How do we break out of this vicious cycle? Sixty-odd years later, we are still debating whether democracy is the answer to our problems. That, too, at a time when we have extremists at our doorstep. Possibly, the first step towards reversing our fall is for Pakistanis to a have a dialogue with themselves. We cannot blame America and India for everything. That hidden hand we keep talking about is actually our own creation.
To wash away its own sins, much of our tax-chor business community (not multinationals) voluntarily pay money to extremist organisations in the name of Islam. Mainstream political parties court them for a few seats. Our intelligence agencies protect them and fund them. If we stop these three lifelines, most extremist entities will collapse.
But what do we do instead? We let these extremists kill and maim. Our government looks the other way when they spew their venom. They are behind many kidnappings and bank robberies. They stop buses and kill passengers. They target innocent people whose only crime is that they belong to a particular sect. They plant bombs, which kill Pakistanis not Westerners, whom they profess to be fighting against. They send suicide bombers into our markets, our places of worship and into our hotels and houses.
When we do catch terrorists, they are released soon after. There must be something wrong with the system when a person arrested for stealing spends decades in prison, while a terrorist responsible for killing hundreds is let off on bail within months of arrest. The judiciary blames the executive and vice versa. Many of those released go ahead and commit more terrorist actions.
There are some who say that so much is wrong with Pakistan today that it is difficult to figure out what to do. Almost two-thirds of our budget goes into protecting our country — but we are much more vulnerable now than ever before. Instead of protecting the borders, the protectors reconquer the country once every few years. They also nurture and support those elements that are attacking us from within.
Pakistan is possibly one of the few countries in the world where we have to be searched before going into a mosque. While praying, many have to look over their shoulders. What kind of life is this? Our security apparatus is more or less clueless about how to counter the terrorist threat. A handful of militants took the country hostage during Muharram.
Most Pakistanis don’t pay direct taxes. That’s because they don’t see their tax money going to use and also because they can get away by paying the taxman instead. Much of our government runs on aid and loans. Money is spent in all the wrong places. Law enforcement is doubled almost every year while public-sector education is starved for funds. Our health system has collapsed and much of our poor depend on private charities for support. But we are proud to be a nuclear power that also makes missiles on borrowed technology, which sometimes end up as debris from the skies.
Our leaders never protest suicide attacks but they go out on the roads to protest the drone attacks. Many of them have their families in the West but are happy to blame all our troubles on them. No one protests corruption and killings at home, but we protest against the US, against the Kalabagh dam and against the Rohingya killings.
In the summers, we have power riots, in the winters we are greeted with CNG lines. Mobile phones are shut off arbitrarily. Foreign investment dwindles. Our rupee falters. Many parts of Pakistan have become no-go areas. The country’s situation gets more and more depressing.
Is there hope? Yes, there is. But for us to move ahead we must have an honest dialogue with ourselves. We must learn to speak the truth and have the patience to hear everyone’s point of view. Let us make this happen.
Published in The Express Tribune, December 3rd, 2012.
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Sir' you wrote an outstanding article..true picture of Pakistan... totally agreed with you..
@MilesToGo: Not only Pakistan is best country, it is also purest Islamic country of the world.
Agree with you again. It is miles ahead in Islamic purity.
@Roamer: You said to Hella1 "@hella1 I think you got it wrong, the message was addressed to jat only who in earlier posts called himself a Hindu Indian, so pun was intended towards him only."
But that is not accurate since you said "@jat and other indian posters, one has to think what an Indian Hindu like you guys"
So it was not directed to only jat since you referred to 'jat AND other Indian posters'. Also you referred to 'Indian Hindu like you guys'. Guys is plural so clearly it was not addressed to @jat alone but all Indian Hindus.
Finally you say it was a pun. Failed to find the pun. Please enlighten.
@gp65: "Sabi ji, sadly some people (on both sides) Do use ad hominem attacks as a way to deflect the issue instead of rebutting on the basis of facts and logic. This is unfortunate and I can sympathize with you since I have been on the receiving end of very personal and non-content related attacks on several occasions". Madam.yes I admit there are people on both sides who are so easly provoked and starts personel attacks.I do feel pity that you have to face such attacks but at the same time I do appreciate your patience and dedications for this good cause of interaction for better understanding between our two neighbours.I may not agree with you on some occasions but I do believe that all that you say, you say it with sincerity of hearts and that is what I respect the most. Thanks and regards.
Not only Pakistan is best country, it is also purest Islamic country of the world.
@hella1 I think you got it wrong, the message was addressed to jat only who in earlier posts called himself a Hindu Indian, so pun was intended towards him only.
@Jat: "gp65: Sabi ji ? And you sympathize with this hypocrite ? Do read the discussion here. And when I decomposed him, he begins to whine, the coward ! But this meekness of our so-called intellectuals is India’s biggest shortcoming"
I appreciate many of your posts and many of Sabi's as well. If I choose not to get in the middle of your argument with each other, I do not consider it as a sign of weakness.
As a matter of policy, I do not attack individuals but rather focus on rebutting their viewpoint if I disagree. This is because I to would like the same courtesy in case someone disagrees with me. That is all I said. Of course you are entitled to hold a different viewpoint.
@gp65: Sabi ji ? And you sympathize with this hypocrite ? Do read the discussion here.
And when I decomposed him, he begins to whine, the coward ! But this meekness of our so-called intellectuals is India's biggest shortcoming.
@sabi: "However I want to point out on one sad aspect which I have observed.That, for example, someone posted insultary remaks on me more than once and the number of recomendation is alarmingly high allthough there is no meaninfull content in these posts."
Sabi ji, sadly some people (on both sides) Do use ad hominem attacks as a way to deflect the issue instead of rebutting on the basis of facts and logic. This is unfortunate and I can sympathize with you since I have been on the receiving end of very personal and non-content related attacks on several occasions. But the ability to interact with others (both Indians and Pakistanis), who as you described are "intelligent and well mannered who with all their difference of opinions never lose temper and civility" makes it worthwhile.
@Roamer : I agree that the forum should not be used for point scoring and sadly some people DO use it for point scoring. On the other hand, you might want to re-examine your definition of what point scoring is. Any difference of opinion or attempt to set matters straight does not constitute point scoring. And for many people who live in India and Pakistan there may not be other sources of interaction available at all. So as long as we keep it civil, I think it should be fine.
@Hella1: You may not believe this but there are Indian non-Hindus, Muslims even, who dislike Pakistan even more.
You have dashed all the dreams of this poor guy. Why did you reveal this secret ? They are the same kind people who sent in their Army and tribals militias in 1948 and 1965 in the fond hope that the Muslims of Kashmir will welcome them with open arms. :)
Mr Editor, next time you write an article get it approved and whetted by Lala Gee. Mr Editor you know nothing at all, please make use of the above walking, talking, talking, talking, talking encyclopedia.
@ Roamer "@jat and other indian posters, one has to think what an Indian Hindu like you guys are doing on Pakistani newspaper website...." So is it OK for Indian non-Hindus to come on Pakistani websites? Seriously do try to come out of this religious labelling. You may not believe this but there are Indian non-Hindus, Muslims even, who dislike Pakistan even more.
(Dear Moderator: This would be my 5th try since 11:30 AM. I am amazed by the arbitrary style of moderation despite having clear Comments Guidelines, Why would you deprive a regular commentator the opportunity to answer directly address comments, specially when the answer is 100% in accordance to the comments guidelines.)
@John F:
“US commission: Pakistan schools teach Hindu hatred”
@gp65:
"Please see what TOticalling who is your compatriot has mentioned in terms of bigotry taught"
Despite my best efforts, I am unable to find the full report of the US commission on the internet (perhaps you could post the link). All the news published anywhere are based on a single Associated Press news story, which only mention generalizations. @TOticalling mentioned by @gp65 provided a total of 3 examples as listed below:
1- “Hindu pundits were jealous of Al Beruni,” 2- “The Hindus had always been opportunists,” 3- “The Hindus have always been an enemy of Islam”
The 2 are from Social Studies (which is a mix of history and geography for lower classes) and 1 from Urdu. From level I to X, spread over 10 years study time, these examples are more likely of the author's personal prejudices rather than malicious brainwashing by state. Further, these examples do not provide the context of those half line narratives. It would also be pertinent to note that these books are only taught in one province, and even jn that province perhaps less than half the students read these books as more students go to private and Christian Missionary English language schools.
You cannot deny Christians, Muslims, and Hindus have some bitter past, which cannot be changed or erased from history, but, at the same time, we should not hold ourselves and our future generations hostage to it, like the way European Union countries got over their bitter past. By going through the comments posted by Indians here on ET, or better yet check on Times of India website, can you honestly say that they are any less hateful than Pakistanis. It is not a secret that extremism is on the rise in Pakistan, and that trend must be stopped and reversed, but at the same time you cannot deny the US contributions in this trend. Not only US put best efforts in erecting this menace by distributing tens of billions of dollars along with lethal weaponry to the extremist outfits, but also forced other countries to contribute their share as well. Also you cannot rule out the secret hand of Indian agencies in supporting such activities and extremist outfits like TTP and BLA, as they did in the past in East Pakistan and Sri Lanka.
One last thing for @gp65, although hate against Hindus and Christians is taught in Pakistani text books, as you say, what is the source of extreme hatred, bigotry, and malevolence in Indian Hindus as exhibited during the slaughter of 5,000 Sikhs and butchery of thousands of Muslims in Gujrat and Bombay, countless gang rapes of Sikh and Muslim teenagers and women during the anti-minority riots (even Christian Nuns are not spared) and arson of homes, businesses, mosques, and churches. (please tell only to yourself that these are tit-for-tat communal violences).
@Sabi ''I believe this fire of hatred will calm down as we progress further showing more tolerance and accepting our mistakes." @Roamer "Honestly speaking I feel both the countries are much better off if we work together as friends and assist each other and in that way we will grow much faster, so it is about time we should change our attitude and look at each other as partners not enemies and stop this point scoring attitude." Ditto
Dear readers, please keep this debate focused on the title. @Ranjit has hit the nail smack on its head. Plus, where there is a large developing country surrounded by relatively smaller neighbours there are bound to be disputes borne out of insecurities rather than ground realities. Yes, India has problems with all its neighbours, but look at China. It has problems with most of them like Vietnam, Thailand, Japan, India and so on. With time we all need to move on. It also fought wars with Vietnam, India and many border skirmishes with the old USSR. The author quite rightly has highlighted the issues. Please suggest solutions if possible putting aside the ego and jingoistic approach to these columns. If Pakistan is a happy country India will feel more secure too.
(Dear Moderator: This would be my fourth try during last 5-1/2 hours. I fail to understand why you do not publish those comments which are 100% in accordance to the "ET's Comments Guidelines", specially those which are answers to the directly addressed comments.)
@John F:
“US commission: Pakistan schools teach Hindu hatred”
@gp65:
"Please see what TOticalling who is your compatriot has mentioned in terms of bigotry taught"
Despite my best efforts, I am unable to find the full report of the US commission on the internet (perhaps you could post the link). All the news published anywhere are based on a single Associated Press news story, which only mention generalizations. @TOticalling as mentioned by @gp65 provided a total of 3 example listed below:
1- “Hindu pundits were jealous of Al Beruni,” 2- “The Hindus had always been opportunists,” 3- “The Hindus have always been an enemy of Islam”
The 2 are from Social Studies (which is a mix of history and geography for lower classes) and 1 from Urdu out of level I to X, spread over 10 years study time, are more likely of the author's personal prejudices rather than malicious brainwashing by state. Further, these examples do not provide the context of those half line narratives. It would also be pertinent to note that these books are only taught in one province, and even jn that province perhaps less than half the students read these books as more students go to private and Christian Missionary English language schools.
You cannot deny Christians, Muslims, and Hindus have some bitter past, which cannot be changed or erased from history, but, at the same time, we should not hold ourselves and our future generations hostage to it, like the way European Union countries got over their bitter past. By going through the comments posted by Indians here on ET, or better yet check on Times of India website, can you honestly say that they are any less hateful than Pakistanis. It is not a secret that extremism is on the rise in Pakistan, and that trend must be stopped and reversed, but at the same time you cannot deny the US contributions in this trend. Not only US put best efforts in erecting this menace by distributing tens of billions of dollars along with lethal weaponry to the extremist outfits, but also forced other countries to contribute their share as well. Also you cannot rule out the secret hand of Indian agencies in supporting such activities and extremist outfits like TTP and BLA, as they did in the past in East Pakistan and Sri Lanka.
One last thing for @gp65, although hate against Hindus and Christians is taught in Pakistani text books, as you say, what is the source of extreme hatred, bigotry, and malevolence in Indian Hindus as exhibited during the slaughter of 5,000 Sikhs and butchery of thousands of Muslims in Gujrat and Bombay, countless gang rapes of Sikh and Muslim teenagers and women during the anti-minority riots (even Christian Nuns are not spared) and arson of homes, businesses, mosques, and churches. (please tell only to yourself that these are tit-for-tat communal violences).
@sabi: What is the difference between a herd of sheep and Pakistanis ? At least the sheep provide meat and wool.
Respect
Henry Kissinger was visiting Pakistan and President Yahya Khan was the host. In the evening a show was organized for the chief guest's entertainment. During the performance the President leans towards Kissinger and says, "You like her ? She will rotate one clockwise and one anticlockwise at the same time."
It is a true story.
@thor I dont think this ET website is the right channel to interact, I believe you should also know that in this global village there are much better channels for interaction :) and frankly speaking as Sabi pointed out the interaction should not be for point scoring purposes which majority of the Indians are doing on this website.
Honestly speaking I feel both the countries are much better off if we work together as friends and assist each other and in that way we will grow much faster, so it is about time we should change our attitude and look at each other as partners not enemies and stop this point scoring attitude.
@Roamer: The world today is a global village.This is internet.ET is a good platform.Its better to interact than attack.People are giving personal views & comments.No one is writing Pakistan's foreign policy here.
@Roamer: I personely like to interact with Indians and enjoy listening to them if there are some bigots, there are also some serious intelegent and well mannered indians too who with all their difference of opinions never lose temper and civility.I believe this fire of hatred will calm down as we progress further showing more tolerance and accepting our mistakes. However I want to point out on one sad aspect which I have observed.That, for example, someone posted insultary remaks on me more than once and the number of recomendation is alarmingly high allthough there is no meaninfull content in these posts.This shows majority of indians are not intrested in meaninfull debates but point scoring.What should I say about these people.Pet animals are tuned to the whispers of their masters.They dont understand the language but whispers or whistle which is nothing but order to follow.Or these people proving that they are like these pets.My humble advise to these people is pls dont take it some sort of tussel but an effort to seek truth.I at this age of forty nine have learnet great lessons and one lessons that I have learnt in my life is accepting mistakes makes one more confident and beautifull denial makes one more coward and dwarf. Cheers Indians
@thor I agree Lalajee shouldn't bring India to the subject, as we Pakistanis have nothing to do with it but this begs to question what are the Indians doing here, if they are poking into our matters by posting comments about Pakistan and its internal matter,so will you please ask your friends and yourself to stop commenting here because if they will write these things then he has every right to defend himself and question the integrity of these posters country as well because as we all know both our countries have issues and if we address them properly instead of poking fun at each other and wasting time we will progress much faster.
@jat and other indian posters, one has to think what an Indian Hindu like you guys are doing on Pakistani newspaper website supporting something that you have no clue about, as I am quite sure you have never been to Pakistan so your support and appreciation for the author is worth a big question mark !!
Keep your comments and support on the subject to your own country, first be a role model yourself before poking into other country and its internal matters, this is exactly the reason why India has issues with all its neighbors.
We as Pakistanis at least are honest and have guts to understand our mistakes and raise it as an issue and we will overcome these issues as well without any outsiders help so please keep your comments and thinking to your side of the border, we don't need your support or words.
@ Author
A question , Sir ? What has prevented us for decades to have an honest dialogue with ourselves , to learn to speak the truth , and to have the patience to hear everybody's point of view ?
I am afraid you either simplify or avoid metioning factors paralysing almost the
entitre Muslim world for over a century now .
It is an iron-clad law ; all human societies that suppress freedom of thought and expression
stagnate and rot.
@Lala Gee: "I guess this article by an Indian writer, Ramananda Sengupta, “Why Bangladesh hates India” should be more than enough to counter your claims. Here is a brief from it:" The article is from 2005. The ground realities have completely changed. Wake up Rip Van WInkle.
@Lala Gee: "Please don’t forget to mention the details of the book, page number, publisher, and year for verification." For some reason my link to the exact source is not getting published here, but please google "US commission: Pakistan schools teach Hindu hatred" and you will get ample references.
@Roamer: idiotic general comments well..what Lala gee comments seems to you? You think they serve any purpose to the discussion. All he does is to someway drag India to every discussion & cry foul. Every country has its share of neighbor & border issues.Each country has its own problem. It is Lala gee who is trying to generalize by saying India has problem with every neighbor just as it has with Pakistan...which is not true.
Farman Nawaz
I am sorry, my friend, that you did not present Hazrat Jafar's words accurately. Probably, it was simply a mistake, but in your error, you missed a great opportunity to invite Jat into the Light of Islam.
Hazrat Jafar explained to the Christian king that before Arabs adopted Islam, they lived like animals. There was no light in their life, which was full of darkness. They followed no laws. They worshiped idols. After Islam, life was wonderful, there was peace, mutual respect, a civilized way of living.
Hearing this, King Negu was very impressed and shed many a tear of joy at having met such friendly and truthful people. Thus was the glory of Islam increased.
On this board which calls upon us to tell the truth and nothing but the truth, let this great tale of Islamic dawah and teaching not be misconstrued. Ameen.
@Roamer: @thor @jat instead of making idiotic general comments, please prove lalajee wrong
Our comments were in support and appreciation of the author of this article. If you still think they are "idiotic", then contact the editor of this newspaper. We don't have time for fools like you.
@Farman Nawaz: Sorry friend, am an Indian and a Hindu and not much familiar with Islamic history. But what you say sounds reasonable.
@Farman Nawaz: Sorry friend, am an Indian and a Hindu and not much familiar with Islamic history.
@Jat: Criticism of one owns nation is Sunnat. Does someone remember the speech of Hazrat Jafar at the court of Negus? It was basically a criticism of Quresh misdeeds. It was the first speech of a Muslim in front of Non.Arab. We can correct our mistakes by admitting our mistakes first. Once it will take shape of Heap then it is very difficult to correct them.
"...to move ahead we must have an honest dialogue with ourselves. We must learn to speak the truth and have the patience to hear everyone’s point of view"
This decade, or proabably the whole 60+ years, This is the wisest advice that given to Pakistan to survive and thrive as a matured soceity. unfotunately it's hard to make believe, any of Pakistani General, politicians and any leaders are too egoistic to accept this advice.
Is there hope? Yes, there is. But for us to move ahead we must have an honest dialogue with ourselves. We must learn to speak the truth and have the patience to hear everyone’s point of view. Let us make this happen
Yes, let's make it happen by voting for PTI, the only democratic, modern, forward looking party in the country!
@Hunter punter:
"Never fought any war with Sri Lanka. They have their own ethnic troubles and they have sorted them out."
Check this link to find out how India fought a clandestine war in Sri Lanka and imposed on them hovac for 20 long years by training, arming, and funding various terrorist groups. If possible read the whole article.
"Bangladesh has far better relations with India than with pakistan. Ofcourse the two have a huge border, and india being a far bigger economy attracts illiegal migrants."
I guess this article by an Indian writer, Ramananda Sengupta, "Why Bangladesh hates India" should be more than enough to counter your claims. Here is a brief from it:
"After our independence, India has time and again treated us with condescension and disdain. You have threatened to cut off our water sources. You have repeatedly accused us of harbouring anti-Indian rebels on our soil. Your border forces regularly attack our villages, rape our women. You accuse us of flooding India with illegal immigrants. And while mouthing platitudes about a free market, you deny us the right to sell our goods in India without tariffs. We might be poor, but we are Bengalis, we have some self-respect,
"Nepal, no issues. nepalis canm freely cross thge borger and work in India, even without any identity papers."
Read this wikipedia entry "Nepal-India Relationships: Relations between India and Nepal are close yet fraught with difficulties..", Also read this article by D.R. Prasai, "Nepal Relation With China is Cordial: Why Tension With India?"
"Bhutan, the happiest country on earth."
Then what was the need to revise the "Friendship Treaty" in 2007 that allowed Bhutan more freedom in foreign policy matters.
When you have no argument, only then one resort to personal attacks.
Intolerent primitive muslim mindsets are pakis main problem. In India , if something wrong happens , there are more than enough mature-sensible minds to make it correct and keep it right...
@Lala Gee: "I got my education from Kindergarten to University level in Pakistan, and I don’t remember any text in any of the subjects preaching hate against Hindus, Christians, and Jews".
BEfore I get into details - this OpEd related to Pakistan and was a source for introspection in case people in Pakistan felt something was not quite right. You are deflecting it to India - so the post is offtopic. Please see what TOticalling who is your compatriot has mentioned in terms of bigotry taught with exact references in attached url http://tribune.com.pk/story/465607/free-and-compulsory-education/ at Nov 15, 2012 - 12:34PM. ALso an article in Dawn http://dawn.com/2011/11/09/pakistan-schools-teach-hindu-hatred/ And finally a Wiki article that discusses challenges in the curriculum and reform efforts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistanitextbookscontroversy @Lala Gee :"World has seen and fully documented their level of tolerance. Here is a photographic evidence of the Indian’s brutality, malevolence, and intolerance as preserved by the Human Rights Watch, the most prestigious international human rights watchdog. Do not forget to read the captions. After viewing these pictures, no person having slightest of scruples and conscience would talk about Pakistani’s intolerance". SO as a Pakistani as long as there is some intolerance in India, you are satisfied with Pakistanis being killed and oppressed. Interesting thought process. ALso your post is off-topic since nowhere in the OpEd was India mentioned. Having said I will respond to you anyway. You also provided some HRW reports that you had attached in another blog, so I will respond to that with the same information. Most examples you gave related to communal violence. Well Indian courts are backlogged and justice is often delayed but it is not denied. 33 people have been convicted in the Gujarat riots case after the report you have attached the link to was published. This included a senior minister. More importantly due to the fact that civil society, media, judiciary have acted in concert, India has not had any incident of communal violence in the last 11 years. This is because we believe that learning from our mistakes and fixing it is more important. Now you tell me when was the last time Hazara Shias wee plucked from a bus and target killed. Do you think it is likely that the blasphemy law which is blatantly used for land grab cases and used mostly against minorities will be changed after the fate of Taseer, Bhatti, Qadri and the judge who sentenced Qadri? What about the institutionalized bigotry against Ahmadis in your constitution? Oh and also please tell me what action has been taken on the Hamoudur Rehman report and the atrocities that were committed on your own citizens in Operation searchlight. Communal harmony is far better in India today than it was 30 years back. Can you say the same about Pakistan?
@Lala Gee, please read this book to find specific reference of hatred against Hindus and Sokhs in Pakistan school text books written by a Pakistani
Enemies within and enemies without: The besieged self in Pakistani textbooks Rubina Saigol
@thor @jat instead of making idiotic general comments, please prove lalajee wrong if the report from human rights watch was also full of factual errors? about Gujrat and Kashmir and friendly relations of India with its neighbors. I atleast believe that both the countries have their own problems that should be addressed by themselves as the writer said and our country is not full of angels so we should focus on our country instead of wasting time reading anything from across the border
I just read the comments and really had to make sure if I was reading a newspaper from Pakistan or India as all the comments are from across the border, can we file a suit against them for stalking :)
Laa Gee:
Murder of History in Pakistan text books – TV Talk by Najam Sethi http://www.pakistanherald.com/Program/Aapas-Ki-Baat-March-14-2012-Muneeb-Farooq-10016
@Yoghurt lover: +1 . Lalajee goes off like a broken record and is incapable of facing facts. In fact, some comments here are copy-pasted from lis earlier lies, err... ... comments.
@Lala Gee: Its because of people like you ..whole Pakistanis are being labelled as Pathological liars.
@Ranjit: Thanks. I totally agree. Muslims have immensely enriched the convas of India in the field of fine arts like , dancing, poetry, kissa kahani, painting, sculpture, architecture, theater, drama. music and above every thing in spirituality by giving us the SUFI thought. Finest artisans and progressive brains were from Muslims who we remember.
@Milestogo: Pakistan is best country in world.
Very true - Miles ahead.
Pakistan is best country in world.
@sabi:
"Bravo! you have exposed yourself to full extant and proved my reading about you fully right. A man is known in crisis.you have failed yourself completely.This is your tollerance level.I don’t blame you but the envoirnment where you live.I feel pity for you."
World has seen and fully documented their level of tolerance. Here is a photographic evidence of the Indian's brutality, malevolence, and intolerance as preserved by the Human Rights Watch, the most prestigious international human rights watchdog. Do not forget to read the captions. After viewing these pictures, no person having slightest of scruples and conscience would talk about Pakistani's intolerance.
@Lala Gee writes to me "Only a low mentality would resort to personal attacks, instead of rebutting with counter arguments and facts"
That's actually true. But in your case I guess I made an exception. You are incapable of logic. Look at the long list of lies you have mentioned. Perhaps you have been listening to the wrong people.
Neways, do look at the mirror and if you can teach the person in the mirror to be logical, reasonable and sane, you would have done the favor to Pakistan of getting rid of 1 blockhead from Pakistan. It's a small step.
@sabi @Ranjit
Brilliant take. Kudos to you both.
@Lala Gee: With China, Indochina trade is at USD 60 billion. Pakistan fought the wars, and is the country which pioneered the use of terrorists as stategic assets. Never fought any war with Sri Lanka. They have their own ethnic troubles and they have sorted them out. Bangladesh has far better relations with India than with pakistan. Ofcourse the two have a huge border, and india being a far bigger economy attracts illiegal migrants. Nepal, no issues. nepalis canm freely cross thge borger and work in India, even without any identity papers. Bhutan, the happiest country on earth. Goa/junagdh/kashmir are issues that torment pakistan. Fact is that your reply shows that even if you have seen the mirror, you have not accepted the real issue. If you continue hallucianting and glossing over, there will be no "foreign hand" to blame. God helps those who help themselves.
@Jat: "@sabi: Tiny mind, small thinking. First open the windows of your brain, if you have any left, let in some fresh air, and then read the comment again, and again, and again… it is not about me." Bravo! you have exposed yourself to full extant and proved my reading about you fully right. A man is known in crisis.you have failed yourself completely.This is your tollerance level.I don't blame you but the envoirnment where you live.I feel pity for you.
A very good thought. However, what you are prescribing is what many others have done before as well: Going after the terrorists, catching those funding them and all. But what is that going to do? An unemployed man is always going to look for something to do... What you are saying is not a bad idea... Yes, in the short term, these things have to be curbed but this is certainly not going to solve the issue. You are telling us to treat the symptoms, but the causes that are illiteracy, unemployment, food insecurity; they will persist. There are many countries in the world where extremists have not taken as much of a hold on people's minds as they have in Pakistan. Yet, they suffer as well.
I am not saying what you have written is wrong. But, I think our orators also need to stir anger and worry among people for causes like education, health, food security; the lack of which is what is fueling terrorism.
@sabi: Religion must not be the be all in our lives. I think of myself as a Indian Sikh most Pakistani's think they are Sunni Muslim Pakistani or Shia Muslim Pakistani reverse the order think of yourselves as Pakistani Muslim Shia/ Sunni and you will find a lot of your problems are no longer there.
S Hussain Zadi in his book Dongri to Dubai reviles another source of funding to these forces , it is Dawood Ibrahim . He controls the pirated DVD market in the gulf , Pakistan and India and funds the extreme right parties and the TTP and in the process buys his insurance .
@sabi: Tiny mind, small thinking. First open the windows of your brain, if you have any left, let in some fresh air, and then read the comment again, and again, and again... it is not about me.
@Jat: "Mr Editor, this is what most of the Pakistanis tell me when I try saying all the things you say." It's your wrong tone,not the contents, which puts doubts on your intent of being biased and arrogant (Arrogance for what! ..).My dear arrogance is nothing but self deception.If you wish you be heard, for your own sake be humble and sympthatic.Say the truth in its right perspective. No offence intended
@Ranjit:
"that starts with changing the education curriculum in schools and college to focus less on religion and more on all round, liberal, tolerant mindset………."
Totally agree, and must also be done in India as well, otherwise there wouldn't have been the barbarities committed by Indian Hindu mobs against Sikhs, Muslims, and Christian minorities on various occasions.
"it is the education system that brainwashes kids from an early age against hindus, ahmedis, christians, jews et"
I got my education from Kindergarten to University level in Pakistan, and I don't remember any text in any of the subjects preaching hate against Hindus, Christians, and Jews. As you live in India and most likely never have seen any Pakistani text book, it is difficult to accept your assertions without some credible proof. Can you quote any particular reference from any of the text books, preferably recent, taught in Pakistani schools. Please don't forget to mention the details of the book, page number, publisher, and year for verification.
indeed true picture painted by words of current Pakistan...but having all said that.. we are identifying our problems since long.. but nation is still in a deep slumber... writing whole about problems and traumas in the end just three lines cannot awake them....Being a journalist we need to do more
Fantastic article. The Press and Media, during the 2013 General Elections, should make all major political parties to take a position on all major issues confronting Pakistan - the State, the society, the executive, the Parliament and the ESTABLISHMENT.
@Ranjit: Brilliant agreed.
@Author: Great OpEd. Your ending to was perfect. You ended on a hopeful note with a call to action. @sabi: Well spoken.
Mr. Siddiqi,
The only way to break this cycle is to go for a bottom up solution i.e. a grassroots change........that starts with changing the education curriculum in schools and college to focus less on religion and more on all round, liberal, tolerant mindset..........it is the education system that brainwashes kids from an early age against hindus, ahmedis, christians, jews etc........when the kids grow up, this brainwashing manifests itself in bigotry, hatred and intolerance against anyone different from them........secondly move away from India being an enemy...........that is the root cause of Islamic distortion in Pakistan........this anti-India mindset is a carryover from the 1940s and it makes no sense in today's world.......to be anti-India, one needs to support jihad, which means at least tolerating fundamentalists.........this has not hurt India but it has certainly ruined your country and civilization.......take away the anti-India rhetoric and the entire vicious cycle of hatred and bigotry starts reversing.........
At some point, muslims need to step back and take a look at the big picture..........at one point in time, muslims were the top community in India........muslims unified India politically from a multitude of hindu rajas........muslims led India to become an economic superpower in its days.........they made amazing contribution to its culture............today, the same muslim community is trapped in a self-destructive cycle, having partitioned itself into 3 parts and then adopting a needlessly confrontational, jihadi mindset against a people who are not their enemies by any stretch of imagination...........in fact, the brightest future for muslims in the subcontinent is still in India............at least, people can take out Muharram processions and come back alive to their homes.........
Author. At the end of successfull search there is allways one underlying cause of the disease found.rest are just the outcome of that cause. It is now open secret that religion in politics has caused all this mess.And this politicising of religion is deep imbeded in constitution.No body dares to talk on this issues as every voice that dared to open mouth was silenced by millitants who ennjoy total freedom of thoughts and freedom of actions.Why because they have guns.How can these people be brouht on negotiation table when other side is unarmed.This is not possible withouht the use of massive force.The way towards peaceful, prosperous future goes through burning jungle.No body wants to adopt that way but ironically there is no other option except that path of slöw death Brilliant article kudos
@Lala Gee
Have you ever asked the question what is wrong with Pakistan and found no answer? Well, look no further than the mirror in your bedroom, you will in fact see what is wrong with Pakistan.
@Lala Gee: " ... If so, perhaps then they also sponsored ‘Mukti Bahini’ and ‘LTTE, TNA, TELO, EROS, PLOTE, EPRLF’ as well in the past. ... "
Lala, why do you forget who created the first "Mukti Bahini" ? Was it not Pakistan who first used the concept of "Mukti Bahini" by sending armed lashkars to Jammu and Kashmir to "liberate" the place ?
@Author:
"To wash away its own sins, much of our tax-chor business community (not multinationals) voluntarily pay money to extremist organisations in the name of Islam. Mainstream political parties court them for a few seats. Our intelligence agencies protect them and fund them. If we stop these three lifelines, most extremist entities will collapse."
I am not sure if you mean that the above entities are sponsoring TTP, BLA, and many other terrorist outfits operating within Pakistan. If so, perhaps then they also sponsored 'Mukti Bahini' and 'LTTE, TNA, TELO, EROS, PLOTE, EPRLF' as well in the past. And, everybody knows that ISI paid billions of dollars to various Afghan Mujahideen groups - now terrorists - during 'Jihad' against Russia, and Uncle Sam has nothing to do with it.
Everything you have said makes sense. You have painted a very vivid and accurate picture but no one wants to buy it. Try giving it away free and people will not take it because they are sceptical and they don't want to have a dialogue with themselves. This engineered chaos has already created a vacuum, which the criminal elements and religious extremists are occupying. When they entrench themselves firmly they will challenge the State and then many will run because they have the back door open but others will have to stand and fight and then we may see change.
Mr Kamal Siddiqi, you have outdone yourself. Probably the best piece you have written.
regards,
Jat
To wash away its own sins, much of our tax-chor business community (not multinationals) voluntarily pay money to extremist organisations in the name of Islam. Mainstream political parties court them for a few seats. Our intelligence agencies protect them and fund them. If we stop these three lifelines, most extremist entities will collapse.
But Mr Editor, does your elite establishment really wants these extremists entities to collapse ? Whichever government comes, these entities keep on gaining strength. They are like leeches getting fat on the blood of Pakistanis.
Editor saab, you self righteous and arrogant person, hurling your malicious venom, harping on about how evil Pakistan really bad, you smell of jealousy Mr Bal Thakery, Pakistan bashing is your only entertainement.
Mr Editor, this is what most of the Pakistanis tell me when I try saying all the things you say. Please switch off your phone, don't log in to your twitter and facebook accounts, don't answer the door after dark and pray.