Like Pakistan, India has issues: female infanticide, Maoist guerillas, the sad state of its Muslims and rape becoming distressingly high. Unlike Pakistan, it’s working towards a long-term narrative. At home, its reforms have busted the licence Raj, thrown markets open to the world and given rise to a vibrant middle class. Abroad, we are told India Shining is a chaotic, pulsating, multicultural democracy — the world’s largest.
It’s a story that works and Pakistan’s friends subscribe. The latest Chinese premier visited Them significantly before Us. Where once Richard Nixon would row into the Bay of Bengal cursing Indira Gandhi, today’s America signs strategic deals with the Indians on one hand and hyphenates Af-Pak on the other.
With urgent crises both domestic and foreign, Pakistan can only spend so much energy on adversarial old Bharat. And the onus lies on the state. While it’s wonderful that our artists are appreciated on both sides of the border and it’s heartening to read, even for the hundredth time, the reception cricket fans get in either country, we need to stop deluding ourselves. People-to-people contact has always been warm, stems as it does from shared experience — it still translates into nothing for peace. In other forms, it hurts the cause the most.
That same shared history, on a state level, has become poison. A poison that affects water treaties and trade agreements and visa grants. A poison that brings up memories of wars and death, trains and Partition, of Khalistan and Balochistan, of the dreams of the Kashmiri people.
Further helping our history in preventing peace is the question of identity. In no small measure, thanks to what we are taught, we would be hard pressed to affirm what it is to be Pakistani without rejecting what it is to be Indian. Our leaders agree, their worldview forged by an overwhelming sense of Otherness.
Narrating a boyhood episode he’d “never forget”, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto had gone “up to a man selling water and asked him for a drink. The man filled the cup, stopped and asked, ‘Are you a Hindu or a Muslim?’ (When I told him), the man poured the water to the ground. (…) We’re not brothers. We never have been. The Hindus have always humiliated us. Our religions,” he said, “go too deep into our souls.”
The words of a young army officer, who had escorted the last train of refugees from Babina in 1947, were as revealing: “I saw no greenery — only the mutilated bodies of men and women lying along the rail line.” When the officer finally made it to Lahore, “I realised, we were bathed in blood, but at last we were free. This,” Captain Ziaul Haq would later say, “was Pakistan.”
These admissions are not subtle. It may be a coincidence that it was between schoolboy and captain, between the men they grew up to be, that Pakistan built the bomb. It’s likelier that it was not. Nuclear war will still wreak mutual devastation after their respective contributions to peace — the Simla Agreement and cricket diplomacy — are long forgotten.
Not that we haven’t entertained the idea of a glorious atom-splitting meltdown. India’s Cold Start doctrine is a “military strategy” that will “thrust” into Pakistan in short and sharp bursts, paralysing its nuclear arsenal before it ever comes into play (a script worthy of Salman Khan). Foreign journals report that the response, in the true spirit of Pakistani improvisation, is to have built smaller warheads capable of being deployed on the battlefield. Less strategy, and more like fighting fever dream with fever dream. Better perhaps, to leave the nightmare scenarios where they belong: in our nightmares?
How can we, when our nightmares have already played out? Benazir Bhutto felt her generation, the post-Partition generation (that had never been denied water or witnessed mass murder on the rails), had the best chance to make peace, untouched as they were by the trauma of those days. Ms Bhutto underestimated the trauma of later events and how 1971 changed everything.
No one from my generation will understand 1971. Many have tried. They’ve listened to witnesses in Dhaka and spoken to broken men back home. Enough human interaction can mean reaching out and almost touching the pain, the anger, the hurt; just not feeling it. Because second-hand wounds aren’t wounds at all. Understanding 1971, what it was, what it meant, the kind of nation that inherited it, and the kind of nations it left behind, will elude us forever. Those questions may only be answered when the 1971 generation finds closure. And it’s hard finding closure to what one’s chosen to forget.
What happened afterwards, in spite of 1971 or because of it, is clear: hating what India did to Pakistan helped us forget what West Pakistan did to Pakistan.
Whether Pakistan and India are victims of their history or the cause of it is something for later generations to decide. Just as it is, those later generations that can shed the sins of the past and forgive each other. Until then, soldiers on both sides of the Wagah Border will continue stamping their feet, sacrificing their knees to crowds cheering from the sides.
Published in The Express Tribune, June 11th, 2013.
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@Zalmai
@ Manoj Doshi “Perhaps they are yet to realise modernity and progressive thought.” Modernity and progressive thought was a gift that colonialism bestowed on the Indian subcontinent, perhaps you need to put things in the proper context before you make sweeping statements.
You made your point with so much restraint. It’s rarely seen in these forums where people go ballistic given half a chance.
@andy (ON, Canada) : . You stated *Really? are you kidding me? A typical Pakistani fool living in an imaginary world! the nation is standing with a begging bowl in front of US, China and lately KSA. With Forex reserves 30 times more, India needs Pakistan more than Pakistan does!!! :) You made my day! Laughter is a good medicine and I gulped whole bottle today! . Pakistan's Total Foreign Exchange Amounts to US$ 11.4571 Billion . Of this amount US$ 5.0619 Billion is held by Commercial Banks in Pakistan and these Reserves are held by Private Citizens. Thus this amount i.e. US$ 5.0619 is NOT AVAILABLE TO THE Government of Pakistan. . The State Bank of Pakistan holds only US$ 6.3952, which is available to the Government of Pakistan for Imports etc. However this amount has I believe US$ 2 Billion or so are deposited by Brother Muslim Countries to shore up the Pakistani Rupee. In addition I have read that the SBP-GOP have US$ 2 Billion in Forward Swaps and they need to be "Paid Back". As I am not an Authority in Economic-Financial Matters I would take the Figure of US$ 6.3952 Billion being fulyl available to SBP-GOP. . OTOH the Reserve Bank of India holds Foreign Exchange Reserves of US$ 287.8973. . Thus the Indian Foreign Exchange Reserves of US$ 287.8972 are about Forty Five Times Pakistan's Foreign Reserves. . Cheers
@ G. Din
King Amanullah Khan introduced political and social reforms and drafted one of the most progressive constitutions in the Islamic world in 1923, which gave equal rights to women as well as Jews and Hindus. Modernity and progressive thought had always been the guiding principle of the monarchs and the republicans until the Mujahidin era, which derailed whatever progress Afghanistan had achieved.
@ Manoj Doshi
"Perhaps they are yet to realise modernity and progressive thought."
Modernity and progressive thought was a gift that colonialism bestowed on the Indian subcontinent, perhaps you need to put things in the proper context before you make sweeping statements.
@Romm Ji: . You stated :I think Indian Muslims should continue suffering because they opted for living in India. Living in socalled democracy and secular india has the price to be paid. It’s not muslims who are effected but women, poor and Shudras are in same state." . If - in your Opinion - Indian Muslims should continue suffering because they opted for living in India. then I am sure that the Indian Government will most definitely assist all Muslims in India, should they so desire, to migrate to Pakistan - irrespective if they are Sunnis or Shias or Ahmedis. . Cheers
What about the pakistani buddhist who has been neglecting since the partition ? Still they are under privileged community in pakistan and no one is even humble enough to pay attention to the difficulties they are facing today in islamic government
The history of these two South Asian republics viz Republic of India and Islamic Republic of Pakistan have been a history of dichotomies, antipathies and distrust. This unfortunately has been the story since 1947 and a not very cordial relationship has remained and order of the day which now has started to show a certain degree of thaw. The political winter that had prevailed for almost six decades apparently seems to be on a retreat but it is perhaps too early to arrive at any conclusion. There have been political hiccups that still do occur on a periodic basis which do shake the growing edifice of trust, understanding and amity. The political tremors wherein antipathy towards the visiting sportsmen is a part does create an apprehension in the minds of the people of the two nations. The basic dichotomy of India and Pakistan has been their history which although common prior to 1947 had a dichotomy wherein the hero of one side was perceived as a villain by the other and vice versa and it is this dichotomy that the British rulers took advantage of and further promoted this political and historic virus by introducing the Communal Electorate System which was given the name of 'Communal Award' and it was this communal divide that created a further rift between the two communities the Hindus and Muslims which inevitably culminated in the partition of British India in 1947 into two dominions. However, the post independence era was a time when Cold War was at its peak and India and Pakistan opted different kinds of alliances viz Non-Aligned Group and CENTO respectively. It is rather easy to blame Pakistan at hindsight with regard to their having joined the CENTO as simple it has been to blame India for having adopted a policy of Non-Alignment and having remained a Third World. The truth or reality is that the leaderships of the two countries Pakistan as well as India took recourse to a policy that suited their national and geo-strategic interests and this was the reason why India got close to the Soviet bloc and Pakistan to the US bloc. Although now there has been a change in the entire geo-strategic situations and this has been a global development. India is now a well developed economy and Pakistan too has come a long way since 1947. Coming back to the point of Indo-Pak antipathy and distrust wherein political and diplomatic misunderstandings too have played a major role the change is possible only through public and political will. First and the foremost the need to review and modify the parameters of patriotism in the two neighbouring countries is very important. Even during a sports event the entire match is viewed with a perception of hostility and antipathy and defeat is perceived as some sort of an anti-national act of the players which is a rather unfortunate and the perceptions need to be changed. This negative patriotism of antipathy, distrust and dislike towards the neighbour must be shown the door. Secondly the need to develop a perception that the neighbour is as noble and as holy as we are hence they too need to be given a fair chance to prove their credibility. Thirdly economic relations between the two neighbours ought to be promoted and economic nationalism needs to be given the driving seat in place of a radical political patriotism. Finally old and obsolete issues should be shelved or put in the back burner as they are of no utility to either sides as these issues have only promoted distrust and antipathy and have had a detrimental impact on the economies of the two neighbouring countries. Hence these issues should be laid to rest after a sincere and comprehensive dialogue. Hatred towards the neighbour or spewing venom through vitriolic remarks or preventing bilateral sports is in no way a patriotic act but should be considered as one of the most malicious and unpatriotic acts. The people of India and Pakistan should therefore come forward and oppose any such act that is provocative and detrimental to peace in this region or has a negative effect on Indo-Pak friendship. TRUST, AMITY and UNDERSTANDING are the only pillars that can promote a more cordial bilateral relationship between the two neighbours.
It is a nice concept, to forgive India and to move on.
Indians have the gumption to build their country without begging bowl and now the nation is becoming the country of opportunities, a term that was once given to US.How dare do they it, still it is better to forgive them.
While on the forgiving mood, let's also forgive our East Pakistani brothers, who go by the name Bangladeshis these days. Those bengalis backstabbed us, humiliated our military and went separate ways. And they had the stupidity to get better lives for themselves without our leaders and without our guidance. Let's forgive Bangladeshis too.
Let's forgive Afghanis. For all the help we have been giving them for so many decades, we have got nothing but hatred from the average Afghani chaps. We give them good life as refugees but they like Indians better than us. Let's forgive them.
The only people we can't forgive is US. From the moment Pak was born, US was supporting it by unceasingly supplying dollars, just to get a friend. It was with the US largesse that we built all those shiny roads and airports and buildings. They gave money to get our precious friendship. So they should have believed us when we said OBL was never with us. Instead of showing trust in us, they have started bombing our poor taliban friends.
So let us forgive India, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Japan and all those countries who have refused to lend us money.
But we cannot forgive US. How can you forgive someone who does not trust you ?
@G. Din: Perhaps they are yet to realise modernity and progressive thought.
@Zalmai: Thanks. I understand and I believe. Things are changing. Recently, I read a piece in Readers' Digest written by a Saudi lady how she got liberated and in the process asserted her independence by taking her car for a drive on the Saudi streets. Of course, she was arrested but let go. She moved over to Dubai because she couldn't bear to live under Saudi conditions, married a Brazillian and now lives there. She says she could never understand why, if she had an international driving license, she was not allowed to drive in her home country. I understand that Saudis are moving forward albeit very reluctantly towards greater freedoms for women. The world welcomes such progress as long as there is no regress. As the lady said, no man is free until the woman is free. I have also read about progress made in education and equality of sexes in Afghanistan, led by some very brave ladies, supported of course by men. I do believe, one day Pakistan shall follow the lead given by Bangladesh and Afghanistan.
The subject of India and Pakistan or what one must say Indo-Pak relationship has been the most debated and deliberated issue wherein discussions have unfortunately been one sided and seldom balanced or neutral. The very thought of India in the minds or a common man in Pakistani or for that matter the word Pakistan for an Indian has evoked a feeling of distrust, antipathy and strong malice which is encased in the capsule of patriotism towards ones country. This distrust and antipathy that has been fed in the Indo-Pak mindset has been the result of the last almost six decades of relationship that has remained not very cordial if not dis-cordial. The very thought provokes the negative feeling in the mind of the common man on either sides eradicating which from their mind is a task not very simple. A balanced, neutral approach towards the neighbour whether Pakistan or India is perceived with the eye of scepticism and detest which is the factor that has retarded any positive move with regard to improvement and development of bilateral relationship. The blame game has continued which has been promoted by the hawks on either sides whose vested interests are served as a result of this animosity, antipathy and distrust. The very thought of Indo-Pak amity and trust although is appreciated by a few nevertheless the general reaction is seldom favouring the idea. Comments most disgraceful and derogatory are many a times used for one another which is most disheartening especially for those who desire to see Indo-Pak friendship becoming a reality. There is a change now visible on the diplomatic front however it is still a long way to go. Although no longer a pipe dream as had been the case in the past Indo-Pak friendship will still be facing turbulent weather from the hawks who will continue with their negative efforts in this regard. But, the show must go on and all efforts must continue with the desired earnest and seriousness towards building in the desired confidence among the people of the two neighbouring countries. The time has come to shed antipathy and distrust and above all that 'negative patriotism' that has persisted in the Indo-Pak context. This is the task that needs the desired will, confidence, trust and sincerity without which it cannot be accomplished. The citizens of Pakistan and India must change their perceptions about one another and work towards this goal of amity and trust with a will to move forward and make it a success story.
In no small measure, thanks to what we are taught, we would be hard pressed to affirm what it is to be Pakistani without rejecting what it is to be Indian. Our leaders agree, their worldview forged by an overwhelming sense of Otherness.
OK. You must 'forgive' India for forging this fake sense of self for Pakistanis and for teaching this in Pakistan Study Textbooks too.
The man filled the cup, stopped and asked, ‘Are you a Hindu or a Muslim?’ (When I told him), the man poured the water to the ground. (…) We’re not brothers. We never have been. The Hindus have always humiliated us. Our religions,” he said, “go too deep into our souls.”
If Bhutto was shocked by this, then how would he react to a fellow countrywoman being charged with blasphemy for 'water contamination'?
In June 2009, Asia Noreen, a farmhand from the village of Ittan Wali in Sheikhupura District,[6] was asked to fetch water; she complied, but some of her Muslim fellow workers refused to drink the water as they considered Christians to be "unclean
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_Bibi
“I saw no greenery — only the mutilated bodies of men and women lying along the rail line.” When the officer finally made it to Lahore, “I realised, we were bathed in blood, but at last we were free. This,” Captain Ziaul Haq would later say, “was Pakistan.”
I do not know how good was Gen Zia at taking a body count. For example how many bodies did he come across in Jordan, where the Palestinians are still waiting for a country. What I know is that at least half of the bodies littering the route to Lahore were those of people migrating away from Lahore. So I guess forgiving the dead (and the living) on both sides is OK.
PS- While discussing the Cold Start doctrine just reflect why is there no such doctrine in respect of Nepal/ Bhutan/ Sri Lanka/ China? To help you along let me give you a hint, 26/11 Mumbai and 'non state actors' and David Coleman Headley.
Did I jog some repressed memories?
This article reflects the mindset of self-designated Pakistani patriots that has taken shape in the conservative urban middle classes of Punjab in particular and the rest of Pakistan in general. This a typical Central Punjabi mindset.
@G Din
"That doesn’t explain why every Muslim-majority country in the world is an avowedly Islamic republic or emirate."
There is tremendous pressure from the so called Ulema in Islamic countries that are patronized by Saudi Arabia to be in line with the Wahhabi version of Islam, which attempts to recreate Islamic nations in their image and rid non-Arab Muslim nations of their local syncretized versions of Islam and to name their countries The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan or Pakistan.
In Afghanistan they are still upset that the term Islamic was added to The Republic of Afghanistan. Persian poetry has been battling Arabian obscurantism since the early days of Islam and this subversive literature thrives in promoting skeptical inquiry to this very day in Afghanistan and Iran.
The nexus of corrupt rulers and clerics are responsible for promoting the avowedly Islamic emirate or republic because there is no democracy in Muslim countries except for Turkey where people are standing up against the repressive ideals of political Islam.
@darbullah “India and Pakistan don’t have anything in common and can never be friends. India needs to build a new great wall of china to protect itself from barbarians”
No way. We want friendship with you whether you want it or not. The whole world wants us to be friends. We will not let anything come between our friendship, not even a veil, forget about a wall. If you still go on building the wall, we will break it for the sake of friendship. So please, no wall.
@Ghori: "You are too generous and naive. We cannot forgive India till they resolve core issue of Kashmir. India should realize it needs Pakistan more than Pakistan needs India." India needs Pakistan for what? To get trained in terrorism? In wreaking havoc in its neighbourhood? In destroying neighbouring society and in the process get destroyed itself? Sorry dear, but I think we have better options than these. Try selling these options to your bradaran mulks. They would surely be more receptive.
India and Pakistan don't have anything in common and can never be friends. India needs to build a new great wall of china to protect itself from barbarians
@Romm
@Vikas: I think Indian Muslims should continue suffering because they opted for living in India.
That’s not correct. It conceals more than it reveals. If you were truthful, you should have said, “I think Indian Muslims should continue suffering because they opted for living in India even though they demanded Pakistan, got that, but didn’t walk the talk.” That to me is a breach of trust, a betrayal of Himalayan proportion. They got two countries, one through front door, legally, and another through backdoor, surreptitiously; while the hindus didn’t get even one that they can claim theirs and theirs only. If they really opted to stay in India, then why they overwhelmingly stood behind Muslim League’s demand for Pakistan? And if they did what they did, then why didn’t they move over to Pakistan? They surely knew how dangerous it would be to live with the hindus, that’s why they asked for separate country. Right?
@Razi: to Vivek "And the rest of the world also realises what Modi actually is, hence the ban on him." Keep current with current affairs. What you say, was what was a long time back, done in a moment of hysteria. Now, the sanity has returned and the world powers have seen the light. They are vying with each other to get into good books of Modi. British, Germans and others have already paid tribute to him by meeting him in his office, bypassing that puppet poodle ensconced in Delhi. Others are just waiting for the right moment. By the way, I am not consumed by "the hatred for Islam and Muslims", but I am not thrilled either. I am not affiliated with RSS. My opinions have been arrived at after long observations. "Oh, you just hate us" is a stock response by a Muslim when he is left speechless and cannot respond in a rational, logical manner. "Satyameva Jayate" - The Truth shall always triumph. It has begun to dawn on each and every country and people of the world as far as Islam and Muslims are concerned.
@Razi:"That’s the reason most of you come to these pages; to show contempt and hatred." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Better than the Pakistanis that come on a boat from Karachi , land in Mumbai and show love and kindness.
@Vivek Your countrymen (read Hindus) love to invoke the provocation thesis when it comes to the Gujarat genocide. I am sure the same thesis can be invoked here. And the rest of the world also realises what Modi actually is, hence the ban on him. But unfortunately, your blind hatred for Islam will not allow you to think, thanks to the RSS. Reading its most prominent ideologue's statements, one can see hatred and contempt for non-Hindus. That's the reason most of you come to these pages; to show contempt and hatred.
@razi
Well, the rest of the world is also realizing what Islam is and what it is capable of doing. Take a look around you. Stockholm, London, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Thailand, France, Philippines...
Yup, RSS is surely responsible for that too.
@Razi
@G Din "All your comments on ET expose the hatred for Islam and Muslims that has consumed you."
Hate, particularly of pathological variety, provides the hater a sense of superiority and strength. We should send them 'Get well' card'.
@G Din All your comments on ET expose the hatred for Islam and Muslims that has consumed you. RSS is doing its job quite well.
@Zalmai: "It took 65 years of history to etch itself on the genealogy of those currently living in Pakistan, maybe with the right policies and course correction this attitude could change within two generations." But the etching on Indian minds is 1000 years old. It is precisely because of that etching on the Hindu mind, the 1857 mutiny flopped. Hindus did not trust Muslims and their aims. 1947 did not help much either. So, Pakistani attitude might change within two generations, Hindu trust cannot be revived so easily. And, that is going to accentuate the Muslim bitterness because Muslims put much inflated value on what little concessions they can offer or are capable of offering. If they feel their gestures and acts have not been adequately rated, they fly into fury. "Muslims and Islam are victims of states like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Iran for politicizing Islam and bringing it from the private to the public sphere." That doesn't explain why every Muslim-majority country in the world is an avowedly Islamic republic or emirate.
It is not often you use words like 'beautiful' to describe an article such as this. What makes this, however, the perfect description is the craft of the writer to find that perfect balance between knowledge, insight, and expression, something Asad has done remarkably well, and very consistently in all his articles too. Great job once again!
Forgive India! Wow! What next? Forgive Bangladesh?
This epitomizes what is wrong with the brainwashed Pakistani society that lives in constant and perpetual denial, imagined victimhood, obscurantism, distorted history, hatred, false self-righteousness and religious bigotry.
@ G Din
“Forgive and forget!!!!” "Get over that. It never happens. Why? Because history etches itself on the genealogy of those who live it! It takes a long, long, long time to change the genes. Muslims and Islam have to accept that their pariah status will last a long time."
It took 65 years of history to etch itself on the genealogy of those currently living in Pakistan, maybe with the right policies and course correction this attitude could change within two generations.
Pakistanis are essentially Indians that are fed lies into believing that they are Arabs, Afghans or Turks and the torchbearer of Islam and its glory. Once you remove the myth making and peel the superficial layers of defense mechanisms you will find a man/woman from the subcontinent that shares the same DNA, culture and language.
Muslims and Islam are victims of states like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Iran for politicizing Islam and bringing it from the private to the public sphere.
So troubled are you by the visceral hatred and what it is doing to you that you need to "forgive" India and move on. That is great self awareness. Won't ask you what are you forgiving India for. But now that you have "forgiven", when will you figure out who you are and accept it but NOT impose it on your neighbours?
This sort of intellectual dishonesty is what makes your society so repulsive. The whole world realizes it now. Its like a different world you guys have created out there where the actions and provocations are done by your society but you accuse of the other of it. All I see is lies and propaganda. Well continue with it, these lies and propaganda brought you to the state you are in now, I am sure it will serve no good purpose in the future.
@Yuri Kondratyuk: :)
The author tries well, maybe he means well too, but fails to conceal his bias altogether. There is nothing wrong in remembering painful experiences, in fact it is natural do so, but if you want to bring a healing touch, then open all the cans of worm without being selective about the identity of worms that come out. "The Hindus have always humiliated us. Our religions,” he said, “go too deep into our souls.” Starting from around early 8th century when the first Muslim invasion took place, right up to mid 18th century Muslims were living under various Muslim regimes. Hindus in that time were in no position of strength to humiliate Muslims. It is not impossible, hence quite probable, that when the Muslim dynasties in various part of India were in decline and the British colonial power was on its ascend, Hindus in their new found sense of liberation from Muslim domination of centuries before, could have tried to return the favour in the form of social and/or economical discrimination, but definitely not in kind by forceful conversion or beheading the adversary at the drop of a hat. So the ‘always’ part is a bit of stretch. And if anybody in the sub-continent has a greater right to ask the other, to ‘go too deep into our souls.’ it would be a Hindu. He has the burden of centuries old baggage of collective societal memory of being dominated by a miniscule minority of the populace whose religion he couldn’t connect with. And that’s in a land which is deeply religious in a very different way that would be incomprehensible to any atheist, much more to a strident follower of a monotheist religion. Having said that, nobody needs to feel a personal guilt and pay repatriation of any kind, but recognition of past events from all sides and saying sorry to each other, to empathies with the other is the only way forward.
@Ramesh Powar:
This has been going on ad nauseam brother. You better templatize your reply. You can bet that the same person you replied to, will repeat the same statement elsewhere in a couple of days in a different thread. Makes one wonder if Goebbelsian thought somehow permeated their entire education system.
"Forgive and forget!!!!" Get over that. It never happens. Why? Because history etches itself on the genealogy of those who live it! It takes a long, long, long time to change the genes. Muslims and Islam have to accept that their pariah status will last a long time.
Forgiving each other requires a very strong common cause. For example, to tackle a common enemy could be the reason the two sides come together. Without which, I do not think the two countries have a reason to become friends. They have been using each other to promote their personal (selfish) goals. Ask China, you will find out that they are better off making sure Pakistan never sees a friend in India. How many times has Pakistan requested China to intervene to resolve a potential conflict. It has always been USA (of late).
So proposing the two sides to become friendly nations overnight or over a decade will not happen unless the two see a strong reason that throws both of them into a situation where working together is the only option.
@Arindom: From this article it seems that muslims are always the victims.What about others like Christians,Buddhists,Sikhs,Hindus they do not claim they are victims.This is not just in Pakistan.this is the whine worldwide..Europe,UK,US
@andy (ON, Canada): @andy (ON, Canada): What about Baluchistan,Punjab,Sindhi and already part of Pakistan called Banglaesh. regarding 30 times more foreighn reserve with Pakistan? Think about IMF which does not want to give funds to your govt. Nawaz Saab has to request Saudi Arabia for help!!!Are you reading your own papers Dawn,Tribune,The Nation? All say Saudi Arabia has. To help out to pay loan interst payment.
I thought that was sober and sensible article , i dont know it got so many negative comments from both sides . I think our blood lust has not been whetted.
@Ghori: Yeah right! What exactly do we need you for?
@Vikas: I think Indian Muslims should continue suffering because they opted for living in India. Living in socalled democracy and secular india has the price to be paid. It's not muslims who are effected but women, poor and Shudras are in same state.
@Ram Ram: And Siachen after 1971.
After reading the article I have come to the following conclusion : My local degree college (BA - Pass programme) produces more rational thinkers than LSE.
This article will make Pakistani people beleive that India has come out of Pakistan not vice versa..
Your article did nothing but flared some more hated comments from both sides , you article should have been about forgetting not forgiving as we half half the blame on our hands also , so forgetting and moving ahead is the only way both of the country , both Pakistan and India can benifit if they have no threat from thier neighbors and can relax its military and focus more on the development budgets,
So its better to forget on both sides and move on coherently , we the new genration dont know about the 1947 , 1971 etc .... so its better to live in the positive and forget and move on!
"In no small measure, thanks to what we are taught, we would be hard pressed to affirm what it is to be Pakistani without rejecting what it is to be Indian"
Therein lies the central issue! An Indian's sense of identity is quite independent of Pakistan. (Or of any other country for that matter). Whether it is in the political system, the economic philosophy, the framework of law, the foreign policy, or whatever, India's analysis and actions are India's alone - the good, the bad, and the ridiculous. It is a straight continuation of the independence movement, which would have come even if British occupation had tried to change its face. That is the essential point which the writer has failed to grasp in what superficially appears to be a perceptive article.
Don't forgive India, just forget it for the time being.........
@Ghori: India should realize it needs Pakistan more than Pakistan needs India. Good heavens! What a make-believe world!
@Maria:
"Why don’t you just ask the Kashmiris whether they wish to be part of Pakistan or India "
Fair enough. By the same token, why not you ask the Baloch, Pashtoons and the Sindhis whether they want to be part of Pakistan?
@ Maria: You have a wrong impression that India harp upon Partition of Kashmir. Inida desire Pakistan to vacate PHK and GB which is under illegal occupation. The collective resolve of 1.2b Indians as expressed by Indian Parliaments (both houses) collectively and in unequivocal terms dated 15.03.2013 is as under:
“The House reiterates that the entire State of Jammu and Kashmir including the territory under illegal occupation of Pakistan is and shall always be an integral part of India. Any attempt from any quarter to interfere in the internal affairs of India will be met resolutely and with complete unity of our nation.” Resolution Dated 15.03.2013
I hope this will make you understand the Indian point of view.
and what about East Pakistan?? huh?? remember how those bengalis proved their sincerity with us..
@Maria: Why don’t you just ask the Kashmiris whether they wish to be part of Pakistan or India as mandated by the UN resolutions. I have seen many comments in ET by the Indian posters elaborating why the plebiscite mandated by the UN resolution did not take place in Kashmir. Not seeing much point in repeating the same arguments, my simple advice to you would be - "Please read the UN resolution." BTW, why don't you just ask the people of Balochistan whether they wish to be part of Pakistan? Or, why didn't you just ask the East Pakistani's in 1971 whether they wished to remain part of Pakistan?
@Vikas: Speak for yourself. Every person who promises to follow the laws of my country is an Indian to me. If they want special treatment because of their religion, then Sorry! they will not get any. Otherwise they are just the same as far as I am concerned.
Though i am no war-monger, and desire lasting peace with India, but this author has set records of trying to project us Pakistan as the culprit and very artfully rid India of any past , present or future threats that it possessed and still possess to harm our national interest. On the whole an article devoid of complex working of international relations, and how to tactfully deal with the issues. He falls veryyy short of discussing anything, well even if i wont name Kashmir, or else people will start yelling same old crap Pakistanis come up with, but the haunting water issues and the utter disregard of Indian side about the lawful resolutions, just to name one, should be enough to give this author more education on how to write next time regarding such issues, and not try and present them as black or white category. Mr writer its not that simple.
@Maria: "We need to move forward as neighbours but with mutual respect." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Madam u desire a bit too much for a country that harbored OBL for a decade.........
It is not just Pakistan but every single country of our region is victim of Indian state sponsored terrorism.
@Bala:
The hope that you get Pakistani citizenship!
This article is replete with persecutory delusions about Muslims always being victims, never perpetrators.
Yaaaawwwm Sad state of muslims in India, Nuclear bomb, same old same old That LSE degree gone to waste
@ghori. its 21st century my dear ... since when did u send this message
@MG: Why don't you just ask the Kashmiris whether they wish to be part of Pakistan or India as mandated by the UN resolutions. Then the whole tension between both nations would be gone and both countries can move on! Sorry but although I want peace with India, peace will remain elusive as long as the core issue of Kashmir is not settled. India refuses to acknowledge the reality of occupied Kashmir and still harps on about the partition. Pakistanis couldn't care less about the partition but we remember how the British and Indians cheated Pakistanis and Kashmiris. We need to move forward as neighbours but with mutual respect.
@Ghori: Really? are you kidding me? A typical Pakistani fool living in an imaginary world! the nation is standing with a begging bowl in front of US, China and lately KSA. With Forex reserves 30 times more, India needs Pakistan more than Pakistan does!!! :) You made my day! Laughter is a good medicine and I gulped whole bottle today!
@S.R.H. Hashmi:
Last time Nawaz invited an Indian prime minister, Nawaz was almost hanged and Indians PM was gifted Kargil
Manmohan has done Nawaz a favor by not taking his invitation.
@author, you have great career waiting for you in fictional writing.Please stop practicing law.
@author
You must have read the comments by the Indians here. Unfortunately, it will take too many generations for any chance that things may change.
See in mirror!! What happened to 3 wars thrust on India by Pakistan? Why Bangladesh came in to existence? Learn from child name MALAYA!!!
You are too generous and naive. We cannot forgive India till they resolve core issue of Kashmir. India should realize it needs Pakistan more than Pakistan needs India.
@S.R.H. Hashmi: "If Manmohan Singh obliged, it would not have committed India to any particular course in its relations with Pakistan, and India would have retained complete freedom to formulate its foreign policy in respect of Pakistan, though it would have been a welcome move, and a step in helping build cordial relations between the two countries, but Manmohan Singh DECLINED."
Factually incorrect. Nawaz said that he would invite Mamohan Singh for the swearing in ceremony. However no actual invitation was issued, so the question of accepting or declining was moot. http://tribune.com.pk/story/558739/no-indian-minister-will-attend-nawazs-oath-taking-salman-khurshid/
The specific thing that Indian FM Salman Khurshid said was “As I understand, I think, it is a local event. Missions will all be represented. I am not sure if there are any invites for anybody to be coming. Certainly not to our knowledge and therefore there wasn’t any need to take decision on this.”
My great aunt was raped whilile british soldiers watched and laughed. By your countrymen and in the name of your faith. So no , there are parts of The World that will never forget
Articles, such as this one, always seem to assume that India is still by traumatized by the partition and the lack of friendship with Pakistan. I grew up in India and visit India often enough. if at all the subject of Pakistan ever comes up in any of my conversations, the central theme I hear often is how much of a nuisance Pakistan has become. Another common theme is that till Pakistan does something concrete to shut down the terrorists camps, there should be no interaction at any level. I have never ever heard (even from the older, pre-partition generation) anyone talk longingly of 'what might have been' or how they miss being friends of Pakistan
sad state of its Muslims
Why can't you guys write a few lines without bringing in religion, especially 'muslim self pity'? India, all the poor are in a sad state - Hindus, Muslims or Christians? Or, do you wish to infer that Muslims in a "sad state" is somehow worser than other religions's followers in a "state state"?
@Zahid, good to know that you don't like snacks. Overeating is not good for health.
Well, Nawaz Sharif did extend a hand of friendship to India by inviting Manmohan Singh to his swearing-in ceremony.
If Manmohan Singh obliged, it would not have committed India to any particular course in its relations with Pakistan, and India would have retained complete freedom to formulate its foreign policy in respect of Pakistan, though it would have been a welcome move, and a step in helping build cordial relations between the two countries, but Manmohan Singh DECLINED.
Karachi
My advice - don't forgive India, but before that - don't forgive yourselves. Even that will make you a more responsible country instead of one with a selective memory like the one described in this piece.
with India and Pakistan relationship never ever be friendly. You got more chance to elephants might fly. Nevr trust snack.
My respects ! well balanced ...and there is hope.
How come the author never asks whether ,India will ever forgive Pakistan for Kargil Back-stabbing, will it ever forgive Pakistan for The parliament attack, Will India ever forgive Pakistan for harboring its most wanted criminals, responsible for 1993 Bombay stock exchange bombing, Will Indians ever forget Nov 2008 Mumbai attacks, where 10 Pakistani peace doves wreaked havoc for 3 days. Will Bangladeshis ever forgive/forget 1971 where pak army raped 200,000 women & killing 3,000,000 civilians. & still ended up losing the war.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971Bangladeshgenocide)
I think just for returning 93,0000 soldiers alive Pakistan should be grateful to India. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-PakistaniWarof_1971)
Narrating a boyhood episode he’d “never forget”, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto had gone “up to a man selling water and asked him for a drink. The man filled the cup, stopped and asked, ‘Are you a Hindu or a Muslim?’ (When I told him), the man poured the water to the ground. (…) We’re not brothers. We never have been. The Hindus have always humiliated us. Our religions,” he said, “go too deep into our souls.”
I would have even admired something said by Zia. But Bhutto...please, Bhuto was just a notch better than Imran Khan.
"the sad state of its Muslims " They are free to go to Pakistan. A Muslim in the Indian subcontinent is a Pakistani, irrespective of the place where he stays, be it in Pakistan, India or Bangladesh.
Ha ha. Pakistan "forgiving" India?!
This is like serial killer sitting in death row "forgiving" his victims.
Just to refresh your memory 1971 came after 1948 and 1965.