Beheading a soldier and sending back his body is inexcusable. It is not in our culture to do something as horrific as that. No disciplined army would do that, says Musharraf. PHOTO: AFP/FILE
Former president, General (retd) Pervez Musharraf refuted allegations that the Indian soldier was beheaded by the Pakistan Army with the help of militants, reported.
In an interview to Times Now, Musharraf defended the Pakistan Army’s stand dismissing allegations that an Indian soldier was beheaded by the army with help from militants.
A visibly aggressive Musharraf, said that there has been no effort from India to maintain civilised relations.
“Beheading a soldier and sending back his body is inexcusable. However, knowing the Pakistan Army, I can say for sure that it is not in our culture to do something as horrific as that. No disciplined army would do that,” said Musharraf.
When grilled further about the army’s alleged nexus with militants, Musharraf said: “We are not mad people. Stop painting us as rogues when you yourself are not prepared to admit all the cruelty that you inflict on us. Let alone LoC, what is the logic behind kicking our singers out, sending back our hockey players?”
“The politicians, media everyone in India have a tendency to be hysterical about everything,” he added.
Published in The Express Tribune, January 19th, 2013.
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My dear so called brothers of Pakistan. We are not questioning about patriotism, you have the right and have to be patriotic to your nation. However, please introspect your thoughts and your so called great warrior of Pakistan. You need to accept the fact your people are killing your own. Terrorists and religious extremists have a major stake than anyone in your Pakistani military and it’s no more controlled by politicians or bureaucrats. 1. If Musharraf lived for Pakistan, why does he live outside of Pakistan now and scared to come back?? 2. If you still support and believe in Musharraf, then who is at fault? Government of Pakistan or Supreme Court? 3. Its agreed by Musharraf and the world that kargil was planned and executed by Musharraf to dethrone Nawaz Sherif. 4. India’s reputation for peace and satiability well renowned across the world. It’s totally up to you to agree the facts or have cataract in your eyes.
@Insaan: This video clip should be watched by all Pakistanis who keep commenting adversely on the poor plight of the Indian Muslims. The out-spoken General was put in his place, even looked stunned and was found fumbling for words to reply since he was asked to mind his own business and not meddle with Indian Muslims affairs who are better off than their counter-parts in Pakistan.
People here asking reason why India did this? To remove from Gang Rape from world & local news media, diverting the public's attention toward age-old technique of showing Pakistan as the bad guy not the rapist next door is what India does all the time. Losing little peace & business with the benefit of renewing old Pak-hatred among the masses always have worked in past. Sadly there is another fresh gang rape news now of a low-caste woman by high cast guys in-front of her family plus an endorsement of honor killing by a Hindu religious institution need a new distraction. Thanks E.T for keeping us informed.
@Recommended82:
Were you there when remains of Jemadar Nand Singh VC were desecrated by Pakistani Army? Why did you not stop the Member of Pakistan Army inflicting these injuries to a body.
Khurram; you were not there. you are just speculating or spreading rumors regards to What happened to the remains of Jemadar Nand Singh VC.
Indian Army has committed atrocities such as fake Kashmir encounter by Indian Army to get promotion of medal. These were investigated by Indian Army itself and Army officer were arrested for this shameful act.
@Akram: REALLY??? Osama was not in pak? :)
@Clear Black Bag: Just check the talk show of Mr. Nazam Sethi and many more on you tube and cowwebs in your head will be cleared
@Butt:
Indeed Musharraf is best leader Pakistan ever had.
I rest my case.
Please stop portraying India as the innocent kid around the block.
This beheading is a terrible and inhumane incident but blaming it on Pakistan is irrational. No soldier would be insane enough to risk being shot at by snipers just so they can cross into the LoC and kill an opposing army's soldier.
Use some common sense.
This incident must've been carried out by rogue elements, who could easily access the Indian side of LoC.
The TV interview clearly showed how controlled and biased the Indian media is.
People in Pakistan are at least shown both sides of the picture by their media. Unfortunately this is not the case in India. It akin to how the US media creates a terrorism hype whenever someone needs to bullied in the Middle East.
Other Truthful Statements of Gen Musharraf
A. I will be loyal to you- To Nawaz Sharif when being made the COAS superseding.Lieutenant General Khalid Nawaz Khan and Lieutenant-General Ali Kuli Khan Khattak .
B. Nawaz Sharif Hijacked my plane- When the PM was not any where near the plane.
C. The coup was not staged by me- About the coup that made him the CEO of Pakistan.
D. Kargil was done by Mujahideen- When pushing 36 NLI jawans to their death.
E. I won 99% approval- In the fake referendum conducted by him.
F. There was no deal with the Saudis involving Sharif- Ahem, Ahem.
G. I did not conspire to kill BB- While running away and hiding abroad.
Such a truthful leader of the pure.
Musharraf as always did a great job defending his country. Lots of Pakistanis are waiting for you sir as soon as election call is made.
@Raj - USA:
FYI, Musharraf has been just in India invited by Hindustus Times. So no question of getting angry on not getting visa. This was last year he was refused visa.
Yes, we Indians dont like the General, he was the cause of Kargil where Indian and Pakistani troops died, we in India are today standing upto him and asking him to account for those lost lives, has any one in Pakistan have the courage to do the same. He has committed treason against Pakistan, by not informing the government in power of his plans on Kargil, and when he lost the war, he overthrew the democratically elected government of Pakistan. Yes, your government, he has committed crimes against you and lied to you. Does that not bother you. Then he stole from the exchequer, and maintains a life style abroad, wildly far in excess of his means. Does that not bother you. When you see the poor and the destitute, who have been forced to live a life of misery, because of the Generals policies, does that not bother you. He appears before you on television with his barefaced lies, no word of an apology or any remorse, does that not bother you. You give him accolades of cheeetah and lion, and then you question why India refuses to come to the negotiating table. Let me tell you this, it bothers me, it upsets me and makes me sick to the stomach. By the way, good luck with the "aman ki aasha", it will have to travel down a very long and winding road before it gets to its destination.
ex general is lier.thats all i say.
@Vikram: Bhai sahab you are so right. In order to defeat the design of this horrible act both sides need to rise above this incident. But I also say that Indian media needs to soften up and try to present a more friendlier perspective. All I read is about Pakistan being destroyed and obliterated. We must come together and unite ad people. We can do it.
he ow speaks for hockey players and singers. He caved in infront of colin powel and leased the military to the yanks. He should stand trial for what he did during his good days.
Rex Minor
@Raja: I seen the interview. We Indians need to learn how to be a host, besides everything else. There is a huge link between the tension on LOC and the rape in Delhi that stained 'shining India' in the world media. Indian government was looking for ways to get out and turn people wrath and media's lenses away from rape case ... so its agencies created the 'beheading story'. One can see how the demonstrations have changed and how the media turned its lenses from the rape to the beheading. This is what Indian politics has to these days. Pakistan repeatedly requested to let the UN to find the culprit for which India has refused ??? like everyone else I am ashamed of how Indian government handled the rape case and why it needed to disrespect its forces to divert attention. It disturbs me as if not Pakistani soldiers were not involve in beheading ( India has a million soldier at the border, how Pakistani solders can cross into Indian side ) the who did the beheading, if there was a beheading ....is India government involved ? the experience I have of Indian politicians...my money is on my theory...
@Raj - USA: Dear! That question was answered. And really, Indian visa does matter that much for him? plz. don't follow Hysteric Indian Media - Brotherly Advice. Give truth a chance.
@Soshallyoureap: Dear that question was replied too.
I seen the interview. We Indians need to learn how to be a host, besides everything else. There is a huge link between the tension on LOC and the rape in Delhi that stained 'shining India' in the world media. Indian government was looking for ways to get out and turn people wrath and media's lenses away from rape case ... so its agencies created the 'beheading story'. One can see how the demonstrations have changed and how the media turned its lenses from the rape to the beheading. This is what Indian politics has to these days. Pakistan repeatedly requested to let the UN to find the culprit for which India has refused...WHY ??? like everyone else I am ashamed of how Indian government handled the rape case and why it needed to disrespect its forces to divert attention. It disturbs me as, if not Pakistani soldiers were not involve in beheading ( India has a million soldier at the border, how Pakistani solders can cross into Indian side ) then who did the beheading, if there was a beheading ....is India government involved ? the experience I have of Indian politicians...my money is on my theory...
@Vikram: You said it all man ....
@joy: wht does it has to be with his cases...please learn to appreciate an act rather than the whole package and you can never find a perfect human...
@Raja: I totally agree with you. The Indian media in spite of being independent tows the foreign office line without the slightest variation in tone. As for the brain washed Indians, you only have to see the comments section of ET. In pure jingoism and deep seated hatred they beat Pakistani commentators hands down. Accept for a divine gospel truth, there are always multiple views and narrations but you wont find that in Indian media for all issues concerning Pakistan. Unlike the measured response from Pakistan, even Indian PM and Chief of Staff jumped into the LOC fray all for a couple of deaths including one unproven beheading. When it comes to Indo Pak relations you will find a lot more variations and even conflicting opinions being freely aired on this side of the border but never on the other side. Its really very unfortunate.
@Destro:
Indians are the best...is that wht you want to say...are you kidding me...
Indeed Musharraf is best leader Pakistan ever had.
I like it. Indians need to realize tough talk is not a one way street.
Musharraf was an excellent, excellent General...a brilliant leader of the Pakistan Army and I will always respect him for that. The likes of him are rare. I really wish he had left politics and government early and retained his position as the COAS. I cannot respect him as a President...but truly his legacy as a COAS is honorable and laudable! :) It's wonderful to hear him reply on this whole LOC drama....Indians know how to make a bollywood film / soap opera out of anything. Pakistanis are a more serious and self-critical lot...sometimes self-critical to the point of taking intense slander from across the border. But that is still more respectable than being the slanderers themselves. In any case, no harm done. What is of prime importance right now is Pakistan. Pakistan first, Pakistan second, Pakistan third...let's fix our country and government first, then we can worry about hysterical neighbors...they have the LOC drama now, they'll find a start plus soap to replace it in a few days.
@Saleem:
Only person today and in the past who knows how to handle Indian media. Mard ka bacha
I thought it is women who have children. Apparently not so in Pakistan. How many have you had?
@Soshallyoureap: An other bunderstani misinformation plot.Shame on you.Listen carefully,how he proves you can't take the truth.
Only person today and in the past who knows how to handle Indian media. Mard ka bacha
... where can I find a recording of this interview? ... please help ...
This man knows how to make headlines and remain in the limelight. He still has this khaaki blood running in his veins. You will get no support from thinking souls. He will have to speak for the common man---make hue and cry over the Baara tragedy to get the attention and sympathies of people who are fast losing trust in the state.
@Raja: Very precise analysis.
Indian have hatred from their heads to toes - they simply boil from inside (very very narrow minded). On the other hand, Pakistanis reply their hatred with humor, fun, and relaxed with smile.
@Indian: @Naeem Siddiqui:
@Indian: This is called PERVERTED PATRIOTISM. Look at Naeem Sidduqui bringing in Golden Temple and Indira and Rajiv Gandhi's assassinations and opening up a new pandoras box of assassinations from Liaquat Khan, Bhutto, Zia, Benazir, all the way to Nawab Bugti and still continuing with Bhatti, Taseer, Shia & Sunni religious leaders ................ None of which have ever been investigated by Pakistan itself for the fear that it would open up new pandoras boxes. Had Saudis not saved Nawaz Sheriff, he would have been in the list also. Nawaz Sheriff has himself said so many times. They tried it on Zardari also through memogate. Why did Altaf Hussein flee to UK? Not long ago, leaders of PPP, PML-N and MQM were all in exile at the same time and Musharraf was ruling the country. HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME SANE MINDS ALSO IN PAKISTAN AND IT IS NICE TO NOTE THAT THIS SECTION OF THE POPULATION IS GROWING.
On a side note, cannot ignore to note the similarity between MQI's long march and Musharaff's Agra visit. During the visit, Musharraf would change his dress every 2 - 3 hours in a day and appear in a new style and color dress every time for the TV cameras. Qadri did the same.
"Beheading a soldier and sending back his body is inexcusable. However, knowing the Pakistan Army, I can say for sure that it is not in our culture to do something as horrific as that. No disciplined army would do that,” said Musharraf."
Not even Ilyas Kashmiri of the then SSG? And why did you w ho was the COAS at the time give Ilyas Kashmiri a lakh rupees?
If your army thought beheading was unacceptable it would have reacted todozens of Pakistani soldiers that have been beheaded by TTP.But it seems to think this is an acceptable behavio.
I think, there is lot of public support and hailing him as true leader etc(as per the comments here).. Then, why was he out the country???
more than 99% comment appriciated Musharraf .
Ex gen. Hitted the target well .
We are not hurt .
When you were talking with anchor of India I watch a true Pakistani with true sprite of Nationalism may ALLAH PAK Bless you
Imran Khan interviews with Indian journalists have always been disappointing, it was great to see Musharraf defend Pakistan, so strongly, hope Imran Khan learns something
A man who tells it like it is and frankly "it is what it is" . Indians needless to say hate Musharraf for one simple fact; he stood up to them and told them in no uncertain terms You may be a fat cow But when you talk to me make sure you mind your manners.
India has now for years become the "bully of South Asia" becasue of sheer numbers. I mean hate to say this but a disparate country of 1.2 billion listless souls that suffer from low self esteem. Masters at manipulation and playing victim they have medled in, instigated and interefered with all the neighbors including the Sri Lankans. BTW, you will never hear the end of the Kargil issue because even then these same Indians went crying to the big brother for help. If you talk to people who were there and read the accounts Pakistan suffered innumerable casualties not as result of the Indian heroics but as a result of being exposed when our own Nawaz Shariff ordered retreat result of US pressure. They are best at killing when the backs are turned Period. So enough of this Kargil crap!
Musharraf simply stood up to them and called them at their game. This whole LOC violation thing originated from the Indian side and everyone should know that howoever, the Indians being Indians immediately cried foul.
In my opinion there are only two Pakistani leaders who have shown Indians the door; Musharraf and to some extent Imran Khan. They can't stand that!
Just great, president Musharaf.
He is the one from the 100,000 surrendered army.... Kargil says it all ... He refused to own his own soldiers ... and now he is talking about soldiers honor... He is the representative of the two faced Nation with two tongues...
Generalissimo is trying to be politically relevant.
@Yoghurt lover: You hypocrite! If kasab was not a Pakistani, why were there protest rallies and tyre burnings in many cities in Pakistan when he was hanged? This very forum was full of people like you claiming Indian courts were biased against Pakistan. Make up your stupid mind one way or the other.
@uzzie: You forget the hole out of which Bangladesh dropped out ? Such language, such a mindset and such ignorance - no wonder Pakistan is down at the bottom giving company to Somalia, Chad, Congo and North Korea.
@John B: better go find the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and then tell us something about straight face nonsense..
A wanted man on the run, a coward who has deserted his own country, a usurper, a person who sold Pakistanis to Americans for money, a person against whom Interpol has issued a warrant...
... such a person is deemed as praiseworthy by Pakistanis - which goes on to show what kind of people live in Pakistan.
@Akram: "India constantly seeks to undermine Pakistan by propaganda."
Watch this video, a Indian Muslim tells Musharaf the truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1CXrHxC8MY
Why is Musharaf not coming back to Pakistan?
What proof or evidence does he have? He doesn't even live in Pakistan
Gotta admit, musshy tore a new hole for indians to crap out of! the only potent leader besides IK!
Here is a great man called Musharraf who ran away from his country to escape punishment for his misdeeds. Even Gaddafi or Saddam did not do such a heinous acts.
The trouble with Musharraf, who is in the political wilderness and is wanted by Interpol for a variety of crimes, engineered the disastrous Kargil misadventure that resulted in the killings of many Pakistani soldiers, some of whom were attired in tribal clothing but carried assault rifles and other weapons with the markings of the Pakistani army. This man was in denial for weeks and months -- denying the fact that Pakistani army regulars were behind the Kargil disaster. Only after pressure from certain quarters, including the USA, did this man admit that Pakistan had indeed started the Kargil war. The sad part is that Pakistan refused to take back the bodies of its soldiers killed in action (just as it refused, all the while, to take back bodies of Pakistani terrorists killed in the Mumbai attacks). What a shame. There is no dignity for dead soldiers in Pakistan. Musharraf, obviously craving for attention and political respite, uses populist sentiments to remain in the news,lest he be totally forgotten. Many Indians, one of them being this Indian Muslim reader, wonder why he loves coming to India when he feels everyone is "hysterical" about Pakistan. India is a free, secular and liberal democracy, its media vocalizes and can criticize everyone, including its own politicians; Pakistani media, on the other hand, is controlled and exercises self censorship, and anything you write about the mullahs and the military gets backfired, with deadly retaliation facing the non-complying media. Musharraf's populist and cheap shots, obviously, appeal to the unsuspecting madrassah type of Pakistanis who have been brainwashed from day one with all the distorted facts and lies about their country, their religion and their wrongly-placed ethos. The average Pakistani, sadly, lacks the healthy, questioning mind; no wonder, he becomes an easy prey to the wild fantasies of conspiracy theorists. As for the beheading of the Indian soldier, a headless body was delivered to the Indian authorities. That's a ghastly thing to do -- it is not civilized by any measure. Where is the head of the victim? He was, clearly, tortured and his body mutilated by Pakistanis before it was handed over to the Indian side. Musharraf does not, conveniently, provide any answers to that question.
@Raja: I agree with most you have said. This time except one channel most of the channels in India displayed themselves in very poor light by raising unwarranted halla bolu. That put the Government on back foot. The opposition was irresponsible and gave most provocative statements in view of vote raising. Strange from the writers of running the bus diplomacy. However this statement from Gen Musharraf is equally irresponsible and just to attract attention from right wing in Pakistan. Any way the world knows what his worth and how worthless a man he is.
Indian media could be called anything but independant :)
Although he was a dictator but he is a clean man. Eloquent and confident. Who else responded India in this manner the way he did. Long Live Gen. Pervaiz Musharraf.
Great talk by Musharraf Saab... i am wonder why Pakistani Government showing too much flexibility in maintaining good relations with India when there is no positive response from them.
After watching the interview, I was shocked to see how the Pakistani Army is portrayed in the Indian media, and the same people who dissect news over here believe everything their media tells them at home. Watching too much bollywood has gotten into their heads, they see an enemy and they see the good guys, the heroes (themselves). That's not how armies and intelligent services work, get your minds out of the television and stuck it into some common sense once in a while, you black hearters.
@Hassan uddin: Why is he hiding in England if he is such a great leader.
No matter what anyone says about Musharraf, BUT this is a fact that you won't find anyone in our present govt.(opposition also) to have spoken with such confidence and clarity to an Indian Channel.
simply not afraid of anyone,brave inddeed
@Vikram: for starters - there are only two big issues Indian army faces Pakistan (from Kashmir) and China, so if the Kashmir issue is resolved or goes on a back-burner via friendship then the huge defence budgets would, hypothetically speaking, not be required and hence no need of big spendings on army - do they want that? Every time a peace process has started something like this has derailed it.
@salman
Better convince your countrymen to stop watching Hollywood too as USA bombed into oblivion 24 Pak soldiers and daily kills Pakistanis with drones. Please stick to watching chinese serials and movies
Salute to former President Musharraf :)
Captain Kalia was another character created by the indian army. All the indian trolls, we extended the hand of friendship to u and you give us allegations as always. Its an open secret that your agency and its nexus with TTP is active in Pakistan. As a commoner I no longer support peace with your country. You are and will always be a backstabber.
Musharraf is still not able to forget kargil and bangladesh and now he cannot even return to pakistan. We should sympathize with him.
General Pervez Musharraf: - You do things on the sly and then claim complete ignorance. - You first take a stand and then look for the reasons to justify it. - You just have to be right, no matter how weird the logic. You remind me of my wife.
@Saleem:
not many avenues for recreation and blinded by state propaganda , you can find them in huge numbers on every blog including ET
OK. One thing at a time
not many avenues for recreation
No Films, No Cinema Halls,No TV Shows,No International Cricket, No Commonwealth Games, No Plays, No Dance, No Music and No Night Clubs and bars.
Yup poor Indians have no avenues for recreation. Or at least not as many as Pakistanis who have continuous drama all around them.
and blinded by state propaganda
Yes poor chaps believe OBL actually existed, 9/11 happened and worst of all they also believe that Man has landed on the Moon. Pakistanis know better.
Well done Muharraf Sahib. Will the current ruling class wake up to their duty of normalization of Pak India relation, or leave it to the former ruler? What a shame!
Although I don't like Musharraf for many obvious reasons. But, I fully agree to what he said to hate spreading Indian media. Good work Gen. Pervez Musharraf.
Indian media should henceforth boycott Musharraf for his callous and insensitive comments. He has already been denied visa by the Indian govt. The General is guilty of orchestrating Kargil war and refusing to take back the dead bodies of his own soldiers who are considered martyrs by any country and were cremated by Indian Muslim jawans as per Islamic rituals.
My comments in support of the Pakistani army, in another newspaper that claims affiliation with the founder of Pakistan were expunged, while those against the army and indeed Pakistan were given prominence. All I had pointed out was that one of their own India based correspondents had written that A) there was no proof of any beheading and B) that an Indian Brigadier had once proudly boasted that they had nailed the head of a Pakistani soldier to a tree. I maintained in my comments that Pakistan has a disciplined professional Army that would never indulge in such heinous acts. I also wondered why at this time are these issues being raised and under whose behest. I also maintain that this is a false flag operation designed to further complicate Pakistan's current political imbroglio. That they did not deem it appropriate to publish my comments shows the level of infiltration by fifth columnists in the media, under the pretext of liberalism. Now the General who should know has validate all that I wrote. The question however still needs to be asked, why is our neighbor ratcheting up tensions and taking an aggressive tone. Why is India refusing an independent investigation? References to past misadventures by both sides only vitiates the atmosphere.
@Raj there is no point in arguing about Bangladesh but it was you in the hiding ,striking from back what India always did and will always do.
great leader
when Common Citizens living in both Countries could be so abusive, derogatory during cricket matches, then anything is possible in War! but for just one moment can't we just be humans who can love, respect and think practically that vengeance won't serve either party. we can't afford to blame past in constructing future....Think
@ab: before talking about BD, why don't you apologize to Bangladesh. Their PM is constantly asking you. Don't you know what you did with them. Go and check the history, ask your leader. You will get your answer. And if BD is interest with you, they could have rejoin with pakistan any time. Why this is not happening. You should be feel ashamed yourself what you did with BD and what ever you are doing with Shiha, Ahemadi, Mujahir, non-Muslims in your own country. Btw, BD never opposed India during 1971. why?
@Saad:
I don’t remember any Indian General courageous enough to come and face the Pakistani media
And I do not remember any Indian General 'courageous' enough to run away from his own country either.
@Akram: but they were right......Osama was in Pakistan and regulars were fighting in margin.....mushy said so himself.....which school did you go to?
A 6 year old girl got raped in a bus ! Why don't Indians comment on that news, I think commenting on that topic will get ur nation somewhere. Commenting here won't save ur Embrassment !
@Saad: Indian army leaders dont show courage in front of Pakistani media but on battleground, remember 1971? Anyways do you think Mush did it for free? He got paid for this interview as these days giving lecutres is his profession. Indian army leaders dont need money from Pakistani media. This guys says what is the logic behind kicking out singers and players. Ok, India did kick them now if they have some "gairat" none of them should come back to India. If Mush had some gairat left he would not have been in India for paid lectures and interviews. It is not a nice to see ex head of a nation visitng enemy nation often for money.
chjamil49@yahoo.com
We Believe It Is True, What Ever Mr Musharef Ex General&Army Chief Said. Pak Army Have His Standard As Good Army To Do Standarable Attitude During War & Peace Doing Below Stander Is Not Possible By Pak Army Or Any Standarable Army of Any Country Any How Both Country Have To Keep Good Relations.It Is Better For Pakistan , India&Region of Asia , Also for Whole World Peace Is Better Than Fighting
Only Soldier can understand the dirty tricks of Indians
Our Politicians only can fight for KURSI (Prime minister)
Musharaff was in full flight. very rightly said if they want to talk about Kargil then talk about Bangladesh should be done first.
@Khurram: Yes sir. I reprodcue an extract from Wiki:
"On 12 December 1947 Nand Singh led his platoon of D Coy in a desperate but successful attack to extricate his battalion from an ambush in the hills SE of Uri in Kashmir. He was mortally injured by a close-quarters machine-gun burst, and posthumously awarded the Maha Vir Chakra(MVC), the second-highest Indian decoration for battlefield gallantry. This makes Nand Singh unique in the annals of VC winners. The Pakistanis recognised Singh because of his VC ribbon. His body was taken Muzaffarabad where it was tied spreadeagled on a truck and paraded through the city with a loudspeaker proclaiming that this would be the fate of every Indian VC. The soldier’s body was later thrown into a garbage dump, and was never recovered."
We do not want to live in the past but we are not willing to accept it any further.
@Abdur Rehman - And we should also reject our own Pakistani media showing what is happening in indian fashion week or what the preposterous media stars are doing .... we should also start convincing our immediate family and friends to stop seeing indian movies.......
Not so sure about actual war but if there is blogosphere war than indians would definitely win. With a huge population , not many avenues for recreation and blinded by state propaganda , you can find them in huge numbers on every blog including ET. Like a virus they are spreading successfully. This is a Pakistani news forum and still I think indian viewers almost equal if not outnumber the Pakistani readers. I have yet to find an Indian news forum with such huge participation from Pakistani crowd.
Infact "india' is the real culprit, cause of destruction in "PAKISTAN" , India have hideouts in Afghanistan , it trains terrorist for suicide attacks, bomb blasts and other such violent activities in Pakistan , 'KILLINGS' in Karachi and destability in Balouchistan is because of India, their Media and Government always creates false propaganda about Pakistan and always tries to divert Worlds concentration from 'KASHMIR" issue and also responsible for "lackage of water" in Pakistan , it made dams on our rivers to block our water , India is also responsible for thousands and millions of killings and murders in Kashmir , Now where is 'United Nations" from last 65 years ......... ! and so called ambassador of peace " U.S.A" ,
musharraf: we miss you.
A visibly aggressive Musharraf, said that there has been no effort from India to maintain civilised relations.
And here is a list of Pakistani 'efforts' for 'civilised relations'
A. Export of Kabailis
B. Operation Gibraltar
C. Operation Grand Slam
D. IC 814 Hijacking
E. Kargil
F. Mumbai Carnage
And the list goes on and on.
Only one word to our SSG Commando and the ex-chief of Army Staff ... Bravo!
No one can speak with such authority and crisp. Salute to this chrismatic leader. He has always been brave, vigilant and straightforward.
Musharraf as always has hit the nail on the head, and exposed Indian lies and hypocracy to the world.
@All the Indians: Before complaining about any cruelty by Pakistan, just remember the 60,000 Kashmiris (who are Pakistanis under Indian occupation) your army cruelly killed, not to mention the thousands of Kashmiri women they raped. Also, before whimpering about 26/11 remeber the crime of invading and dimembering Pakistan your country committed in 1971, and nothing that Pakistan has ever allegedly done comes close to these barbaric acts.
Concerning the latest outrage of killing Pakistani soldiers at the LOC, to all of you wondering why Indian army would do it, it is a four letter word: RAPE on Dehli buses. Have you not noticed how the whole issue disappeared aftr the LOC murders?
So take an honest look at your own misdeeds, before even thinking of complaining about Pakistan.
@BlackJack:
Pakistan will never accept everything blindly said by India without any proper evidence. India also accused Pakistan of involvement in samjhota express tragedy but what was the end result?? No one is denying that two soldiers were found dead at LOC but India needs to share their investigation through proper channels and not through media. As far as Mumbai trial is concerned, let me tell you that Pakistani judiciary is free and they are neither influenced by our government nor military which is evident from their recent judgements. If proper evidence is there, I have no doubts that justice will be served. I am happy to know that India consider Kashmir as a bilateral issue. If that's the case than we are happy to welcome Ur foreign secretary and minister to come to Islamabad and try to resolve the issue instead of derailing the whole peace process.
@SAAD, "" what percentage of Pakistani population know anything about the chief of Indian army ? On the other hand most of the Indian population has Musharraf’s name printed on their mind. This is called Influence and that’s how courageous men do i ""
Dear, you got is 100% ULTA, Musharaf was your RULER once so Indians know his name, Pakistanis do not know our Army Chief name because, simply He does not rule us.
Pakistanis will not know any Indian army chiefs name because, Indians do not allow army rule in India, this has nothing to do with influence and courage. Happy, bye
@Saad:
And how many Indian Generals are 'Courageous' enough to run away from their own country?
political diffrences aside Musharraf is a true cheetah when it comes to debating with indians!
cry me a river Indians LOL
Salute for General Musharraf!
India is the real culprit and always creates false propaganda regarding 'PAKISTAN" . infact India is behind in our destruction , destability in Balochistan & in karachi , Violent activities in our Country , bomb blasts , suicide attacks "INDIAN' agencies are behind our destruction .
@Adnan:
"... I’m a Pakistani and think you are completely ridiculous... "
You are a very good and rare Pakistani, Sir. I salute you, but you did not get the meaning of my comment right. I was hinting at the similarity between two statements; one by Musharraf and one by me. You did pin me down, but missed the other. Get it? No? Both the statements are equally "ridiculous".
Take that Indians.
Well said Mr. President. Why would Pakistani army try to escalate tension when its forces are tied down on the Western border. Clearly an Indian propaganda for the upcoming elections.
@Saad: "... On the other hand most of the Indian population has Musharraf’s name printed on their mind. This is called Influence and that’s how courageous men do it. .. "
Indians are familiar with Musharraf's name for a couple of reasons : first - how unceremoniously he dumped the Taliban the moment the US threatened him and second - the kargil incident. He did imprint in our minds: DO NOT TRUST; DO NOT LET GUARD DOWN - THERE WILL BE BETRAYAL.
Who is one to believe when all are known to lie ?
A visibly aggressive Musharraf, said that there has been no effort from India to maintain civilised relations.
Contrast this with Pakistani efforts at 'Civilized Relations'
A. Kabaili Export
B. Operation Gibraltar
C. Operation Grand Slam
D. Hijacking of Indian Aircraft- including IC 814.
E. Kargil Intrusion
F. Mumbai Carnage.
Very civil indeed.
great Musharraf
How do you reason with a people who delude themselves without consideration ?
This is not the first time he snubbed them...once he did it on their own soil.....none of our present leaders / politicians have the ability to reply back.....can they ?
what is the logic behind kicking our singers out, sending back our hockey players?”
You mean somehow it is India's duty to provide employment to Pakistanis?
Funny logic, indeed.
Upon his return Kashmiri continued to conduct operations against India, once reportedly being rewarded personally with Rs 1 lakh (about US$1,164.24) by then Army Chief General Pervez Musharraf for presenting the decapitated head of an Indian army soldier to him. Pictures of Kashmiri with the head of the soldier in his hands were published in some Pakistani newspapers.
And this man dares to talk about beheading?
I don't remember any Indian General courageous enough to come and face the Pakistani media. Gen. Musharraf has been facing Indian media off and on again. Besides that what percentage of Pakistani population know anything about the chief of Indian army ? On the other hand most of the Indian population has Musharraf's name printed on their mind. This is called Influence and that's how courageous men do it.
Why Pakistanis are in constant denial mode. Some say Indian Army doing it deliberately for public support. Here in India, Army doesn't needs any public support like in Pakistan. One also goes at stretch and says that Ajmal Kasab was not pakistani and the 26/11 was created by India. Seriously u need some medication. Indian election had never revolved around pakistani bashing, as opposite in Pakistan govt. gets selected on basis of magnitude of Indian hatred. Pakistan general election are not too far. Is Mush trying to make ground for himself and return back to grab power and rule Pak? Only pak can answer this question!
The cruelty India inflicts is sending back hockey players and singers...as against infiltrating and beheading soldiers.
If he asks for his forgiveness for supporting MQM, I wish IK and mush should make an alliance.
He is always clear and straight when it comes to defend Pakistan against its enemies. Did not see any Pakistani leader with such clear vision and leadership qualities
@Mr anand singh
Starting from Gandhi to Rajev, is Rahul is in the line to be next of those Indian Leaders who assassinated by their own country men!!??
BTW! you should be proud of your those brave fellow sikhs who assasinated Indra Gandhi and tought her a lesson for golden temple carnage. :) aren't you!!
@ Vikram: Simple is that if the relationship between both the countries get friendly, the government of both the countries will definitely cut the defence budget short, so this is not in favor of army of both the countries to have good friendly relations.
Great work Musharraf Sahab...
Ha ha ha.................look who is talking...........he cant face the courts in his own country...
Indians are crying over and criticizing on this Musharraf's interview because Musharraf was the only dangerous threat for India on LoC.This is why Indians are leaving no stone to unturn to defame and reprehending Musharraf and only remembering Musharraf's past because this is Indian's favorite hobby that the Indians always judge the people by seeing the past and forget the present......
Oh the cruelty.. Indians are sending back your singers just because one of their soldiers got beheaded. Shame on India for such barbaric behavior. I had some doubts initially, but since you have vouched for it, me and the rest of the world totally believes that the Indian soldier may have misplaced his head somewhere. I mean how why would an honest and honorable person like you can ever lie!!!
@wonderer: You've got to be kidding me? India would kill 160 of its own people and bring its financial capital to a stand-still just to screw with Pakistan? enough with the conspiracy theories. P.S I'm a Pakistani and think you are completely ridiculous
Game uth gayee phir say ... he did what all of the corrupt politicians couldn't do ... he is back in game !!!
Actually Indians are no PPL to talk they are always in the delusion of a super power. I think all this LOC drama was to divert the attention from the Rape case ... U can notice now thr is no one talking abt rape victim any more :) Same drama stage by USA of 9/11 . Some nations need wars to unite them . Regards To Musharaf We miss ur time was much better than this fake Democracy
"@Rathore:someone who constructed “Kargil”, refused to take back dead bodies of his soldiers is talking about “culture”. Correct your informations because we lost Kargil war just due to the meanness and effrontery of that time's PM Nawaz Sharif,who met that time's US' president Bill Clinton and didn't give any interview to the media and next day withdrew Pakistan army's soldiers from Kargil,not due to the Musharraf because Musharraf was COAS that time.....
This is one coward bloke who even refused to take back dead Pakistani soldiers in Kargil war and it was Indian army who buried them ceremoniously, what do u expect then from this loser he even back stabbed lahore bus diplomacy for Kargil fiasco which eventually they failed to capture, he is one loser who by going on war on terror helped India so much for his dumb decision
@Akram who writes "India constantly seeks to undermine Pakistan by propaganda. Like the time they alleged that Pakistani regulars were occupying Kargil, despite Pakistan’s denial that it was the Mujahideen. The they alleged that Kasab was Pakistani, despite everyone in Pakistan denying it. Not just India, but US is also in the game. They alleged that Osama was in Pakistan despite vehement denials.
I am sure that the lie behind the latest allegation will be exposed soon."
Great sense of humour and sarcasm.
I like it.
@Ah-ho Zaree: Musharraf is wanted by police in Pakistan and living in exile for 5 years. How does he know all this. He is internationally known notorious about falsely fabricating the things. In 1999, he denied Pak-Army involvement in Kargil and now, look at what he is saying on Indian TV channels.
He is pouring oil (Aag me ghee dal raha hai) on the LoC beheading fire when the foriegn ministers of both the countries are trying to douse.
He is among the long list of Pak leaders who ran away from their country once their tenure finished or was made to finish. I cannot understand how & why do ppl in Pak eulogize the likes of his kind.
Are they blind no to see that here is a man who usurped the constitution and then left when it became too hot for him ?
He is also the LAST man who can comment on sanity & civilised behavior after Kargil which he masterminded. India has not forgotten his tele conversation while he was in Beijing and Kargil had begun.
He can take a walk, he may be God in Pak but to Indians he shall forever remain the slime that he is.
Cheetaaaaaaaaaaaaa Love you President Musharraf i still love u
It is the same Musharraf who rewarded Ilayas Kashmiri handsomely when he brought the severed head of an Indian soldier all the way to Islamabad and presented it to Musharraf. He is mad at India because India has refused his visa application and did not allow him to visit India.
someone who constructed "Kargil", refused to take back dead bodies of his soldiers is talking about "culture". funny indeed.
Look, can any Pakistanis here tell me: why would the Indian Army "design" this? For what benefit to itself or the Indian government? The army is civilian-controlled. The Prime Minister is a peacenik who dreams of visiting his village in Chakwal. The whole Indian government is the most pro-Pakistani government I can remember. So why would they do this? Secondly, why would the Pakistani Army do it either? No reason except to get sympathy and support. But they are already getting that because of the western front conflict where many many more Pakistani soldiers are dying. So the answer is, neither army wants this. It just happened. It was unfortunate, but one thing led to another and it happened. Move on now. Opportunists and warmongers from either side, whether the Indian Army Chief or Musharraf need to stay out of this.
@AZQ: The answer to your question is quite simple - we wanted a mature and fair response when the issue of mutilated soldiers on our side of the border was raised; the promise of a speedy enquiry and punitive action if validated. This would naturally have resulted in some 2-way sharing of information. Instead you guys announced in record time that you had nothing to do with it (and that the whole incident never took place) - clearly indicating either unwillingness to probe the army by the civilian government or complicity itself (given your lightning speed in the 26/11 planning case, we know what the average speed of even a sham enquiry is likely to be). When is the last time that we complained of Pak soldiers crossing the LoC and you guys said that you had nothing to do with it? Oh yeah, Kargil, where we had to bury hundreds of unclaimed bodies - so let's just say that precedents point towards one culprit in this story. As regards UN involvement, Pakistan has been trying to get the UN, the US and everybody else involved in Kashmir while India has maintained that it is a bilateral issue. There is no value that the UN can add here.
Liars always don't have authentic,solid and logical reasons to prove their stances/standpoints true and India is a liar.This is why Indian news channel's anchor left the interview incomplete and in the middle..... I salute you great Musharraf on your this great interview and next time no any Indian channel shall interview with Musharraf because Indian media even private Indian news channels can't afford and display the truths and realities before the Indian nation just due to the cowardice....
This man was a leader of an army which did not accept its own dead soldiers just to skip the embarrassment during the kargil episode. And here he is talking about a soldiers respect and dignity. Hmmm.
It was Musharraf who went an extra mile to appease the Indians, especially on Kashmir. He was naive enough to expect India to come to some honorable solution of the Kashmir conflict, such as, on the basis of the Chenab formula. And, though Musharraf usurped power and so is disliked by many, if not most, Pakistanis, his assessment about India's design could be conjectural. No way, would it be possible to determine the truth. However, one thing is clear, given the volatile domestic situation in Pakistan; no one would be surprised to know that India started to browbeat Pakistan along the LoC with the hope that Pakistan would take it lying low. However, India was surprised at Pakistan's befitting response (eint ka jawab pathar say) and protested profusely, with Singh threatening Pakistan. Nonetheless, given Pakistan’s readiness and ability to quickly mobilize and with the diplomatic offensive that exposed India’s war mongering, India accepted Pakistan’s peace overtures and for now the tension seems to be diffused. If India is really serious about long term peace, it should not try to take advantage of Pakistan’s internal problems. They often accuse Pakistan about a jingoistic mindset bought forget their own. Let peace prevail.
Geo musharraf , I saw the interview on the Indian channel. Very well done Sir. U r one brave man.
@AZQ Simply, her distruction.
Gen. Musharaf really did a marvelous job in teaching the Indian media a lesson. He showed them the mirror. The Indian media is tool of their army and politicians. They always wait for an opportunity to malign and misrepresent Pakistan in worst possible way. But it is only damaging India's self interest in the long run, as this type of extremely biased and unfair reporting is brain washing their general public against Pakistan to a level where they can't even host Pakistani singers and sportsmen. What to think of doing business with them in the future, their Media only focuses on the short term and does not care about long term implications on the whole South Asian, Central Asian Region. It has always been this way, their media turning their population against Pakistan. It used to be same in Pakistan, specially uptil 1980s and early 1990s, when you used to hear very negative things comming out of India, but in recent years, Pakistani Media has changed and so has the attitude of an average Pakistani toward an average Indian person. Pakistanis even on news forums rarely if ever put anything negative against India, but on Indian newspapers all you read is negativity and hostility against Pakistan and mainly because of what they hear about Pakistan all the time in their media. If India wants better relations with Pakistan they need to control their media and their Anti-Pakistan agenda airing 24/7 against Pakistan
Who then beheaded the Indian soldiers? Gen Musharaff should give an answer.Stopping visa for senior citizens, stopping LOC trade, sending hockey players back arre all juvenile reactions by the politicians.
You got it right musharraf ! India is full of stupid schemes.
Bravo.
Well said General!
"Everyone in India have a tendency to be hysterical about everything." Sir Musharraf is very right.
Well said Mussarraf this is not the first time that happened with our soldiers,you have done three times ,it is because of our impotent leadership that hid it from the country ,our leaders are as culprit as your country .Had the facts not been suppressed ,it you could not have done it this time,by the way why you are hiding away from your country, if you are so honest come and face your people.it seems by praising your Army, you are expecting some help from Kayani.
Why is Pakistani government so serious about having any relations with india. Indians have never missed a single chance to harm us. They invite our players, singers and artists to show to the world that they want good relations with their neighbours, and so deserve a permanent seat in the UN security council, then they stage a drama as an excuse to kick them out. Our government should cease all ties with india, call our ambassador back and send theirs back, seal borders, impose a travel ban to india on Pak artists and tell the indians, for God's sake, you are good on your side and leave us on ours....... Namaskhar, bye bye
Owned the show completely.
I don't know what India wants from Pakistan. They are not giving any evidence that soldier was beheaded by Pakistan Army and on the other hand they don't want UN to intervene and are continuing ceasefire violations on LOC. When Pakistan asked for foreign minister level talks to defuse tension, there was no positive response from other side of the border. The new visa regime was also put on hold by India. India has to make itself clear on future course of action and has to come out with concrete evidence otherwise we also don't like to waste our time on these useless peace talks.
Miss ya Mushy! Even in India times conclave you answered the Indian civilians and their leades--something I have yet to see any Indian do here.
Why does Indian Media takes interview of such rogue elements giving them unnecessary importance. Every Indian knows the role of this G'man in Kargil.
Well done and very well replied by Musharraf...salute him for this. I wish our current army chief could also show that guts. this is the way to negate indian army propaganda.
"No disciplined Army would do that", General Saheb only if you could recall the way we treated the remains of Jemadar Nand Singh VC.
Indians will never learn. They even staged the Mumbai attacks themselves, and blamed us.
After tsunami and Qadri, now comes Mush himself.
Hard Talk! Well-spoken Musharraf.
What are u doing outside Pakistan....and why are u outside Pakistan....Do u remember how u ran to US for help during Kargil...Do u think u deserve anything else but disgrace....
He forgot under his coommand what his army did with Capt. Kalia during Kargil war.
Proud of you General Musharraf. " A Commando always remains a Commando"
Sir Tusi Great ho! ..... I wish anyone from Government would have defended Pakistan like this. Every one knows how well planned and orchestrated this Indian Media Military offensive was, anyhow may Allah bless you and protect you from enemies of Pakistan. Aamin.
Lol. Only Musharraf can come up with straight face nonsense.
Proud of you sir, you are one brave soldier of Pakistan!
Long Live Musharraf.
general in denial :)
He is true Leader. He should come back and lead the revolution in Pakistan along with Captain