But how pray, did the Taliban become the force that they did, so that everyone and Charlie’s Aunt wants ‘negotiations’ with them? Things began to go very wrong when the Commando and his hamnawa (a term I prefer over Zia’s much-abused rufaqaa) — the coterie of generals closest to him — turned right on its head the time-tested way in which governments dealt with the tribes inhabiting Fata.
This they did in two-fold foolishness. First by sidelining the traditional administrators of Fata, the ‘political wallahs’: the Political Agent; the APA; the political tehsildars and their staff, and using ill-equipped and inexperienced army officers in their stead; and second by going over the heads of the tribal Maliks directly to the troublemakers.
Witness the disgraceful show put up in 2004 when a uniformed Lt General appeared at a meeting with the terrorist Nek Muhammad, unarmed at the Taliban’s insistence; while Nek Muhammad himself strode on to the stage wearing a sword and a pistol whose grip could be seen peeping through the side of his shirt. Whilst in the old regimen a political naib tehsildar should have met Nek Muhammad, here was the Corps Commander himself making a fool of himself.
As an aside, I had cautioned the Commando and his ‘hamnawa’ to please, please read just one or two of the many books written by British colonials who served in the tribal areas to learn some little thing about their mores and traditions: such as just how important appearances are in that society — off the top of my head, say The Frontier Scouts by Charles Chenevix Trench.
But no, the generals, answerable only to themselves and firmly convinced they knew/know(!) it all, went on making mistake after stupid mistake, all the while worsening matters progressively and steadily, with the quest for ‘strategic depth’ in a deeply hostile country (only our geniuses could have thought that one up) thrown in for good measure.
But back to the ambush. The argument of my fellow panellists was that because the Americans had been defeated in Afghanistan there was now no way but for Pakistan to make up to the Taliban, who were a part of the Pakistani family. With those two shouting me down, I could hardly get a word in though I did try to say that all of the TTP were not Pakistanis, that large numbers were Uzbeks and Tajiks and Chechens and even Uighur Chinese whose agenda was the takeover of the state and the start of the Global Jihad from this poor country.
I tried to say that there was no harm in negotiating but would the TTP give up the murderers of little children; the makers of the suicide jackets; the inciters of little children to commit mayhem; the axe-wielding barbarian who cut off the heads of our soldiers and appeared with the axe on his shoulder with the severed heads laid out at his feet?
I tried to say that the Taliban did NOT appear only after the American assault on Afghanistan, but here I will let a person more knowledgeable than I speak through his writings in this newspaper of record: the good Brigadier Asad Munir who served in the ISI in Peshawar for many years and knows his Fata takeover history backwards.
Here is an excerpt from his article “Allegations against the ISI” (Oct 30, 2010): “The local Taliban first appeared in North Waziristan and Orakzai Agency in 1998-99. The presence of foreign militants in Fata and their raids against coalition forces in Afghanistan, motivated people living in the tribal areas to raise a Taliban force in other agencies, in 2003-2004. The people, then at the helm of affairs, did not take this threat seriously .... Dialogues were preferred over army action. Various peace agreements, enacted between 2004 and 2006, enabled them to spread their influence to all agencies in the tribal areas.”
Again, on March 9th, 2011 he writes in “The real agenda of the Taliban”: ‘To correct the popular perception that the Taliban came to the fore in Pakistan after 9/11, in 1998 a Taliban force had appeared in the Mirali area of North Waziristan. By 1999, they were in control of Mirali and part of Orakzai Agency. Waves of Talibanisation spread... and, by mid-2000, the torching of video cassettes and TVs, considered as signs of obscenity, were a common sight in parts of K-P. After 9/11, the Taliban kept a low profile but resurfaced around 2003.”
My friends (dust in my mouth) just you wait for the Nato/US withdrawal and then see the balloon go up, with all of the Taliban guns pointed towards this poor country.
Now then, well done the PML-N government, especially the CM, for pushing through the metro-bus system in Lahore. It was needed and will do well as soon as the feeder routes are complete. Might I suggest that motor taxes be raised on all vehicles above 1300cc to discourage people from buying more cars? BTW I hope those who scuppered the import of well-made used cars know that some of the overpriced ones being manufactured locally have an ‘on’ price, i.e., that they are being black marketed?
And now a word of caution to my friend Nawaz Sharif: tread warily, sir: the TTP are not known to be men who keep their word; are cruel to a fault; are against our Constitution and democracy; are for their own brand of Sharia in a country that has various religions/sects.
BTW, it just was not you turning the President away from your home: remember the “Nawaz Sharif Zindabad” slogans from the crush of people at Naudero when you went to condole Benazir’s sad passing? I was there, as you know, and saw the moving scenes.... He should have been welcomed, and if he talked politics, could have been politely told this was neither the time nor place. It was just not you...
Published in The Express Tribune, February 15th, 2013.
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@MK:
Well I was referring to your Suggestion of 5th "state". I am myself 2nd generation Afghan born in Pakistan. My grand Parents came from Afghanistan. For people like me or 5 million or so Afghans that came after the war, home is on both sides, with Families on both sides. Border tribes are also claim territory as well relationships on both sides. Afghan government officially still does not recognize Durrand line. There is definitely resentment of both sides but most of Afghan politicians have their second homes in Pakistan and many also they keep their families and children in Pakistan.End of the day we are family and will figure our problems out. You Keep Hating.
Shafisahab, Jai Ho! When you use the pseudonym 'Commando' for my 'dearest friend' Mush, I am reminded of Harry Potter books where the villain is never mentioned by name but referred to as "he whose name is not to be taken"! However I think Mush deserves such respect because he is the biggest lier who can lie with a straight face!
@Omar Mohsin Khan: "Too early to suggest to increase motor tax on vehicles over 1300 cc. I don’t think the transport system of Lahore is as comfortable and reliable as London yet." . The Foreign Taliban Uighurs,Tajiks, Uzbeks and Chechens speak some sort of Turkish. Logic dictates, that the Turkish Bus Company will not object to any increase in motor taxes.
Just waiting to see the with drawl of NATO from Afghanistan. Surely the Talibans and Hamanawa will celebrate it as their victory gifted by God..! With what excuse will they be left to fight against the people of Afghanistan and Pakistan.! ?
Too early to suggest to increase motor tax on vehicles over 1300 cc. I don't think the transport system of Lahore is as comfortable and reliable as London yet.
The situation seems pretty hopeless. Based on everything I am reading about what politicians are saying and doing in our great country, negotiations with Taliban appear as inevitable as they are likely to be pointless. The only thing we can negotiate with the Taliban gun held to our collective head are the terms of our complete and abject surrender.
Once Americans leave Afghanistan tide will turn to Pakistan from both India as well as Afghanistan making Pakistan a sandwitche state.That would mean throwing ball in Pakistan's court to decide whether it wants to live in peace with east-west or as hostile nation.Policy makers at pentagone are far ahead of their counter part in Rawalpindi.I don't think Afghanistan after American withdrawl will be more tollerant towards Pakistan.Indian response at LOC tells us that coming events cast their shadows before.Those beating drums of defeating super powers will find their citadils of delusions scatering in air. Kudos to the author for consistancy and maturity of thoughts.
Shafisahab, It will be better if you stay with only one subject in your every article. Taliban and Lahore Bus System are not cozy co-travelers (hamnawa)
It is clear that Taliban is overwhelmingly a Pasthun movement which strides across the Afghan-Pak border . Afghan Talban when in power never accepted the legitimacy of Durand line and division of Pashtun homeland. Post withdrawal scenario you can envisage that Taliban creating a mayhem in the borderlands of Afghanistan and Pakistan. People who talk about negotiations with Taliban do not seem to understand that it is a indoctrinated , nihilistic , rigid ideology which is against civilization and modern progress.Strategic depth is going to turn out to be strategic blunder
According to me, Nawaz Sharif is a true 'Statesman' and I hope he comes to power after the forthcoming elections.
If Pakistani politicians ever start negotiations with Taliban, it will be the beginning of the end of Pakistan!
@lalai: well written.
@Jat: you just missed one commodity,if on could call them as such that is harem for each Taliban leader and all will end well.
I agree with Kamran Shafi, if Pakistan could not find the will when allied forces were there in Afghanistan to help, things are doomed. With the US and NATO out it will be time for the people of Afghanistan to pay back their debts to the Pakistani Establishment and they may do it in style. Get ready, is all I can say.
@The Khan:
SO, you say that "I have from reliable sources that CIA often used Taliban for its own goals"!!!
Please ask your "reliable sources" to give us some "examples/incidents" were the CIA "used Taliban for its own goals" so we all can read about them and judge your credibility!
So finally KS has acknowledged what I have been saying during all the years in ET: The day Americans leave Afghanistan is the day of reckoning for Pakistan. Start of the end as it exits today.
@The Khan: " ... Taliban will disappear once US led forces retreat. ... "
I hope you know that the earth is not flat ?
Taliban will disappear once US led forces retreat. The fact of the matter is there is more than meets the eye. There are a lot of intelligence agencies involved behind this insurgency and i have from reliable sources that CIA has often used Taliban for its own goals.
@Jat: “they are needed to make Afghanistan the fifth state of the Islamic Republic. We will decide on the name later on…”
I dont think they are eager to join you.
@mahmood:
Exactly same can be said about US gov and Taliban Relationship. They were hosting them in Texas before 2001 and making business deals. They are talking to them again now and even asking Pakistan to free their commanders so they can talk to them. Qatar where US has their main base has offered them a consulate/office. That happened definitely with US approval. Almost 12 years of War and now US is talking to them. India and Pakistan fought wars but still sit and talk to each other. Taliban are a reality and perhaps next rulers of Afghanistan, so talking to them is a wise decision taken by US and Pakistan.
@derp Well said... These brave warriors and champs of fighting on internet sitting in a cosy room will form an excellent "Seal Six Team".
My perception about KS as an "outspoken and impartial" writer would have never been corrected, had I not watched the "Frontline" on Duniya channel the other day where the writer was nothing else but a mouthpiece of People's Party oozing out venom against Army. He proved himself to be rather "loud and partial". Even the last two paragraphs of this article seem to be an attempt to earn goodwill of the President/co-Chairman or may be a party ticket in the upcoming elections. As regards to talks with Taliban, where I agree that Taliban should not be turned heroes by according undesired importance as in case of Nek Muhammad, I have difference with regards to military solution of the problem. The problem should be viewed in entirety and a political process has to be initiated duly backed by economic activity in which military should only be used as an instrument or a part of the wholesome strategy. Military actions cannot continue indefinitely in own country where collateral damage keeps fueling the terrorists’ agenda. Infact, in your own opinion, Army has already done lot of damage but you still want to continue with the same. Alas! Who will make the warmongers understand who are not interested in solution of the problem but in trumpeting as to who created Talibans?
@derp: So a keyboard pacifist like yourself considers your military a glorified welfare and recreation program? Get a real argument.
@derp: I suggest you guys form an anti taliban militia and fight them yourselves.
Has the mighty Pakistani Army given up, and admitted it is unable to take on the Taliban ? Once your Army does that, then your suggestion can be discussed.
@MK: Although personally I would prefer a union like Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland
Are you one of the members of the inner circle of the Quetta Shoora ? If not; then what you prefer is immaterial.
Regarding your Durrani Dreamland; no harm in thinking big; but just ask the Afghans what they think of you Pakistanis. That will give you a baseline from where you will need to begin. And then there is this small matter of American troops in five bases that will continue to provide you all, with great company.
@Jat:
"they are needed to make Afghanistan the fifth state of the Islamic Republic. We will decide on the name later on…"
Here in Pakistan we call them "Provinces" not "States" as in India. Google Durrani Empire borders and you will find that it was exactly what is Pakistan and Afghanistan combined today. Not a bad Idea. Thanks for the suggestion. Although personally I would prefer a union like Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland with a lot of Autonomy but not a province.
There seems to be a lot of opposition to negotiations from some seculars and their keyboard warrior followers. I suggest you guys form an anti taliban militia and fight them yourselves. Would be interesting to see how the courageous internet soldiers perform in the battlefield.
After WW 1 the French politician George Clemenceau is credited with saying ' war is too important a business to be left to the generals ' He possibly was very right in saying this, but in our context the expiry date for this medicine passed in the 60's. The deed is done, it can not be undone especially by the inept..............so common sense says all must put their heads together 'bite the bullet' and decide to collectively pull together, the alternative is suicide. Sir on TV political talk shows if there are more than two guest's it usually ends up being a waste of time.
I knew the writer is biased but seriously is he going senile too? Talibaan or more accurately TTP weren't even born under Zia, for crying out loud. It was your own party PPP Gen. (R) Nasrullah Babar who called them our own kids and Benazir was very enthusiastic abt them. As for "mujaheedeen" whom you like to blame on Zia too, might I remind (or accurately point out to read some history) the dear author, it was his hero Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto who tasked ISI to nurture the later day Mujaheedeen to teach a lesson to Afghanistan for continuous interference in Pakistan. I mean gimme a break we get it you hate zia, but don't distort history, also author might want to remember US was right behind setting madrassas and calling them holy warriors. Read some history would do you good. ET plz publish.
Before agreeing to talks with Taliban in principal, The Pakistan government must release all the convicted criminals from jails across the country, no one shoot shout against corruption of any kind in government, bureaucracy and the honorable judiciary should abandon all the pending cases in courts because if we can compromise as a nation on Taliban crimes, the cumulative crimes of the rest of the country are negligible.
@mahmood: What I would like to see is a truthful declaration from Pakistan Army
Stop right there !! Please read the above line, that you yourself have written, again and again until you attain enlightenment. Honestly I could not read your whole comment; this particular line kept drawing me back to it.
@Real Steel: Negotiations with Taliban is nothing but waste of time. After having suffered for so long, they should be crushed brutally without any mercy.
shh hush now; they are needed to make Afghanistan the fifth state of the Islamic Republic. We will decide on the name later on...
Author: the disgraceful show put up in 2004 when a uniformed Lt General appeared at a meeting with the terrorist Nek Muhammad, unarmed at the Taliban’s insistence; while Nek Muhammad himself strode on to the stage wearing a sword and a pistol whose grip could be seen peeping through the side of his shirt. Whilst in the old regimen a political naib tehsildar should have met Nek Muhammad, here was the Corps Commander himself making a fool of himself
KS Sahib, this is what you think; while the good general probably thought himself to be Rommel out to conquer the world. The poor chap; if only he could look beyond his nose.
Negotiations with Taliban is nothing but waste of time. After having suffered for so long, they should be crushed brutally without any mercy. They are not humans and causing damage to us.
What I would like to see is a truthful declaration from Pakistan Army clearly describing its relationship today with the Taliban. Is the Army still the Taliban's midwife/godfather, as it was during 1995-2001? Or has it completely disasscoiated itself from this murderous band of brutes? Or is the reality somewhere in between? No meaningful talks can take place with Taliban until the exact nature of the Taliban-Army relationship is known
Scientific inquiry needs evidence. I will believe the writer when he will present evidence that the brute force in dealing with Taliban is more effective than dialogue. All other things are secondary.
Fully agree with KS Sahib! Talibans only understand brute force. No use wasting time with them on negotiations for peace. They are at peace when they are fighting.
Golf club membership and one DHA plot to each Taliban fighter; and there will be peace and all round development towards a modern, progressively backward looking society.
What more do you want ?