The hard reality, however, was endorsed by the action of the BSF on July 17 and 18, and this is that the chasm between the population and the forces had always existed. Otherwise, there was no need for the BSF to conduct late-night searches in that area — and that, too, without the police — and enter into an altercation with the imam of the local mosque. The stories coming out of the affected area are heartbreaking. The political science professor who was killed was among those who were trying to negotiate with the agitating crowd but even he was not spared. To make matters worse, the BSF spokesman justified the killings saying that the troops fired in self-defence when the mob was trying to loot the ammunition. Instead, the crowd was simply registering a protest against the sacrilege and the treatment meted out to the imam. The way the BSF behaved forced even the Jammu and Kashmir cabinet to put on record its condemnation, the first time in the history of Kashmir’s 22-year-old conflict.
The Ramban killings are but a reminder that Kashmir is always on the boil. Only a few weeks ago, the Indian Army killed two civilians in Bandipore and the whole of Kashmir erupted. While on the one hand the government has been making claims that normalcy was returning to Kashmir and tourism was thriving, on the other these kinds of incidents happen.
Kashmir has been craving peace, especially since over a three-year period, from 2008 to 2010, over 200 lives were lost. The years 2011 and 2012 were seen as years of ‘peace’ and by now the consolidation process should have been set in motion. But that has not happened, thanks to the heavy-handedness of the security forces. The answer, perhaps, lies between the powers the forces enjoy under the Armed Forces Special Powers Act and a complete lack of accountability for their actions. There are scores of examples of men from the armed forces going scot-free for the crimes they have committed. The helplessness of the civilian government headed by Chief Minister Omar Abdullah also speaks volumes of how the security forces function in the state. Every time such an incident takes place, all that the chief minister can do is order a routine probe and repeat “unacceptable”.
Such a situation also brings to the fore the reality that a vacuum exists on the ground. This is of political engagement. With these incidents getting repeated every other month, the space for a peace constituency is shrinking. There is no political engagement with those who challenge the Indian rule in Kashmir. On the one hand, Delhi boasts about having a “popularly elected government” in Srinagar and on the other, it has been rendered powerless. This is obviously opening up space for those who are against the peace. Everything seems to be going back to square one and this time, it is not something that is fuelled from across the border but is from within.
In the absence of any political outreach, an average Kashmiri is, distanced from New Delhi. He believes that the Government of India does not want the political problem to be solved and does not care for the people. This sense of alienation is deep-rooted and there is no space that could be carved out for reconciliation immediately. Even Prime Minister Manmohan Singh failed to strike a chord with them when he last visited Kashmir on June 25. His “iron-fist” resolve to deal with the situation became the highlight of the visit, but it was unfortunately, followed by the targeted killing of civilians. It is, indeed, a bad time for Kashmir but Kashmiris are not responsible for this. Delhi must wake up and realise how Kashmir is slipping away towards a more dangerous path.
Published in The Express Tribune, July 23rd, 2013.
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i voted pmln for there contacts with mujahedeens but now they are just acting like liberal parties
@Surya: nawaz sharif family trace there roots to shopian occupied kashmir butts are from jammnus my neigbours in quetta are actually refugees from srinagar (they now live in karachi)
@SM: allama iqbal the founder of pakistan was a son of a kashmiri pundit revert to islam nawaz sharif is also a desendent of kashmiri pundit revert to islam
@Babloo: the dogra did a demographic change in jammu where muslims came from 34 % to 4 % in a few years wasnt it what you are negatting i am proud of the fact that my grand father was involved in the 1947 kashmir freedom movement and all people in my maternal district mirpur live as free people i wish kashmiris on other side grow some spine and confront this barbarity its either a slow or painful death or aa honourable death for liberation struggle my heart cries when i see so many refugees from iok telling about there loved ones been killed
@Babloo: the dogra did a demographic change in jammu where muslims came from 34 % to 4 % in a few years wasnt it what you are negatting i am proud of the fact that my grand father was involved in the 1947 kashmir freedom movement and all people in my maternal district mirpur live as free people i wish kashmiris on other side grow some spine and confront this barbarity its either a slow or painful death or aa honourable death for liberation struggle my heart cries when i see so many refugees from iok telling about there loved ones been killed
@watterbottle When I said how many cities are there in the world with armies in the cities,....it means implicitly that the percentage of those is in decimal percantages ie., <1%. Also you giving Colombo, which does not have military out of the barracks as of now.(we are in 2013) You are saying situation does not call for military, Then I think you are totally unaware that there are still heavily armed terrorist coming in whom the police cannot hadle. Definitely you are not aware on this situation.
BSF acts and Pak army acts are different because. Here BSF acts are an abbaration, only incidents here and there, which ofcourse is punished, not supported by others. This is not Genocidal. Pak Army acts of 1971 were proven Genocidal and of majority scale across the army. This is proven by many many reports. So AGAIN NO WAY YOU CAN COMPARE.
Every body knows that the longer the army is there in the cities the longer it takes to solve the issue, do you think Indian Govt. or Indians do not know it, we are not so naive. Put the solution does not lie on only one side, also the policy of non-violence of Ghandhi cannot win the situation because this is not situation of dealing with Gentlemen, it is situation of dealing with brainwashed Fundamentalists, who think freedom flows from the barrel of the gun.
So, again you are pretty much wrong in most of it
@Strategic Asset: "You are preaching to the choir, mate." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ the correct phrase is "You are preaching to the converted, mate.
@Bewildered:
"For a true disciple of Chankya and ‘Akashvani’, @liesbetold is closer to reality"
Very cute. Now, counter my post with facts. I gave facts and you come back with vacuous one liner. Perhaps you are 'Bewildered' by the truth?
@`polpot: In Abbottabad a couple of Foreign and Pakistani nationals were killed. In Kargil several hundred Paksiatni soldiers were killed entirely due to callousness of the Pakistani Army Seniors. A famous Abbottabad Commission was formed. Yet no Kargil Commission? Why ? Welcome your views . . You are preaching to the choir, mate. I have no clue. . BTW: I forgot to put Lala Jee's comment in italics in my comment that you referenced.
@Babloo: Blaming the murdered. Some benchmarks you have. Please take the secular dogma somewhere else, this is about Secular India murdering occupied Muslim civilians. No need to put a spin on it.
Is it not about time that the Indian Govt, takes out its expeditionary sikh force out of the beautiful land of the beautiful Kashmiris and should instead send them to the African jungles as part of the UNO missions in Africa, for which Indian Govt. could even charge a reasonable fee.
Rex Minor
@kaalchakra: That is the worst form of communalism I have ever heard. Why do you non-Muslims consider yourselves a part of India or want to live in India and not in Pakistan, along with all other real Kashmiris. That is because you are communalists and religious bigots. Plain and simple. . When you formed an entire country on the basis of religion (the basis for communalism) and where minorities (Hindus, Shias, Ahmadis, Christians) are ill-treated and killed on a daily basis, I do not think you have any right to pontificate to Hindus and Buddhists in Kashmir and urge them to be secular.
A cleric was just attacked and his toddlers killed in Kashmir, by unknown assailants ( Read militants).
Curfew imposed in parts of Kashmir due to sectarian voilence.
So in holy month of Ramazan, in addition to high handednesss of indian forces, lot of other people are pursuing their agendas.
We hope to hear bandh calls and street protests.
@kaalchakra: ROFL, so the Kashmir movement is based on economical factors?? you dont cease to amaze us with your ill conceived thories..You need to get back to basics on what is the justification for Kashmir demand...Based on your theory Hindus and Buddhists must be supporting this cause but they don't..
@kaalchakra: ROFL, so the Kashmir movement is based on economical factors?? you dont cease to amaze us with your ill conceived thories..You need to get back to basics on what is the justification for Kashmir demand...by your theory, even Hindus and Buddhists must be supporting this cause but they don't..
@Rana Usman: Of course you guys know this method, having perfected by you guys in Balochistan for the past 65 years.
@antanu: For once, stop pretending to be an Indian when you clearly are not..
@truthbetold:
"As for AJK and GB, the area has been demographically changed by settling Punjabis there. Any voice of independence in these areas have been suppressed by the Pakistani intelligence by killing them and brutalizing the local population."
For a true disciple of Chankya and 'Akashvani', @liesbetold is closer to reality.
Kashmir issue is never going to resolve thru peaceful means,talks and negotiations with India because India is never ready to recognize Kashmir as a disputed territory and as usual declaring it its integral part but falsely and India shall never free Kashmir from its illegal,unlawful and forceful occupation.So if you have any other options to free Kashmir then adopt them other wise never imagine that Kashmir will be a separate state.
"Sad day for a region living under military oppression… come compare Azad Kashmir with Jammu & Kashmir… you’ll know the difference =)"
How about comparing Balochistan with J&K? As for AJK and GB, the area has been demographically changed by settling Punjabis there. Any voice of independence in these areas have been suppressed by the Pakistani intelligence by killing them and brutalizing the local population. Read:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x108sozpak-agencies-behind-the-killing-of-arif-shahid-knpnews#.Ue89xazlcyY
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpq2bekashmiri-women-protest-pakistan-s-oppressive-rule-in-poknews#.Ue8-G6zlcyY
http://www.balawaristan.net/
http://www.freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2012/pakistani-kashmir
"/how-india-achieves-peace-in-kashmir" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Sequel: /how-Pakistan-achieves-peace-in-karachi.
@Strategic Asset: "Moreover the Kargil fiasco legitimized the LOC in the eyes of the West which means that Kashmir is a lost cause for Pakistan." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In Abbottabad a couple of Foreign and Pakistani nationals were killed. In Kargil several hundred Paksiatni soldiers were killed entirely due to callousness of the Pakistani Army Seniors. A famous Abbottabad Commission was formed. Yet no Kargil Commission? Why ? Welcome your views .
@TC: "The amount of Indian trolls in this comments section is sickening. When will India realise it is the occupying force" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It seems India is also the occupying force on Pakistani websites! How to eject them?
Antanu, well said. It is sickening that every separatist demand by Muslims is somehow related to religion, when Muslims are only influenced by economic factors and injustices perpetrated upon them by others.
@Babloo: dont be stupid.kashmir has never been a religious but political issues which was handled poorly by our govrnments.i dont know why but every time a problem in muslim areas arises...it is percieved as religious matter.this attitude has alienated kashmiris from us .
Rather than lamenting the death of innocent men in an occupied region, it is surprising how the comments section (hijacked by Indians, as always) is more about theoretical geopolitics than ground realities. I wonder if online Indian newspapers even get so many Indian comments! Sad day for a region living under military oppression... come compare Azad Kashmir with Jammu & Kashmir... you'll know the difference =)
The amount of Indian trolls in this comments section is sickening. When will India realise it is the occupying force, and the only peaceful and long term solution is to do what should have been done in 1947 - Kashmir needs to be a part of Pakistan for there to be peace.
@Lala Gee: Honestly speaking, I am very pleased, rather thankful, of the Indian’s commentators. After reading these comments, no Kashmiri can think of, even in his wildest dreams, to become part of the Indian union. . If Kashmiris do visit ET, they will be more concerned with the bomb blasts, honor killings and sectarian violence in Pakistan occuring on a daily basis. I doubt they would want anything to do with Pakistan. . Unfortunately the non-binding UN resolution only gives them a choice to be a part of India or Pakistan. So no prizes for guessing who they will turn to. . In any case, all this is water under the bridge now due to the Shimla Agreement which replaces previous agreements with a bilateral mechanism and also due to the fact that Pakistan never initiated the measures as per the UN Resolution for implementation of the plebiscite which it was expected to do first. Moreover the Kargil fiasco legitimized the LOC in the eyes of the West which means that Kashmir is a lost cause for Pakistan.
@waleed babar: i think its some thing else ! there is a pressure on indian goverment to with draw forces from kashmir in order tominimize deffence budget , so this all aggitation is backed by the government of india like to have a jawaaz for keeping army in kashmir ! . I can see shades of genius here! Maybe even schizophrenia.
ET s game plan to ensure TRP +++++++++++++++++++++ include a shallow provactive writeup on some aspect of Indo Pak relations and then double the number of moderators. Did the Editor earlier work for the LeT?
This article is full of Indian trolls hate. They cannot tolerate criticism on killing of civilians. India is shining, specially its education system which is quite obvious in the comments!!!
@Surya
" I am a Kashmiri Pandit, and believe we should be a part of the Union. My whole community believes the same! What do you have to say to that?"
That is the worst form of communalism I have ever heard. Why do you non-Muslims consider yourselves a part of India or want to live in India and not in Pakistan, along with all other real Kashmiris. That is because you are communalists and religious bigots. Plain and simple.
@LalaGee, I am a Kashmiri Pandit, and believe we should be a part of the Union. My whole community believes the same! What do you have to say to that?
@Adnan: “How Pakistan achieves ‘peace’ in Baluchistan,waziristan,gilgit-baltistan”- the second part of this title should read: ” By killing Muslims.”
@Babloo: only 4% of Indian Muslims live in Kashmir. So if 96% can live in India the 4% too can, peacefully.
That's an excellent point..& there we have our neighbor crying where few percentage of Muslims of the Indian subcontinent can live peacefully with each other.
i think its some thing else ! there is a pressure on indian goverment to with draw forces from kashmir in order tominimize deffence budget , so this all aggitation is backed by the government of india like to have a jawaaz for keeping army in kashmir !
@Lala Gee:
All the Indian trolls are trotting out in defiance of the TRUTH! Talk about an exercise in futility!
Pathetic.
@Lala Gee: no Kashmiri can think of, even in his wildest dreams, to become part of the Indian union. That my dear friend will decided be decided by Kashmiris..not you. & that we are trolls..will remain so..for people of your mentality.
"How India achieves 'peace' in Kashmir"- the second part of this title should read: " By killing Muslims."
Honestly speaking, I am very pleased, rather thankful, of the Indian's commentators. After reading these comments, no Kashmiri can think of, even in his wildest dreams, to become part of the Indian union. Thank you Indian trolls for showing your true inner-self.
@Water Bottle: i agree about the generic idea of army going back to the barracks, also special status of J&K must be dropped and state of J&K should be merged into Indian Union like other states with no special laws.In which case all special laws including the Armed Forces Special Power Act can be withdrawn. As for Nehru's blunder of UN it is non binding.Also this stupid Argument that because Pakistan has terror Infrastructure Indian Government will kill it Citizens in the process of protecting is a lousy spineless argument.
@kaalchakra: Sometimes i wonder all your remarks are satire. By the way, were the arabian muslims original inhabitants of valley? Islam is a foreign religion in sub continent. They all were hindus before Islam. So yeah Hindus were the original inhabitants of the valley and the whole Indian sub continent.
Also please remember, only 4% of Indian muslims live in Kashmir. So if 96% can live in India the 4% too can, peacefully.
No, Kashmiris are not responsible for this. It is the virulent concept that the religion makes a nation that's responsible. It is the idea that religious identity is superior to all other identity that is responsible. It is the two nation theory, that enabled vitiating of the minds, and elimination of 18% Hindus from Pakistan (and millions of Kashmiri Pandits from Kashmir) that's responsible for it.
Kashmiris in general are nice people. But they are infected with an virulent ideology, that denies the minority rights, wants to apply single religion rule, Sharia and subjugate and eliminate other minorities.
There is no solution to Kashmir, as long as it is framed under religious intolerance, as about 25% minorities in Kashmiris can't be thrown out. It would cause a demand for all Muslims to be thrown out of India too, and that's far too dangerous.
If religion wasn't an issue, then there is no true issue for Kashmiris to ask for separation.
@sahil: "Indian trolls can blabber whatever they want, but as a kashmiri we never were, nor are ,and never shall be indian." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Pls state the logic to support your claims. 4 wars Kargil and jihadi terror from Pakistan could not alter the fact that Kashmir is with India . So what r u blabbering?
One other thing to remember Kashmir is most peaceful today as compared to anytime in last 30 years. There is more violence in Karachi than in all of Kashmir. I would say that's pretty amazing . Isn't it ?.
enough is enough.......please come to balochistan and lets discuss why balochistan boiling.we need help we are struggling more than 60 years.
Hello Kashmir specialist: we need freedom in Balochistan help us don't waste time for Kashmir.
@Hassan Mir:
Kashmiris hate india because of its violence, rape, torture
You mean something like this? But it happened in Pakistan.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/580534/brutality-woman-dies-during-rape/
http://tribune.com.pk/story/580532/brutal-crime-13-year-old-burned-after-rape-attempt/
@SM: They were Budhists, perhaps you have been taught false history in hindustan.
The bizarre comments made on a human tragedy by"Hindu Nationalists" vindicates the general perception in Kashmir that they possess a bias against Muslims.
@1984: I agree with your view in toto.
Repatriate all the Pandits evicted over centuries to Kashmir, and take a plebiscite. Jammu, Ladakh and half of Kashmir will vote to be with India.
@IBN-E-ASHFAQUE: You forgot to add Inshaallha..
@Babloo: If Kashmiris want to mix religion with politics, who can stop them. The brutal Indian occupation of more than 60 years has not broken their resolve. Oh oppressed people of Kashmir and Palestine as even after more than 60 years the occupiers could not break your resolve this itself speaks of the occupiers failiure. Your time of independence is drawing close.
@Hassan Mir: Kashmir is not Pakistani and never will be +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ India has the written ascension by the Maharaja of the State.
@Babloo: " Mixing religion with politics" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Doesnt that remind you of a neighbour...which illusrates all the harmful effects of that explosive mixture.
Us Kashmiri Pandits are the original inhabitants of the Valley. We want peace in our homeland, and have no problem in sharing it with others who converted as long as they know how to live in harmony. Alas, that's not the case, and we have been systematically cleansed from the 1300s onwards from the Valley in seven mass migrations. My family was evicted in the early 1800s, and this ethnic cleansing has not ceased till as recently as 1991. All this in the name of secularism. Kashmir, once the cradle of Vedic culture and the Sanskrit language has been decimated over the years, first in the name of a foreign religion and now in the name of secularism!
Indian trolls can blabber whatever they want, but as a kashmiri we never were, nor are ,and never shall be indian. Nobody can change that and India knows it.
@amoghavarsha.ii:
There are plenty of cities in the world with armies in the cities. Plenty. I can just give the example of Colombo post 2008.
"The situation calls for the military which is a more disciplined force to come and improve it."
The situation does not call for military action. Not at all. Few years ago, maybe yes. Not now.
Illegal acts of BSF is exactly the same as the acts of of Pak army in 1971 : murder, rape, kidnapping, disappearances. The numbers maybe different. But the crimes are the same. There can be no argument against that.
Simply put. The longer we have army in the cities, the longer this issue going to take to be solved and longer India suffers.
@kaalchakra: Yeah So called "Kashmiri Muslims" are from Iran. By your logic they should be where thay belonged to. BTW "Kashmir" gets its name from Hindu Sadhu "Kashyap". Now what do you have to say?
With all due respect to everybody, I think one has to be realistic. A big chunk of youth in Kashmir have been sold an illusion for past 2 decades. The slogans of 'Go Back India' that the emotionally & religiously charged unemployed youth parade irrespective of the incident in question, are defacto message for Indian politicians to go back and Indian Army to take over. The politicians (be it Kashmiri or National) can have some wiggle room only if the activists in Valley fought directly for AFSPA revokation, internal districts to be demilitarised, more jobs, HR violations to be promptly investigated, culprits to be timely punished & and cross LoC travel to be made more liberal & so on so forth.
@water bottle, some of it is right what u say about Kashmir. But most are totaly wrong. 1. " military has no place in the cities " How many cities in the world do u see military out of there baracks. Military personnel are also human beings, they too do not want to go out kill or get killed. The situation calls for the military which is a more disciplined force to come and improve it. If police can do the same without blood shed, everybody will be happy, is it not.
" There has to be mechanisms and systems in place that involves the local police also in any raids and searches. The author rightly pointed this out." The above reply itself is OK, In this case Why could not the police join BSF search party. Also it was planned that AFSPA was to be removed slowly, this requires the police to gear up rapidly to protect the civiliance.
In all conflicts BSF/POLICE/ARMY have more restrictions in working than the civilians, civilans can talk out of there hat, but Govt. Personnel are held responsible even for ther comments. The civilian would not speak losely if has something in stake to lose.
If there is ONLY EMOTIONAL SOLIDARITY to Kashmir cause from Pakistan there would not be any guns in the valley.
All organisations will have some BAD moments and BAD apples but that is mostly an abberation, just for this it is attrocious to compare 1971pak army with BSF. SORRY THIS IS 100% BAD.
India must learn many things, ofcourse Indians are making all effort on that, accepting mistakes is the firs step on correcting it, you can see that happening everyday, I am seeing it happening everyday.
Hope you understand now,
@kaalchakra:
"Hindus are not the original inhabitants of the valley. They need to go back to wherever they came from."
Good argument.
You should vacate Pakistan and let Hindus live in their original land.
You can move back to Saudi Arabia. Where they will welcome you with the title of Rafique.
@ Hassan Mir ... Get your DNA done ... it will answer all your questions ... Rather all of Kashmiris and Pakistanis should get there DNA done ... Milk ka Milk... Water ka Water will become ... LOL
"It is, indeed, a bad time for Kashmir but Kashmiris are not responsible for this''.I and my community am always responsible for what happens to us , others may fish in troubled waters but the responsibility for creating the troubled waters is ours .Kashmiris have the right and the power to decide who rules J&K i fail to understand what more you can ever hope to get under any other conceivable situation . You do not like Omar elect someone else you have the right and the opportunity to control and change your life DO IT .
@Hassan Mir, Intresting to read that your ancestors werent Hindu. Just for curosity are your ancestors from Indus Valley civilization or Mesapotomian Civilzation or further North Chinese Civilization? If your are from Inus Valley civilization then you are definitely Hindu Origin. If you are from Mesapotomian Civilization - u can be Arab / Turk. If you are Chinese - u can be mongol / chinese. Pick you choice. This is atleast closer to the truth and scientific.
As the editor of a Srinagar based newspaper, I would have expected more investigative reporting - based on facts on the ground - from both sides. Leave the emotive writing to your soul mates from across the border. Surely the little education you have received in this inglorious state of India should have equipped you for some good old reporting from ground zero otherwise you are as good or as ill-informed as the rest of us.
@Shiv:
"@Rana Usman: You mean like in Bangladesh?"
No. Like they keep in Pakistan!!
@ Author you cannot dream of peace when you throw your fellow Hindu Kashmiris out of the valley and then bury your head in sand like an ostrich pretending everything is well. What did you think? that you will not pay the price for atrocities commited by throwing these hapless non muslim Kashmiris out of their homes and making them refugees in their own nation just because they did not agree with your so called "cause"? That is not going to happen anytime
@Hassan Mir: {speak for yourselves; my ancestors werent hindu and i’m darn proud of that fact}
IMHO, it is not half as important to be proud of one's ancestors as for the ancestors to be proud of their progeny. Anyway...May be SM here spoke of people like the far, far better known person of Kashmiri origins: Dr. Allama Muhammad Iqbal whose grandparents were Kashmiri Brahmin Saprus. Iqbal himself has mentioned that he was “a son of Kashmiri Brahmans, but acquainted with the wisdom of Roomi and Tabrez."
@Hassan Mir:
"Kashmir is not indian and never will be"
Apparently, you don't know the history of the sub-continent. Kashmir, and in fact the whole of Pakistan, were Hindu lands for thousands of years.
@Hassan Mir:
"Kashmir is not indian and never will be". Have you ever read history? Do you even know where the word Kashmir is derived from?
If your ancestors were not Hindus then that means they were invaders from west and you owe their allegiance to them and not the soil of Kashmir. So please refrain from posting biased views and mislead people.
@Hassan Mir: seculars and hardliners alike will resist indian occupation until the very end; we reject indian hegemony and we will combat it — peacefully and through other means Kashmir is not indian and never will be
Hassan Bhai, I think secular people and hindus were thrown out long back and the only guys remaining are the fundamentalists.
@Rana Usman: You mean like in Bangladesh?
Why do I see no articles from the Kashmiris when militants kill elected members of the Panchayat elections. When militants kill your own people it's kosher? And please read the news today, a top Jaish-e-Mohammad commander was killed in the valley. Your continued support to these militants along with the exodus of Pandits from the valley is why your cause will never find sympathy with the larger Indian population.
Those Kashmiris in favor of being part of Pakistan should be given their wish. Pack up your stuff and a one way ticket will be provided. Turn back and face the business end of the gun! Problem solved. No mollycoddling these terrorists.
How India achieves ‘peace’ in Kashmir
Without using Helicopter Gunships, Aerial Bombing and Cruise Missiles, a la, Balochistan and Sindh.
Pretty amazing- Ain't it?
The solution is very simple. Stop interference by Pakistan and its proxies. See, how simple!
@SM:
speak for yourselves; my ancestors werent hindu and i'm darn proud of that fact
Kashmiris hate india because of its violence, rape, torture and hegemony over a land and people that reject it and have nothing in common with india
@Babloo:
seculars and hardliners alike will resist indian occupation until the very end; we reject indian hegemony and we will combat it -- peacefully and through other means
Kashmir is not indian and never will be
To Indians. At the risk of being hated by both Pakistanis and Indians, let me try a balanced argument.
Kashmir is volatile for a lot of reasons. Religious bigotry, terrorism, seeping extremism, ethnic cleansing of Hindus (in India, how ironic and tragic is that?)...
Despite all the reasons, I argue that military has no place in the cities. Nothing good can ever come out of this.
There has to be mechanisms and systems in place that involves the local police also in any raids and searches. The author rightly pointed this out.
Yes, the writer is wrong in believing everything BSF says as a lie/propaganda and everything some civilians says as gospel truth.
On the contrary the locals who talk to Pakistani media are usually JKLF stooges or supporters or members. And the cancer of lying has seeped into the valley from their neighbor Pakistan.
But BSF are not holy cows. BSF is known for excesses. BSF has committed unspeakable atrocities (similar acts as Pak army in 1971) in Kashmir, North-East of India.
BSF tend to behave like a bunch of rabid dogs.
Indians must learn to see both the sides.
If you don't see both the sides, you are no different than the Hameed Guls of Pakistan.
Kashmiri Muslims have a right to implement the Shariah and live as good Muslims should live everywhere. Why must they have Hindus as their neighbors disturbing the beauty of Allah's valley? Hindus are not the original inhabitants of the valley. They need to go back to wherever they came from. Down with the Indian army for taking away the peaceful democratic rights of innocent people.
These same BSF forces are working for 16 hours every day protecting these very same Kashmiris from armed militants, with no breaks. And what do they get in return? Rallys of brainwashed youngsters throwing stones and seriously hurting these BSF people, and cursing them with very lowly insults. It is easy to insult and physically hurt forces which are protecting you, but it not acceptable if these forces open fire in self-defense?
And to whoever Pakistanis that are going to come here to comment about how Indians are treating Kashmiris after reading this, remind yourself of this thing: Atleast these same small radical brainwashed bunch of Kashmiris have the rights to express their opinions 'freely' even if they are anti-India remarks. Bomb blasts dont happen in Kashmir and everywhere else in India on a daily basis. The same cant be said about PoK and rest of Pakistan. Atleast the Indian Army alongwith BSF and Indo-Tibetan Forces have total control of their provinces, whereas in Pakistan, more than 35% of "Pakistan" is not controlled by Pakistan, but by Talibanis and other such extremists. Don't critizise India just for the sake of criticising without knowing the full truth. Indian part of J&K has been peaceful for many years and literally hundreds of thousands of people go there for tourism - the same cant be said of Pak-owned Kashmir (or any other state of Pakistan for that matter)
/waiting for "proud Pakistanis" to compare this to Operation Blue Star and 126 separatist movements in India and how Muslims are unsafe in India.
@Rana Usman:
"Kill innocent civilians and when they retaliate, call them terrorists and rape their women."*
Doesn't it also apply to the oppressed people of Balochistan?
I think Kashmiri's are trying to bring blasphemy law to India. If militants hide in religious structures, then Army will go there to flush them out.
I am bewildered the author had nothing to say about the unsettled nature of Kashmir's political status which is a fundamental cause of the valley's political unrest and of the presence of Indian forces endowed with draconian powers. The fact remains that Kashmir is not just any Indian state. Kashmir- particularly the valley- is a pending political problem which can't be swept under the carpet. Pakistan, India, and Kashmiris are all party to achieving peace.
"Kashmir is again on the boil"
The usual overarching statement. Separatists and hardcore Islamists like the author use the term "Kashmir" to inflate and misrepresent the problems caused by a few hardcore radicals in the Valley. The Valley is not a total representation of the whole state of J&K.
Interesting. How does Pakistan achieve peace in Balochistan ??
I would hate to have the army in any civilian area. It would have been useful if you had addressed some of your ire at Pakistan for training and infiltrating militants because their hearts bleed for muslim Kashmiris. As an Indian, I would like to see all disaffected people such as yourself travel through rest of India and see how Delhi addresses the needs of the common man in Chhapra or Mumbra or anywhere else. Stop feeling so sorry for yourself because your holy Kashmiri muslim uniqueness is being protected by inferior BSF jawans from UP, Bihar and Chennai - often putting their inferior lives at stake. These inferior lives are all that stands between you, your precious uniqueness and the wahabi infiltrators from across the border.
Very easy.
Kill innocent civilians and when they retaliate, call them terrorists and rape their women.
I am just curious, what will end the violence in Kashmir? Azadi? Is the Hindu hate so visceral that you cant tolerate to live with us even though your own ancestors were Hindus at some point in your own history?
Why dont u write an article of how "Radical elements disrupts peace in Kashmir"
Its the same story,people go to Friday prayer and then come out as an agitated mob and try to vandalise the local post or police station and start to throw stones..The armed forces will have no other option than to retaliate and for some reason,a 10 yr old kid will be dead (Noone will ask what he was doing during a protest)
Next friday,there will be another mob for the death of this kid
Come winter,everyone is inside the house while the same army toils to unblock the snow covered roads and rescue stranded people.....
No wonder,the kashmir cause is not taken by countries other than Pakistan,even muslim countries like Saudi Arabia,Iran dont utter a word about it.
no mr author you are wrong,peace is there in Kashmir,if you meant to say that a mere protest due to the killing of some civilian at the hand of security forces is according to you a Kashmir boiling then as per same logic any death of civilian in the hand of police in other state of India is also the states boiling as per you.Protest is a part of democracy and such kind of protest do occurs in other states of India and out side India too so Kashmir is no exception.Don't try to over hype the situation cuz such try is only for self satisfaction.
Of course, the BSF are 'liars' - the protestors were only throwing small stones, and that too not too hard; and they only wanted to 'look' at the ammo; not to loot it. Yeah,...
If you mess with the troops, they will fire back! Do so at your own peril.
Kashmiris are themselves responsible for what ever plight they complain of. Reason ? Mixing religion with politics , will only bring grief. Disassociate the two and peace will follow.