Pakistan intelligentsia and academia should be grateful to Hoodbhoy, for he has consistently attempted to expand the space for enlightened views in an environment of bigotry and fascism, proudly nurtured by Pakistan’s civilian and military rulers for their opportunistic goals. It is immaterial whether the grounds for his leaving a leading university are technically or legally sound. This is about institutions and systems that work against one another and berate non-conformists.
Lums’ departments have valid reasons and full authority to hire and fire people. My sources inform me that the Social Sciences department finds Hoodbhoy’s academic skills not fully relevant (fair enough); and the physics department chair was not inclined to extend his services for a variety of reasons, none of them expressly ideological.
Is an ‘ideological’ shift underway? This is a contentious issue. However, there is a brazen rise of ‘religion’ in the Pakistani public space. Television, cyber space, political parties, and most importantly, public culture is increasingly hostage to a motley crew of religious conservatives and preachers. Not all signs of religiosity are represented by the Taliban or by the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi. The Tableeghi Jamaat is reportedly growing on the Lums campus, having established quite a fearsome presence over the past few years and recruiting a number of on-roll and graduated Lums students. Al Huda, another preaching outfit, is well-positioned in the urban middle classes and elites in Pakistan (and even abroad). I have no particular issue with this phenomenon except that these developments must not crowd out the secularists and liberals who, for a tolerant and harmonious society, should be able to exhibit freely that space is provided to all shades of opinion. But this is a lopsided battle because ‘soft’ radicalisation is thriving in an environment where core state institutions continue to use extremism as a policy instrument and both autonomous and semi-autonomous outfits use religion to justify barbaric violence against those whom they consider ‘infidels’, blow up pluralistic spaces such as Sufi shrines and browbeat the media into submission. In such a milieu, those who are secular cannot survive and increasingly, he or she is physically endangered for being a US agent or a traitor at large. Therefore, the identity of Pakistan is akin to an undefined, often contentious interpretation of religion backed by martial-nuclear prowess.
Unfortunately, Hoodbhoy fails all the tests of this paranoid schizophrenic framework of nationalism. He opposes extremism so he is a US agent (Imran Khan, the torchbearer of change, said so in a distasteful TV show). He warns against nuclear weapons and so he becomes a traitor. He says science, learning and public discourse should be secular so he is ‘unpatriotic’. The Pakistani right wing’s favourite anti-US hero, Noam Chomsky, has been tolerated in American universities and enjoys a public space despite all the constraints.
Hoodbhoy is an asset for a beleaguered Pakistan. Too bad that Lums is losing him. Standing by Hoodbhoy is not an act of deriding a private university, whatever standard it may excel in, but is part of upholding the cause for academic excellence, intellectual freedoms and ultimately, the cause for a tolerant, plural, democratic Pakistan.
Published in The Express Tribune, November 2nd, 2012.
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Can someone do me a favor. Could that repeated reply to Pious pure Alam; the thing tts destined for heavenly heaven; be erased. Thanks.
Sir Alam
Thanks. I did not expect this coming from You Sir. But thats fine, coz we all have the freedom to agree to disagree. I will do it sweetly and without any combat startegy or arsenals. The 'eulogy' U sure would know a lot abt. I don't do that. I live and let live everything from an extreme left to an exxtreme right species. A 'eulogy' is post-humous. I like to appreciate good people before they go to Heaven. Battle Hardened strong wise People are my Role models. I like them UNconditionally with wteva little flaws they might have. We all are human at the end of the day. So 'eulogy' for the Soul who is in Heaven is good but unfortunately the message doesnt reach him.
@ Sir Alam
Thanks. I did not expect this coming from You Sir. But thats fine, coz we all have the freedom to agree to disagree. I will do it sweetly and without any combat startegy or arsenals. The 'eulogy' U sure would know a lot abt. I don't do that. I live and let live everything from an extreme left to an exxtreme right species. A 'eulogy' is post-humous. I like to appreciate good people before they go to Heaven. Battle Hardened strong wise People are my Role models. I like them UNconditionally with wteva little flaws they might have. We all are human at the end of the day. So 'eulogy' for the Soul who is in Heaven is good but unfortunately the message doesnt reach him.
@Alam
Thanks. I did not expect this coming from You Sir. But thats fine, coz we all have the freedom to agree to disagree. I will do it sweetly and without any combat startegy or arsenals. The 'eulogy' U sure would know a lot abt. I don't do that. I live and let live everything from an extreme left to an exxtreme right species. A 'eulogy' is post-humous. I like to appreciate good people before they go to Heaven. Battle Hardened strong wise People are my Role models. I like them UNconditionally with wteva little flaws they might have. We all are human at the end of the day. So 'eulogy' for the Soul who is in Heaven is good but unfortunately the message doesnt reach him.
What an Eulogy. Birds of the same feather. I must credit LUMS for taking such a Bold step. Polluting young minds.Secularist & LL(Liberated Liberal).
@Haider Abbas, Ph.D.: Dr. Abbas we acknowledge your selfless, noble work and much appreciate Teachers like you and Doc Hoodbhoy. An institution like LUMS hasnt been good. This story has become a larger than life drama; and so much is vague and unclear. My daughter graduated from IBA few years back and when she left, I went as an MBA Evening student. That place is sacred. Teachers MashaAllah are angels and I am so at home there, I do feel privileged. But now I have to pray harder for all 'Temples of Learning'. And Dr. Haider YOU and all teachers are held on a pedestal and worshipped by students and their parents. So smile and be happy. We adore your'll:)
@observer:
I have no time for the water car. I meant he is against A. Q. Khan, who became a household name in Pakistan, since he helped us acquire a nuclear power status, by the grace of Allah Subhana. Be careful, before you come to incorrect conclusions.
PH is a national treasure, though at times I have been against some of his conclusions, but that was based on politics not science. I feel sorry for him, he had not been given a tenure period. I was given a tenure after only 7 years, of which 6 I spent as the Assistant Professor and a tenure was a forgone conclusion. I no longer have the respect for the institution that institution that does not bend for the Professor, instead it takes him to task and gets rid of him at the first opportunity. God Bless PH and those of his ilk.
"Standing by Hoodbhoy is not act of deriding private university, but upholding tolerant, plural, democratic Pakistan." Diagreed.
Mr Hoodbhoy not impressing his current employers to keep paying him is not exactly 12/12/12. And please don't make this out to be a case of a poor liberal being lynched by the right, as LUMS is hardly a religious or conservative institution. If he is as good as he clearly thinks he is, any other university will snatch him at a better package.
Looking out for your comrade is all well and good but there are worse things happening to arguably better people out there.
This absolutely is a contentious issue and I am not happy. I already had apprehensions and things here are getting worse by the day. Punjab has to wake-up to the fact that it might just have too many homegrown religious fundamentalists. Someone above mentioned USAID has an office in LUMS. That feels good. But stop fighting. Not all religious bearded and veiled students are extremists and neither would I badmouth liberals who wear skinny tght jeans and sleeveless tops.LUMS Spokesperson owes us a sane explanation regarding this issue. All of this has to be cleard by LUMS.And yes, reading all the comments above enlightened me. Finally, I hate to say this, but for God's Sake have moderate decent conversations. Some of you have to hold a mirror and look inside of you. Live and let live please.
@Waheeda Islam:
There is also a rumour that you are a witch but I urge people to ignore it!
@Shahbaz Asif Tahir:
He has been at logger heads with several other scientists, who question his irrational, and illogical ideas about Islamic beliefs.He suffers from the reality of non recognition,in Pakistan, since all Muslims from Pakistan, appreciate Dr A.Q, Khan,
Excellent. You have just proved that PH is being hounded for disagreeing with Dr Q on the great achievement of Islamic science called the 'Water Car'.
@A. Etchen: Whatever the merits of his physics credentials, and we should also keep in mind that a towering figure in a field is someone whose contributions are apparent to the world aka Einstein, Steve Jobs, Gates, Murthy, Premji etc. I don't believe (though you can prove me wrong) that Hoodbhoy has accomplishments making him irreplacable. If this is so, surely he would be being approached and offered high reminuration right now from various scientific orgs or firms. Coming back to the point, perhaps Hoodbhoy is liked by many because of his clear political stance that the majority of extreme liberals (and I consider myself a liberal though by no means extreme), agree with. They place him on a pedestal where he doesn't belong.
@Lala Gee:
Islam is a deen, a complete way of life and must be implemented in the entire socio, political, economic, and financial way of life. The word madhab, never appeared either in the Holy Quran, nor in the authentic Sunnah of the Holy Prophet, SAWS. Allah Subhana wanted humans to eatablish his vicegerancy on earth, and for that purpose he created humans, to be sent to the earth, for an appointed time period. Kindly refer to the Tafseer, on this in Surah Baqharah. In a country, where the majority, of the people are Muslim, following are some basic principles: Soverignity belongs to Allah Subhana alone, not only in principal, but even in practise. The Quran and Sunnah must be the supreme law of the land. It must take precedence , over the entire constitution. Any legislation that is repugnant to the Quran and Sunnah, can never be implemented. (This clause is already in the 1973 constitution), how ever it has been restricted to the council of Islamic ideology, whose report, has to this date, never been made public, or perhaps even discussed. Non Muslims, must be a protected minority. Their places of worship, their properties, must be protected by the state. Finally "Amarahum, Wa shura bainahum", all other matters, by mutual consent. All schools of thought, will have right of personal law, but the law of the land, is the above four principles. The Messenger of Allah, SAWS, established the model Islamic state, in Madina, This is the model, which was followed by all the four rightly guided caliphs. The Messenger of Allah SAWS, said in an authentic hadith "Oh people Prophethood, will remain untill Allah wills, after which it will end, that is I would leave the world. This will be followed by the Khulifa Rashideen, then would be mulookiat, then dictatorship, and finally remergence of the Khilafah." The Quran states emphatically " A Prophet, has come to you, with guidance of the true way of life, so that it emerges over all other systems and ways no matter, how much the polytheists, detest it." Surah Taubah Holy Quran. It is pointless to make excuses about repurcussions to Muslims in India, about this. Muslims have been suffering at the hand of hindu zionists, since partition, who have been butchering Muslims. Take Gujrat, Hyderabad, A.P, Bombay, and during Babri Masjid riots. India is welcome to implement their hindu agenda, as it will not be much different from present times.
this is really confusing and shocked for putting LUMS in such matters. Institutional integrity must be above persons and that can sustain them. Unluckily in our society is divided quite not on equal basis as there is huge and increasing gaps between among different thoughts or ideologies. we have extreme left and right so as liberals and extremists - both are damaging our soical and peaceful fabric of society. We need a middle way not any extreme on either side. in today's setup, reiligion may be viewed as someones personal matter and he/she mayn't imposes her/his opinion on others. If i recite Holy Quran and offer five prayers daily then i shouldn't be labelled religious - a term has degraded interpretations. i just want to be a normal Muslim in my God's way and HE is only one to judge my actions. But here lies a dual face of our society or hypocracy as if you listen SUFI music and dance on such tunes either by folk, classics, JAZZ or Pop bands then peopole can sense SUFISM in you but these so-called SUFIS themselves easily label others normal Muslims - Islamists or religious. i dont know where this ends.
RR and PH - we need future generations that can win Nobel in Physics, Chemistry, Medicine and Literature, you need to bridge this gap at least if your generation isn't able to give us those Nobels then let give way for future generations. there are many people and institutions to face and counter extremisism and bigotry in this society and i ensure you they are quite popular and have fame in local and abroad and in all media outlets.
@Shahbaz Asif Tahir: Hoodbhoy and Nayyar are assets of this country. Had we paid any attention to what they have been saying for decades, particularly about hate material in our textbooks, we would not be in this state now, with muslims killing both non-muslims and muslims with impunity. But you probably believe that it is all someone else's doing.
Regarding the scientific and teaching credentials of Hoodbhoy, you should probably say that he did not gain any 'official recognition'. That is because of his blunt views about the powerful of this country. Also he does not think that a car can be run on water. Now that gained a lot of 'recognition inside Pakistan.' Btw. the 'father of our bum' (someone who 'gained recognition inside Pakistan', also thinks a car can be run on water). Hoodbhoy does not have official recognition, because the pygmies who populate our officialdom cannot see someone who towers above them ... they only see their likes, pygmies.
Hoodbhoy has boundless public recognition and admiration, and that no smear campaign can take away from him.
@Daniyal Malik:
Sir, I know what I am writing; those who use a dict are exposed anyways thanks
@Shahbaz Asif Tahir: Shahbaz, much of what yo say comes out of either ignorance or spite. I am told that every physicist of Pakistan holds him in high esteem as a physicist based on what he has accomplished in research and how he comes out in technical discussions on physics. He rubs shoulders with giants of the world in physics, a feat that not many in the country can claim. I suggest you learn about him from physicists so that you can dispel your negativity and start discussing the matter rationally.
Sir, my country is marred with much more pressing issues, to include poverty, inflation and terrorism; I would be glad if you can address these issues. Let me assure you that, no commoner, so to speak would we fazed by this highly-touted fiasco; they need peace,land and bread (Lenin). I can vociferous vouch for the fact, that you would've eulogized LUMS had it kicked out a bearded teacher with a tinge of religious inclinations.
PLZ PLZ PLZ; practice what you preach. If people like me write about the threats from India to the country, you fume with rancour; blatantly blame us as agents/war mongers, even though that we vent to our claims.
However, this article epitomizes your fondness of kindling a conspiracy theory. Give evidences to corroborate your arguments.
The VC of LUMS is remunerated to take decision, which he deems to be the best; he is not accountable to you or me, only to LUMS
@A. Etchen:
Hoodbhoy did not gain any recognition at least in Pakistan, for his academic credentials. Even though he is from MIT, no one in Pakistan even knew him for his academic qualifications, or his teaching ability. He became prominent, ever since he has been venting against Islam, and Islamic way of life. These have been on private TV channels, and university/college gatherings. He is quick to blame Pakistan, for its immense nucleur capability, yet is silent about India, and Israel. For him only we Muslims, are evil, and the rest are heaven decended angels, free of faults. None would have even discussed Hoodbhoy, had he not commented, on Islam, and given his irrational, illogical, and demented ideas publically. Same is the case with A.H. Nayyar, who is a carbon copy of Hoodbhoy. Such people have damaged Pakistan, extensively, and deserve no sympathy. Shame on them, and shame on the demented liberal, secular, mindset who supports them.
@Shahbaz Asif Tahir:
"Pakistan came into being since the Muslims, wanted a seperate state, where they would establish the rule of Allah Subhana, and definitely not secularism."
1- Allah already rules the whole universe since He created it, and does not need any mortal's help to maintain it.
2- If you meant to establish 'Sharia', then there is an obvious problem. 'Sharia' as interpreted by which sect? Even though Sunnis are in majority in Pakistan - and unless you plan to declare Sunni 'Fiqah' is the only right 'Fiqah' - that would also be impractical, and you cannot expel the followers of other sects, or put them under permanent subjugation.
3- Are you ready to accept India's right to declare herself Hindu state, and treat Muslims according to their beliefs, which would definitely put Muslims below the 'Untouchable' class. Or, USA, UK, Canada, and the rest of the West declare their countries Christian states and treat Muslims there like second class citizens.
"When Cripps, came to undivided India, with fresh proposals, he wanted India to be one country, with some rights for the Muslims. Jinnah said ” By a seperate state, I mean a state, where the Muslims, can furnish their lives in accordance to the Quran and Sunnah”
1- Well if that is the case, nor India, nor any Western and secular countries prohibit Muslims, or the followers of any other religion, to practice and live according to their religious beliefs, rather, unlike Pakistan, this right is constitutionally guaranteed to every citizen of the state.
2- What do you say about the 'Cabinet Mission Plan', which Quaid-e-Azam accepted. If you don't know, it was a proposal to keep India united under a confederation, which Indian National Congress refused.
3- What do you say about the famous speech of Quaid-e-Azam he made on 11th August, 1947 in the first session of the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan, in which he categorically denied any role of State in the matters of religion.
Pakistan was created to protect the socio-economic and political rights of the Muslims of the sub-continent, not to save the religion of Islam from extinction, as no worldly power has the ability to do so, as God is its guardian and protector.
There has been an instigated smear campaign against Professor Pervez Hoodbhoy, commented on by people who do not know him or his academic credentials. Prof Hoodbhoy is an accomplished physicist, whose sound research is deeply valued for being heavily cited in the scientific literature. He supervised many PhD theses at Quaid-i-Azam University which were refereed by the best of physicists in the area, who paid glowing tribute to the work done in the theses. He himself has acted as a referee of several prestigious journals.
Professor Hoodbhoy is an extremely good teacher. In response to the current issue of renewal of contract, over 500 students signed and submitted a petition to the LUMS administration asking for a continuation of his contract. His faculty colleagues in the department also took up the issue individually as well as collectively with the chairman, dean and the VC. None of this would have happened if the statements in the vilification campaign to the effect that he did not perform his duties well were true. Those of the readers who wish to get a taste of Professor Hoodbhoy's teaching ought to see the video recording of his lectures posted on the LUMS website
http://panopto.lums.edu.pk/CourseCast/Student/CourseContents.aspx?id=213ea8b6-701a-421e-9212-91f4280ee384 or http://panopto.lums.edu.pk/CourseCast/Student/CourseContents.aspx?id=94596616-718c-4f62-a0fd-108b6093c0f0
At LUMS, he designed a unique course in political science, called Science and the World Order. In this course he also let the students interact electronically with the greats like Noam Chomsky, John Avery and many more. The smear campaign has wrongly labelled this course as Islam and science to generate a negative impression.
I have written all this so that the less knowledgable readers and commentators get to the basic point of the debate rather than get distracted by a foul campaign of discrediting Prof Hoodbhoy launched by the LUMS administration.
For peaceful pakistan we need to ignore raza rumi and zaid hamid type of people, and find some middle ground
@Mehr:
"And you have tarnished the one great educational institution of our country that was becoming the model of pluralism, that had transcended the fundo/liberal extremist divide that both sides endlessly harp about in their english op-eds and twitter posts."
What an excellent comment over all, probably the best so far, and your last para is the essence. Who knows if that is the real purpose of all this hoopla.
@Azad: @Indian:
Jinnah is respected by all of us from Pakistan. How ever he is not our role model. Our role model can only be the last and final Messenger, sent to humanity, Prophet Mohammed SAWS, and his noble companions. Our salvation in the eternal hereafter only lies in following the way of the Habib of Allah, SAWS, and his noble companions, the best creation after the Prophets. Pakistan came into being since the Muslims, wanted a seperate state, where they would establish the rule of Allah Subhana, and definitely not secularism. When Cripps, came to undivided India, with fresh proposals, he wanted India to be one country, with some rights for the Muslims. Jinnah said " By a seperate state, I mean a state, where the Muslims, can furnish their lives in accordance to the Quran and Sunnah" Mr Indian, you are welcome to accomodate individuals like Hoodbhoy, into your cabinet team. There are several other secular bigots, in Pakistan, who try to push your hegemonous agenda, in Pakistan. I am sure several of us will find life, Inshallah, a lot easy, once we say "good riddance to bad rubbish". Finally before you comment on our platform, try straightening demented bigots, like Bal Thackerey, Modi, Advani, who waste no time in venting hatred against Islam, and Pakistan
@S. Zaidi: You are appealing to reason but is it not that something which is lacking at LUMS. One is made conscious of everyday. PH is fighting an uphill battle in the land of jiyaalas.
@The other PH:
Thank you for telling us the other side of the story.
WRITE A PETITION ASKING PUNJAB UNIVERSITY TO HIRE HIM AND LET PRIVATE UNIVERSITIES DO WHAT THEY WANT TO.
ENOUGH OF THIS DRAMA ALREADY!!!!!
An 'overly-window-dressed-article' in defense and support of a pathologically-obsessed 'Offender' of the Pakistan and Islamic Ideology...He should seriously consider relocating and settling in Aeglemont, France...
@S.A.Kaker: It's unfortunate that people like yourself do not understand that losing the job or the salary is so not the issue here. That is any university's prerogative, provided that proper procedure is followed. Nowhere in his letter to the VC did PH ask LUMS to even reconsider its decision. All he asked for was that a transparent procedure be followed and he asked for clear answers in this regard. The reason he didn't get them was because LUMS doesn't have a leg to stand on. Infact his fight to get an answer has all but ruined his chances of getting a job in any other university. So please this straight ... this is not about a job or a salary. It's about expecting fair treatment, and crying foul at unfairness.
He has a PhD in physics and was part of the social sciences faculty?. Wow and LUMS is considered a "top" university??.
I was asked to sign a petition to save Hoodbhoy's job by a few pakistani students and academics in London as well, but I refused. This is a simple matter of LUMS not finding his subject expertise relevant for its courses. Just being a celebrity will not result in him adding value to his students life. What i find interesting is this huge lobby backing Hoodbhoy's tenure as a professor- I wonder who framed his dismissal as a political issue in the first place! Him and his friends should focus on finding him a new job rather than cry Shame!
It would be interesting know what he got on the student evaluations over the two years that he has been at LUMS.
To all those questioning PH's academic credentials and research work, he is a) and MIT graduate and b) has a lengthy list of publications in some of the best international Physics journals.
Yes, we did miss sir Hoodhboys class on wednesday last but because we had requested sir to let us off because we had his mid-term on weekend and we needed to spend another day after Eid at home. I can say that we missed no other class this semester or when he teached us classical mechanics in 2011. Always he reaches class before any student and always he completes full time of lecture. All else is nonsense against him. I love his teaching stile. He is the best we have seen at LUMS. STUDENT OF MODERN PHYSICS CLASS.
@Mehr:
And taunting girls with hijabs is a good thing? I get the whole hoo-ha about secularism at LUMS, but that's downright unprofessional conduct from any faculty member. Fighting intolerance with intolerance isn't a good strategy.
LUMS is loosing not Hoodbhai!. Dear Hoodbhai, Country needs you.
is there any "freedom" of thought here? we always want to have power in our own hands to declare someone agent of "West" and in most cases try him to leave the country. Many have left too!! I think we dont need enemy to attack Pakistan; we our destroying ourself easily. Lets pray to God for the right path.
@AKB: There is no SINGLE interpretation of the third Abrahamic religion, nor of the earlier two. Let a thousand flowers bloom.
what amazes me is the interest in this development which is proven by the number of comments. Elsewhere in the same paper is a news item about education is Pakistan where Prof. Hoodhboy has also spoken. There is not a single comment there !
@LUMS student: Being a LUMS student, there is a high probability you'll go to some famous uni in America or the UK eventually. And you'll be excited because you're going somewhere with some famous people on the faculty. Then, like me, you'll learn that you're exposure to them is very, very little if at all and some of them are hardly ever there. Some famous people may teach but you'll find out that they're actually very bad at it.
But those Unis know that just having those people listed in the faculty lends them credibility and has worth. Some unis deliberately hire controversial figures because they use this to prove they are open to discourse and debate. LUMS does not appear to understand this. Opinion is divided but LUMS has suffered a blow in credibility in the eyes of many.
@Shahbaz Asif Tahir: “If we want to make this great State of Pakistan happy and prosperous we should wholly and solely concentrate on the well-being of the people, and especially of the masses and the poor... you are free- you are free to go to your temples mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the state... in due course of time Hindus will cease to be Hindus and Muslims will cease to Muslims- not in a religious sense for that is the personal faith of an individual- but in a political sense as citizens of one state” (Quaid e Azam Muhammd Ali jinnah). Who are you!
"It is wrong to maintain that the Tablighi Jamaat has a fearsome presence; they are one of the most nicest people on campus and they do not recruit people; students embrace the msg first and then they join the group"
Very nice description. After all fear and love are two sides of same coin.
@Shahbaz Asif Tahir: India, to accomodate him. After all he keeps supporting their agenda, and blaming Islam and Pakistan. Please send him here, we need more brains like him..... India has always 'accomodated' men of stature... Pakistan's loss would be India's gain.... Blaming Pakistan - yes he did... But blaming Islam - When did he do that mate??? He was blaming irrationality all the time..... Infact he has appreciated the contribution of Muslims to the scientific world.. Only problem is that contribution came long back and were too few to quote.... As i said, Pakistan's loss would be India's gain... If you guys are so bent on kicking out whatever little scientific opinion is left in the country.... Once again - Good luck Pakistan!!!
raza rumi, very well written. Hoodbhoy is a high and the most prominent intellectual of our society, who is not afraid of speaking the truth.He have stand the quality and voiced for pluralism. he is a man of honour and need s respect. its not a matter of a single contract but lums if losing a huge asset. its about time and knowledge he was giving there. i wish hoodbhoy a bless life.
@p r sharma: "@gp65: sir, there is nothing wrong with the concept of secular individual Secular individual denotes his/ her secular mindset exhibited in his activities unbiased by his religious influence. .. Normally a person is called as liberal (instead of secular. but liberal has a spectrum wider than being secular) or conservative, words acquire meaning by its intended usage."
I beg to differ Sir. Secular is an institutional attribute whether a nation state, educational institute or a charity. It means these institutions will not differentiate between people on the basis of their faith.When we say India is secular, it does not mean there are no bigoted Hindus or Muslims in India. It simply means that there are no laws in India that discriminate against anyone on the basis of their faith or lack thereof. As an individual you can be tolerant or intolerant. Deeply religious people can be tolerant e.g. Gandhiji or Lincoln and atheists can be highly intolerant e.g. Mao. The revese ofcourse can also be true i.e. a believer being highly intolerant of other beliefs and atheist being highly tolerant is also very much possible.
@AKB: very well said sir. Thank you
@The other PH:
You're obviously an insider, and very good at misrepresenting facts. Maybe among those who engineered PH's removal.
1) PH has not 'scripted' anything. But apparently small administrative minds cannot fathom that.
2) The majority of the physics faculty were in favour of retaining PH, but their opinion has been misrepresented by the Chair. As it is there are only 5 - 6 assistant and 1 associate professor. No professor. So with so understaffed a department (they cannot even run a graduate program), how can they think of letting anyone go, specially someone of PH's caliber? If not ulterior motives, then what?
3) It's pure baloney that PH was not 'serious about teaching'. He guest lectures in small colleges with zero payment whenever he can. Please stop this smear campaign. If there were complaints against him, they should have been communicated to him in a timely and professional manner. They never were. Instead, he's been given shifting reasons for over six months now. This is clear from his letter to Adil Najam. It would have been nobler of LUMS administrators to reply to that letter in a professional manner rather than instigating this smear campaign.
4) PH never 'demanded' a high salary. As he says in his letter, he did not negotiate but simply accepted what was offered.
5) PH is leaving with dignity. It's LUMS that has muck all over its face. They don't even understand, that the job/salary is not the issue here. But then again, small minds....
It is utterly sad to see a very authentic writer like Raza Rumi to be talking about a matter he hardly knows about. Let me make it clear: Hoodbhoy's contract had nothing to do with his ideas or anything. On the contrary, he was welcomed by LUMS as soon as he retired from QAU. Issues were administrative and in the recruitment policy that didn't allow Visiting faculty members above 60, and he WAS offered a contract, the terms of which he didn't approve of. (If I'm not wrong, contracts are MUTUAL, so this one couldn't be concluded.) It is really sad how those who stand for fairness and authentic journalism are making an issue look so despairingly twisted.
@ Mr Righty Rightist: Plz focus on the PH debate (now turned into a comedy); give me one reason for bringing in the Tablighi Jamaat in this entire debate. Is there any proof for maintaining that Tablighi Jamaat has something to do with the fishy ouster of PH from LUMS? A big bold italic NO!! so why do we have to malign the Tablighi Jamaat. A good schooling ought to teach us all that drawing inferences and conclusions has to be based on some solid evidence and in this case that is lacking.
@Aftab Baloch: Errrr..... So girls who don the hijab do not have boyfriends ? Seriously ?
I hear that LUMS is hiring Agha Waqar in the position occupied by Hoodbhoy. There is a rumor that the LUMS VC sided with Waqar in the water car debate and hence decided to replace Hoodbhoy with the more productive scientist. Nothing wrong with that, is there? A victory for Islamic science I would think.
@Mir Agha: well go to any scientific database and look it up. Scientists judge each other not by the number of papers but their scietific value. It is called the H index. look it up...Hoodbhoy has one of the highest in Pakistan.
@Tariq: yes he has. several infact.
@AKB: you have openly admitted what PH is trying to say. appreciate for the honesty.
@gp65: sir, there is nothing wrong with the concept of secular individual Secular individual denotes his/ her secular mindset exhibited in his activities unbiased by his religious influence. .. Normally a person is called as liberal (instead of secular. but liberal has a spectrum wider than being secular) or conservative, words acquire meaning by its intended usage.
ET As an introduction to author it states,
"The writer is Director, Policy & Programmes Jinnah Institute, Islamabad. The views expressed are his own" What does that mean? as I don't see such introduction for other writers. Anyway I like to own his views
@Aftab Baloch: Summed it well Aftab!
@LUMS student: As a former student, I fully endorse what you said. LUMS has a student community from all shades of the spectrum, right to left, and their mutual peaceful presence is one of the strongest point of LUMS. It should be cherished not decried. Admittedly there are students with religious inclinations and tableeghi jamaat members but to say that they are recruiting people is ludicrous!
If educational institutions, whether private or state-run, are forced to, or think it convenient, to toe the extremist line, it is a sure sign that the cancer of intolerance is spreading in Pakistan.
As a former LUMinite, I cannot say much on the PH issue. But when I was at LUMS, there was plenty of space for expanding "reason" and multiple views. Indeed, marxism was taught (some might say preached) by Taimur Rahman and Asim Sajjad, feminism was taught (some might say preached) by several faculty, and secularism was the creed taught (and sometimes enforced) by almost all of the Hum Soc Sci Dept. Traditional Islam was critiqued on all corners and at all sides, and faculty who taught any such perspective were surely and steadily removed, much to the delight of the likes of Raza Rumi. The HoD, Ali Khan, used to regularly taunt girls who chose to wear hijab. Yes, the landscape of LUMS was sprinkled with burqas and beards, less than 3% of the student body, but people inside LUMS like you, Raza, and like other extremists like you (NFP etc) could not tolerate it and every effort was made to put an end to it.
The beautiful space that some describe above where Tablieeghis (or others) who were religious and other students who were not so religious were able to coexist peacefully and learn from each other was steadily eroded. Only a couple of watered down "reformist" "moderate" (read sellout) faculty remain. All spiritual discourse is banned. And the goal is to have anything but pluralism, rather produce students who love capitalism, materialism, hedonism. I simply cannot believe your last line that you want a tolerant, pluralist Pakistan. You and your ilk want a secular illiberal Pakistan and will pursue it at all costs. The PH fiasco has been used by PH and people like you for all the wrong reasons.
And you have tarnished the one great educational institution of our country that was becoming the model of pluralism, that had transcended the fundo/liberal extremist divide that both sides endlessly harp about in their english op-eds and twitter posts.
@LUMS Student
So, are you a member of Tableegi Jamaat? Sorry, a proud member?
@The other PH:
There is a lesson in this for LUMS. Instead of trying to soften the blow and finding a way to still try to accommodative him despite his lack of commitment, they should have told him to his face that he was slacking off in plain English, put him on an official probation, and given him a written warning that if his performance did not improve, his contract will not be renewed. Professor Hoodbhoy has a brain that can understand the Higgs Boson particle, I am sure it would have been elementary for him to understand what he was being told. Take note, SSE dean!
A financial times economist once critiqued Jeffrey Sachs' book, in which there was a personal remark that was quite instructive. He wrote, "Sachs is a phenomenon. He has long been more than an academic and there is a case for saying that this has made him less of an academic." The same could be said for PH.
your article implies that the growing presence of beards and burkhas on campus is something to be feared, as opposed to the growing presence of western wear. What kind of a hypocritical mentality is this?
For those complaining about the coverage re: this incident, the only reason it's still front page news is because so many are reading and commenting on it. So if you hate the topic, stay off this page. Personally, I think this debate is great!
Err, growing presence of Tableegh and its fearsome presence on campus? By fearsome, do you mean the actual visual image of students on campus who opt for bukhas or beards?For people who make such a big deal about not been judged on what to wear, why is a burka or a beard such a big deal for you guys? It's ill formed and judgemental comments like this that put off the majority of us who are moderates from supposedly open minded liberals. I can assure you there are more sleeveless kameez and skinny jeans girls on campus than Tablighis, but nobody hyperventilates and attaches labels (really going by the majority of what people wear on campus and their fascination with wayfarer shades and geek glasses there seems to be more of a Fearsome Hipster presence then Tablighi) Infact believe or not there is a lot of cross interaction between Fearsome Tablighis and Fearsome Hispters and liberals not only as classmates but even good friends. PH and his supporters have over dramatised the issue without really knowing their full facts, it almost seems like a desperate attempt to stick the blame on the right wings or as the author puts it Fearsome Tablighi presence. As the majority of the comments here (mostly by actual lums students including myself) show no one is really buying it. And I write this while wearing my skinny jeans!
If USaid can recruit so can the tableeghi jamaat. Btw, has Hoodbhoy actually written a paper that is recognized by the scientific community? Hoodbhoy's justified firing is not a national issue.
I dont understand what is going wrong and where. All i want to know and see is a fair hearing of PH's grievances. If they are found true, its an extremely serious matter. YOU CAN NOT REMOVE A SCHOLOR OF THIS STANDING EVEN IF YOU ARE MIT OR CAMBRIDGE! I wish he gets heard. Even if it comes after many such columns. And i am not sure if the description of spread of "soft" religiosity is true for LUMS or not but i am eye witness of this on Karachi University campus and in some of its best, world famous though purely scientific institutions. Wake up people. Its already too late.
Oh please - liberals don't have space? For one, liberals love online space, and they occupy most of that space anyway, and hence this and multiple other Hoodhboy articles on this very paper, and the same people quoted often by foreign papers from what they write on their silly twitter accounts!
I don't know why Hoodhboy is no longer at LUMS, but I do think he should have handled it better and not made it inevitably it seems, into another liberals vs conservative debate. And you shouldn't be doing that either!
Also, ask anyone from LUMS (like me) and they will tell you that very often the conservative people you mention - they aren't really running around running the place. LUMS is good because they also have their space. As do the rest.
The whole drama is cooked-up... the mighty professor badly wants to be retained at LUMS and i suspect he has asked his cronies to do him a favor.
@The other PH: This is a shameless misrepresentation of facts (read blatant lie). I have been PH's student in the last semester, and I can vouch for the fact that he never EVER missed a class. 'Even today he missed a class' should actually read 'he missed a class first time this semester'. That can happen to anyone (ever heard of diaorrhea?) I don't know which tier of the LUMS administration you belong to, but you are certainly no role model for us students. PH is! The guy is passionate about teaching.
@Raza Rumi: there is this tendency to assume that the departure of PH from LUMS is in some way symbolic of the decline of reason, silencing the voices of rationality and hindering progress. I do not see why is this entire PH-fiasco being given the color of a dooms-day scenario; as if LUMS is being pushed from enlightenment towards darkness and ignorance.. Why is so much metaphorical meaning been invested into something which is genuinely not an unusual happening? The departure of one individual is being treated as if it is the entire edifice of LUMS is going to collapse.. Please stop reading too much into this issue.
Raza, your piece is flawed at best, dishonest at worst. You claim that you are not troubled by phenomenon of people's voluntary religiosity (my words) but you use hype and hysteria to describe religion on campus as "fearsome." As a Luminite, I can tell you, and I know it is something you already know, the vast majority of the LUMS social sciences and humanities and law faculties are not religious, many (if not most) are entirely irreligious, and yes quite a few are illiberal and intolerant of religion and regularly hostile to it in classes and discriminate against religious students. If anything, there is a soft to hard secularization at LUMS SHSSL. The only professors whose contracts have not been renewed due to ideological reasons were religious ones and you are well aware of that and celebrated that and never complained about intolerance. Your piece is yet another attempt by insecure secularists to describe LUMS as a hotbed of religious fanatacism, when it is instead it is a fertile ground for sweltering atheism. For every one girl who may adopt hijab at LUMS, 100 will have boyfriends when they come. The numbers are overwhelmingly in your favor Raza, so please don't be so insecure and practice a tyranny of the (secular) majority and demonize the (religious) minority. It is a shame to see such a biased person at the helm of Jinnah institute. And yes, some of the religious faculty and students at LUMS were the most open minded and tolerant people, much truer liberals then yourself.
Has Hoodbhoy produced a single PHD under his supervision in his entire career ?
@ Raza Rumi: The Tableeghi Jamaat has a "fearsome presence" and is "recruiting people".. Wow. That is one of the most uninformed propositions to make concerning LUMS and hinting that they are engineering some sort of social ideological shift lacks substance. TIme and again the outsiders have been making inferences but hardly any of these are close to the reality... It is wrong to maintain that the Tablighi Jamaat has a fearsome presence; they are one of the most nicest people on campus and they do not recruit people; students embrace the msg first and then they join the group.. It is wrong to assume that there is a shift going on in LUMS.. Mind you USAID has an office inside LUMS (has invested more than $15m); our students go on exchange to Austria, Germany, USA, Sweden, Japan and Spain not to religious seminaries; our guest lecturers are notable intellectuals not religious clerics and our ideals cherished at LUMS are not necessarily religious.. The author ought to refrain from drawing in wrong causalities as if LUMS is under attack by the perpetrators of 9/11
Excellent article Raza. LUMS is not renewing the contracts of Pervez Hoodbhoy and Dr Nayyar. While Hoodbhoy was at least verbally promised three years contract when he joined in 2011. Why just not renew Hoodbhoy and Dr Nayyar while retain the rest of over 60 years faculty. While, Hoodbhoy has taught more courses compared to the other faculty and supervised more students than other teachers in his department and he is an award winning physicist. The only explanation left is what you so cogently have put in this article. Space for progressive and rational voices is decreasing. Together Hoodbhoy and Dr Nayyar have taken up the mantle of breaking false and dangerous myths carefully cultivated in media, curriculum, in public spaces and minds. They have spoken against and agitated against the myths of jingoism, nuclear posturing, religious intolerance and they are being denied to continue to even teach now. They are putting security and welfare of the people of this country before a false sense of "national interests" (that leads to even hijacking of elections as it happened in 1990s and has at least come into open space now) that only strengthens military establishment at the cost of welfare of people it is supposed to defend. They have taken up so many causes of progressive, tolerant, people-oriented Pakistan that they themselves are an institution in their own right. When LUMS does not treat Pervez Hoodbhoy professionally or properly either by making him teach without a contract for four months in early 2012 or relieving him of his job without a proper explanation, one wonders if there is any space left for people who believe and advocate progressive Pakistan. Glad you have highlighted it so well.
Yes, we wish to close our minds to rational debate and any well reasoned defiance of our precious status quo. We certainly do not wish for anyone to try and contradict our ideas about patriotism, identity and jingoism as set by a praetorian state. Well done Adil Najam and LUMS for safeguarding our delusional state of mind.
First class, Mr Rumi.
But sadly those who should read this and reflect will cast it aside after the first few sentences.
This whole melodrama is getting out of hand. I guess now columnists have figured out that the best way to get lots of comments and hype is to bash pontificate on this. Even Pervez Hoodbhoy who let this genie out probably now realizes that this has gone ut of hand and even out of the script he had written.
Everyone in the LUMS community has known of all of this for more 6 months or more now. Everyone has tried hard for the ego of PH in check to find a solution to something that really has nothing to do with ideology or religion and is only about contract issues. That the science Dean and the Physics chair also have big egos did not help. By this time everyone knows that PHs contract was as Visiting Faculty (which means you visit for a short time and then leave... you do not say you now need to inherit the house). He was given a one year contract that ended last year, and nearly not get renewed. It got renewed only because the VC (long time Pervez friend) intervened and tried to get everyone calmed down (this was the famous post-dated contract). This time the science school did not want that. Actually, the social sciecne and humanities school also did not want Pervez. Why is this important. because the social sciecne school and its Dean is as or more liberal than Pervez but that crowd was also not willing to accept PH. Because he has not been serious about teaching. Nothing to do with ideology.
He would not show up for classes (supposedly even today he skipped his class and just sent a TA), he would have his TAs give exams (not allowed), he would reschedule or cancel classes at last minute. He would insist odd class schedules so that his travels could be accommodated. Even though LUMS had given him an apartment on campus he would be in Lahore only two days a week (until this semester when because of the insistence he was given a regular four day class schedule). All pure work related things. And people got worried because he was taking and demanding a full time pay for what was not full time work. THAT and the absentee professorship is the contract issue. Nothing about academic freedom here. A big part of academic freedom is that chairs and deans be allowed to make faculty decisions rather than the decisions be imposed from the top (VC or other) by sifarish. That is what Pervez has been trying for 6 months, getting everyone to put in sifarish on his behalf.
Pervez, please go with dignity. This is really no way to disgrace an institution or yourself. The worst cut is trying to throw filth at the VC and at LUMS. I can think of at least 5 people at LUMS who are much more progressive than Pervez will ever be. And recently we have actually seen an exodus of darhis from LUMS, nearly half a dozen have left this year. So this nonsense about right-wing LUMS is just nonsense. If only all of Pakistan could become as 'right wing' as LUMS, what a wonderful place this country would become!
Legally, LUMS may may have made a sound, safe choice. Academically, I have never been so disappointed in LUMS. LUMS has previously given space to professors who teach Islamic Studies in a clear 'tabligh' form. Where girls have started wearing burkas and boys grow their beards and their parents are left extremely concerned. Its unfortunate that they wouldn't tolerate an academic scholar like Hoodbhoy. People make institutions. The kind of students a University produces is dependent on the quality of Professors. LUMS is making a clear unfortunate choice!
We would probably not have read too many conspiracy theories into this incident had this been the Pakistan of 25+ years ago. But today in 2012, people like me are truly alarmed by the complete take over of the state by a militaristic mindset cultivated since long as a joint venture between the army and the so-called religious parties. In this backdrop, it becomes quite believable that PH was kicked out for openly challenging the now widely-accepted notion that the army owns Pakistan. When I heard the news of his firing, the first thing that came to mind was his quote on a talk show right after the OBL incident: "vo fauj kay baghal say nikla hai" (referring to the fact that OBL was a few hundred yards from Kakul, and daringly implying that the army had hid him there) He had to pay the price some day.
If this country and its instituions dont need a person of the calibre of HB, perhaps he should think of migrating to a country where he will be welcomed with open arms and given space to air his views without the fear of harassment and prejudice.
For a society like Pakistan, those that chant the loudest are valued the most. Thinkers, scholars, visionaries and scientists that don't conform to a narrow world view of right wing and gung-ho patriotism are shunted out.
Sad but true..
Good article, Raza, though I disagree with the assertion that the Physics Chair's reasons are 'not expressly ideological'. Being a member of the physics community in Lahore, I do believe they may well be 'expressly ideological'.
A professor has been legally let go by a private university - not a state institution - not a madrassa - and this newspaper has already dedicated 4-5 articles on this - what non sense is this - whats the fuss about - please move on.
If this newspaper is paying this and the other writers for writing stuff like the article above, then please put your money to better use!
pak was made in the name of religion this was inevitable
With due respect I believe we should give some space to opinion of LUMS over Hoodbuoy sega. It seems this story has become somehow controversial once came in mainstream media as well as social networking sites. As far as I know LUMS is most prestigious and reputable institute of Pakistan so I personally feel LUMS might have pure "Professional Reasons" over Hoodbuoy.
Some bastions should be protected at any costs...else we find ourselves being a very shallow version of the person/nation we set out to be. Pervez Hoodbhoy is one such bastion and this past week we have been witness to a grave attempt to fell this bastion.
The author has done a great job through this article, sounding the clarion call to protect the few secular and rational voices remaining in our society. We are still reeling from the combustible effects of religion in politics and the effects it has had on our society. With religion mixing with our academia we might never recover. Religion is a personal journey. Today a few people are using their own interpretation of religion to attain their narrow ends within the political/social sphere. Beware of those who wear religion on their sleeves!!
I would like to make one point since teh word secular is repeatedly used incorrectly by both liberals and conservatives. States can be secular or theocratic. Individuals are tolerant or intolerant. The concept of secular individual makes no sense.
Nuclear weapon is the best deterrent; it outlaws war by making the cost of war exorbitant. He must or should be knowing about Instability-stability paradox
I will delve into his views on nukes since i already flayed him in a discussion
It is solely the prerogative of LUMS to lay-off anybody; Hoodbhay sir is an erudite par-excellence, but for LUMS he is just an employee. We cannot lambaste LUMS without hearing their point carefully. Why are you exacerbating this story? plz move on
By the way, Pervez Hoodbhoy missed his class again today. Sent in a TA instead of showing up himself. Typical behavior from him of just not showing up. Type of thing that created this mess.
Raza, good article. However, the reference to what your sources say about the impending exit of Hoodboy tends to legitimize the 'administrative' action of LUMS since the former is neither required there nor apparently interested in teaching the subjects he ought to. That is fallacy.
You decry the shrinking space for the liberals here and the intolerance for dissent but do not speak a word how Ejaz Haider, one of your colleagues, used this space to launch 'an intellectual assault' on him here. Ejaz presented Hoodboy as an outcast, and got appreciated for that. Was that not travesty in itself to be protested here?
I think that very few people will disagree that Doctor Sahab is a precious national asset. However, we also don't need to link his employment / unemployment at LUMS to conspiracy theories. If you have ever managed an employee, you would agree that sometimes parting with the best of people is not because of ideological reasons; there are a whole lot of other issues at play that affect such decisions.
Good riddance to bad rubbish. If the liberals are so depressed they should request India, to accomodate him. After all he keeps supporting their agenda, and blaming Islam and Pakistan.