...Times of India is a Propoganda newspaper...which is run in favour of govt....Govt need more funds for defence...India's defence budget is 42 billion and pakistan is meagre 6 billion...Indian defence budget increase every year is more than whole pakistan defence budget and there defence budget overall is more than total pakistan budget by around 15 billion...although its a good joke to make us proud but this wont do..our focus should be on education of science/mathametics and not the army...
This is nothing more than scare mongering by the Indian military lobby, in order to secure more money for an already unjusitfiably large military budget. Pakistan's submarine force has been shrinking over the years, with the retirement of four Daphne class submarines few years ago. The introduction of a nuclear submarine in the region is a dangerously provocative escalation of military capability by India, which Pakikstan has no choice but to counter in an attempt to restore some semblance of balance in the lopsided military advantage of the Indian navy.
Pakistans Underwater Force stronger than India ... is what the report says... What Pakistan Navy says is more important ..