Members of the Indian Parliament expressed anger and accused that Pakistan was attempting to interfere in India's internal affairs. ILLUSTRATION: JAMAL KHURSHID
Guru was hanged last month on the charge of being part of the conspiracy to bomb Indian Parliament.
Members of the Indian Parliament expressed anger and accused that Pakistan was attempting to interfere in India's internal affairs. The two houses of Parliament passed unanimous resolutions and MPs spoke harshly about Pakistan's resolution passed on Thursday.
“The House rejects interference in the internal affairs of India and calls upon the National Assembly of Pakistan to desist from such acts of support for extremist and terrorist elements”, the resolution passed by the Indian Parliament stated.
It further stated, “The House reiterates that the entire State of Jammu and Kashmir including the territory under illegal occupation of Pakistan is and shall always be an integral part of India. Any attempt from any quarter to interfere in the internal affairs of India will be met resolutely and with complete unity of our nation.”
The leader of the Upper House Arun Jaitley , speaking on India-Pakistan relations, said, " Prime Minister, Dr Manmohan Singh, has in the past been very magnanimous to say that he is willing to walk an extra mile. After a series of these provocations, we would like to urge him that forget a mile, he should now forget walking even an extra yard.”
Expressing his verdict on the matter he further said that Pakistan was showing sympathy for terrorists attacking India so structured dialogue between the two countries should end.
“Pakistan will now have to walk extra two miles rather than our Prime Minister wanting to walk an extra mile. If we want to normalise relations, with these kinds of resolutions, normalisation of relations will not be possible," he concluded.
India’s backlash, on Pakistan’s resolution for Afzal Guru, included a counter resolution and cancelling the hockey match series between India and Pakistan.
The Hockey India cancelled the tour when they reportedly received a letter, from the Minister of External Affairs, asking them to cancel the series. Everything had been prepared for the series, including clearances from the Sports and Interior Ministries.
Sporting ties between the two countries snapped after the 2008 Mumbai attacks. While cricket remained off-limits for the Pakistanis, hockey wasn't.
Visa cancellation cannot be ruled out, though a conference on trade ties between India and Pakistan organised by think tank Indian Council for Research on International Economic Relations (ICRIER), stayed on course.
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@Gp65:
I often find that among Hindustanis, the desperation to cobble together something resembling a prestigious history means they have to grasp at different strands and try to piece them together to form something meaningful. Unfortunately you seem to have done the same thing here.
If anything, Ayub must have been surprised in 1965 at the ease with which Pakistani forces cut through Akhnoor - Hindustan's blushes were saved only by the illegal incursion into Pakistani territory. Even then, with an unguarded Lahore in front of them, Hindustanis failed to secure their objective of 'drinking tea in Lahore gymkhana'. 1971 was hardly a lesson in Hindustani strength - if anything it was just a tribute to your national duplicity and brutal policy of communal agitation; you only see it as a national victory in the absence of any other credible national victories. This is all, of course, totally off-topic, but it is upsetting that you people have so much trouble coming to terms with your own historical failures.
As for 1999, sadly the history is still too recent for you to start trying to paper it over; Kargil was indeed a massive tactical success for Pakistan, and Hindustani 'strength' was only really its ability to beg and plea every ally from Washington to Tel Aviv to intercede. So yes, you can accept it as a diplomatic victory; but you should have the dignity to avoid converting these into non-existent military ones.
History has proven that Hindustan, sadly, only really understands language that comes from the back of the hand - it has little credible military authority, so its best bet is to stick to its traditional role of whispering encouragement to Washington whenever a Pak-Hind flashpoint comes up.
Hasan
@Hasan: Musharraf left in 2008. It appears that every COAS has to find out for themselves that India is not a pushover. Ayub discovered it in 1965" Yahya in 1971, Zia during the Siachen episode and Musharraf learnt that lesson twice. First in 1999 when Pakistani army attacked without having the courage to admit it was Pakistani army and was defeated. Then his non-state actors strategy misfired due to India's response to parliament attack in Dec 2001. Kayani has restarted the cauldron again. Ceasefire violations are on an increasing trend since 2010. JeM thacohan been driven underground now openly operates once more in Pakistan and so on. No Pakistani COAS wants to learn from history it seems which is unfortunate because the conflict does not serve either country well.
@Gpteritu: Let me answer your questions one by one. India lost the only war it fought with China in 1962. There have been no wars in the last 50 years. What is the relevance to anything I said? Secondly US and Russia were not involved in the 1965 war so it is unclear what help you are talking about. Thirdly in Kargill, once India started to respond to Pakistan, it was Nawaz Sharif who wanted to stop India from fighting back and ran to Washington. Vajpayee did not ask or get any help from US or Russia. Pakistan declared unilateral ceasefire. India continued to fight saying that it would not stop until every peak was cleared. Next Siachen. What about it? India occupies it 100%. Despite many attempts Pakistan has been unable to dislodge India. Even morally Siachen belongs to India. Per agreement in 1949 LOC was NJ9842 and a thence north to the glaciers. By that definition Siachen is on Indian side of LOC and as of today India occupies it. Finally where Kashmir is concerned, as per Simla agreement it is a bilateral issue that Pakistan and India have to resolve. It appears that Musharraf was close to a evolution but Kayani has been unwilling to start from where Musharraf left. But you have tried to snatch it and not succeeded for 65 years. India will never choose war but days of Ghaznavi are gone. India will defend its land and its people if attacked.
@gp65:
That's weird, because the Kashmir Valley has seen unprecedented levels of social agitation over the past few summers - but according to your analysis, Islamabad was so scared by Hindustani aggression in 2001 (ie blowing up 800 of their own men) that Pakistan reviewed its whole stance on the Kashmir issue. If they cut off support over 10 years ago, why the unrest in 2010 and 2011?
Basically it looks as though you have two options: either accept that modern-day protests in Kashmir are the genuine will of the people, or, if like most Hindustanis you prefer to indulge in your obsession with ISI conspiracies, just accept the fact that like most of the world Pakistan doesn't take Hindustani 'sabre rattling' particularly seriously. The choice, as always, is yours.
Hasan
Amazed at how many Indians are obsessed at prowling Pakistan websites. Most Indian comments shows their warped mindset & inability to live side by side. I for one think it is time to call off all kinds of relations with Bharat. They have no relations to show for us , Nepal, Bangladesh , Sri Lanka or China. Talk about living in the neighborhood with the Banyiya menace !
@gp65:
My mistake. Lok Sabha could have been less childish, more authoritative & less reactionary, more proactive. Last it was so only during PVN Rao's days when he was the PM/Leader of the House..
@gp65: Text box analysis from your end ,if India was winning then why american/russian help?
India ever won any war even with China ?
What about kashmir answer?
What about sia chine?
@Hasan: "Is this the same ‘outrage’ that Hindustan showed in 2001, when it mobilised its forces along the Pakistan border?"
Well the Kargill Musharraf who defended jihad even in 2001 in Agra signed a ceasefire agreement in early 2003 and started to think about 'out of box' solutions for Kashmir. How do you think the transformation occurred? Yes it was due to the mobilisation brought on by Parliament attack in December 2001 that lasted for 7 months. But you are probably correct that Congress and MMS are far too toothless to take necessary measures.
@Rakib: Trust you to establish false equivalence by comparing the venality of Pakistani parliament in supporting a convicted terrorist to the toothless COngress government. Going by your comments in Seema Mustafa's OpEd, your problem is not that the government reacted (however inadequately) to Pakistani provocation but that it reacted at all.
Pakistan should ask the body of osama bin laden from america
Couple of bodies that lack the resolve to solve anything feel happy with passing resolutions. That is good. Shouting in parliaments is much better than shooting across LoC. May Houses of both pass daily Resolutions against each other & feel content.
@Anand Karim: "Finally why the Indian prime ministers ran to russia in 1965 and usa in 1999, simply because India was losing on both times"
Indian PM rushed to USA in 1999? I did not know Nawaz Sharif was an Indian PM. Pakistan declared UNILATERAL ceasefire. Vajpayee said Indian action would not stop until every single peak had been cleared.
Now come to 1965. Are you aware that India was in possession of more Pakistani territory than Pakistan possessed - that too when Pakistan had the element of surpise on its side since Pakistan started the war? The proposal of ceasefire did not come from India. In fact Shastri was criticized in India for agreeing to the ceasefire. In any case, a person who starts the war is considered to have won if they achieved their objective and lost if they failed to achieve their objective regardless of any territory gained by either side. USSR is considered a loser in its Afghanistan war - not because Afghanistan won some land in USSR but because it failed to accomplish its objective. Same thing with USA in Vietnam. By the same token, Pakistan failed to achieve its objective in 1965 despite starting the war hence it lost the war.
LOL...time for all of Pakistan to start shivering in fear again.
Is this the same 'outrage' that Hindustan showed in 2001, when it mobilised its forces along the Pakistan border? If I remember correctly, they blew up around 800 of their own men and then called off the assault. Hmm, scary stuff.
The real outrage here is that Pakistan did not shut down the bilateral gestures itself - the Hindustani hockey team visit should have been cancelled by Islamabad, or better still the team should have been taken into custody in Pakistan so we could make an example of them. Hindustan should spend less time making impotent gestures of false confidence and more time worrying about the domestic popularity that Afzal Guru had among the repressed Kashmiris in IOK.
Hasan
Why majority of Indians reference Times of India? Is this bible of all credible facts ? Can they tell me as per the partition agreements all majority Muslim areas were supposed to be part of Pakistan- so what happen in the case of Kashmir?
Finally why the Indian prime ministers ran to russia in 1965 and usa in 1999, simply because India was losing on both times
Please see an excellent piece ' Kashmir: the elephant in the room ' in the Pak Tea House website
http://pakteahouse.net/2013/02/26/kashmir-the-elephant-in-the-room/
@Lala Gee: Do you something eye surgery in Pak? heard about LASIK the laser surgery?
@MKAIND: Go through below link as well to find out whats happening exactly at Indian side of J&K on Pakistan's resolution.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Uproar-in-JK-assembly-over-Pakistan-resolution/articleshow/19003374.cms
@MKAIND: Instead of making lame statements, support your statements with some credible source.
@MKAIND: The 600000 people are not in the valley where people live. They are on the LOC to prevent infiltration from Pakistan.this is apost Kargill situation and was not in place for the first 50 years post independence. Also there was no insurgency for the first 40 years until Pakistan started directing the jihadis jobless from Afghan jihad to Kashmir. These were paid fighters not indigenous people of Kashmir and hence are appropriately described as terrorists.
@MKAIND: Ask a Muslim in India if you want a new state That has been done around 66 years back.. A separate homeland for Muslims demanded & British India got partitioned. Many died not for Pakistan,but because of Pakistan. Muslims in India are not treated in the same way as Hindus. Shias & Ahmedis are safe here. 600k plus army As long as threat from border exists..they remain stationed.
@Penesis: This work well in your country where many politician made their career through anti pakistan remarks and where support for any good will toward pakistan is considered as a treason
Apparently there is only one thing that can bind Pakistani's together - Anti-India remarks. Provoke with the Muslim ideology and lament on Indian secularism. Pls go through the below link to find out the fact about Kashmir and its current situation at both sides of the border.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekDWIY53Uto
Since elections are approaching, the current Pakistani government to churn up votes had thrown this jargon.
@Arijit Sharma: Ask a Muslim in India if you want a new state for yourself their answer would be YES and ask a muslim in pakistan if you want to move to India and answer would be NO
Lets be honest here Muslims in India are not treated in the same way as Hindus. Few high rank positions does not justify the overall picture.
If Kashmiries wanted to be with India - Trust me you would not have 600k plus army there...
It is about time we wake up, we have been sleeping all along when Kashmir was bleeding for the past decades.. now we are becoming Kashmir.
People of Pakistan wake up and rise.. innocent people are being hanged by our neighbours...
Pakistan has never to interfere in any other countries' confidential matters and also never has to allow the other countries most especially importantly USA and India to interfere in Pakistan's extremely confidential matters.Guru's death sentence is Indian government's confidential matter and Pakistan has not to interfere in this India's internal matter and has to protect its own internal confidential matters from the interference of the other countries.....
How insane india's are, they so worried about a one resolution passed by Pakistan against illegal execution of Afzal Guru and …it's not internal matter it's a matter of Illegal Occupation of Kashmir by Indian's which should be resolve by resolution of United Nation…which give the right to every Kashmiri to choose his fate . And then why India is so concerned about Gwadar port which is obviously internal matter of Pakistan and other investment made by China in Srilanka and in Bangledash Ports ..Think about it first before point finger towards Pakistan.
Pakistan has nuclear bombs and they will be the first to use nuclear bombs in an event of a nuclear war.. suppose if a missle fired from india how you people know whether it is nuclear one or non nuclear one and what gurantee india wont use it first.
@Indian: Pakistan asking Indian Government to do something for Afzal Guru a or his family is tantamount to support for a terrorist and indicating that he is a Pakistan's prtege. Indian Government is right in being outraged. It again shows that Pakistan is a supporter of the terrorists who want raise mayhem in India and kill as many Indians. Pakistan deserves condemnation from the world for this support to Afzal Guru.
@Pak: "We know you’re suddenly starting to feel really strong and confident with America backing you. Dont try to put a mask on who you really are."
You surrendered like brave, fair skinned, beef eating, martial men in 1971, when America sent a nuclear missile to deter India.
So, I don't understand your point.
@Lala Gee:
"We don’t care and don’t want any kind of relations with India until it ends the illegal occupation of Kashmir. "
There you go! Thats the spirit!
I fully support your asking for Kashmir, especially with the fact in mind that we have it and we are not giving it up.
Its been 65 years. Pakistan going South and India ascendency to the top makes this Kashmir obsession very costly indeed for Pakistan. Something a Pakistani-hater would want.
Good that I am not one of them. But, I do support your aspirations. I aspire to travel in time, but I am sure you support my aspiration in return.
Planning to go to Kashmir for the Summer. I heard its beautiful there.
@RafiKa Dooggie: what crazy books of history you read back there
@Raj786 notanki: you and your obsession with us Pakistanis
@Pak: And who won and who lost the last four India-Pakistan wars, and how are things going in East Pakistan these days?????
@Lala Ghee: yes India is doing very well but look at the size of your country and 1.2 billion people. 20% of world population lives in India so we can expect some output from there... Country progression should not be measured by entertainment industry ....
You Indians are actually getting really annoying. You're just insecure little cowards behind computer screens. We know you're suddenly starting to feel really strong and confident with America backing you. Dont try to put a mask on who you really are. Well all know you're cowards, so don't get too brave.
People on both side of border... please clam down... its election time both countries so expect these sort of comments, these are comments are for public consumption.. so have a chill and have a cold glass of lassi !!!
@Indian:
I am supporting your Verdict that Afzal Guru's Body should be handed over to Family. Denying this shows our Govt's ill mentality.
@All Indians:
I am also a patrotic Indian. But that does not mean that I should support all the activities carried out by GOI. Please note that Afzal Guru never handled any weapons to attack Indian Parliament and hence he is not a Terrorist.
Vaalga Tamil (Long live Tamil). Vazharga Tamil.
@Indian: " ... Pakistan did exact the same thing that we would do if we were in Islamabad. ... "
Lets examine the Pakistani claim on Kashmir. Do the Pakistanis have a historic claim on Kashmir. No I think. Why ? First, before 1947, there was no Pakistan and therefore no Pakistani history. Now if the discussion shifts to religion, there are more Muslims in India + Bangladesh than in Pakistan. Ergo, religion can not be a basis of claim on Kashmir.
If the claim shifts to "race", the populations in and around "Kashmir" in both India and Pakistan are "equidistant" racially from the population in "Kashmir".
For Pakistan "Kashmir" is all about water.
Strategically, India is doing the right thing. Keep Pakistan all tied up over "Kashmir".
@Lala Gee:
The God particle, Higgs Boson is named after an Indian scientist Satyan Bose.
Here is India contribution to Hadron Collider which "found" this God particle: "India successfully supplied items like superconducting corrector magnets-sextupoles (MCS), decapoles (MCD) and octupoles (MCO); mechanical systems, namely precision magnet positioning system-jacks (PMPS-jacks); accelerator protection system-quench protection heater power supply (QPS), quench detection electronics (QDE) and control electronics for high current circuit breakers; vacuum system-vacuum system design for long beam transport lines for beam dumps; cryogenics-large capacity liquid nitrogen tanks and test facility for testing of Sc magnets at 4.2 K; engineering studies-analysis of cryogenic distribution line interconnects and test and analysis for magnets along with necessary technical documentation; and so on."
@Indian: I did read it. The reaction would nevr have come if Pakistan had not interfered in the matter of Afzal Guru who is an Indian citizen and hails from Srinagar and was living in Delhi at the time of the attack. In any case your point was about what was wring wth asking about the dead body and I responded. I responded not because I thought you were Indian - since your other posts make it clear you are deliberately misrepresenting yourself. I do not say this to people simply because they disagree with me. There are many Indians on these board that I often disagree with but I cannot believe that any Indian is in any doubt about where th 26/11 terrorists came from. It is not just Indian media but Pakistani government which accepts that the 10 who came on boats on 26/11 were Pakistani. Only a Pakistani zaid hamid fan could make the statement you did
@Bilal Afzal: " @gp65: IF people of AJK is your internal matter why not u plan a visit of AJK without visa ?? Go Try it buddy someday :)"
Afzal Guru was a resident of Srinagar not Mirpur. Please update your knowledge.
@Shouvik Mukherjee:
"If Pakistan is so worried about its ” brotherly ” Muslim bodies being returned to their families, then why did it refuse to accept the bodies of its own NLA soilder’s bodies during Kargil?"
Excellent point! It exposes the Pakistani establishment's hypocrisy and crocodile tears for Afzal Guru. What the Establishment does not realize is that it is shooting Pakistan in its own foot. Pakistan's economic, political and social welfare all depend on living in peace with its neighbors especially with India, a country that is 12 times lager economically. Pakistani establishments confrontational attitude will only accelerate the collapse of an already sick Pak economy, also with terrorism getting even more boost. Indians, instead of criticizing Pak, should actually welcome such stupid attempts at self-inflicted wounds that will ultimately undo the nation of Pakistan.
Indian talk holds no weight.
Nobody in the Pakistan Parliament has raised any eyebrow about the issues of obsolete textbooks and teacher absenteeism.
@Jat: If that makes you sleep well!
@gp65:
Well I don't think you read the New Delhi's resolution carefully. It essentially states that the whole of Kashmir (Pakistani Kashmir, Indian Kashmir) is integral part of India and Pakistan shouldn't talk about it (which is rubbish). Similarly Pakistan claims the whole Kashmir in its entirety. That whole claiming drama by our politicos makes the entire Kashmiri region disputed giving both the countries enough reasons to comment, pass resolutions, raise concerns about both sides. Pakistan did exact the same thing that we would do if we were in Islamabad. Similarly we should raise concerns, pass resolutions etc on anything related to Kashmiris under Pakistan control but unfortunately our own monumental human rights abuses in Kashmir make us the most guilty ones and ethically unspeakable about how Pak handles Kashmir on their side.
@Rafi Ka Deewana:
"Lalaji – dreams are what Pakistan had 65 years back which have become the nightmares for the whole world. As far as India is concerned, go back 65 years and chart the progress. Whether it is economy, academics, achievements – there is just no comparision."
Could you write this drivel (comment) only 5 years ago, just before this cursed government has taken over and undone, and put in reverse gear, all the positive achievements made till then, whether economic growth or law and order situation. Now we have already passed the worst period of our history, I'm sure the situation in Pakistan would dramatically improve with the formation of new government.
"Just in case you didn’t know, Hollywood hits and oscar-winning movies like The Help, Lincoln, The Fighter, Cowboys and Aliens, and more are co-produced by Reliance, an Ambani company. So, ideally, Indians can dream of achieving moon with confidence."
I haven't come across any Indian scientific discoveries and inventions that have revolutionized the lives of common man, or benefited the humanity in a significant way, like the western scientists, researchers, engineers, and doctors did. Real life is not mere a movie fiction, especially the intolerable sub-standard Bollywood movies. Financing Hollywood movies is hardly a national achievement.
"What is the dream of a Pakistani citizen – just have a normal human life?"
Exactly. Nothing more, nothing less (so please stop sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan, because we are not going to accept India's hegemony any way).
@Kashmiri: the power of nation is what it counts. india beheaded pakistan and created bangladesh but pakistan on the other hand even know is in a state where there is complete civil war like situation in balochistan. in the quest of kashmir pakistan might end with just kashmir it has and rest parts sheared away
@gp65: IF people of AJK is your internal matter why not u plan a visit of AJK without visa ?? Go Try it buddy someday :)
@Lala Gee:
The subtle message of unanimous Indian Parliament resolution is, "Pakistan is never going to get an inch of Kashmir come what may, forget about Siachin."
You aaka China also been claiming TAIWAN since 1949. Despite Taiwan being non-nuclear state, did China went to get it?
What Tibet is to China; Kashmir is to India. What Pakistan is to China; Afghanistan is to India.
Bigger fish eats smaller fish.
And Pakistan is NOT a big fish.
@Indian:
Whatever the judgement was – bad, brutal, unfair or fair (as they put it) – return the body to their loved ones. This is the right thing. Keep your ego where ever it fits!
That is a good suggestion. India should give all 11 bodies back, Afzal+Ajmal+9 more.
Is Pakistan ready to receive them?
@Faisal: " Mr. Nehru’s pledges on Kashmir are available everywhere.' Look a little harder and you will discover that Nehru withdrew that offer, immediately after Pakistan started joining American sponsored Baghdad Pact et al. But you won't look because it doesn't suit you.
@Faisal: That spirit long dead in Dakka in 1971. Save what ever left.
@Lala Gee: "The straight answer is, come and get it. But, would you dare? Okay, what about Moon and Sun? Aren’t they also integral part of Indian’s dreamland. By the way, no proscription on dreaming, so keep doing it at your own time and expense."
Lalaji - dreams are what Pakistan had 65 years back which have become the nightmares for the whole world. As far as India is concerned, go back 65 years and chart the progress. Whether it is economy, academics, achievements - there is just no comparision. Just in case you didn't know, Hollywood hits and oscar-winning movies like The Help, Lincoln, The Fighter, Cowboys and Aliens, and more are co-produced by Reliance, an Ambani company.
So, ideally, Indians can dream of achieving moon with confidence. What is the dream of a Pakistani citizen - just have a normal human life?
@gp65:
"I had predicted this. This achieved nothing for Afzal Guru’s family but it set the clock back on a lot of effort that had gone on whether on sporting contacts, visa liberalization etc."
And you think Pakistanis are dying for good relations with India. As long as India is illegally occupying Kashmir, there can never be good relations with India. We don't care and don't want any kind of relations with India until it ends the illegal occupation of Kashmir. Shut all kind of relations with Pakistan as you please - including trade. The resolution of the Pakistani Parliamentarians is very commendable. They have rightfully shown solidarity and commitment of the Pakistani nation with the oppressed Kashmiris held at gun point by India. We assure our Kashmiri brothers that Pakistan will never abandon them and will always voice for their rights.
@Shouvik Mukherjee: All the Pakistani soldiers who did during the Kargil were Shias recruited from Baltistan. And that is why their bodies were never re-claimed
India expresses outrage by shouting and crying and unleashing their rabid trolls on ET.
We Pakistanis are so scarred now ;)
“The House reiterates that the entire State of Jammu and Kashmir including the territory under illegal occupation of Pakistan is and shall always be an integral part of India.”
The straight answer is, come and get it. But, would you dare? Okay, what about Moon and Sun? Aren't they also integral part of Indian's dreamland. By the way, no proscription on dreaming, so keep doing it at your own time and expense.
@Foreign Leg: I agree with you
@Indian: Afzal’s body is asking by his family – if Kasab’s body is asked by his family then sure, why not? But guess what – there is no one among his family members in Pakistan who claimed. Just media stating that he was Pakistani doesn’t make him a Pakistani! We should focus on our issues rather than blaming Pakistan for everything to evade our responsibilities. . I am fairly sure that you are not Indian despite your moniker. If I as a non-Hindu can see that then I am sure everyone can.
@gp65: @Indian is a fraud, a Pakistani impersonating as an Indian; we have met him before. Best to ignore him.
I had predicted this. This achieved nothing for Afzal Guru's family but it set the clock back on a lot of effort that had gone on whether on sporting contacts, visa liberalization etc.
Those Pakistanis that claim that India has interfered in Pakistan's matters - certainly you would be hard pressed to find any statement from Indian parliament about something that happened in Pakistan. India never interfered even when a temple was razed down or Rinke Kumari was raped and forcibly converted.
@Vectra : Idia has never threatened use of nuclear arms and never will. India's declared policy is no first strike. It is Pakistani politicians, and defence analysts that keep refer to the atmy taaqat all the time in an irresponsible manner. India should never do that.
@Indian : Afzal Guru's family or people in J&K asking for the body is internal dialogue within India. Pakistan parliament getting involved in a matter related to a convicted terrorist is just completely unacceptable. Earlier Rehman Mallik had made statementsasking India to ensure protection of Shah Rukh Khan who never claimed he was unsafe. This ongoing interference in matters of Indian citizens by Pakistani parliament and executive is unacceptable.
Great work done by our parliament. Kashmir never was part of India, never would it be. Never belonged there. Pakistan must not back off from raising its voice in support of Kashmiri people. I don't know how can Indians say its their integral part when Mr. Nehru's pledges on Kashmir are available everywhere.
@Shouvik Mukherjee: So that's what your media tells you? Good - feel proud now!
@farhad:
Afzal's body is asking by his family - if Kasab's body is asked by his family then sure, why not? But guess what - there is no one among his family members in Pakistan who claimed. Just media stating that he was Pakistani doesn't make him a Pakistani! We should focus on our issues rather than blaming Pakistan for everything to evade our responsibilities.
@Indian: Your comment would have made sense in an Utopian world, but what about the regular Kool-Aid that the separatists drink from their regular visits? . I do wish that Guru's family was flown to Delhi for his execution and I also wish that the victim's families were present too. I fell that the execution was botched, but the sentence was correct and the last thing that India wants is a person's body being carried around in a valley where Indian's cannot own one square foot of land.
@Santosh dahkun: you need some history lessons... When and where kashmiries demanded to join India... and what about assam independence fight? And india role in empowering tamil tiger? India role in 1971 bangladesh and 1984 sia chine issue You guys need to stop poking nose in other country issues....
If Pakistan is so worried about its " brotherly " Muslim bodies being returned to their families, then why did it refuse to accept the bodies of its own NLA soilder's bodies during Kargil?
@Vectra: What a catastrophic conclusion you have arrived at. Only the very weak and insecure can ever threaten to use Nuclear weapons and India has never succumbed to that nonsense. The stated position of India which it has expressed on every occasion is that it will never ever use nuclear weapons and has never resorted to it whatever the provocation. The weapons are only meant for a second strike if insanity provokes any country to launch a first strike against it. It is the right position given that countries status and standing in the comity of nations.
Now India Should go ahead and pass the Baluchistan Resolution in Indian Parliament.The Baloch are fighting against illegal occupation of Pakistan from 1947.Kashmir is the integral part of India and Part of state illegally occupied by Pakistan should be vacated immediately.
I completely fail to understand why Pakistans NA would pass a resolution for a convicted terrorists by Supreme Court of India, who holds an Indian passport and who attacked the parliament of India.
What reaction does NA of Pakistan expect after passing this?
what will NA of Pakistan would do, if Indian parliament started passing resolutions supporting the attacks and the attackers of Pakistans military installations or beheading of Pakistans Army soldiers by Taliban or Karanchi bomb blasts.
It all sounds pretty absurd sitting in India.
@Jat:
You are such a war mongerer man! What do you think India is the US? What can you even do to us? Nothin..! So I suggest you guys tone down your rethoric and take a chill pill. Pakistan has made a fine stand on the issue, guess you wouldnt be talking like this if someone in you family is hanged and burried without you even getting to see him..!
& Whats the resolution of Pakistans NA on the systematic prosecution & extermination of religious minorities ?
@Indian: if its the matter of handing over the body only then why not ask for the body of kasab as well??
When India occupied Kashmir, a muslim majority state, geographically, culturally and religiously a part of Pakistan, againt the spirit of the partition of india principles, it said goodbye forever to peaceful coexistence with Pakistan,
Afzal Guru was a Kashmiri freedom fighter. Like it or not, Pakistan supports the Kashmiris' right of self determination. While India has strangled every means of voicing their concerns for the Kashmiris, Pakistan will continue to raise its voice against Indian atrocities in Kashmir and on the innocent Kashmiri people. "Kashmir banay ga Pakistan, Insha Allah"....AZAADI IS OUR FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT.........INDIAN ARMY GET OUT OF KASHMIR
We don't learn our lessons at all, unfortunately. I agree with some of the comments above that we mustn't keep poking India from time to time. It doesn't work for us....the earlier we realize this, the better for us. This exercise of taking any foreign country in our neighbourhood lightly, must stop. We had been doing it for far too long...and suffering because of that...
Why our members r discussong this useless in parliament? We r enough here in pak website to answer
@vectra, Hold on to your horses..Just because a resolution was passed by indian government showing their indomitable will to assert territorial claims does not mean they are ready to go for nuclear war as per your stupid imaginations.. Pakistan has nuclear bombs and they will be the first to use nuclear bombs in an event of a nuclear war..First those MPs are too wealthy and all ready living in luxury their forefathers dreamed and do you think they will lose that life ?. Do you want to die instanty or later from radiation..I know pakistan will be annihilated but india some parts may survive..So what ?..Will you like to live in that India where most of the country is damaged ?.. Our fathers,grandparents have shown patience without losing a grip on any part of indian territory ..So show some patience and think out of the box solution like fifth generation warfare using diplomatic,economic muscle.
All the steps taken by India for normalizing relations between the two countries have gone down the drain by beheading of Indian jawan and resolution passed by NA of Pakistan. On the contrary, India refrained from interfering in internal matters of Pakistan even during the times of Hindus exodus from this country to India. A lot of discussion is going on various Indian TV channels that Indian Parliament should declare Pakistan as a terrorist country and stop futher peace talks. Hockey matches have already been cancelled and cricket would be the next casuality. Why can't Pakistan change its self-destructive policies and persue the policy which would bring peace and prosperity for both countries ??
“The House reiterates that the entire State of Jammu and Kashmir including the territory under illegal occupation of Pakistan is and shall always be an integral part of India. Any attempt from any quarter to interfere in the internal affairs of India will be met resolutely and with complete unity of our nation.”
Very tough stand from India and the above statement clearly says India is the undisputed owner of entire J&K and any country who tries to interfere in J&K will be met with disastrous triad i.e diplomacy,military and nuclear forces.That's what the statement meaning being conveyed.Pakistan should back off and forget kashmir even pakistan nuclear weapon cannot change India's stand neither deter and in few more year cannot touch India,India will go for a nuclear war if needed.
All indicators leading towards something big boiling up.
Diplomatically, why Pakistan wants to commit a suicide? Why poke India for no reasons, especially when Pakistan itself can be exposed in 10 different ways? Beats me.
And the crying just started again from India. They can interfer in any neighbouring country but cant take if the brutality within the country is condem by some other country
cry me a river
“The House reiterates that the entire State of Jammu and Kashmir including the territory under illegal occupation of Pakistan is and shall always be an integral part of India. Any attempt from any quarter to interfere in the internal affairs of India will be met resolutely and with complete unity of our nation.” I hope Pakistan gets this message.
Hor chuppo!!! :D
Good, but not good enough. We want more concrete action from the Indian government. Mere words wont do... call off the composite dialogue at the very least. How dare they interfere with the functioning of our courts and judicial system ?
Why the outrage? What is wrong with Pakistan asking Indians to give back the body of a person to his loved ones for proper burial? Somebody has to ask the for it if we keep being arrogant about it?
New Delhi is making this issue as if it has never interfered in any other country's internal matters ever. The Government of India should not be egoistic here. Whatever the judgement was - bad, brutal, unfair or fair (as they put it) - return the body to their loved ones. This is the right thing. Keep your ego where ever it fits!
Apropos the Indian Parliament's reiteration of the status of the entire state of Jammu and Kashmir as an integral part of India, India has handed a demarche to High Commissioner of Pakistan in India requiring a "no objection certificate" from India for any major civil works undertaken by Pakistan in that part of the state now illegally occupied by it at present.