His view is simple. The Constitution refers to Islam and Islamic injunctions and stipulates, inter alia, that people may be qualified or disqualified to contest for public office depending on whether they are good Muslims. As with the Constitution, Abbasi’s views on what or who constitutes a good Muslim are problematic. But first the Constitution.
Before Articles 31 and some provisions of 62 and 63, let’s begin with the very preamble:
Whereas sovereignty over the entire Universe belongs to Almighty Allah alone, and the authority to be exercised by the people of Pakistan within the limits prescribed by Him is a sacred trust ...
Wherein the principles of democracy, freedom, equality, tolerance and social justice, as enunciated by Islam, shall be fully observed;
Wherein the Muslims shall be enabled to order their lives in the individual and collective spheres in accordance with the teachings and requirements of Islam as set out in the Holy Quran and Sunnah;
Note my italics in the text. Let’s move to Article 19, dealing with the Freedom of Speech, etc: “Every citizen shall have the right to freedom of speech and expression, and there shall be freedom of the press, subject to any reasonable restrictions imposed by law in the interest of the glory of Islam or the integrity, security or defence of Pakistan or any part thereof ...”
Further, Article 31, Islamic way of life. (1) Steps shall be taken to enable the Muslims of Pakistan, individually and collectively, to order their lives in accordance with the fundamental principles and basic concepts of Islam and to provide facilities whereby they may be enabled to understand the meaning of life according to the Holy Quran and Sunnah.
(2) The State shall endeavour, as respects the Muslims of Pakistan —
(a) to make the teaching of the Holy Quran and Islamiat compulsory, to encourage and facilitate the learning of Arabic language...;
(b) to promote unity and the observance of the Islamic moral standards; and
(c) to secure the proper organisation of Zakat ...
Given the paucity of space, this would suffice to show that the letter of the Constitution stands as Abbasi claims. Sadly, the arguments on our side have been less than convincing. Why?
Firstly, the secular-liberal is weighed down by a contradiction. On the one hand he defends the Constitution because it is the basic document and the most fundamental provision against coups d’état or any other extra-constitutional effort to hurt democracy. On the other, this basic document is riddled with vague clichés and references to Islamic injunctions without any acknowledgment of the obvious fact that the question of who is (or is not) a good Muslim is, and has been, a matter of bloody dispute throughout the history of Islam.
Take Article 31. It even talks about the absurdity of encouraging and facilitating the learning of the Arabic language, not as an exercise in language acquisition but for reasons of religious practice.
The same Article tells us that the State shall “promote unity and the observance of the Islamic moral standards”. What does that mean? At the minimum, it is an acceptance that there is no unity in the observance of Islamic injunctions, including the rituals. That being so, how will the State promote unity without weighing in on the side of one or the other way of practising Islam?
Clause ‘c’ of the article dealing with securing the proper organisation of zakat is a case in point, though not the only one. [NB: The Munir Report is the most poignant example of denominational differences.]
Another meaningless and very problematic reference in the Preamble reads: Wherein adequate provision shall be made for the minorities freely to profess and practice their religions and develop their cultures.
Given our practice, we know this to be bollocks. In fact, better and more vociferous Muslims than Abbasi are already at work to ensure denominational purity within Islam; to think they give a damn about minority rights is a joke.
Abbasi is welcome to retort that he considers sectarian to be against the practice of Islam. If so, he only rubbishes the foundation of his own argument and tries to be ahistorical. He will also then be most welcome to preach to those who are even less apologetic than him about the fact that even this Constitution is not Islamic enough and democracy is a satanic system.
Secondly, the secular-liberal needs to contextualise how, when and under what circumstances these provisions entered the Constitution. And they aren’t just the doing of the hated Ziaul Haq. They begin with the Constituent Assembly and bear the heavy footprints of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto.
This, again, is a topic needing separate treatment. But two points are important. One, the Constitution is a document bristling with contradictions. Two, accepting that the Constitution contains unenforceable provisions is not an unconstitutional exercise. Finally, the secular-liberal has to stand up with the same conviction as displayed by Abbasi and demand that the Constitution be purged of these provisions. It won’t be easy because Abbasi and his tribe will refer to democracy and the numbers in favour of these provisions. They are good at playing democracy when it suits them.
However, it’s not a hopeless situation. What I have gleaned from my learned friend Feisal Naqvi, Article 31 (one of the “Principles of Policy”) as per Articles 29(2) and 30 is pretty much expressly recognised as being useless. Second, the parsing of the Constitution into operative and clichéd provisions has already been done to a certain extent by the judiciary (e.g., the neutering of the Objectives Resolution). This needs to be done for Articles 62 and 63 also.
That is precisely the battle.
Published in The Express Tribune, April 10th, 2013.
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Before the time the Pakistan movement was initiated, to the time when Pakistan came into being, Indian Muslims were oppressed politically and socially, especially the period of 1937 to 1939. They feared losing whatever little representation they had fought for and gained over the years. The leaders who supported Partition along communal lines, inspired and motivated the Muslims to gear up and to get organized and united in the face of the British to press them not only for Independence, but to make sure that it happened according to the rights and interests of the Muslims. These leaders could not unite the Muslims on anything but the only common thing: Religion. They came up with religious slogans and rallying cries. That does not in any way imply that Jinnah had not envisioned a secular Pakistan. The Muslims of the India were way more united than we are today. If we advance with an Islamic Pakistan in mind now, what Islam would it be for? Everyone has their own version of it now. The disastrous consequences of General Zia's rule and Bhutto's islamist policies are seen today in the form of sectarian violence and religious intolerance. Shias, Ahmedis, Christians are not safe here today. The Returning Officers and nomination papers do not have the right to decide who qualifies for contesting. The constitution does, and it needs to be amended.
http://heartheliberalsing.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-peoples-republic-of-pakistan.html
@Gp65: Re: "Deceiptfully anchoring the argument in the Pakistan movement and claiming that it was a secular movement will fool no one. It should not matter what that movement was based on. You have your country now. It is upto you to make it better."
You snatched words from my mouth.
@Irfan: Ejaz Haider and his Most Modren Liberal Partners will be very much happy, if Khaiber Paktunkha Syllabus, i.e., take Islamiat out and replace with Indian later Rushdi (currently they couldn't do it) is Imposed in Whole of Pakistan.
Abbasi is just defending constitution and what every his approach toward Islamic articles/ section in constitution are!!!! isn’t he a professional and patriot journalist????
Islamic Pakistan will be better than current Pakistan.
@Raza Your ad hominen comment shows that you can neither say anything constructive nor mature enough to participate in a discussion.
Any one who thinks of being a Muslim first then a Pakistani has his wires crossed. He's right in a few things and wrong in most. Ignore him. Don't stress yourself.
People should not be asking Razi or anyone else to seek evidence of the existence of their brain. What happens is they actually find themselves having no brain at all?!
@observer: @Razi: @Hamz: @Mj:
The following links about a new book "The God Argument"might interest you gentlemen :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2013/mar/07/god-argument-humanism-grayling-review
Interview with the author:
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-god-argument
@observer
My question was in response to Javelin's attempt at being funny. So I insisted for a reason. But you chose to take me on rather than the one who initiated this; and the reason is obvious: what he said probably matched with your preconceived ideas.
As for proofs for the existence of God, I am sure you would agree that neither of us is a trailblazing philosopher with original contributions to this debte. The poofs that I would "propose" would be mostly a rehashing of the arguments presented rather elegantly by many others. And this is hardly the forum to do that. Since you appear to belong to the Dawkins camp, and probably have read his work on this subject, let me suggest a brilliant rebuttal by Keith Ward titled "Why there almost certainly is a God".
@Mj
The second part of the comment above applies to you as well. As for evolution, first, the way the theory of evolution is presented has its detractors and that too in the academic world. While there may not be much disagreement on the fact of evolution itself, the Darwinian explanation is not a "fact" but a theory. And it depends on your interpretation of revealed texts whether they agree or disagree with any explanation of evolution.
@Razi:
The idea that you have to see something in order to believe in it’s existence is infantile to say the least.
If that is so, then, why did you insist on seeing the brain before believing its existence. Then you should have said that you have not seen your brain but yet believe in the existence of the brain.
Now that we agree that there are 'proofs' other than the visual for the existense of something. What 'proofs' do you propose to 'prove' that the 'Almighty' exists in the same sense that a brain (seen or unseen) exists? And no 'Leap of Faith', please.
@Razi:
It is not necessary to see something to come to a conclusion that it exists, I agree. We have not seen or observed dark matter but we know that it has mass and observed its effects. You are arguing for the existence of a divine power. What evidence have you seen or observed which led you to ascertain his existence? The fact of evolution alone disproves the creation of human pair as is told in revealed texts.
follow the example of India.Look at their economy despite poverty due to population.look at benefits of secularism,democracy .growing religious tolerance. Should we follow the model of Muslim countries,where dictators rule?
@ Mj, kajamohideen, observer
You people are evading the question. I am asking about actually seeing his brain. Your leaps of faith are just plain funny. If I start getting into pure reasoning, you people will make more leaps of faith to argue your case. The idea that you have to see something in order to believe in it's existence is infantile to say the least.
@Mj Look around you. You'll see soon enough.
@Hamz:
"only the enlightened can see the existence of the Almighty. You obviously are not among them. I pity you."
Please share the evidence so I too can see His existence, and be saved. I met martians yesterday, and you have to take my word for it. Alas, they were camera-shy so I have no documented proof.
@Pseudo liberal: {Refer to the recent survey by BBC which found that majority in the country want shariah law} That's pure emotional blackmail. Even if I am asked to choose between Islamic or Non Islamic system will choose the former. If you want a true referendum, you must spell out the actual / practical implications. In this case Taliban rule 1996~2001 will serve as a good example. Don't ask if you want Sharia or not. Simply ask if they agree with the following: 1. Girls should not be educated beyong Class 5. 2. There should not be any barber shops. 3. Beard keeping should be compulsory. 4. No CD / DVD shops. 5. No female newscasters. 6. No movies / dramas depicting pre marriage romance. 7. All High Courts / Supreme Court to be replaced with Qazi courts. 8. No employment / business activity for women. 9. Certainly no women working in fields. Not possible with Head to Toe coverage. 10. Public punishment for less than full body coverage dress. 11. And of course there is no concept of Democracy in Islam. 12. Pious Muslims like Ansar Abbasi to nominate a Khalifa. 13. No woman to go outside without brother / husband / father. 14. No treatment / medical consultation of women by male doctors. (Strictly speaking your voice should not be heard by Na Mehram) 15. Football to be played with trousers. 16. Definitely no games for women. 17. And the list goes on and on.................................. And lastly no one should be allowed to pick and choose. (Otherwise you are agreeing to Ijtehad whose doors have been closely shut by our clergy). Accept full package or continue living as you are presently living without any grandiose ideas about Sharia enforcement. We can never / ever win any argument in abstract terms. Who so ever throws around a term {Islamic Ideology / Enforcement of Sharia} without concrete examples starts on a winning note. You just have to see some comments above.
Moderator ET> Please publish. One needs to spell out the stark implication and remove cover of ambiguity.
@TrueSecular: " there IS a conflict between islam and secularism."
Secularism says that the state should treat all citizens equally without caring about their religion. Are you saying that Islam does not believe in treating people of other religions equally? If you say yes, fine. If you do not then perhaps you really do not understand secularism.
the priority should be to help Pakistanis develop a stronger future and to do that they will need to move away from this 'mullah mindset' and embrace education, evolution and elections - Islam is meant to develop us not stagnate us and make us into unquestioning sheep and goats
@TrueSecular: Respectfully, you seem to be confusing secularism with atheism
@True secular I agree with what you say. Islam says religion should be a way of life and not just a belief to be kep aside from everyday life. So if your liberal beliefs teach you the contrary, look for a new Faith.
@javelin @mj only the enlightened can see the existence of the Almighty. You obviously are not among them. I pity you.
appreciate ur sincere efforts ejaz haider.. people like mr abbasi needs to be response in the same coin .. its absurd to see people like him coming to tv with irritating stories. he already did alot of damgae.. what i sort out is ?? our constitution of the country needs serious amendments... when we talk about good muslim ?? who will define him and what would be the oral standards ? ayt one stage we believe in practicing the principles of islam and at other we talk for freedom of speech and minorities.. what i am noticing is this constitution not represents the real picture of islam.. God bless pakistan
this is not journalism......when you single out and name people... you oppose a view you give a counter argument...unfortunately your view is not convincing enough.... either you are confused or the ones making the constitution.....there has to be a filter to choose candidates....unfortunately to satisfy people like you....the election commission distorted the criteria to screen... they asked embarrassing questions but not real ones....like tax evasion and stuff... and thanks to people subscribing to your views... we will get the same looters and plunderers and morally sick people in the parliament....its this absence of logic and propagation of so called liberalism that continues to damage our dear home land.....not a convincing article at all... just criticism for the sake of it....:(
@Gp65: fully agreed. We should either change the mindset of the majority or live with the majority. The debate starts with the question that why should we have a liberal state, not Islamic. The constitution is neither secular nor Islamic. It is set with same confusion as two extremes of our nation's intellect. But the majority would not be affected that much in either case, Islamic or secular state. A state can successfully be run by adopting one of these choice, not a mixture of both. Either we should adopt Islam with its spirit or secularism. This is the road to salvation for the people. There is no harm in living in a secular state either. Remember, the questions would be asked from us not from Pakistan on the day of judgement. The questions about what did you "do" for Islam and humanity, not how successful you were. Living in Islamic or secular state would not matter.
Cheema,
Ansar Abbasi is not the state. It is more likely, he is an external state that has a lot of oil money.
Poor Mr Sangsar! First he loses in Raymond Davis case and now this one. He will never learn! But fully respect his right to prove himself wrong - again and again!
Liberal intelligensia is making the same mistake as politicians and the army: assuming they know what is best for masses and the country. If they can come down from pedestal of self righteousness, they would see that ordinary pakistanis want this kind of constitutional filters. But who cares what ordinary Pakistanis want?
@Razi:
How do you know that you have a brain? Have you seen it?
Well, if not one's own one can see someone else's brain and be reasonably sure that 'Brain' does exist, even if one can not see one's own.
So, have you seen someone else's 'Almighty' to reasonably believe in its existence?
@Arifq: Ansar Abbasi is THE STATE.
@waqar khan: Did Erdogan made any changes to Turkey? His wife keeps her scarf away when it comes to stately appearances. Secularism is not Atheism.
@Feroz, everything you have said can be accomplished only by renouncing islam. Unless the muslim majority of Pakistan renounce islam then there is no possible way to stop attributing sovereignty to Allah.
Very good article. Only the writer has mentioned about the neutring of Objectives Resolution by the judiciary. Initially, Objectives Resolution was not operative as it was embodied in the preamble of the Constitution only. Since the Preamble is not considered operative part of a statute, the courts held that Objectives Resolution was not operative part of the Constitution. But the situation was reversed by making it sustantive part of the Constituion in terms of Article 2A of the Constituion. Hence it is now substantive part of the Constitution, operative and enforceble by the courts.
Poor articles .. another confuse attempt to support secular ideas. Ansar Abbassi is 100% right in his stance.
@Razi: If you want to see your own brain just visit the nearest MRI or CT scan unit.
Rgds
@Razi:
"How do you know that you have a brain? Have you seen it?"
A brain can be observed in a living person using a tool of scientific technology called MRI. It can also be seen by removing the skill of the deceased. Answer Javelin's question instead of beating around the bush.
@Javelin
How do you know that you have a brain? Have you seen it?
I don't know why ET would not allow most of my comments to be published,I try to maintain a level of decency,may be it is ET's policy to only publish things which fall within the defined parameters,that is no freedom of expression.I would like to differ with Ejaz Haider on the basic premise of this battle he intends fighting tooth and nail as a liberal secularist or a secular liberal.If our elected representatives are unable to delete those few lines painstakingly highlighted by the author in italics than we have to look at the cause and not the effect.peoples will and sentiment does not allow the legislature to delete those lines,that is why ZAB and ZIA are found on same side of the fence.ZAB took some epoch making constitutional measures which may put him in the list of fundamentalists of present time,was playing to the gallery or there something basic about people of Pakistan? Can Ejaz Haider and his cohorts change the Pakistani Mindset by writing few Op Eds and brandishing the secular swords in Talk Shows.History and culture take centuries to make inroads into collective psyches of people and nations.By the way how many secular candidates have been disqualified by the ECP due to these words in italics? Musharraf,Sharif Brothers,PPP stalwarts,Ch brothers,even Imran Khan,are they growing beards?Turky and Egypt vehemently adopted secular ideology for four or five decades but people got fed up throwing up likes of Morsi and Erdogan,good governance has nothing to do with secularism or religiosity but good leadership.Pakistan may be heading for the time of better leadership,wait and watch,it is matter of thitry odd days now!!
@SM: Irony is that Indian Muslims are more protected than Pakistani Muslims.Indian constitution is truly secular constitution.
Good article, but the whole debate reminds me of what Winston Churchill once said on India (before the partition) that it was a "nation exchanging banalities with itself"
@Mohammad: according to QeA Jinnah, we should first go to Temple, then to Mosque, then to find any other worship places and finally do our business. in this way we can prosper our country.
Don't you find it comical how the Express Tribune fights for "freedom of speech" yet moderates its own comments section? Now to be fair, every newspaper has a moderator to deny comments which are vile and abusive. But this is clearly not the case at the Express Tribune. Over a span of a year, I've noticed (like many others) that the moderators will only approve comments which they agree with or fit the narrative of the column/article in question. On many occasions I've attempted to voice my opinion on certain controversial subject matters on the Express Tribune, but to my surprise my comments were almost never posted. NO, I did not use profanity or insulting language. The only crime I did was I did not agree with them. But what's interesting is not who they restrict from posting, but who they allow to post so freely. Indians (who commonly disguise themselves as Muslim Indians or Pakistanis) have a free hand to abuse, ridicule and insult Pakistan and Pakistanis left, right and center on almost all Express Tribune articles. It should beg the question, what in the world is the Express Tribune?
Kindly forward this also to Mr. Sultan Lakhani and family...
If you allow religion to enter the political part of life, this is the confusion that cannot be avoided. No two Muslims will agree on what is Islam. When are we going to learn this simple truth? We are already quite late.
Who is Ansar Abbasi? Why does he show up on all TV channels and given prime time appearances? What are his personal achievements to warrant this kind of media frenzy? Think about it, Zara Sochiay!
The Pakistan Constitution does not seem to be a document of Law which it is meant to be, but a folly of Human delusion.
"Whereas sovereignty over the entire Universe belongs to Almighty Allah alone, and the authority to be exercised by the people of Pakistan within the limits prescribed by Him is a sacred trust "
These are assumptions and perception not based on reality but on Faith. Firstly the World does not belong realistically to any Faith so in reality neither Pakistan nor Muslims can hand over World sovereignty to anyone --- Allah, Jesus, Buddha included. Neither can non Muslims have the delusion to hand over something not belonging to them to an imaginary figure either.
The World will be in utter violence and chaos if every individual belonging to some Faith, perceives the World being the property of their Faith, can be handed over and ruled by their Diety alone.
Another delusion which has seeped in due to recklessness is "Wherein the principles of democracy, freedom, equality, tolerance and social justice, as enunciated by Islam, shall be fully observed". Democracy is a development of Civil society that came centuries later, for Heavens sake !
Our ideals and dreams simply cannot be the basis of a Legal document that binds people together and governs the Nation through rule of Law. A Constitution must have crystal clarity such that not a single Provision and Article should be in contradiction of each other, neither should there be room for imagination and interpretation.
Sorry folk for being so straight forward and blunt, we live in the real World not the reel world.
Dear Ejaz Haider, Do you think it's worth wasting precious space, for Mr. Ansar Abbasi?
@Firaaq: How do you know that there is an almighty? Have you seen him or her?
If the constitution does not support what you are saying and the majority of population too does not support what you are saying, you cannot implement these changes through the legislative process. What you have to undertake is social reform. Tell people that they can have full freedom to practice Islam in their personal lives but governing according to just one faith has not resulted in positive outcomes within the country and hence should be reviewed.
This will be a long term project just as working against dowry or female feticide would be for India or the route that sati abolition took in India. Where a small minority has to work to change the mindsets of the majority.
You could succeed but you would have to stop lying to yourself that majority of people are moderate or that Jinnah promised a secular country based on Aug 11 speech when in fact the whole Pakistan movement was run around the Pakistan ka mailable Kia slogan. Say what you want today and why you want it and how it would beneift Pakistan and Pakistanis. Deceiptfully anchoring the argument in the Pakistan movement and claiming that it was a secular movement will fool no one. It should not matter what that movement was based on. You have your country now. It is upto you to make it better.
@Firaaq, I have the right to call munafiq a munafiq. Don't like it? tough. Oh and mind your own business instead of telling me what rights I have haha
@TrueSecular: I can and will. You need to learn that you HAVE NO RIGHT to cast people out of the world if Islam. The almighty reserves that right. Minding ones own business is a great policy. Try it sometime.
Abbasi's points include his firm belief in ideology of Pakistan. Some questions to consider:
Who is a Muslim? Who is a "good" Muslim? Who decides these issues? Is ideology of Pakistan a constitutional or even religious obligation forced upon its citizens? If Hindus, Christians and Sikhs can practice their religion freely, why doesn't the state protect them from freewheeling mobs of allegedly "good" Muslims? Why does the constitution bar them from high office? liberal and secular: do these terms mean what they do in established democracies of the world? do the liberals and secularists have a vision of tolerance and equality for all faiths or is it just a version of Islam they are fighting for?The likes of Ansar Abbasi are really enjoying their situation. They clearly know that nobody can point a finger towards them, because a large majority of population is backing their mindset. They know that if Ayaz Amir utters one irregular sentence, there are thousands if not millions of qadris waiting to make him an example to all liberals.
@amir jafri: One can only pity you and your flights of fancy. Why don't we start doing something worthwhile with the few billions of Muslims that we have before adding more stock to the cooking pot . God is diseappearing from Europe and soon all organised religion shall disappear from most of Europe with the notable exception of immigrant ghettos. Wake up, smell the coffee or the cowdung depending on where you wake up.
Best thing about constitution is that it can always be changed via a process defined in the constitution. Sadly, a right wing majority assembly will not have the guts to touch these clauses.
Religion and State - What did Jinnah say ?
Here are couple of lines from the Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan August 11, 1947
" You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State".
I suggest that for all those contributors who are bashing liberals need to reflect on Jinnah's standing.
Mr. Ejaz, it is not matter of contradiction. Lets just this matter from purely worldly point of view, not from religious angle. Isnt it a issue of good governance? Isnt it an issue of ethics?
How can a person who is constantly drunk, engages in gambling and womenising can govern properly?
Isnt true that our elected officials engage in corruption to cover their foreign gambling and driking trips?
So what is wrong with making sure that people who run for office are free from such problems?
Ejaz sahib, if you want to counter Ansar Abbasi's arguments, you need to get your opinion/ arguments published in Urdu news media outlets. You are preaching to the choir here about the fallacies in Abbasi's arguments.
The war of ideas has to be fought through the Urdu press. This is where the masses get their orientation and anyone hoping to change the mindset cannot remain cocooned up in the English press which barely reaches 2-3% of the population.
Actually, the constitution itself must be purged. We need a new Constitution, just like Kenya or Thailand.
The State of Pakistan was created for a reason. The reason was to protect the Muslims of India from the onslaught of Hindu economic and cultural domination in a free India. Under a "one man, one vote" system of government, there was a real fear on part of the Muslims of the subcontinent that Islam would be in danger faced with a mortal enemy that was intent on taking revenge for the 1000 years of rule on the majority case Hindus.
Islam in danger was the rallying cry that led to the creation of Pakistan. When asked by foreign correspondents about the constitution of Pakistan, the Quaid e Azam replied that we do not need a constituition since our constitution was already created 1400 years ago.
Whilst the liberal portion of our society is always quick to harp on the 11th August 1947 speech, they forget the numerous speeches made before and after this one particular speech that has all the liberals in Pakistan wanting to be a "secular" state.
It is really saddening to see us arguing on the Objectives Resolution which was inspired by the thoughts of the Quaid e Azam and passed by the first Constituent Assembly of Pakistan in 1949, under the guidance of then Prime Minister Nawabzada Liaquat Ali Khan.
There is no doubt that if these scholars actually take the time to study in detail the speeches of the Quaid they would understand the true Jinnah, not the one they now make out to be - a secular Jinnah.
@Tamaaz Khan, calm down my dear. I just want seculars to end their munafqat and accept true secularism by renouncing islam. You can't preach secularism and call yourself a muslim at the same time :D
The solution to all problems facing Pakistan is "more Islam". Give so much Islam to its people until they can handle no more.
Why is there any need to declare in a man made piece of law the glory of Islam? Surely, Islam and its followers, those who treasure Islam in their hearts have no use for man made laws to encourage the faith in Pakistan? Its ridiculous to assume that man made laws are required to protect Islam, as is the ridiculous of A Abbassi who is assuming the position of a demi god passing judgement over his fellow man.
@TrueSecular: First you commit shirk by judging peoples faith in Islam. Then you dare to preach the Islamic point of view? What a hypocrite!!!
@TrueSecular , you are indeed a true secular. Not like those confused secular liberals who say that we don't hate islam but the fact is that they do. You declared Islam problematic which ET proudly approved (no surprise).but we muslims think secularism/atheism is the problem. So you continue your struggle against islam along with you confused secular (teach them some lessons about secularism). and we will continue our struggle for islam.
Looks like the liberals want to have everything at once. To stand office in an Islamic Country, one must fulfill articles 62 and 63. Don't want to listen to what Ansar says? Renounce Islam.
What is most astonishing is the contradictions found in the behaviour of the secular liberals. Why do they want to enforce their view on the majority of the people of Pakistan. Refer to the recent survey by BBC which found that majority in the country want shariah law. So how about a referendum on the issue of article 62? Give the people the choice.
It seems its time for us to go the way of the British and have an unwritten Constitution because in any case the rulers change it to suit their requirements and poor Pakistan is left on the wayside.
Someone can clearly discover the soul of Zia ul Haq in the people like Ansar Abbasi.
@TrueSecular: liberaloonies and secularoonies want to rule over muslims physically, intellectually and "spritually". They cannot destroy islam and muslims openly...Hence this termite approach to eat it from inside. They will accept Islam and shariah law ONLY if it comes to them via their WEST in english and french. They just have to be patient a bit; with thousand upon thousands of conversions to Islam each year in their beloved West it will happen.
After all Democracy does has its advantages. :) :)) :)))
This article is a similar piece of crap as Abbasi used to write. The author seemed lost and failed to make any point. Utter disappointment!
How can secular-liberal stand up when they are confused themselves? The first and most important step seculars need to take is to renounce islam openly and make their opposition to islam more clear. Anything less is pure munafqat. From islamic point of view Ansar Abbasi is doing nothing wrong and all the arguments you have provided can easily be shot down. When we understand that islam is the main problem (and I doubt a man of your intellect doesn't already know this) then the real battle begins.
Article 62 compliance is mandatory as per ECP website and constitution.
There is huge discrepancy in the application of article 62 which is the motto of Dr Qadari as well. Imran-khan, Perviaz Mushraf and many others stand disqualified if this is applied religiously. However, it is seen that IK papers has been accepted and even Najam sethi who himself confessed that he does not meet this article has been made as care-take CM punjab.
It is better to clear house 1st. Either remove this article or apply to every one.Elections credibility is at stake.
I think the problem with liberals is that they give up so easily and they cannot just stand up against the religious bigots as a one unit and they lose the ground to fringe elements
I think Ansar abbassi is right in his stance.