Get another passport

Published: September 1, 2010
The writer is executive director news and current affairs at Aaj TV

The writer is executive director news and current affairs at Aaj TV

As if the ravages of the floods, the incompetence of the government, and the shenanigans surrounding cricket were not bad enough, there is an additional cause of national depression:  a group — ‘Kondemn the whole Kommunity Klan’, or the KKK — is actively pushing the narrative that Pakistan is a failed state because this nation, culturally, does not have the attributes of a successful civilisation.

The madness in Sialkot seems to have triggered their wholesale laceration of Pakistanis. This incident has been mounted on the billboards of ridicule as the final verdict on this all those who live here. According to one member of the KKK, our entire history is so designed as to only produce violence and bloodbath. In other words, we as a people, are historically, culturally, and politically wish death and destruction upon ourselves and on others.

Other members of the KKK are busy in drawing rooms spreading the argument that Pakistan’s experiment in attaining the level of a civilisation has failed. As exemplified by the horror of the beating-to-death of two brothers, those who live in this land have become permanently unhinged.

The cause of their anguish is understandable — the horrendous sight of humans being bludgeoned to pulp can wreck any soul and make people shout from the roof-tops in anger and hurt. But their conclusion is downright racist and alarmingly malignant — that this incident is further proof of a barbaric nature of the whole nation.

While our grasp of world history may be faulty but we have poured over enough paper to know that the Indus civilisation does not have a monopoly over lynch mobs, witch-hunters, and stake-burners. Nor does the subcontinent species have beastliness built into its bones. The entire European history, as indeed British and American history is soaked in blood, sometimes shed in the name of religion, sometimes in name of carrying the white man’s burden, but mostly in brutal self-interest.

All colonialists were master killers. The British took the cake in managing meticulous elimination in the lands they occupied for gold, slaves and the glory of the crown. Today’s civilisational success — on whose merit according to the KKK, we don’t measure up — is built on yesterday’s systematic murder of weak natives.

These attitudes, though regulated and controlled, are still prevalent — as much in white, western societies are they are observed in the coloured eastern countries. Beneath the angelic calm of material achievement of these societies — which is enviable and laudable — lurks a blood-thirsty beast that demands annihilation every now and then. The US-led, British-backed war in Iraq is a manifestation of this beast. Need we recall how the Iraqis were, and are being killed? What transpired in those awful prison cells that were guarded by the progeny of successful civilisations? Need we talk about extermination in Afghanistan and the daily dance of death that goes by the name of collateral damage? Should we cite — again — the nuclear attack on Japan?

The KKK’s argument that Pakistanis are collectively responsible for the brutality of a few individuals is Hitlerian in accusation. It is absurd to say that since Pakistani film-goers used to lionise Sultan Rahi that means that they love violence. This is no more evidence of national penchant for violence than the Hollywood’s glorification of James Bond’s hi-tech mayhem and murder. And if we must take fictional characters as reflections of deeply-ingrained social attitudes, then Hollywood’s cannibals, flesh-eaters, vampires, mobsters, gangsters, rapists, torturers, and yes, ‘Terminators’ and paedophiles, have to be seen as mirror images of the inner self of the West.

In the same vein the English doctor Harold Shipman known as ‘Dr Death’ who killed 215 of his patients over a 23-year period can be seen as the way of the English. Or the burning of the Christians and pogroms of the Muslims should be seen as the collective intent of the Indian society. The point is that no society is collectively condemnable. No one nation can be held responsible for the sins of a few individuals. Millions of great men and women are at work serving their fellow human beings in this country. They should not be slighted and insulted by stereotyping them as failed human beings. The KKK should have a heart.

Or get another passport.

Published in The Express Tribune, September 1st, 2010.

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Reader Comments (194)

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 1:43AM

    Yet another excellent rebuttal of the ‘KKK’ or ‘Liberal Lynch Mob’ (I like both labels). Introspection yes, self-loathing to the point of destroying even all that is good with Pakistan and Pakistani culture, hell no.

    The ‘KKK’ aka ‘Liberal Lynch Mob’ need to take a break – if societal discourse and national introspection is what they seek to accomplish, then broad derogatory generalizations and insulting (again, NF Paracha, K Shafi come to mind along with Fasi and George) the majority of Pakistanis is not the way to go about it.Recommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 1:52AM

    Wow, deflect the actions of Pakistani citizens onto other countries.

    Playing the national pride card is completely pointless. I am sure you will score alot of talking points with “or get another passport” Wow, really put all the naysayers in their place. As Pakistani citizens, if someone is saying that Pakistan is a failed state so what? Is it not their constitutional right to say what they like? it or leave it…….sounds alot like right-wingers during the Bush years. Recommend

  • Doctor
    Sep 1, 2010 - 2:02AM

    Despite “Sialkot”, despite “Oval” despite all, I feel proud to be a Pakistani. I have worked and seen closely the 2005 Earthquake and 2009 IDPs Crisis & I can surely claim that this nation is the most “generous” of all. Just look at the scale of voluntary humanitarian work being undertaken by the ordinary citizens for flood affectees. No other country on this planet can claim to have such a vibrant and dynamic people…………we are unique ! Yes we have problems, a lot of problems, but the soul of this great nation is still “gentle”, “generous” & “caring”. Unfortunately, the vast majority of those simple, ordinary good people dont even know what certain blogs and english news papers are branding them, as only few “privileged” have these luxuries. Recommend

  • Miriam
    Sep 1, 2010 - 2:04AM

    very well written article. Bravo!!

    Rather than playing the blame game we should try proving “everyone” wrong by playing our part in the natural catastrophe the nation has faced and by acknowledging those who already are!Recommend

  • Abu-H
    Sep 1, 2010 - 2:11AM

    What An Excellent Compilation Of The Feelings Of The Majority Of Us , An And Excellent Rebuttal To Fasi Zaka’s Novel Of Doom.
    ZindaBad Talat Hussain ZindaBad Pakistan.Recommend

  • Usama
    Sep 1, 2010 - 2:21AM

    Totally agree with Nadir!!Recommend

  • Hasan
    Sep 1, 2010 - 2:21AM

    @Talat: First of all ‘Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel’

    Second, as for

    In the same vein the English doctor Harold Shipman known as ‘Dr Death’ who killed 215 of his patients over a 23-year period can be seen as the way of the English.

    Not so. For every Dr Shipman there are millions of good Englishmen who among other things are treating your fellow expatriates pretty well; better than you would yourself and your Umma brethren in Saudi and other Muslim states. There are millions in England who despite being bombed several times by your co-religionist and countrymen still feel obliged to help by millions of £££ every time a misery falls on your nation. You benefit from English inventions including life saving drugs all the time.

    Now contrary to that, where is the good in our country against all that is bad? In fact we only get from bad to worst.
    Stop hiding under shallow arguments.Recommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 3:12AM

    May be Talab Sahib you should instead bother yourself reading national news and check how many of such incidences take place every day in our region instead of doing your Saasur Damaad altercations show. Unless and until you dont own your mistake, you can NEVER find a solution.
    Thanks to the people in media like you for misleading the masses and being proud of the wrongdoings that we are facing the worse phase of our motherland. Recommend

  • Zeeshan
    Sep 1, 2010 - 3:13AM

    The problem is that we have failed to learn lessons from out past because we simple declared that its not out fault. Remember the movement “Yeh hum nahi” yet I remember donating for jihad when I was a kid in a local mosque and even in my school (a federal govt. school in Islamabad). We simply label all news and information that makes us uncomfortable as “propaganda” of Israel lobby. Unless we admit there has been mistakes, we cannot learn from them. We as a nation have been bystanders of the whole NRO, Steel Mill and Punjab Bank cases in just last 5 years.

    Hassan Nisar, a columnist and a critique of our nation, with whom I don’t have total agreement on several issues, gave one nice example. When a goat gets stolen from a peasent in a small village, he does his best effort to find it or retrieve it. He goes to chouhdry, number-dar, thaneydar and even local mulla for prayer. But when we lose billions as a nation we dun even come out of comforts of our homes.

    The sialkot event has simply opened our eyes to our “bystander” mentality. Lets not close them again by finding mistakes in others and comforting our egos. Because once we see the reality then we can start fixing things, not sooner.Recommend

  • Raza
    Sep 1, 2010 - 3:17AM

    KKK and Liberal Lynch Mob articles – great stuff! Totally wiped the floor with cockroach and boy george!Recommend

  • Khurram Bukhari (Rotterdam)
    Sep 1, 2010 - 3:26AM

    Talat! I totally disagree with your personified and glorified narration to blame the west in equal manner for social violence and sadistic acts in this contemporary period and in the past as colonial masters.

    I liked your fair and honest journalist ethics but this time, its a quite an empty and unimpressive column. Unfortunately, your colleague Fasi Zaka has painted the and correct picture of “violent” and “intolerable” Pakistani society. Recommend

  • Hasan Khan
    Sep 1, 2010 - 3:27AM

    It seems that this liberal lynch mob is hell bent on proving that we have failed as a society. They cite role models, poverty, social strata and such other examples to prove their point. I acknowledge that Pakistan has had its fair share of problem(maybe even more than other societies could have withstood), but this does not mean that we become dire pessimists day after day after day after day. This is tantamount to giving up and being that silly man/woman in the corner who complains about everything and does absolutely nothing! What these lynch mobbers fail to understand is that each and every society in this world has bad apples and they sprout up here and there to remind us the darkness omnipresent in humanity. For example please remember Lalit Modi’s Gujrat. Where were the lynch mobbers at the time that this happened? Rest assured that those horrific scenes were equal in magnitude to the ones in Sialkot. At least in Sialkot the police officers have now been arrested. What happened to Lalit Modi and his goons? Nothing! Does this mean that I am deflecting my arguments onto another country? No! We as Pakistani people need rigorous soul searching on our identities. But that does not mean we become ashamed of who we are! If people still find themselves ashamed of being Pakistani…please move to another place right away…your country…and your people don’t need wimps like you!!Recommend

  • Khurram Bukhari (Rotterdam)
    Sep 1, 2010 - 3:41AM

    Talat! Instead of highlighting the case of British doctor of death Dr. Shipman, you must also put spot light on the worst child molester and abuser in the history of Pakistan named Javed Mughal (who claimed to have killed and molested more than 100 children). This savage and barbarian later committed so-called suicide in his cell in a Lahore police station during the late 1990s (well must have been killed by the torture of our gallantry Punjab Police).

    Yes, there is case the famous case of Joesph Fritzl (who locked his daughter in a cell for more than 20 years and abused her. He had 4 or 5 children from her) that rocked Austria in late 2007. At least the western media is bringing these issues to the media and public including the explosive issue of misconduct and child abuse committed by the catholic priest.

    Who in Pakistan has the courage to expose the menace of social evil and abuse committed against the children in the ” Madrasas” ?

    That is why I agree 1000% with Fasi Zaka Recommend

  • Yusaf Khan
    Sep 1, 2010 - 3:43AM

    I think we have beaten this horse to death. Can we move on please. Talat I was expecting a little more form you rather than getting involved in this spurious debate.Recommend

  • zubair
    Sep 1, 2010 - 3:53AM

    Pointless article. By brushing the issue under the carpet Mr. Talat is trying to treat his readers like the panelists on his talkshow who are not allowed to complete their sentence. And this is considered his competence. Recommend

  • Khurram Bukhari (Rotterdam)
    Sep 1, 2010 - 4:12AM

    *In the response to Talat’s talent to coin the acronym KKK to blame liberals like us and show an exile route, I would like to present my response to a large number of Pakistan people who want to put things under the carpet and consider us part of KKK*

    Here is the acronym from my side that Talat must focus instead in order to denounce this large clan of Pakistani people who are ” Denial of Disgusting Deeds” or DDD.** Recommend

  • faraz
    Sep 1, 2010 - 5:15AM

    Well the Europeans dont kill their own citizens; while here we kill each other.

    I wish we protest against killings of own citizens with the same zeal as we did when Israel attacked the Flotilla. Recommend

  • Asif Khan
    Sep 1, 2010 - 5:17AM

    Somehow I wish that Talat was a better league of writer to take on someone like Fasi Zaka, instead he takes the easy route and hurts George Fulton. Unfortunately this entire article has been pre-empted by Cockroaches II, makes Talat look foolish now. As an anchor he should realise playing the popularity game is counter productive to his credibility, rather than taking a strong position that may be un-popular. Talat has his chance to prove he was a man with Hilary Clinton, but he soft balled it because he was in awe that he was talking to someone like her, why show bravery with a poor englishman like george?Recommend

  • Omar Yousaf
    Sep 1, 2010 - 5:44AM

    Talat: I totally agree but i must add that it is your responsibility as a lead media person to bring about a balance to the news coverage. The hatred, rage or frustration you see in response to George fulton or Fasi zaka articles is because people are sick of hearing bad news all the time. Im sure there is better news to put out there which can inspire people, which can uplift people’s morale. Bad news should not rule news channels. Do a show on real heros and real achievements. Celebrate them. Do shows on artists, scientists, poets, sufis, musicians, culture, history. Do more comedy/funny shows… its what we need to give the mind a little rest. Dont run in the rat race of “we delivered this news first” rather deliver whats pragmatic & what fans the national sentiment. You have the power to do it as as they say “with great power comes great responsibility”. Though that also reminds of George Orwell who said “power corrupts and absolute power corrputs absolutely”. I hope we dont go down that beaten path.
    Hopefully yours,
    Omar YousafRecommend

  • Sarwan
    Sep 1, 2010 - 6:07AM

    Nicely written. Don’t agree with it completely though. The incidents that talat has mentioned, except a few, happened way back when people were less aware of things. And apart from a few incidents of brutality most of them were carried out on other people. Now I don’t mean that its ok to mutilate other people and respect ours. But what has been going on in our country since deades is that we’ve always killed our own people. Even in dark ages people used to atleast spare their own people. And incidents like that of Dr. Death have been there in european and other ‘developed countries'(i refrain from using civilised as people here don’t seem to agree they are more civilised than us) but they’ve been few and far in between. As for in our society its not even a news anymore. I have seen people(and a lot of them) saying ‘what if those guys were beaten to death, they must’ve done something to deserve it’.
    What the hell? This is how people think. Now am not with the so called KKK or whatever their fancy name there is but yes I am of the opinion that this country has little to be proud of. As for cricket, it seems trivial to compare it with humanitarian instincts. Recommend

  • Tippu
    Sep 1, 2010 - 6:19AM

    Yes there is a voilent strain in all of us and no country is a saint in the commity of nations. All have a bloody past. But the issue isnt that at all. It is something much more basic and has to do with individual behaviour.

    With evey passing year, pakistanis residing overseas notice a progressively increasing degradation in the way people back home treat each other. I am not alone in saying that to non resident pakistanis, it DOES indeed seem that the people of pakistan are going mad. It is very painfull for us to see the folks living in pakistan treat their fellow pakistanis with such disdain and contempt. You may blame the “non resident pakistanis” for the wide brush with which they paint pakistanis but you must acknowledge that the folks residing in pakistan paint each other and everyone else with a much more painfull brush. Dishonesty, lack of respect, no ethics and contempt for the poor man are stand out everytime we visit pakistan. And these traits are more noticable in pakistan then in any other country.
    Why do pakistanis treat each other this way? You can not blame the west for that. Enough of the blame the west game already. A bit of introspection would go a long way in moving folks living in pakistan away from the brink. Pakistanis living outside pakistan do love pakistan a lot. more then the people liviign in pakistan perhaps. But non resident pakistanis are dissappointed at what the folks in pakistan have become. And sooner pakistanis get a grip, the better it will be for everyone and for the country. Blaming the west just isnt going to do it.Recommend

  • binwakeel
    Sep 1, 2010 - 6:33AM

    Bravo, Talat. It is time someone took up the cudgels on behalf of the sane majority. The ‘doom soothsayers’, like the dinosaurs of yore, are destined to collapse under their own weight. The sooner, the better. Recommend

  • Farrukh Siddiqui
    Sep 1, 2010 - 6:34AM

    I agree that whole societies and nations cannot be condemned. Self criticism cannot justify the wholesale characterisations made in some of the columns published here. It is hard to argue that Iraq and Afghanistan provide enough basis to conclude that all Americans are killers, which they are not.Recommend

  • Magsi
    Sep 1, 2010 - 6:42AM

    Brilliant piece. Extremely well written. This is the difference between the doers compared to the keyboard warriors aka Fasi Zaka, etc.Recommend

  • Al
    Sep 1, 2010 - 6:48AM

    Get over it people!! Rebuttal after rebuttal and one thing that has come out of all this that we are so busy fighting each other (and no i dont care if the west does this because OUR PROBLEMS ARE OUR PROBLEMS) we forget how to SOLVE the problem at hand. If an indian (bangladeshi or sirilankan for that matter) would read this he would be laughing his head off as to how we completly lost the problem and ended trying to prove the other wrong.
    The point these writers are trying to make is that there is good in our society and bad in our society, the problem is it is the bad in our society that is being exposed continously (no this is not a jewish conspiracy) this does not mean that every person in our country is bad and nor is there any need of proving this by comparing us to rwanada or the US. Recommend

  • Jumma Gul khan
    Sep 1, 2010 - 6:50AM

    Though the Acronym KKK is hilarious. So you couldn’t come up with an acronym which actually had all the real alphbets and didn’t need the debasement of the word condemn (Kondemn)?

    None of them implied an accross the board generalization, not literally at last. But yes this is a degenerate nations whose woes seem to be growing. India may have a few isolated incidents but surely by no means are they as aweful as we are today. The only comparisons with Pakistan are maybe Somalia and Afghanistan. We are a faild stated who has allowed a foreign army to bomb and maim our own people. What is civil society doing about it? Where are the country wide protests? Where is the mass reaction? Talat you can deny the truth, but then you only fooling yourself. Recommend

  • Jumma Gul khan
    Sep 1, 2010 - 6:55AM

    This issue is becoming stale. Lets move on.Recommend

  • khurram
    Sep 1, 2010 - 7:07AM

    Talat Saab – zabardast analysis! these SELF DEFEATISTS do need another passport!!!Recommend

  • AHK
    Sep 1, 2010 - 7:19AM

    I can’t really understand one thing. I do believe in expressing your opinion but the thing that I can’t understand is that why most of us as people are unable to listen to what someone is trying to say or judge the level with which something is said. Although speaking the truth is one thing but speaking it in a manner that degrades (or even elevates) it even more, is something that shouldn’t be allowed to happen. Fasi Zaka did try to shed some light on the facts but in a manner that shouldn’t have been taken. Sure we as a nation are at the edge of a cliff or sometimes I feel like we are off the cliff but even then as a nation collectively the word used by Fasi shouldn’t be used even if they are for an indirect/philosophical/metaphorically reference. The point is that although there are people who had the heart or should I say lack of heart to perform that horrendous act in Sialkot doesn’t mean that I, you or a lot of people out there are like that and a person who really hasn’t spent that much time in this country shouldn’t pass even a metaphorical word or try to undermine us by giving refernce to some Punjabi movies and when someone sheds the same light on other “societies” some of us try to say that they are (as one person said) shallow arguments. Well I know that we shouldn’t be pointing other societies but the fact of the matter is that they are still like this and even then they don’t banish the whole nation. Because doing that means shedding any tread of hope there is. Well in that case only one question remains “What then?”

    In the end I would like to point out that we as a nation should at least try to look at both the sides of a picture and then really try to think with an unbaised thought.Recommend

  • Umar Farooq
    Sep 1, 2010 - 7:25AM

    This writer and that of ‘Liberal Lynch Mob’ just dont get it. You can keep praising Pakistan and Pakistanis till your blue in the face but thats not going to change the ground realities. There is something deeply and systematically wrong in our society that needs to be corrected as soon as possible. Comparing yourself to others is not going to get the job done. We collectively need to figure out what makes us so prone to mob behavior, corruption (whether in govt or crickett) and a myriad of ills that although present in other societies are 10 fold in ours. Keep screaming Pakistan Zindabad if thats all what your patriotism revolves around, but please let others who tell show the mirror to the masses for self-reflection continue on. Your suggestion to get another passport is truly insulting. Recommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 7:32AM

    The best way to deal with our problems is to recognize them. Instead of making comparisons in terms of our ‘bads’ with others’ ‘bads’ and telling everyone on the face of the earth that if our clothes are dirty, so are yours!, rational course would be to acknowledge our failures and tell the world, ‘yes we have these problems, yes are passing through a difficult time, like many of the developed country have passed once, but we will fight off our ills and we will resurrect our lost soul. We are not doomed forever, we are capable of reversing the nasty course of events in our country and we will come stronger out of this situation’. By accepting our flaws and our ills and by genuinely putting ourselves to the task of rebuilding our country, we will surely come out more dignified and the world will have no problem in supporting us in our hour of need. There is no harm in thinking ourselves as a part and parcel of the rest of the humanity on the face of the earth. We need to develop an internationalist, humanitarian world view among our people instead of ‘everyone else against us and out to destroy us’ mentality.Recommend

  • AHK
    Sep 1, 2010 - 7:45AM

    I can’t really understand one thing. I do believe in expressing your opinion but the thing that I can’t understand is that why most of us as people are unable to listen to what someone are trying to say or judge the level with which something is said. Although speaking the truth is one thing but speaking it in a manner that degrades (or even elevates) it even more, is something that shouldn’t be allowed to happen. Fasi Zaka did try to shed some light on the facts but in a manner that shouldn’t have been taken. Sure we as a nation are at the edge of a cliff or sometimes I feel like we are off the cliff but even then as a nation collectively the word used by Fasi shouldn’t be used even if they are for an indirect/philosophical/metaphorically reference. The point is that although there are people who had the heart or should I say lack of heart to perform that horrendous act in Sialkot doesn’t mean that I, you or a lot of people out there are like that and a person who really hasn’t spent that much time in this country shouldn’t pass even a metaphorical word or try to undermine us by giving reference to some Punjabi movies and when someone sheds the same light on other “societies” some of us try to say that they are (as one person said) shallow arguments. Well I know that we shouldn’t be pointing other societies but the fact of the matter is that they are still like this and even then they don’t banish the whole nation. Because doing that means shedding any tread of hope there is. Well in that case only one question remains “What then?”

    In the end I would like to point out that we as a nation should at least try to look at both the sides of a picture and then really try to think with an unbaised thought.Recommend

  • Hasan
    Sep 1, 2010 - 7:56AM

    Another thing about Dr Shipman is that English society prosecuted and punished him once he was known, thus exonerating itself of Dr Shipman’s deeds. We on the other hand watch worst of evils committed before us and far form prohibiting them the reaction of many of us, like Talat here, is to criticise the very people who are trying to raise nation’s consciences against such evils. The society as a whole is therefore responsible for such misdeeds.Recommend

  • Umayr Masud
    Sep 1, 2010 - 8:23AM

    Lets just blame it on the Jews.. oh and the Illuminati… voila all of Pakistan’s problems solved and now we can live in our Paradise. Recommend

  • Shan
    Sep 1, 2010 - 8:35AM

    I, for one, was thrilled to get a new passport this year. I believe in American values. Even during one of the worst summers for being a Muslim in this country–with all the overt racism and vitriol against us– you are still heartened by the fact that so many ordinary Americans will fight for what is right, the rule of law, and personal freedom. What didn’t get covered in our media was the massive pro-mosque gathering last week, or even Mayor Bloombergs impassioned defence of the project.

    My point is that basic human respect, tolerance, and respect for institutions and processes is NOT “WESTERN” or “MODERN” behavior. It’s just basic decency. I criticize Pakistan and Pakistanis not because I hold them against Western standards, its because I hold them against basic human standards.Recommend

  • Maqsood
    Sep 1, 2010 - 8:37AM

    Spot on Talat! Great Job.Recommend

  • Ali
    Sep 1, 2010 - 9:36AM

    Simply great article! Talat you are balanced and always insightful. Bravo and well done! Pakistan still has hope with true patriots like you. A much needed reflection of the sentiment of the majority of Pakistanis. A wonderful slap on the face of KKK. They really need a different passport!Recommend

  • Rafiq Ahmed
    Sep 1, 2010 - 9:51AM

    Talat, You start sounding like “Sab Thak Ha” kind of a guy! We have too many problems & unfortunately we do not realize what those problems are. Please get real & smell the coffee1 Recommend

  • Asmat Jamal
    Sep 1, 2010 - 10:00AM

    Pakistan has become a land of War Lords, Religious Bigots, Stinkingly corrupt beauracrats and self imposing judges. Is Sialkot incident the only one. Have we forgotten the clips of 12 May Karachi incident in which a young man was being shown repeatedly by the media with a slit throat and awaiting death ? People were ready to photograph him but no one rescued him. Have we forgotten killing of 90 innocent persons in Karachi following the death of an MPA RAZA? Have we forgotten the suicide attack on the Mosques in Jamrud and Parade lane? Are the memories of killing of minorities in Lahore still not freah in our minds. The killings of innocent people in busy bazars in peshawer still haunts us.
    Only few days back it was reported in almost all the channels in Pakistan that those running away from floods were looted by dacoits in Sindh and people were deboarded from bus in Bolan and killed because they were from another ethnicity.
    Today we are living on the edge og humanity. Lets face the fact. Britishers beside their colonial rule left some good things over here and the best amongst that was Law and order. In four to five decades the British culture got weakened and was over taken by Sultan Rahi culture. This mayhem is the creation of our domestic culture. Recommend

  • Taha
    Sep 1, 2010 - 10:02AM

    Excellent rebuttal for all those who were and are against the very idea of Pakistan.Recommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 10:16AM

    The situation is worst and no chance of improving the circumstances and poor fellow public has no option to quit Pakistan as to get another Passport is an upheaval task. The Government failure mean to out the Zardari regime and announce midterm election so that public may reform his mistake to choose them and this is the only way to change the destiny of poor fellow public who deprived everything in the flood and other calamities.Recommend

  • sana
    Sep 1, 2010 - 10:17AM

    Its funny how easy fingers are pointed at us while their own slates are ignoredRecommend

  • Aristo
    Sep 1, 2010 - 11:24AM

    Another instance of a DESIGNER PATRIOT. If the others have been savages in the past, is it our national right to out perform them in beastliness to go down in history as the most inhuman species of the World.
    Who are we kidding, its time to get real or get annihilated.Recommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 11:28AM

    I appreciate the balance, Talat sahab has shown in his writing and hope that all those who belongs to both extremes, should ponder over their stance because there’s a lot on their end which needs to be calibrated.Recommend

  • Ali
    Sep 1, 2010 - 11:36AM

    Skeptics..cynics can only talk… you won’t find any KKK member doing anything positive in the crises faced by Pakistan. Helping IDPs, homeless Pakistanis is not their cup of tea; sitting in the smokers’ corner they will bring a dur ki kori, smoke out their thoughts and then go home.

    Hats off to Talat!!Recommend

  • Farhan
    Sep 1, 2010 - 11:41AM

    Get another passport ! The best answer to Pakistan Bashers !Recommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 11:42AM


    the heading get another passport is full of irony

    the leeches in the establishment are busy sucking the last drops of blood and they already have passports or passages to safe heaven should things become unbearable in this country


    on another note

    if the unaltered pakistan resolution of march 23, 1946 is to be considered then we would have had a confederation of states in which each governing unit would have full autonomy….almost like the european union

    which means we would have different passports

    perhaps that may be the last resort to save pakistan as we knowRecommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 11:50AM

    @ Tallat: Lets start proposing and implementing the solutions for the betterment of Pakistan. Everyone should contribute to enhance the image & quality of life in/outside Pakistan.Lets just concentrate on goodness & radiate it more or at least in our maximum radius. Be positive, think positive & do positive :) Recommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 11:53AM

    I have my comment in the name of author coz I dont wish to indulge in the useless debates that lead to negativity. I hope that Tallat Hussain can start another chain on positivity & image building of Pakistan. Recommend

  • Yousaf
    Sep 1, 2010 - 12:21PM

    A tight slap…..!! They just need to feel it. Recommend

  • Hamza Baloch
    Sep 1, 2010 - 12:23PM

    you won’t find any KKK member doing anything positive in the crises faced by Pakistan

    agree with ali.Recommend

  • Eeman
    Sep 1, 2010 - 12:30PM

    Talat pinned it really well. I don’t think there is anything left to pursue this left-wing-right-wing war anymore. Recommend

  • Faisal Abbas
    Sep 1, 2010 - 12:34PM

    one word for this work of reality portrait: Brilliance!
    KKK or George, Fasi Zaka, NFP and K Shafi have also spoken and now must listen to the other side, with patience (the single most neglected trait by either side, especially the leftists).
    Thumbs Up! Talat!!Recommend

  • Babar
    Sep 1, 2010 - 12:42PM

    Considering, Mr. Talat always promotes typical self-righteous mantra of Jew/CIA/RAW conspiracy for everything that goes wrong in Pakistan, this article should not appear as surprise to anyone. Since it was not possible to pass the buck over to typical trio, the spokespersons for this self-righteous mob have chosen to bite the messenger instead.Recommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 12:52PM

    The world contains many more countries than only West/Europe for us to benchmark our actions against. Go to Cambodia, Vietnam, Malaysia and then see how they treat each other. Let alone the west, we cannot even match the Asian nations in terms of a mature society.Recommend

  • Angelos
    Sep 1, 2010 - 1:13PM

    Great article…….this KKK thinking is bad for this country. People! do some good for this country instead of mourning your failures.Recommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 1:15PM

    The first step to salvation is identifying your problems and shortcomings, and for the first time in 63 years, we’re doing just that…and would really prefer if a member of one of the 3 generations of Pakistanis that have virtually failed to do anything for us didn’t ask us to leave our country just because we have an opinion and actually want to be the citizens of a civilized nation that isn’t in the news every other day for all the reasons we are in the news every other day these days…and I’m sorry, but most of us also aren’t thriving in our country’s misery by making 15 mil a year yet. When we do, maybe then we too will start picking on people who condemn people who act like animals because it’s those animals on whom our paychecks will then depend.
    Also, I don’t know if your kids are teenagers yet but if they are, the next time you find them seething at you with anger for embarrassing them in public, please don’t forget to ask them to go live somewhere else.Recommend

  • Atiq Rehman
    Sep 1, 2010 - 1:22PM

    I have all the respect for Talat but I disagree with this particular opinion. If I say, as do the majority of Pakistanis, that the president of Pakistan is a corrupt fool, it does not mean that I am disrepecting the presidency, only the president. If I say that Pakistan has started 3 wars, that Pakistani’s have made for themselves a global image of a corrupt and conniving people, that Pakistan’s political parties are elitist and self serving, that Pakistan’s cricketers are a disgrace etc, it does not mean that I do not love Pakistan. It merely means that I wish to identify the wrongs and correct them. Recommend

  • Rakesh
    Sep 1, 2010 - 1:30PM

    Go do something people. Stop writing about the moral state of a 140 million people, one way or the other! Any argument that you make for a subject that huge is bound to be privy to some form of counter-arguments. So stop this debate and do something useful.Recommend

  • Haris Masood Zuberi
    Sep 1, 2010 - 1:36PM

    Another one in the ‘pigeon facing the cat’ series, coming from a privileged Pakistani distant from first-hand miserable realities of life with this green passport without connections, influence, power or annual household income anywhere above 200,000/annum.

    Such exclusive nationalism-high drawn from delusions of self-worth, closed eyes and perpetual denials coupled with self-aggrandizing sensationalist pep-talks cannot help a crumbling nation…especially when circumstances are starkly ironic.

    And why should the disgruntled holders of the Deep Green Pakistani passport be advised to switch colour? Why can’t the negative elements who cause the disgruntlement be banished instead?

    If one has a problem with the walls and floors of their home, and can’t do anything about it because fellow inhabitants benefiting from ‘jis ki lathi us ki bhains’ don’t let things change, does one lose the right to rant and express despair over the obvious wrongs, give up and abandon…?

    If even the voices of doom, despair and naysayers are hushed up, would anyone even know there are people amongst us who shun the prevailing madness recent example displayed from Lords to Sialkot…?

    After all at least a fraction of this nation’s problems would be solved if the well-bred, educated, privileged, enlightened, talented, moderate and progressive inhabitants who choose to flee causing the proverbial brain-drain, instead pledge their potentials to solving miseries of this country rather than those which hand-out blue or burgundy passports.

    At least those who enjoy rights & privileges at the scale of first world passports; with ability to make frequent foreign trips, personal earnings around a million/month, can dare to clash with the titans, and exercise influence whether by inheritance or the Almighty’s infinite Grace, should not be the ones to advise the less privileged over how they can express or nor express their dissatisfaction, rather despair at their own miseries…more often than not caused by someone else’s acts of immorality, at times committed decades ago…Recommend

  • Rashid Saleem
    Sep 1, 2010 - 1:40PM

    Pakistan has indeed seen tough times and some signs still loom around but things are changing much positively now. Many thanks to the liberal and rational forces that have come forward to rescue the crumbling fabrics of this society.Recommend

  • Whatever!
    Sep 1, 2010 - 1:47PM

    There you go with another of your “verdicts”. So now the mob justice will also decide who should be a pakistani citizen and who shouldn’t be? Just because a few people have the guts to analyze themselves and the society they live in they should be told to get another passport. And who are you going to give nationalities to? The uzbeks, the arabs and the afghans who are busy plotting to take control of your country for their own agendas? Oh and actually those punjabi talibans are more worthy of this country’s nationality who blow up innocent citizens of this state. I never heard a call from you of terminating their nationalities; all those ever held and apprehended for abetting and executing such heinous crimes against fellow pakistanis.
    Glorifying the nation on sand castles of virtue and achievements. Please go learn a little math. There has to be more bad happening in this country that I for one have only seen its downfall since i acquired awareness. And no, importing technological advancements happening in the rest of the world dont count as progress. Why compare with the west? Why not compare yourself to those who have shown its possible to make progress and see the west in the eye in every aspect and not just the “nuclear bomb” aspect in as much or lesser time than this nation has had?Recommend

  • aley
    Sep 1, 2010 - 1:47PM

    A poor analogy and even a poorer response Talat…you could have done better then being needlessly polemical. Come on people face it if you want to change it…Recommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 2:00PM

    While I agree that the whole nation cannot be collectively blame for the acts of a few and that Maula Jatt should NOT be taken as a representation of our culture , I believe we MUST admit the wrongs of our society while not dragging others into it. We all know how the ‘white’ educated class has been involved in mass murder since ages. We know hitler,hiroshima,iraq war,collateral damage etc. But that should not stop us from looking into ourselves as a society. Recommend

  • HST
    Sep 1, 2010 - 2:15PM

    Ya man you tell em.. Recommend

  • bilal
    Sep 1, 2010 - 2:43PM

    If the author can kindly provide me another passport I would be much obliged.

    I would bet a substantial sum that many readers would also be interested in acquiring another passport as it seems Pakistan is only fit for those who dare not criticize its flaws.

    I hope your next article is a step by step guide to attaining another nationality where our constructive criticism is appreaciated rather then hushed in the carpet.Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Sep 1, 2010 - 2:44PM

    Talat, I appreciate your patriotic attitude… but the truth is that we really suck….Our socciety, values, morals, behavior and everything else… badly shaped these days….”No one nation can be held responsible for the sins of a few individuals.” This sounds very true and logical………Else, Except a few people, I was aunable to find any good people during this whole decade………Most of them are violent, cheats, frauds and fake………….Totally destroying the society………Plus i agree with Asmat Jamal……We are becoming more and more intolerant and insensitive…………..I am a great fan of your writings, but this piece tries to hide the “brutal” side of us…..Fasi and Fulton are very very right….and secondly, If someone is bad, and you try to hide it,,how would he improve? Recommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 2:50PM

    Talat, if some one expresses his or her views, should he or she be leaving the country? Our society really stands at its worst these days….lot of show offs, fakes and frauds……I have been a fan of your writings, but this piece hides the “brutal” side of us…….We are violent and insensitive………I agree with Asmat words….Fasi and Fulton have shown very striaght “bad” side of the mirror….Why does it feel bad when some one calls us ugly? isnt that the truth?Recommend

  • zeya bacha
    Sep 1, 2010 - 3:03PM

    We all must be positive. Mr. Talat is very much right regarding realities of western civilization and the brutalities it has made part of history. I may add that history shows that big corruption scams have occurred in the West. Further, West is the safe heaven for corrupt and the money involved in corruption.

    Whatever is going on are attacks on our sovereignty and culture. We must be united for solution of the problems and be optimistic. Further, given with the very weak system, we are managing the problems of terrorism, earthquakes, floods, and the most important dictatorships.

    What will happened if we send all these problems to the west for only a week. Recommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 3:07PM

    Dear Tallat
    I could not agree more. You have very rightly pinpointed that violence and killing have happened and are till happening through out the world. No nation, country or culture is immune to that. It is a pity that some pseudo-intellectuals in Pakistan avail every chance to malign Pakistan and Pakistanis to get some cheap publicity in the country and abroad.
    As a journalist involved in media monitoring, I read and see that organized daily violence in Mexico, Brazil, Columbia, Congo and many other states is so epidemic that Pakistan looks like a kindergarten. If you just look at the figures of how many innocent persons have been killed by state terrorism, perpetrated by USA and its allies, you would boil with rage. The only problem is that these so-called liberals in Pakistan would never talk about it. It would not fit well with their own agenda and it is cost free to spit in the bowel, they eat from.
    Having said that it is important that Pakistanis do some soul searching like all nations do and those who have solutions come up with workable ideas and implement these on local level. They should start something small and build it up, instead of expecting the state to solve all the problems.
    Keep up the good work.
    Kind regards
    Bashy Quraishy
    Chief Editor – MediaWatch – Denmark
    Board Member – Institute for Human Rights -Denmark
    Board Member – World Cultural Center – Copenhagen
    Mobile; 0045 40 15 47 71
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  • Ali Farooqui
    Sep 1, 2010 - 3:26PM

    Get another passport? the problem is their beloved west does not care how much they disrespect their homeland and brushes them with the same broom as other stereotype Pakistanis .. may be that explains their jumping up and down to prove Pakistan is done for. Its true Pakistan is in trouble and will remain in trouble unless the traitors are taught otherwiseRecommend

  • Amima
    Sep 1, 2010 - 3:33PM

    My name is Talat Hussain. I live in Pakistan. My country is best in the world. The meaning of Pakistan is Land of PURE. Every Pakistani is Pure, Honest, Hardworking, Loving, Peaceful. We love each other like brothers. Feeling of brotherhood is the only feeling Pakistanis have for each other. Pakistan is the best because its green valleys shy mountains of Switzerland. Habib Bank Plaza and now MCB tower is the tallest building in Pakistan. Hockey is our national game, our players have made us proud in the world!

    Surprised? But that’s the textbook version of reality and history you are parroting Mr. Hussain! Wake up and smell the blood being shed around. Historically Caucasians have bloody empires, plundering, theft and loot of natives under the belt, but that does not make you any better – Islamic or even Indo-Pak history is equally bloody and has lots of spots on it which no one can be proud of. Today Yom-e-Ali observed, need I remind you what THAT REFLECTS on???!!!
    Instead of defending your false pride and fallacies, come out and take action! The KKK which you and many readers here are accusing of no action, are actually taking a lot of action.
    I invite you to SHUN YOUR PROFILED and CAMEO existence for a day, and come join people who are taking real action WITHOUT camera presence. Join the protests against killings and violences in Sialkot and all the other discriminations!
    By flogging the dead horse of false patriotism, you are only KEEPING people away from reality, and hence awakening for real action. I think it was FOR YOU and people like you, Iqbal and Hali wrote their verses….khawab e ghaflat se jaag jaien. Waqt aagaya hai!
    And by the way, Recording Studios are just as worse as the drawing rooms are.. perhaps WORST because you create an illusion of world and make others belief THAT IS FAR FROM REALITY. At least drawingroom discourse is limited.

  • Mustafa
    Sep 1, 2010 - 3:47PM

    Excellent read.Recommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 4:08PM

    Mr. Talat,

    You have not stated anything new. History of other nations is recorded and well known to most.

    It is an exercise in futility, why would you want to condone the wrongs of your society by quoting and comparing history of others.

    Pakistan’s present is flawed and future is threatened by what transpired in Sialkot.

    After reading what Mr.Fasi Zaka had written, I did not read that with any glee as a non Pakistani, rather with respect and admiration that it deserved. All those voices which have come out in support or have acknowledged the ground realities that Mr. Fasi has stated are proud patriotic Pakistani people.

    Self criticism and introspection leads to changes in the society, the changes when they come from within are most effective since they are willing changes and not enforced by an outsider.

    To all those who have accepted and agreed with Mr.Fasi, those courageous men and women of whom Pakistan should be proud of. The way to correcting the wrongs lie in accepting the wrongs, internalizing them, voicing them and then perform acts which negate the negative. People do not have to necessarily morph into crusaders or proceed with evangelical fervor, no big ticket acts required, all that it needs is small acts, starting with ones own house where you treat the people who are lesser educated then yourself with respect and impressing upon them to follow the path shown.

    Imagine if all those who have accepted and spoken in agreement with Mr.Fasi were to spread their message to just 4 houses around them that is the one to the left of them, to the right in front and behind where they live this would mean at most 1 person speaking to 5 households and out of those even if 2 households were to accept and change their way of thinking and living the impact would be tremendous.

    What would this mean, there would only be positive publicity and reportage for Pakistan and its people. The change would be perceptible and positive.

    I do not know how you or the people of Pakistan will react to this, for it is not my intention or purpose to preach or pass a judgment on the people or the Nation.

    May God bless you all.

    My twitter handles @anilkohli54 Recommend

  • freeha
    Sep 1, 2010 - 4:40PM

    Thats right that we r facing the worst time of history but it does not mean that some part of our society start communicating that we are fail as a nation. History has seen many nations with much poor face but those nations did not left struggling.We are Muslims we made Pakistan on the name of ALLAH still we don’t believe on Him.SELF REALIZATION does not mean that the whole nation should commit suicide bcz we are fail to b a civilization rather SELF REALIZATION means every one must realize his or her responsibilities.T he only problem of our nation is we love to debate and criticize others but we don’t see our self where we stand and what we are participating in? Its not govt or pak army only who is responsible to look after the dignity of this country rather it a collective responsibility of every Pakistani and media personals should also stop spreading hopelessness among common Pakistanis on the name of self realization as if few pplz are involved in wrong activities then there are many pplz who are performing their role as dynamic personalities.Why don’t media highlight them?Recommend

  • Nisar
    Sep 1, 2010 - 5:12PM

    Thank God, some one has answered to these KKK’s on this forum………. well written!!!Recommend

  • SP
    Sep 1, 2010 - 5:19PM

    For all of you saying we should not criticize and instead be doing some good out there. Self analysis and self ciricism is a form of doing this so called good and would make greater difference. Pakistani are brain washed to be patriotic from a very young age from the very little schooling they recieve and from interacting with every other Pakistani, this blind patrotism has prevented us for many years from the self analysis that is needed. Just when the end is near and I do believe the end of pakistan is near (unless something drastically changes) our only chance to improve and to prevent this inevitable end and these patriots are trying to suffocate the few sensible voices so that they can revert to their good old ways. Recommend

  • Farhat Anis
    Sep 1, 2010 - 5:40PM

    Dear Maliha Lodhi,

    “Elementary, my dear Watson”

    I did expect better, stronger and academic arguments from you.Recommend

  • Maryam Kazmi
    Sep 1, 2010 - 6:35PM

    I cant believe that there is so much hype about some pseudo wannabe journalists trying to propogate an extremely negative, baseless and antagonistic image of Pakistan and people are actually commending, applauding and even hailing it as if it is the biggest marvel of brilliance and relevation.I seriously fail to comprehend that since when did it become ok to get thrashed and called by nasty names by some dubious characters to have a moment of epiphany.HAVE WE REALLY COME DOWN TO THAT NOW?? Such appetite for sensationalism and distasteful exploitative journalism is quite alarming and frightening!!!
    Mr Talat THANK YOU for such an adequate and excellent response to all those who for their own publicity stunt distorted actual facts and are spreading a malicious and a dangerous propoganda…
    I strongly recommend that everyone MUST READ THIS ARTICLE once atleast!!!Recommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 6:40PM

    Agreed with amina…………and every word by her……..Those who have suffered from all this and victims of all this culture know better……….every day is a kind of suffering for us…………Every day, people coming and telling about their problems,,,,,frauds,Every day…….there is a new story of barbasrim…….some reported in media and some unreported…………fake NGOs…brutal killings……..sexual harrassments, honor killings, discriminations, corruption, nepotisms, glass ceilings,, violence in homes,,Unemployment,,,and so many things un-reported………….and you still want to write positive?

    I wasnt expecting this :S Fasi and George sound more argumental and show the brutal image of us……….this sounds like a very nationalistic piece hiding “the ugly” side of us……….if i am ugly, I wont go and buy a new mirror that shows me beautiful……Better is a mirror that shows what one is…..(Fasi and George…..) are quite right………….I simply would prefer a “bitter truth” over a “sweet lie”…………..Recommend

  • Sarfraz Atiq
    Sep 1, 2010 - 6:44PM

    Really a great column. Rather just busting at Pakistanis people must know their own history also. If all are considered responsible for an act of just a few, then same should be applied to West also.

    Great Column Talat Hussain! Recommend

  • mahwesh bilal
    Sep 1, 2010 - 7:17PM

    Talat–crime against humanity is a crime in every form and shape. However in all the examples you use to substantiate your arguements, i.e. the americans in Iraq, the british crown and slavery etc. countries did those against ‘others’ for gains, glory whatever– the point you miss is, only in Pakistan are we increasingly turning ‘inwards’ and destroying our own land and people. We are not pitched against an enemy state…Pakistani nation will not survive a day fighting for itself at international front…we are only barbarians for ourselves. Its like the example of a big burly man who is too much of a coward outside his house to defend himself, and therefore comes home and beats up his wife instead to prove his masculinity. We need to correct many things as a Nation, and the first step to correction is admitting there is a problem.Recommend

  • Bolongo Katayama
    Sep 1, 2010 - 7:30PM

    Emotionally charged ‘Fussy recthcings’ and reactions usually result in Over-simplifications and Generalizations!Recommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 7:42PM

    Now this is some mature and positive article.
    Instead of blaming Pakistani Nation for everything like those emotionally charged newbies Fasi Zaka and the like, Talat has got an even wider picture to show…Recommend

  • Bilal Ikram
    Sep 1, 2010 - 8:00PM

    Talat sb
    Great article!! The liberal lynch mobs are scared to face the hardships when the motherland is engulfed amongst the natural clamities and all sorts of foreign consipiracies. This mob preferred to live in atheist society where they are deprived of mental peace and harmony. They forget that neverthless of all sorts of corruption and few barbaric acts by illeterate individuals, this nation has produced world renowned philanthropists like Edhi and Imran Khan and trusts like shifa trust, shaukat khanum ansd thousands of unsung heros in our society.
    I read someone comment above that Patriotism is the first resort for scoundrel, this is a ridiculous comment with no basis, infact it shoul be Unpatriots take the refuge in running away and leaving the country. Very rightly siad “Get a Passport”

    Bilal Ikram
    Lahore Recommend

  • hakeem
    Sep 1, 2010 - 8:28PM

    Sir, I am also KKK and may i ask who are you to ask us to exit from Pakistan.
    Please if you dont dare to face realities be kind enough to sneak in your fulfy bed.Recommend

  • freeha
    Sep 1, 2010 - 8:49PM

    @sp and all those who think PAKISTAN is going towards its end,must accept the advice of talat hussain an get an other passport where everything is fair an good, a dream land best of luck to those hypocrites who dont bother to do anything good but criticising others is their foremost and favorite hobbyRecommend

  • Anoop
    Sep 1, 2010 - 9:06PM

    The writer compares Pakistan with other nations like India, Britain, etc. But, no law in India or UK discriminates against any Religion or sect. No line in the Constitution of India and Britain proclaim the followers of a certain Religion as not belonging to that Religion(Ahmadis).

    In this case Pakistan is truly unique.Recommend

  • Ehsan Khan
    Sep 1, 2010 - 9:26PM

    I have another passport! But I choose to live here because I love this country. And yes , I agree with George and Fasi!Recommend

  • ahmed
    Sep 1, 2010 - 9:48PM

    Great Artical Talat sahab. There are many tax evader, smugglers and corrupt individual sucking the blood out of this society and even then never stop criticizing in such a manner.. how can they leave this country so soon?? they still have a business to run hereRecommend

  • Nabiha Chauhdry
    Sep 1, 2010 - 9:50PM

    Brilliantly done! The sense of OWNERSHIP that we as a nation so lack, and that is manipulated to no limits by the fixed foreign media approach!

    Beneath the angelic calm of material achievement of these societies — which is enviable and laudable — lurks a blood-thirsty beast that demands annihilation every now and then. The US-led, British-backed war in Iraq is a manifestation of this beast. Need we recall how the Iraqis were, and are being killed? What transpired in those awful prison cells that were guarded by the progeny of successful civilisations? Need we talk about extermination in Afghanistan and the daily dance of death that goes by the name of collateral damage? Should we cite — again — the nuclear attack on Japan?

    Let me also URGE the Pakistani community, inland and abroad, to SUPPORT the cricket players until they r proven guilty! The point to be ashamed of is not how the rest of world, with India, US and UK on top of the list, try to malign us in everything bad that has ever happened anywhere, BUT IN THE FACT that how promptly WE respond to the enemy’s wish of doing so to us! We r the ones who malign ourselves most! We r the one who pull our stars down. We r the ones who lash out on our half innocent half ignorant people and prove them guilty of practically every crime in this world!

    Reports have started coming in about Scotland Yard’s NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND SUBSTANTIAL PROOF against our players on spot fixing, or having any links to that Mazhar Majeed! haha! So much for the irrationality of the over-suspicious British (I sometimes think they might keep awake all night out of ‘fears’ about ‘Pakistani terrorists’, ‘Pakistani corruption’, ‘Pakistani students’ and the latest false drum that they’ve beaten about ‘Pakistani cricketers’!!!Recommend

  • Ahmed Akber Ali
    Sep 1, 2010 - 9:51PM

    By comparing evil deeds with other societies… how can you justify those barbaric acts.. The country where all the Policies / Constitution / Law & Order / Judiciary and its implementation is based on personal gains of so called Politicians / Generals / Judges can never achieve progress…

    God Bless PakistanRecommend

  • farheena
    Sep 1, 2010 - 10:20PM

    There’s no doubt that we’re facing severe moral and social degradation in Pakistan. No argument here. But this shouldn’t call for attacking Pakistan’s ideology [“partition”], or considering every Pakistani “diseased” and “rotten.” What poor judgment these writers use. Here in Pakistan we DO have a crisis, and the colonial mentality of the KKK and the Liberal Lynch Mob is part of the problem.

    Talat Hussain and Mehreen Khan have done a good job of putting things into perspective.Recommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 11:15PM

    Talat Hussain has hit it on the nail, the KKK crowd will need to understand that their irresponsible outbursts will have ramifications we may be on our knees as a nation but we are not down and out.Recommend

  • Fraz
    Sep 1, 2010 - 11:27PM

    Get another passport? 170 million pakistanis would love to do just that or haven’t you noticed. If you don’t believe me do a simple test. Offer 10 random Pakistani citizens from any level of society to swap their passport for one from any western developed nation. Their actions will speak louder than any words you have written! Better still, if I were to offer a guaranteed American passport for you and your family… Would you even wait to write a response before you run home to pack your bags? 

    The choice before you is simple. If you want to clean up our country, you have no choice but to start by identifying the dirt. As a journalist that’s your job. If you can’t do that then let others braver than yourself get on with it. This country of ours won’t fix itself if we keep listening to the likes of you who don’t have the courage to call a spade, a spade. So please save us the patronising articles that serve no purpose other than to prevent us from looking into the mirror. Recommend

  • Saira
    Sep 1, 2010 - 11:36PM

    I wish people would stop cribbing, whining and blaming each other, ridiculing the very nation that sustains you, provides you, your family with a life! Whatever type it maybe, we’re living a better life than those in Afghanistan, Palestine & the likes. Pakistan has provided many with an education and the means to go abroad and improve your life! So don’t blame the country that got you where you are right now, for then you people are nothing short of hypocrites & traitors.
    Just because there are acts if barbarism in our country it does not mean we all label ourselves as barbarians and begin to act like them! There is a certain percentage of this society that is aware, educated and sitting tight in this country, hoping to see things through hard times towards something better.
    Stop criticising what this person or that person has written, and actually do something to improve the situation in this country…if you don’t want to do anything to improve the situation, then atleast sit quiet and don’t demoralise those who are actually working on improving the society, and if you can’t even sit quiet, then as said above ‘get another passport…’ seriously! Recommend

  • Robin
    Sep 1, 2010 - 11:45PM

    I think Talat, you did not get the point what Fasi tried to make.
    So Talat, either you keep your eyes closed and don’t see the mirror or Join “KKK”

    And asking someone to change his passport is really insulting.Recommend

  • Aisha G
    Sep 1, 2010 - 11:50PM

    Dear Talat,

    While your observations may be correct and the Kkk be condemned for it’s hate camps, I feel as though your article seems to justify what the kkk is advocating by providing comparisons of barbarianism and pursuit of self interest from history. Why must we justify our wrongs by pointing to the mistakes and historical blunders of the west?

    Pakistani in general is becoming a little dehumanized. The urban elite retain their dignified stance and would not pick up sticks or stones or ammunition because their interests have never really been affected as those of the masses living in the impoverished areas of our country.

    We must accept the deep rooted degradation of our society and only then can we address the root cause of this state of social and moral bankruptcy to a great extent.

    We as a race are aggressive (Im talking about the general masses). If they see a fight they usually gather round screaming “phadda phadda”. I have witnessed this many many times and wondered what sadistic pleasure people get out of watching barbarianism.

    We need to deeply educate every single person in Pakistan at a western, local, cultural and spiritual level. It is only then that we will be able to see an uplift in the fabric of our society.

    Let’s accept our current mental, social, economic and moral state and it’s deficiencies Without any excuses or justification and only then can we move forward.


  • Anonymous
    Sep 1, 2010 - 11:57PM

    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel – Sameul Johnson

    Instead of giving examples of how bad the world has been and that we are still far better, why don’t we create our own benchmark – Do we need to go through the dark ages also to achieve rennaisance or we can learn from history and set higher standards for ourselves.

    Why can’t we listen to criticism and objectively filter out valid criticism and invalid argument. I read the articles of so called KKK or Liberal Lynch mobs and I did not even bother to notice the arguments where the nation was demonised as a whole BUT I cannot shut down my eyes and do ostrich policy if someone is rightly pointing out the wrongs with our society and culture.

    Being shameful is not bad – Being shameless is …Recommend

  • Sep 1, 2010 - 11:59PM

    Juma Gul Khan:
    India may have a few isolated incidents but surely by no means are they as aweful as we are today.

    You must be joking, or an Indian – the thousands killed in riots over the Babri Mosque razing, Gujrat riots, and anti-Christian riots are not a ‘few isolated incidents’. Nor are incidents such as the gang rape of a women and her parading through a village any more isolated in India than Pakistan.

    The problem is precisely with people like you, so consumed by self-loathing that you lose sight of all rational thought and paint everyone with the same brush and vilify Pakistan’s ills as if they are somehow unique. None of the authors have suggested that these deplorable incidents not be highlighted, that they not be condemned, that they not be used to instigate national discourse on our social ills. What these authors have objected to are the derogatory generalizations and inaccurate claims that somehow Pakistan alone is hell on earth and Pakistanis are the devils spawn, on the basis of these incidents.

    One cannot engage in introspection when over the top bombast and inane arguments are used to vilify all Pakistanis and all of Pakistan and destroy even that which is good in this land and people. I have a better suggestion than getting a new passport for people such as yourself who see absolutely no good in this country – go see a shrink about your depression and pessimism before you go off half cocked and blow someone up.Recommend

  • Sep 2, 2010 - 12:06AM

    Looks like there is another KKK, ‘Kover up the Kruelty Klan’, at work here. Had Sialkot been a stand alone or even one in a small series of incidents involving ‘mob fury’ one could perhaps understand it as a regrettable ‘temporary loss of reason’. But, add to this cold blooded denial of relief to flood victims of a different moral persuation (mind you no allegations of loot or thievery here), and we come face to face with mass murder without the visual violence. And here one has to say some thing very deep rooted has certainly gone all wrong with ‘civilisation’ and ‘humanity’ as it is widely understood.
    As I write this I am also reminded of the fact that apart from a newas item in Express Tribune and an editorial in Dawn, one has not come across any discussion of the ‘murder by denial of relief’ phenomenon. Any ideas WHY?Recommend

  • Sep 2, 2010 - 12:11AM

    Atiq rahman:

    “If I say that Pakistan has started 3 wars, that Pakistani’s have made for themselves a global image of a corrupt and conniving people, that Pakistan’s political parties are elitist and self serving, that Pakistan’s cricketers are a disgrace etc, it does not mean that I do not love Pakistan. It merely means that I wish to identify the wrongs and correct them.”

    You would be wrong then, on the first count – Pakistan can only be argued to have started one war, that in 1965, through attempting to infiltrate undercover soldiers into IOK and spark a rebellion. The actual military conflict in response to Op. Gibralter was started by India. The roles were reversed in 1971 where it was India supporting insurgents and terrorists in East Pakistan and in essence declaring war on Pakistan. Pakistan’s military actions against the Princely State of J&K were in fact preceded by Indian military actions (eventual invasion and occupation) against the Princely State of Junagadh, which had acceded to Pakistan more than a month before Indian aggression. So to blame Pakistan for 1947 would be unfair given that India had already established a template of invading and occupying Princely States whose rulers did not accede according to Indian wishes.

    But as for your general argument – there is nothing wrong with highlighting the ills of Pakistan and engaging in discourse over them, or stimulating discourse over them. None of the authors who have opposed Fasi and George have argued that these ills should not be highlighted. But the problem is with the derogatory generalizations, cherry picking of history and and absurd rationale (sultan Rahi films) used to tar and vilify all Pakistanis and all of Pakistan with. That is what the rebuttals center around, and in fact that is what both George and Fasi have accepted and clarified in their part twos, to some degree.Recommend

  • Nauman
    Sep 2, 2010 - 12:17AM

    I am afraid you are making wrong comparisons. The morbid society such as ours where there is no rule of law seems to be going to the lowest possible state. You can’t compare it with the civilizations in other histories which reformed themselves. Unfortunately Pakistan is doomed, and you will see this ahead. Recommend

  • Dr. Shimail Daud
    Sep 2, 2010 - 12:26AM

    Talat I agree to some points in your narrative. However I think it is sad and perhaps true but i agree it hurts. Fact is that like your patriotism is showing in your piece many of us have had such positive notes for our homeland and we kept on clinging to that hope. I guess some people are not strong enough and now starting to let go of that. It is only but such loss of hope that has resulted in such reactions. I don’t think there is a KKK group or something. Other than that you can debate as much as you can. But when you look at it objectively you will have to accept that we have all the hallmarks of a failed state. Having said that who says its not fixable. But as they say “who will bell the cat”

    For too long we have tried to live in a state of denial. To date we have denied our country of true history in schools we have always falsely glorified our weaknesses. I think we need to start to look at our own problems in the eye and aim at fixing them. But the basic rule always applies. Identify the problems, issues and then going for option appraisal followed by implementation or delivery.

    Any ways as always respect your analysis. Keep up the good work!Recommend

  • SalmanZ
    Sep 2, 2010 - 12:30AM

    “Get another Passport” … that what you have to say? We love this country my father and grand fathers fought wars to protect this country we love it and ready to die for our Mother Land called Pakistan. You have full right to disagree with NFP, George or Fasi Zaka but who gave you right to tell all get another Passport?

    We want to see Pakistan move in positive direction… to become a civilized society. We all know that this nation is surviving because of Good Men still here to support and do positive work without any expectation of good from society. But where is Justice! Putting Ch. Iftikhar back on seat is not justice! The Sialkot incident is just a reminder of our dumbness and extreme cruelty in our society. No body has balls to come forward to stop brutality. How many men were gathered at the incident point? Who gave you right to get someone’s life or decide about death?

    The reason for agreeing with NFP, FZ, or George is that we want very strict action against those perpetrators, so we don’t see such incidents again but they are quite common in our part of the world… I don’t think so you disagree?

    I think you are busy in getting all Bad news and disperse it in order to get max viewership and sponsors … did you ever think of sitting at your home and watch news on different channels?

    Just quote me Five Positive news from Past one week? or leave it! just tell me one positive news from Today?

    And stop comparing us with other societies… They have one thing called Justice with full access to poorest… Do we have that in our country?

    I am really disappointed with your words! Recommend

  • Usman Ghani Rathore
    Sep 2, 2010 - 12:39AM

    KKK are right from where they see, you are trying to be upright. We have a habit of justifying, or at least silencing down. This has led us to where we are standing today. Brutality exists more than Sanity in our nation. They always believe in a narrow and one sided view- and no matter how odd that view is. and definitely this has been a result of years of indoctrination. Once someone explained me how Edhi is a western Agent and how Edhi Orphan centers have turned out become Prostitution centers in Pakistan. Another one explained me how Oct2005 Earthquake happened- in real it was a Hydrogen Bomb Experiment by Pakistan and Chine in Mines dig out for the purpose in Mountains of Kashmir.

    These so-called KKK has protested against the majority of those, instead of condemning acts like what happened in Sialkot they always look for a reason to justify it or at least silence it down. Thanks indeed we do not have a real democracy, thanks to Generals and Civilian Dictats; who have to follow west to legitimize their own rule, in the name of democracy, unless these barbarians will eat the minorities(smaller sects) out.

    If we are still not waging war against such psyche, then may be we even do not need a passport, because the world shall be treating us as inhuman to avoid.Recommend

  • ashraf khan
    Sep 2, 2010 - 12:58AM

    I would just like to know how could the crimes of the West, past and present, justify our own barbarism? It such a self defeating argument which instead of trying to cure the ills of soceity cnvinces us that because Mr. XYZ have done this therfore, i am justified to do things more horrible than him.

    and your last sentence dear Talat is simply mediaeval, non-sensical and absolutely absurd. Seems like you are a mediaeval Sultan who is banishing all those who don’t agree with you from your realm. At least i did not expect this from you but they say there is always a silver lining to the clouds. It proves the people who you are denigrating right. We are so excessivley intolerant as a society that we can’t tolerate much less love, those who don’t agree with us, living amongst us. We as a nation was them to “get another passport”. Recommend

  • Saad Ali
    Sep 2, 2010 - 1:06AM

    Bohat ZABRDAST column hai. A much needed one in fact. Salutes to Talat Hussain on this one!Recommend

  • noorulamin
    Sep 2, 2010 - 1:42AM

    Hats off to Talat,well written article to stirr an individual who is still humanbeing.the wrong perspective followed by the world should be changed, come to Pakistan there are millions of Pkistani who are helping out their nation, at this moment of need they have devoted themselves whole heartedly to their country.lets say no to captivity of the negativity.Recommend

  • sarah
    Sep 2, 2010 - 1:49AM

    i totally agree with Mr talat.

  • Majid
    Sep 2, 2010 - 1:57AM

    Pakistanis all over the world are greiving for the two SIalkot boys and their family. You need to remember that these two beautiful boys and their civilised family are also Pakistani. After seeing how well they conducted themselves in interviews and how patient and strong they are to have to live with the aftermath of this, you need to remember they too are Pakistani. So there is hope. We can bash ourselves all we want, but this one incident is a wake up call for Pakistanis everywhere. Thanks to the Pakistani media who has told this story to the world. The main culprits need to be punished, but also every single ‘police officer’ and ‘rescue worker’ who was watching is just as guily. I hope this incident shakes and wakes up Pakistan and some positive big changes occur in all of the country’s institutions. Every Pakistani should know the names of these two boys and what they went through. It is time for all to come together as one and say ‘NEVER AGAIN’.Recommend

  • Meekal Ahmed
    Sep 2, 2010 - 1:57AM

    What do you mean ‘get another passport’?

    They already have one Recommend

  • Comet
    Sep 2, 2010 - 2:49AM

    Talat…the artice is good and it brings out the point well although certain ppl may disagree but still you have homed it well…Neither anyone justified that what all done in Sialkot was right nor anyone ever supported any such act in Pakistan which signifies that we , as a nation, are still human and have some values although we may be lacking in so many things bu that can never be used to label as THE TERRORISTS or SAVAGES. With regards to some comments admiring Mr Zaki and singing to WHITE SKINS TUNES, I would like to tell them that they are either part of the brain drain or their worst downgraded labourers who aer pushed like a donkey whole week through to work for the prosperity of their white masters and in return paid the citizenship or security. Had they been really that cultured then they might have tried to do something in their country to improve it rather than doing third grade jobs in other countries. Had it been done, we surely not have been at this point. Part of blame goes to them as well.Recommend

  • Sohaib
    Sep 2, 2010 - 2:55AM

    @Talat: so Mr.Optimistic please list down 10 items agenda to eradicate brutality from this crowd(so called Nation)……..Recommend

  • S.M.
    Sep 2, 2010 - 3:39AM

    Well written!
    hope to read more from you! Recommend

  • usman
    Sep 2, 2010 - 4:38AM

    well you know what, stop commenting on what Talat said or what Fasi said, stop giving your ideas, because all i’m sure is that we all are great minds, people with great thoughts, and with utmost respect for each other but we only lack courage to stand up for our own selves, we easily fall down and then fail to rise! We have carved a country out of country, all we need is ‘us’ to stand up once to solve the menace of our stinking elite who rules us and makes us fools!!!
    Barbaric or non-barbaric, cockroaches or snakes, KKK or PPP, Its what we make them, educated wuss class needs to come out or suffer in pain n don’t blame anyone!!!Recommend

  • Bilal
    Sep 2, 2010 - 4:55AM

    @Talat: Sorry, but its still hard for me to digest when you say “Act of a few individuals must not reflect the entire nation” — Well the Mob wasnt a few individual, they surely reflect the general public, a fairly large sample. The ones beating the poor boys may be called a few individuals perhaps … how do you explain the behaviour of the spectators??? I am sure you will agree given another thought, the MOB was all of US!Recommend

  • Faiz
    Sep 2, 2010 - 5:24AM

    Quite poor frankly from a person who I thinks is better among clowns putting up billable hourson our TV screens these days.Written with same anti-west pen which always deflects attention from our wrong doings and blames US/India/Isreal etc. all the time .Pieces like these will always give reaosns to the next lynching mob to go on the rampage again because as per Talat and others of his clan Zaid Hamid,Ali Azmat etc. “so called civilized west is also like this”. Howcome wars in Afghanistn and Iraq give reasons to brutally execute your own countrymen is beyond me.We have this attitude as a nation.Here is a litmus test. “6 Million people came out in London to protest American/British invasion of Iraq in 2003.11 people showed-up in one market of Islamabad to protest against attacks of Ahmaddiya Worship Places in 2010′.Nuff said…Recommend

  • alibhai
    Sep 2, 2010 - 6:05AM

    Shame on you Talat for maligning the holders of the grim truth. But if this is your attempt at shooting the messenger, then it is a very feeble, pathetic attempt. You can keep try to play to the house to sustain popularity but it will come at the price of honesty.

    And not content with name calling you are telling people to get another passport. Well keep this up, keep the people lulled into sleep, and you too would be running to get one soon enough. Hopefully, they’ll deny you.Recommend

  • Dings
    Sep 2, 2010 - 7:21AM

    Well. it is pointless to debate on whether we are failed or failing state….We need to focus on finding the solution of moving out of this situation. There might not be one single solution but many small solutions can help….Justifying our bad habits from developing world’s wrong doing in the past, will not help…It will be better if we learn from them to see how they came out of their mess……Recommend

  • Shan
    Sep 2, 2010 - 7:23AM

    During this whole Interwebz back and forth, no one really seems to be bringing up what, in my opinion, is the real issue facing Pakistan. Fasi skimmed the surface of it in his original piece.

    Islam, the way it is practiced by at least 90% of its worldwide adherents (the REAL Islam), is badly in need of a Reformation.

    This isn’t a political question about Palestine, or Kashmir or Chechnya or Timbuktoo (also, notice how Pakistanis never really talk about atrocities in Bengal, Afghanistan, or Western support of Muslims in the Balkans when creating their CIA/Mossad/RAW narratives of Muslim oppression).

    This is a spiritual and moral question. The vast majority of Pakistanis are more concerned with public, overt displays of religiosity than they are with personal morality, and their own humanity.

    Muslims around the world need REAL leadership. One that is grounded in today’s hyperglobalized world- not the world of 6th century Arabia.Recommend

  • Fatima
    Sep 2, 2010 - 8:06AM

    Thank you so much for writing this article the fire of anger inside which was lid when we were called barbaric and murderer has calmed down.. The government that we have got is our bad choice and wrong votes. May Allah help us to fix our mistakes. Recommend

  • Jumma Gul khan
    Sep 2, 2010 - 10:17AM

    “None of the authors have suggested that these deplorable incidents not be highlighted, that they not be condemned, that they not be used to instigate national discourse on our social ills.”

    That’s a slippery slop you’re walking on Zain. Neither did Fasi or Fuluton give a blanket condemnation. It was clear that their speech was figurative not literal. But really who is showing us the mirror image of society? People like Mehreen who worked for Shaukat Aziz as a special advisor? It never dawned upon her in her 8 years working for a man who siphoned off 500 million dollars allegedly, that maybe she should protest. Whhere were her articles then? Or her patriotism? Where was she when Aafia was going missing? To the contrary Fasi and George are journalists who love this country, call Pakistan their home and want serious introspection.

    You wish to deflect the attention by comparing us to India and Rawanda. Fine, then don’t claim to be better because you are Muslims. You by no degree are better because your bench marks are the abysmal low of this world. But your choice of comparative indicators is even more disturbing. Why don’t you compare yourself with India’s industrial development or institutional development? Or is it only carnage and pillage at which our nation can compete with others and nothing else?Recommend

  • Sara
    Sep 2, 2010 - 10:19AM

    How typically shortsighted and ridiculous, some of these comments! As usual, it’s bloody all or nothing for us Pakistanis, isn’t it? I take it most of you haven’t ever heard of the concept of a balanced POV? Regardless of the fact that it’s touted as being an admirable Islamic quality? Of corse you haven’t, because that would mean a lot less opportunity to spew blanket, OTT criticism of a valid, rational article. So, on the one hand we have people indulging in backslapping, thinking the writer meant to bracket the entire West as the paragon of evil. On the other, we have people condemning the article as if it were a sorry attempt at excusing all our faults.

    In a word, FAIL on both ends.

    Here. I’ll put it in baby words so you lot can grasp the meaning of this piece. DON’T CONDEMN AN ENTIRE NATION BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS OF A FEW. Simple enough? There are good and bad people everywhere. Is that an entirely new notion for some of you? Because it seems to be. You know what it implies, when a bunch of people start bashing an entire nation/race/religion/insert group of your choice because a few people from that group break the law/ resort to violence etc? IT’S CALLED RACISM. It’s equal to ‘all Muslims are terrorists’ or ‘All Jews are money grubbing scoundrels’ or ‘all blacks are lazy.’

    That’s all he’s saying here, for rationality’s sake. All those who sit around bemoaning Pakistan and whinging about the hopelessness of every single member of this country need to imbibe a heavy dose of reality, and he’s trying to inject just that into this new bout of hysteria. Hence the pointing out of crimes against humanity and people, committed by the paragons of virtue living outside our borders. Hence the mentioning of Iraq, and crusades, and colonialism.

    To illustrate the wrongness of labeling an entire group because of a few, and to demonstrate the FACT that no one is beyond reproach. Whatever their nationality.

    Seriously. I wish one could take a deep breath and think, before typing away furiously at their keyboard. Really. Recommend

  • Jamil Uddin
    Sep 2, 2010 - 10:21AM

    Sultan Rahi is depicted as a hero in our films whereas Hollywood’s cannibals, flesh-eaters, vampires, mobsters, gangsters, rapists, torturers, and yes, ‘Terminators’ and paedophiles are villains. Stake burning is condemned whereas we defend honor killings.
    I agree with SalmanZ nobody have right to tell anybody to get another passport. Let me ask each and everyone of us especially the columnist, if your brother or son was killed in a Sialkot like mob attack, would you give the advice of getting another passport???????Recommend

  • Waqas Ghori
    Sep 2, 2010 - 12:15PM

    A good article exposing the Liberal Mafia in the press and their lousy examples :D. Keep up the good work and stay on the Right path.

    Another thing awesome about this article is that it mentions that “Beneath the angelic calm of material achievement of these societies — which is enviable and laudable — lurks a blood-thirsty beast that demands annihilation every now and then.” (In other words the lack of moral values).

    And do not worry about the lousy followers of lousy liberal mafia (They want some attention of course).

    Great work againRecommend

  • Sep 2, 2010 - 12:38PM

    Comments on this post are more interesting. KKK vs Rightwing. On number counts, KKK is winning. More KKK numbers also suggest that they have a better internet connections,as most of them have already changed their passports. Recommend

  • Saad bin Naeem
    Sep 2, 2010 - 12:59PM


  • tested
    Sep 2, 2010 - 1:27PM

    well done mr talat, i agree 100%. somehow i believe the KKK does everything by design, because clearly they are not dumb beings, infact they are very smart beings to have such obscene opinions. Its by design , that they perpetrate such thought process and try to poison the psyche of the youth, shame on them!Recommend

  • Ali
    Sep 2, 2010 - 2:32PM

    Dear Talat, I feel saddened by your interpretation and analysis of our times. You are forgetting that the western society was barbarian, in the past, we were not barbarians in the past. Look at the present, we have not learned from our past and our future is worst then our present. So blaming others for your own short comings only makes you look weak. Are we not only barbarians but also foolish (phudu) that we justify our short comings on some one else’s history?

    Secondly you accuse every other news organisation for being a gutter press, having an vendetta against Pakistan and agenda for demoniac representation of Pakistan. Unfortunately you have not had the opportunity to sit in front of real philosophers and thinkers who can discuss your analysis based on realistic and thorough research.

    You lack ability to analyse news unbiased, what you are only doing is to compete with Indian and western gutter press but with poor strategy and content.

    I would suggest drop your pseudo-intellectual approach and do your research and find solutions to problems rather than hype problems and blame others for problem which you can not analyse and interpret. Recommend

  • Natasha Raza
    Sep 2, 2010 - 2:36PM


    I never realized how complex the life of a self-loathing bitter cockrach can be. Perhaps Fasi Zaka could use your little note as inspiration for his next masterpiece entitled “The memoirs of a iconoclast Parasite”.
    I cant wait for it, im sure its gonnaa be a cynical gem enriched with some more of Zaka’s classic revelations of “Reason why this country is a hellhole”.

    And than again, why shouldnt Zaka be a critic of the very place that has given him his Identity and sustainance. In fact, we all as “Infectious Pests of this Planet”, should JOIN FASI in crippling this country of its well being. Its something that would be more easier to do than actually working for the betterment of this nation. Afterall we have been fighting for Pakistans prosperity for decades now….. why not just give up and count our riches (like this herald author). Im just positive that thats exactly what we need and for that THANKYOU eR. FASI. You are surely the revolutionist that is needed to mend this wretched country of its disease, and it’s people!Recommend

  • Rubina Kokab
    Sep 2, 2010 - 3:29PM

    Excellent article… I comprehensively agree with Talat’s argument.Recommend

  • mak
    Sep 2, 2010 - 3:34PM

    I absolutely agree with Areefa Azam and S M Humayun. I have been proposing the same in my writing on express and other journals but stopped commenting once i realized everyone is just too involved with blame games and moving away from the basic need of the hour – Actions not words are required. Think positive and start implementing solutions. Convert words into actions. Stand up for justice in sialkot, stand up for education, stand up for the case against ‘diverting of floods by land lords”, stand up for the case against corruption, stand up for accountability, stand up for the eradication of terrorism and sectarian violence, stand up for a new system! protest, block roads, I don’t care what we do BUT we need to ACT for a change! and stop all those responsible from letting our beloved country and citizens live in the present state pakistan (that is facing crisis after crisis, a failing system, mismanagement of dangerous proportions). Don’t blame the cricketers, change the system. ask why there are not proper government schools/lack of schools to educate the masses, where is the money being spent – public should know? why are businessmen and other people not paying their taxes? why are our graduates not getting jobs, why is there a brain drain in our country? etc etc. Who is taking account of all these irregularities. Why is there a sham democracy? I don’t care if there is bloodshed but we bloody well need to act to change the system. 4 years ago we were part of the exclusive group of emerging countries and now we are leading the most corrupt nations league tables. I ask who is responsible for this? I am prepared to ACT against the culprits no matter how powerful they are. Ask yourself a basic question: do i want to live as a Pakistani in shame where ever I go or I am willing to take proactive measures to be responsible for changing Pakistan into a country where all the issues mentioned above and others are eradicated. If you decide not to act – then no matter where you go to escape the current state of affairs in our country – the reality will not escape you because Pakistan is your identity! And WE have to be responsible to enhance our identity. I leave you all to ponder on what I, Areefa, Humayun and others have been saying on this theme and also with JFK’s quote to reflect upon: “Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what YOU can do for your country” Recommend

  • Imran Ahmed
    Sep 2, 2010 - 3:43PM

    A MUCH needed column indeed!

    God bless Talat Hussain.Recommend

  • Mohsin Sayeed
    Sep 2, 2010 - 3:55PM

    “But I tried, didn’t I goddamnit, at least I did that.”–Jack Nicholson in ‘One flew over the cuckoo’s nest’.
    Can we at least not even try? Have we become so weak and small? Let’s join hands at the Arts Council at 4 pm on Saturday Sept 4. Let’s start a movement for Peace and Justice. Let’s not waste the moment and mom…See more
    White Movement for Justice & Peace- Stand UP AND BE COUNTED!

    White Movement for Justice & Peace- Stand UP AND BE COUNTED!

    Residents of other cities in Pakistan can start the movement independently.Recommend

  • Syed Anser Imam
    Sep 2, 2010 - 4:31PM

    bravo!! well written and nice reply to FASI’s idiotic cockroach thing…Recommend

  • Yamna
    Sep 2, 2010 - 4:36PM

    To all those who are indicating that Talat Hussain is blaming the west for what we are today. please read the article carefully. nowhere does he state that what is happening is right or someone else is responsible for it. True that only through self realization can we begin to correct ourselves individually and then the society as a whole but HOW the hell (pardon my language but i am quite angry) does defaming the entire community, crushing the spirit of those who still believe that good can happen and we can rise out of this situation on our own accord because after everything, we can, still, right now, as of this moment, turn back make it right. make it better. Especially the young generation; it is deeply saddening to hear the notes of utter disappointment and depression in their voices when they say “i am seriously thinking of leaving the country, theres nothing that can be done!” no nation ever prospered after losing HOPE in themselves and abandoning their fellows when they were most needed. Thank you TH for not taking that route. I applaud the fact that you are on the ground always and see the devastation that is there and as opposed to those who love making statements after reading news and sitting in their drawing rooms (as much as i do not want to pass judgement on this i really cant help it!) you still have the good sense to say all is not lost. Recommend

  • Raza
    Sep 2, 2010 - 4:43PM

    I dont watch your shows and I dont like your style of anchoring. But this article is very good – I respect you for having the guts to say this.Recommend

  • Jawad Butt
    Sep 2, 2010 - 5:29PM

    Time is too short for such discussions.. But i agree with Talat we are not down at any cost..We Play to win and Looser are not a part of us.. Its absolutely right that one should read history before commenting on others.. And one should always remember what the world had to Pay in World War 1 and 2 which i guess were not against any Muslim Regime..
    And Talat please dont Forget whom did main protagonist in the bram stoker novel dracula relate too.. I guess if he would written it today his novel would end up in the East..Recommend

  • mak
    Sep 2, 2010 - 5:41PM

    Mohsin – thanks for sharing and many thanks for initiating this movement – all my support is with you and members of this new movement for change in Pakistan. i will be there with fellow citizens “who wish to act for a change” at 4pm on Sept 14 with letter and spirit.Recommend

  • Robin
    Sep 2, 2010 - 5:46PM

    “Project the strengths and positives of Pakistan” this is the message that you tried to give in your writing. Does our electronic media project the positives of Pakistan? You represent Aaj TV (One of the leading channels). In which way it projects positives of Pakistan. Our electronic media keep on criticising and showing negatives and distruction in the country. Did you ever try to influence Aaj TV to show positives of Pakistan?

    Everybody in this country has right to express his opinions whether you agree or not.Recommend

  • Mohsin Sayeed
    Sep 2, 2010 - 6:42PM


    Thank you very much. It’s heartening to see that at least one person has a heart instead of just lips.

    You have given me so much hope, Mak, you have no idea.Recommend

  • Nabiha Chauhdry
    Sep 2, 2010 - 7:49PM

    @ Fraz: “Get another passport? 170 million pakistanis would love to do just that or haven’t you noticed. If you don’t believe me do a simple test. Offer 10 random Pakistani citizens from any level of society to swap their passport for one from any western developed nation. Their actions will speak louder than any words you have written! Better still, if I were to offer a guaranteed American passport for you and your family… Would you even wait to write a response before you run home to pack your bags? ”

    I’m pretty sure there are NUMEROUS influential, learned, educated, and civilized Pakistanis (including myself and countless others), who despite having green cards and immigrations and passports DO NOT travel to stay abroad, be it in the US or the UK or any other country. Reason is simple: ‘It is much better to live as a first class citizen of a third class country rather than living as a third class citizen of a first class country’ – (quote: VC, NED University Karachi).

    The honour and respect that you get in your country can not be found anywhere else in the world. Confused people who have no sense of national character obviously settle for anything as meager as a doctor/engineer working at a departmental store in the UK/US! And here, Mr.Talat is talking about those very Pakistanis who find the dishonour of other countries better than the honour of Pakistan, only because all they can do is moan and groan about the have-nots of Pak.

    Secondly, yes pointing out to eradicate the evils of our society is a good thing, but doing it only for the sake of maligning and disregarding the term ‘Pakistan’ is highly highly deplorable! In today’s world, the most effective diplomacy is through the international media. All the evils that we have in our society are also present in the Indian society, yet the world goes affectionately crazy when they here about India, whereas the first and last notion a Pakistani is linked with internationally is ‘terrorism’ and ‘corruption’. The difference is only in the international projection that we as a nation give to our own selves and that the Indians or any other nation do.

    Anyone who is ashamed of being a Pakistani, may very well get another passport and if u think all Pakistanis will go.. haha.. GIVE IT A TRY! In fact, I’d suggest, plz do that! Pakistan will be ridden of all confused wanna-be’s at least :pRecommend

  • Tooba Fatima
    Sep 2, 2010 - 8:59PM

    It seems to me that all of us write in a mood. Some of us are in a good mood, some in a bad one. I am uncertain if we are cockroaches or angels; perhaps somewhere in between. always, somewhere both black and white. so grey, really.

    Perhaps by accepting, even exaggerating, how far we have sunk, one may hope to liven the flame of recovery within a few (if never all) individuals, and hence improve. perhaps a lucid exaggeration of our faults will result in an effort to change, which springs from within.Recommend

  • Cedric Edwin
    Sep 2, 2010 - 9:34PM

    But two wrongs do not make a right. The Western Civilization has atrocious cruelties on their hands – no one denies that – but does this mean that whatever is happening in our nation is fine? People get mobbed, robbed, raped, killed in every society/community/nation. But does that justify what’s happening in our country? The cornerstone of our nation were the elements of faith, unity and discipline. Unfortunately, these elements lie only in the midst of old dusty libraries.

    Yesterday, I heard Nusrat’s famous Kalam-e-Iqbal. Iqbal talks about Dayar-e-ishq. He goes on to say, Tujhe Gul Fakr O Shahi Ka Bata Doon, Ghareebi Mein Nigehbani Khudhi Ki. I was highly motived after listening to this masterpiece. But soon after hearing the corruption happening in the relief camps of the flood victims, I lost all my motivation. I pondered on the words of Illama, “Ghareebi Mein Nigehbani Khudhi Ki”. Bewildered, disoriented and finally agitated, I wonder whether the words of Illama reflect reality or are they just a fantasy? Have a look around and think!Recommend

  • Naziha
    Sep 2, 2010 - 9:48PM

    Excellent rejoinder to the liberal lynch mob! While I am thoroughly ashamed by the murder in Sialkot and the recent shenanigans of our cricketers, I don’t agree with this collective self-flagellation at all. To tar everyone with the same brush is like metaphorically lynching millions of innocent people who would never have allowed this to happen in their presence. And that’s isn’t very different from what happened in Sialkot, is it?Recommend

  • Sep 2, 2010 - 10:27PM

    good points Talat,totally agree with u.bunch of people like fasi zaka r busy spreading pessimism and negativity in the socity we need people like u who r still hopeful.Recommend

  • Mawali
    Sep 3, 2010 - 1:21AM

    Could it be that you are getting carried away a tad. Floods, the Sialkot incident (to name just one) are serious incidents that no one should make light of. Frankly at this point I could care less about the Cricket controversy, or the wannabe KKK’s (for one thing lacks originality) there are people dying on a daily basis not just the result of the floods but as result of the state this nation now finds itself in.
    I will never lay blame on the poor schmuck who works 10 maybe 12 hours a day to put a lousy piece of bread on the table. But I have a serious issue with folks who get ticked because someone correctly pointed out the FACT that Pakistan indeed is a card carrying member of the “group of failed states” . The fact is that while the rest of the World is moving forward, Pakistan with each day is earnestly at work to go back in time. No one needs to send Pakistan back to the Stone Age, Pakistani’s are quite capable of that themselves; thank you very much!
    Civilization plays a pivotal role in determining the success or failure of a nation or a group. Especially when you account for religion as being the driver of that civilization. In Pakistan’s case the model fits like a glove. But, civilizations are not static but dynamic; meaning future events can be altered based on active intervention and or influences.
    You have selectively and in isolation made references to European and American adventures in brutality and inhumane behavior. Fine! So what? You can go back and dig for all the dirt you can find on anyone else besides you but then do stop and ask yourself how that helps Pakistan.
    Wouldn’t it be refreshing for a change if Pakistani’s for once stop and take account and admit there is something wrong within our house that needs correction? It would be so nice if for once we stop feeling so dag gone sorry for ourselves and get over this victim mentality.
    These KKK wannabe’s will come and go. But, the time you and I have right now to put the house in order and to help will not linger longer. Stop the blame game and get over it! Capeesh!Recommend

  • Faisal Ejaz
    Sep 3, 2010 - 2:20AM

    Well I have Aussie passort, but Indians did not get me visa for work purpose :(…so even if u have another passport..does not work :PRecommend

  • Mubashir
    Sep 3, 2010 - 3:45AM

    The Love it or Leave it Logic would make it all the more difficult to strive for improvement. It is very easy to blame the west for all misdoings. West didn’t make us stick to Feudalism. They didn’t make our education policy. They did not embezzle Billions while the poor masses starved. We have to realize that we are going only one way…. DOWN. When we blame others remember there are four fingers pointing back at you.

    Pakistanis put Pakistan at the very last…. Don’t believe me!! Ask the Good General who said “Pakistan First” and gave us an NRO.

    Everyone has to realize that this is our country and we are responsible to bring Good fortune or otherwise to it. And if the west manipulates us to act otherwise, then it is our fault that we let them make us …..Recommend

  • Saad Haris
    Sep 3, 2010 - 6:49AM

    I would like to say that there is always 2 sides to a coin…. and what Talat has mentioned is right and this article was only regarding the fact ” to get another passport”.. with all due respect most of us here are still doing the same thing “pointing fingers” rather then making a constructive argument or a constructive thought… we all know what Talat has said is so true and when I say that is coz every nation has their good and bad sides with it but that doesnt mean that we start claiming that we dont know how to live and that we are a failed state…

    leme ask you if a family member of all of us is wrong in some way.. would we all dis-own him/her …. no we would not do that we would all do our best to improve them… then how can we say that about our own country..there r so many reason that i can point out as to y we ignore it when it comes to country .. but not when it comes to our own families.. but i would rather say something positive.. as most of us here are rational people and they know the reasons..

    so its imp to get ride of the problems rather then just saything that this house is not clean we cannot live in it.. ALLAH has given us this homeland we need to be thankful and need to make it better and better rather then saying that this is not clean and there r so many problems we need to leave it and go somewhere else where everything is perfect.. remember all developed nations were not developed since they came into being.. who made them like wat they r now is the ppl.. and also because they wanted to make their country better and they then not only wanted it THEY DID IT…. we all know we want to make it better but only this THOUGHT is not going to help this cause we need TO DO IT… and this is the perfect time to do it… as there are so many good ppl and i would love to name some of them out, coz everyone who does something good needs to be appreciated and encouraged, like (Shahzad Roy, Jawad Ahmed, Imran Khan, Eddhi and the list goes on) as they r the most courageous ppl in our nation who in this time … where everyone else wants to sit on their sofa and gossip about the politics and the nation while having the best tea and best food.. but not do anything about it…. these are the ppl who named above r doing it and r trend setters … we need to follow them and set the same examples for the generations to come so that we can make Pakistan one of the better nations..

    we know y our enemies are after us… coz they know our potential.. its time we realise our POTENTIAL too… plz open ur eyes and come out do something usefull.. ENOUGH OF TALKING PLZZZZ


  • sophia
    Sep 3, 2010 - 7:02AM

    Talat, I agree with the absurdity of condemning and labeling a whole nation but don’t agree that it means they should have to leave the country, what happened to the democratic right of dissent and healthy debate.Recommend

  • Omair
    Sep 3, 2010 - 9:20AM

    The point is quite simple. good and bad exists in every society, but you do not tag the entire nation as bad/failed. Good do exist in our society but right now they are silent, not because they are passive but because we lack the proper law and order. For those who want recent incidents, a muslim woman stabbed several times in court, what about all the prisoner of war and testimonials of US army filtering thru now. There are many other such incidents happening in the most developed of nations. The man will create “fitna” as angels had showed their concerns, but as God put it “there are good men in the ranks too” as well.

    I guess our self esteem has gone so down that who ever insults us we deserve it. Thanks Talat for still having self esteem and self belief and showing us we should have it too. Recommend

  • SA
    Sep 3, 2010 - 11:10AM

    I completely agree with Robin.. Talat’s words do not match his attitude with which he conducts the shows. He hardly has something positive to convey!
    @ Mohsin is it on sept 4 or 14? I will attend insha’Allah. Recommend

  • Fk
    Sep 3, 2010 - 12:14PM

    yeah get another passport if thats how u think about Pakistan.Recommend

  • Jamil Uddin
    Sep 3, 2010 - 12:15PM

    Fasi Zaka is right. Most of us have seen the overturned cap of gutter. A large multitude of scared cockroaches scurrying here and there depicts all the above comments. Every issue becomes a “Them vs Us” issue.kkk will bash the right winger and vice versa. could we have a serious discussion on the contents of the two columns without finger pointing. Let me help you my fellow cockroaches: Q1) Are we cock roaches or not? Give 5 reasons Q2) Should we get another passport or not? give 5 reasons. Seem academic? exactly. We were taught to think like humans but as we are cockroaches we were not able to do that. try if you can, Good Luck.Recommend

  • Sara
    Sep 3, 2010 - 12:18PM

    The Only Normal Person Here should be given a column on the tribune effective immediatelyRecommend

  • eraj danish
    Sep 3, 2010 - 1:22PM

    An interesting article but I would not agree that Pakistan is a failed state. If only we could get rid of the Taliban everything will get back to normal.Recommend

  • ali hamdani
    Sep 3, 2010 - 1:25PM

    Violence and we are known to be aggressive on each other as well as others. If only there could be more tolerance and secular ideas in this country, we could safe our future.Recommend

  • SarmadR
    Sep 3, 2010 - 4:36PM

    Well…I know the sentiment that led Fasi Zaka to write a strong article BUT also agree with the sentiment in the backlash that it generated.
    Fulton’s article used a bit too much generalization but the intent was totally agreeable.

    Though the… “positive” (if i can use that word in the same sentence with sialkot) thing that should come out of the Sialkot incident is that we Pakis should become introspective, agree that WE are ourselves are the problem…and begin the change from within, person-by-person, community by community.
    This debate really is useless because its people who think well of Pakistan using their forms of expression to defend and move forward. I know Mehreen Khan agrees we need to change from within, so does Fulton, Fasi Zaka and Talat Hussain.Its just they dont agree with the particular expression used to exhibit this angst.

    So lets just agree that we are now aware and understand the Ayah of the Quran about the Nations and the state they are in:

    “Verily! Allah will not change the (good) condition of a people as long as they do not change their state (of goodness) themselves. But when Allah wills a people’s punishment, there can be no turning it back, and they will find besides Him no protector”(Surat Ra’d, Ayah 11)Recommend

  • Jami
    Sep 3, 2010 - 4:50PM

    The solution is GET ANOTHER ATTITUDE not PASSPORT.Recommend

  • GetALife
    Sep 3, 2010 - 6:49PM

    Hard to believe Talat does not have another passport!Recommend

  • EJ
    Sep 3, 2010 - 7:51PM

    Wrong is wrong regardless of the time and society we live in. The day we accept wrong as norm and stop questioning it, we start stepping backwards in civilization.

    Talat Sahab, you need a reality check of what we have become! acknowledging our mistakes and undoing is the only key to get out of this mess and trust me it does not make anyone less patriotic!

    Its no longer about “few individuals” – its about all of us Pakistanis and what we have become.
    “Millions of great men and women are at work serving their fellow human beings in this country”
    Yes indeed, it’s only the disasters that bring us together and then we get busy within our own selfish world.

    Unfortunately, we have so well immunised ourselves from the wrong, that it no longer affects us the way it should. Our hearts have hardened and we have become baihis.

    Perhaps you need to “get another passport” and live with people who still have basic values, who would cry for a dog, who would donate without discrimination! It may give you a broader perspective.

    From Someone with another passport.Recommend

  • Bangash
    Sep 3, 2010 - 8:15PM

    Pakistanis just can’t take criticism and condemnation, its hurts their pride and dignity. Look around you, Pakistanis are dying iin terrrorist attacks, floods, earthquakes, mobs and are suffering from incompetent govt and institutions and massive corruption. What is there to praise in Pakistan ? It is a hellhole and only when you admit it is a hellhole will you begin your journey on the right path.Recommend

  • Tilsim
    Sep 3, 2010 - 10:33PM

    Talat, your criticism of George and Fasi are unwarranted and distasteful. They may be expressing their hurt and frustration in a manner that annoys you but they are representing the feelings of many many Pakistanis. It’s outrageous to suggest that because you don’t agree with them, they should get another passport. Listen to what they have to say. They love this country as much as you do. They want it to recognise ourselves and change; not hide or ignore the serious problems facing our society.Recommend

  • Sep 4, 2010 - 12:03AM

    While i have been watching TS since his PTV days and really admire his analysis expertise he has got it wrong this time. His examples of the killer doctor and Sultan rahi are over-simplifications in a sense that while bad things do happen in WEST, the society there collectively not only condemns it but also tries with HONESTY to counter it. No one tries to “justify” killings in WEST by if and buts like PAK society does for the TALIBAN issue. Our apologetic excuses and refusal to call TALIBAN terrorists (not the newspaper headlines) is one such big proof. Our nation not only has failed miserably to define which type of ISLAM or SHARIAH the nations wants but also failed to give a SENSIBLE SHAPE to the dreams of IQBAL and JINNAH. Therefore TALAT needs to better bring some strong arguments here, these are very ordinary ones. His writing more seems a “tit for tat” on paper than any real substance this time. Recommend

  • Sep 4, 2010 - 12:19AM

    Dear Talat Hussain, its not the WESTERN society where KILLING an innocent is a COMPLEX case, as to if the killing was GOOD or BAD , ISLAMI or GAIR-ISLAMI, SHAHADAT or HALAKAT et. All such nonsense issues have been part of the MUSLIM world not the WEST, exceptions apart.

    It is not the WESTERN society where few are running after 72 virgins and rest killing those and getting their own group of 72. Such confusions and complexities are part of MUSLIM world not the WEST.

    In WEST everyone knows how to treat someone’s death. The WESTERN world doesnt make an issue out of the death. Similarly if a christian person turns a SUICIDE bomber 99.99% of the WESTERN world will immediately condemn it and might make its own gov answerable.

    Can the MUSLIM ummah from Egypt to Malaysia and from Africa to Abroad-settlers come even closest to the standards of a WESTERN society?

    Obviously NO, so how come you are over-simplying sultan rahi and the doctor killer to generalize the WEST? While you can easily name 100 suicide bombers and their “appreciation” in MUSLIM world, can you barely name just few of the other KILLER DOCTOR incidents or something similar ? The WESTERN world is not GENERALIZING because they are not labeling MUSLIMs as terrorist only considering one or two incident. There are thousand and thousand of terrorist incidents in which MUSLIM ummah is involed and not only involved but justifies it by calling it JIHAD or WAR against INFIDELs or LIBERATION etc.

    List 1000 terror incidents in last 10 years and you will find 990 have fingerprints going to either Arab world or PAKISTAN. This is a POWERFUL figure to call the MUSLIM world, equal responsible for the terrorism. West has no such figures. While individual terror incidents do occur, the society NOT only condemns it but the laws there make sure the responsible get punished.

    A wrong post indeed by you.Recommend

  • a friend
    Sep 4, 2010 - 12:57AM

    blowing up people into pieces is this nation’s favorite pasttime and exporting terror is the only export oriented industry…am i missing something here?Recommend

  • Humanity
    Sep 4, 2010 - 1:01AM

    @Tilsim Spot on!

    The “No problem” and “Aall in well” attitude is a response of lazy minds, that lack the courage for to undertake a change in the mindset. Acknowledge the problem, diagnose the root cause, and then try to fix it.

    It is a disingenuous journalism to simply shoot the messenger, and to report only what the audience wants to hear. It is a disservice to the country.

    Thumbs down!!Recommend

  • farida
    Sep 4, 2010 - 2:58AM

    well said Mr. Talat..

    although wat happened in Sioalkot may not allow others to label us as uncivilized ppl or barbarians… but it surely brings out one quality in the lime light… that we wont really mind seeing something wrong happening…and wont try to stop it , especially if it puts our life and safety in danger… That is if not 100%, 80% of us are cowards… including me.

    And the reason why we as mulsims will ever fails will not be cuz of the tyranny, for thats the trait of the devil and only rare of Humans are so… we will fail cuz of the cowardice… and selfishness to protect ourselves and close our eyes.. to the ill treatments and injustice happening, sometimes even to our ownselves.

    So if i give right to my husband to beat me every night and i still stay with him… its not he only who is at wrong… i being a mature sensible human being and above it a muslim , beleiver of allah the almighty, its me who is wrong to suffer and not get up and strengthen myself in the faith of Allah and claim for myself my rights of security and respect.

    i being a shia will quote u of what the martordom of kerbela was abt… Imam husain sacrificed his life being a muslim.. fighting for islam… yazid called himself a mulsim too(in the books of world, no one can deny he wasnt, any less of a mulsim then u and me are)… and all thsoe who were under him were muslims… they were not jews christians or illuminatis… they were muslims…but all of them were cowards and as so… they were just as wrong as yazid himself… and if husain… wud have wanted he wud have been selfish too and let Yazid do what he wanted and let god save islam. Himself…why bother.. but he wasnt a coward and he wasnt a selfish person… but he was only a muslim…

    All those who fought against Husain, werent all enemies of islam…there were some who didnt wnated what happened there, there were some who were just doing their job and may be hating it.. but Allah will condemn every one of them along with Yazid… they all died a painful death cuz they kept their mouth shut…some only for offering a nail for the saddle of the men who rode the horse and went in the battle.

    we need to know…that whatever we are facing today… doesnt make u and me a victim… we have chosen to be a victim by being a coward.

    and what i am suggesting is not something of a weak-hearted person like me to do…but atleast i can regularly seek and pray to allah for courage and a stronger faith…

    Thank youRecommend

  • Midhat Shahab
    Sep 4, 2010 - 9:16AM

    Excellent read!
    For many of us who in anguish and deepsorrow over the sialkot inncient started labelling the whole nation as a failled civilization and reduced them to mere cockroaches, this article does restore some of the dignity! failed ppl do not have any hope.. we are full of mistakes but we need to learn from them, take some corrective measures. but we arent hopeless! We have been shown mirror : a very brutal and a dark side indeed but we will not sit back hopelessly! We need to stand up and fix the mess we created! Atleast we realize unlike many western countries who in name of peace have been killing thousands n thousand of innocent ppl. This Is our positive side:)
    Gr8 work Talat SahabRecommend

  • Usama
    Sep 4, 2010 - 9:18AM

    We are in this state not because of our culture or history, but because we forgot them bothRecommend

  • Danish
    Sep 4, 2010 - 9:39AM

    The cockroaches in Sialkot are the creation of a deeply dysfunctional state, so are the Taliban (Pakistani, Punjabi, Afghani). If a group of people acknowledge that and say it out loud they are doing no disservice to the Nation, on the other hand Apologists like Talat Hussain and his right wing circus buddies see the good side and the moral high horse these animals sit on. No one is saying that every Pakistani is sick in the head. There are the Edhi’s too, there are kids and old gentlemen in Karachi who go and clean up other peoples litter on the streets. So “Ghalat” be constructive and dont peddle your stinking wares to a population that is not your regular TV audience.Recommend

  • LPJ
    Sep 4, 2010 - 11:26AM

    Well I think I can be a liberal and still agree with Talat on this one. The issue here isn’t even about blaming others for our problems, it’s about refraining from unintellectual sweeping statements. Why can’t so called liberals understand that?Recommend

  • hamid Khan
    Sep 4, 2010 - 10:17PM

    Its Talat sahib who sits on a tv chanell and daily paints a doomsday scenario. sami’s article was the best ever i have read. Talat sahib wants that PPP should go rest of the pakistan is ok. Recommend

  • basharat
    Sep 5, 2010 - 4:58AM

    Fusi Zaka and Mr George have courage to identify multifarious problems the country is facing since decades. I dont agree that Pakistan is a failed State nevertheless, the country is not problem free.
    If we want to get rid of the situation, we must first of all, diagnose the diseases of body politic of our country, hiding them will bring no cure. Mr Talat had pointed out aggressions and atrocities committed by the USA and western world, is it rational to justify what is going on in our country. Hardly any day passes when there is no terrorist attack.It is absurd to compare past crualties of western world.We should focus present day situation of ours which is not at all pleasant. Culture of denial will not help to overcome our odds.It is not West or USA conducting blasts in mosques, Imambargahs, shopping malls and other places, where in the opinion of the perpetrators death toll could be high.The terrorists are from within, a fact which the west winger had been trying to deny.
    The minorities, especially Ahmadiyya community, since many decades, have been continuously persecuted, can someone deny it? Ninety plus worshipers were killed in Lahore, and next day through firey
    speeches they were declared liable to be killed.In present day West, people of different faiith and races are living in peace and harmony and in Pakistan, those who travel in bullet proof vehicles do not feel themselves safe.Recommend

  • salma
    Sep 5, 2010 - 6:28AM

    its really encouraging to see that at least someone in Pakistan is raising his voice against the propaganda being instigated against us. This is what we should do…all of us….only criticising wont do…state your opinions…logically………you would realise that there is not much of a logic in all this propaganda after all….its just that we often fail to see the obvious.Recommend

  • M. Shahjahan Bhatti
    Sep 5, 2010 - 1:40PM

    I think he is one of the KKK. He wants a war that no one can fight in the country. Pakistan wants a leader who can save it from the punishment of the world. The whole world abhors our manner of governance. I see Talat as Don Quixote. But he writes good English. Let him carry on writing to prove he is a superb writer. On T.V. he speaks well. It simply doesn’t mean he should lead the world. Recommend

  • qasim raza
    Sep 5, 2010 - 3:04PM

    Well said and very well writtenRecommend

  • Farooq
    Sep 5, 2010 - 10:36PM

    Instead of highlighting the west’s negative aspects,Talat I think we should focus more on our positive image,and there are many of these.No point indulging into a debate which leads nowhere.Recommend

  • Salman Arshad
    Sep 6, 2010 - 2:26AM

    The irony !!
    Those who wish we work at introspection are asked to get another passport ..
    Those who wish we work at introspection are blamed to be unpatriotic..
    How dirty can it get here .. not cockroaches definitely .. we are worse.. Recommend

  • Shabbir
    Sep 6, 2010 - 2:49AM

    yaar another passport is not easy to get :(

    but well writen i hope george will write another edition of don’t get surprised…


  • Amin H.
    Sep 6, 2010 - 3:44PM

    We are no diffferent from our cricketers. Our modus operandi is: Deny, deny, deny. Then lie, lie, lie. Recommend

  • Haroon Masood
    Sep 7, 2010 - 2:21AM

    Quite respectfully Sir, two wrongs don’t make a right. Just because Stalin’s Russia and Hitler’s Germany killed millions of their own citizens in cold blood, we should not consider our selves to be vindicated of our crimes in Bangladesh. Its is an atrociously bad argument that just because some societies have behaved even worse than we have, that we should give a pat on our backs and say that is all alright. Recommend

  • Volkswagen
    Sep 7, 2010 - 5:13AM

    yeah and so the pessimists live….. its always half full and room for half more…. lets try and fill it up completely, rather than considering it half empty and looking at ways to empty the half out

    Talat great relief effortsRecommend

  • Faraz Qureshi
    Sep 7, 2010 - 1:08PM

    So what should people do when there is no ray of hope and problems are increasing day by day. We dont find any single political or religious party to join which is sincere to tackle this situation. We are working individually with honesty in our domain and paying full taxes and also participation in social activities for disasters but no hope for Pakistan now. I think KKK is also reflecting the national disappointment and to get passport is the most easy way out for now…..Recommend

  • salman
    Sep 7, 2010 - 4:01PM

    Can the wrongs of others exonerate us?. How long we would find and hide ourself behind the sins of greater (found) sinner??? Recommend

  • Sarah Abidi
    Sep 8, 2010 - 8:52AM

    The literate people of this country need to move from thinking in ideologues and meta narratives about good and evil, to making mature logical evaluations of the issues at hand. Dabbing the nation with a broad brush of failure was a surprisingly shortsighted move, on the part of a man who we all once thought was a genius in his trade. Self-respect, not self-deprecation, is the first step in moving forward. What we witnessed was an excercise in anthropology with its sweeping cultural generalizations from a sample of less than 2 – a construct of the colonial mindset for the lesser nations of the world Our literati need to move past that self-deprecating attitude that our colonial masters instilled in us, and stand up for themselves and their nation.

    Kudos to Talat Hussain for a rebuttal well-crafted.Recommend

  • Momin
    Sep 8, 2010 - 12:08PM

    hahahhaah it is ridiculous that you even compare your self with civilised world, people there have everything that you can only wish for … police in most countries will arrest you on assault charges for even hitting someone once.. leave alone battering someone to death in their presence.
    People tend to blame all the ills on government and politicians but I don’t think that is true. I, an ordinary citizen, like most of you are to blame like anyone else.
    I surely have broken the law and gotten away with it and I am sure most of you have done so, you want to admit or not is another question.
    I have lived in this country for long enough and amongst the most richest and educated of you and I have say that there is very little difference these people with ‘haves’ make in comparison to ‘have nots’.
    Amongst are numerous ills is lack of tendency of proper critical self evaluation !!!! Recommend

  • Truthful Mole
    Sep 8, 2010 - 4:00PM

    Sir, your patriotism must be saluted, however unless we don’t criticize ourselves as a nation/country/ people, and analyse our positive and negative attributes we won’t be able to understand where and how this country went wrong. The mass populace has been cheated badly by its leaders for decades; we have a bubbling mass of humanity, with no education or skills which can sink us faster than a raging flood. For this we have no one to blame but ourselves; corrupt leadership has eaten the basic rights of its poorest citizens. We have failed them and created failed human beings with not much to live for except abject poverty.
    I do agree when you say that even the most civilized societies can beget blood-thirsty beasts who prey upon the weak! Well, that is human nature! How do the weak strengthen themselves and drive the beast out! Lets look towards soloutions, and getting rid of the beast, rather than ranting against each other! I’m sure we are capable of positive thinking rather than this incredibly simplistic blame game.Recommend

  • sarah
    Sep 11, 2010 - 8:32PM

    thumbs up!
    Have been wanting to hear this for such a long time now.
    I completely agree to what you have written. It feels like as if we as a nation have jumped into this ditch of self loath and depression and there is an organized effort by an entire group of so called intellectuals who are fueling the file, reminding us constantly that we are worst than anyone alive in the world and we truly deserve to die.
    I suggest any one saying Pakistan is a failed country or that we are hopeless creatures who do not deserve to live as a nation should get another passport and quit this place. We are already overly populated and cannot take the burden of guilt adding hate inciting individuals.Recommend

  • JA
    Sep 14, 2010 - 7:30AM

    “Get another passport” is a childish argument at best, and boorish at worst. It’s like like if you see something sticking to my face and point it out, I, instead of wiping my face, turn around and tell you: Go, get yourself a decent haircut.

    I hope you get the point, Mr. Talat Hussain.Recommend

  • Oct 31, 2010 - 10:01AM

    All colonialists were master killers. The British took the cake in managing meticulous elimination in the lands they occupied for gold, slaves and the glory of the crown.

    It’s not just the Brits. We were strange bedfellows with another colonial master — the US. We are going to be in bed with the Chinese (if not already) — the colonial masters of the 21st century.

    We learn from history that we don’t learn anything from history!Recommend

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