PTI puts Google on notice for not removing anti-Islam film

Published: September 23, 2012
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PTI says it reserves right to initiate legal action against Google in accordance with law. PHOTO: FILE

PTI says it reserves right to initiate legal action against Google in accordance with law. PHOTO: FILE

The Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) has put Google Inc. and its subsidiary YouTube on notice for not removing the blasphemous film, a statement issued by the party said on Sunday.

The announcement was made by PTI’s Secretary General Dr Arif Alvi after Google’s statement was published in New York Times saying that the film would stay on YouTube as it did not violate its policies describing hate speech.

The PTI demanded immediate removal of the video from YouTube and also asked the video sharing website to avoid such a repetition in future.

The statement said:

The party has put Google Inc. on notice and reserves the right to initiate legal action against the company in accordance with law in each and every jurisdiction where Google has a physical and/or virtual presence and where it can be deemed to have indulged in, abetted, provoked or incited any wrongdoing, including but not limited to causation of loss to life and property.

The PTI demanded Google to review its policy otherwise “more criminals and crackpots would create such videos and find YouTube a safe platform to promote hate.”

Alvi said that even after millions have protested in the Muslim world including Pakistan and with so many deaths and billions in losses to property and production, it was shameful that Google still considered that the video does not violate its policy of hate speech.

He further said that, in contrast, the company removed 10 films and 1700 video clips on Holocaust denial earlier this year.

The PTI secretary general said that with the threats of positioning US marines in many countries to protect US citizens, such incidents have the potential of rousing international conflicts. He added that Article 19 and 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) is explicit in defining freedom of speech with respect to the rights of others and also limited by issues that create public disorder.

He said that although the ‘hate bullet’ was prepared by a criminal residing in the US, the gun to fire the ‘hate bullet’ has been provided by YouTube as a Google-owned website and controlled affiliate.

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Reader Comments (71)

  • Sep 23, 2012 - 5:54PM

    Lol…joke of the century. Is PTI part of the govt that they put an independent commercial entity like google on notice? This is job of PEMRA and Pak govt to do so.Recommend

  • Khurram Malik
    Sep 23, 2012 - 5:57PM

    Already we are a laughing stock to the whole world in the past days and now this. I was not expecting this Stupidity from PTI. Kindly it is my Request to Islaami Thaikaidaar Pakistan to stop this mess you are creating. PTI is now showing its true colors that give PTI the power and they will be the new face of Right Wing Party ready to use Religion when Necessary and that is pretty dangerous trend. .We should kept in mind that Pakistanis are the biggest uploaders of Hatred videos against Shias, Ahmedis and Hindus and why not start charity from our own home and ask Youtube to remove the videos of our Majority against Minorities.Recommend

  • dumbstep
    Sep 23, 2012 - 6:03PM

    While you are at it, ask Google to remove the video of Tyrian Khan as well.

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  • pktopk
    Sep 23, 2012 - 6:06PM

    How about putting Google on notice for videos showing the beheading of Pakistani soldiers by PTI’s friends namely the TTP? Or it is “Amereeca kee jang”??

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  • Dr.X
    Sep 23, 2012 - 6:15PM

    I expected PTI to react more responsibly

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  • Malik Sultan
    Sep 23, 2012 - 6:25PM

    Great initiative by PTI because puppet Pakistani govt is not doing it.There is a will there is a way.

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  • Mard-e-Haq
    Sep 23, 2012 - 6:25PM

    This made my jaws drop. The PTI is trying to overturn the 1st Amendment of the United States? What a laugh!!! Kaaptan Khan is getting more delusional by the day.

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  • Usman Khan
    Sep 23, 2012 - 6:33PM

    Another cheap way of political point scoring…

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  • concerned citizen
    Sep 23, 2012 - 6:33PM

    first sensible step by anyone really.Recommend

  • imran
    Sep 23, 2012 - 6:35PM

    weldone PTI. u truly represent muslims of the world. we all know u can defend us in the best possible way. Thanks PTI

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  • raza
    Sep 23, 2012 - 6:37PM

    @Mard-e-Haq

    Its not overturning the amendment of US they can keep it in US but block in other countries or remove it from other countries. Google has done that before for China and has blocked the same video in other countries. So plz think.

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  • Muhammad
    Sep 23, 2012 - 6:38PM

    Stupidity has no limits

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  • asad
    Sep 23, 2012 - 6:39PM

    are you kidding me!??

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  • Naeem
    Sep 23, 2012 - 6:40PM

    Very good point raised regarding the threat to US citizens in the notice! Pakistan Govt should take the ownership of this notice!Recommend

  • Ishaq Khan
    Sep 23, 2012 - 6:51PM

    Cheap PoliticsRecommend

  • Ch. Allah Daad
    Sep 23, 2012 - 6:51PM

    First, PTI should tell Google about itself by ordinary mail because this party is not in their data base.

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  • Hassan N Khan
    Sep 23, 2012 - 6:51PM

    For us, someone who is willing to step forward and help is much more courageous than someone who is merely fulfilling the role.Recommend

  • Bhatti
    Sep 23, 2012 - 6:57PM

    PTI Rocks!! My Vote is for PTI!

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  • Irfan
    Sep 23, 2012 - 6:58PM

    PTI must be appreciated for their efforts, as we know Imran Khan is the first Pakistani leader, who participated in the protest, instead of staying at home like Nawaz Sharif, Maulana Fazul-rehman etc. Had these political and religious leaders played their due role, the angry protesters would not have been crossed the line on protest day.

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  • Zoaib
    Sep 23, 2012 - 7:05PM

    @Mard-e-Haq, what about the denial of holocaust movies, why were they taken down? Was that not against the First Amendment as well?

    “He further said that, in contrast, the company removed 10 films and 1700 video clips on Holocaust denial earlier this year.”Recommend

  • ibrahim hashmi
    Sep 23, 2012 - 7:12PM

    Well done Imran.You are blowing the senses of rivals!

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  • Sep 23, 2012 - 7:17PM

    Only PTI is a party which can react like that, Even Jamat e Islami didn’t think on this issue. And expecting some good from other parties of Pakistani & current govt is just useless.

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  • Bhatti
    Sep 23, 2012 - 7:22PM

    The most sensible reaction I have seen till now! Good going PTI! the criticisers of PTI have lost all sense and logic and don’t even know what they are criticising about! U ppl are the real enemies of Pakistan!
    In RUSSIA People make fun of PAKISTANIS!!
    And U know why?? Bcz they think we are a NATION, who’s people would try everything to Stop & Criticise a Person who is on a road to success and to bring him back where he was before.
    It was just a Saying but not completely out of context!
    I pray to Allah that we get back on the Right Track!

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  • mindless
    Sep 23, 2012 - 7:25PM

    Under international jurisdiction what actions PTI will take, will have far reaching impact on Google globally. Those Bigots who are laughing at PTI should read the privacy policy of Google. Just a mere member of PTI living in US or Europe let say for start can take injunction against search results on Google and You tube. For this i present the case of Japanese Business man who’s name appeared with criminals and he recently won the damages for wrong search results and the impact which it caused to his personnel life and so on.

    Though one can say the Google is registered in US so why they cared about Japanese court ruling so guys go back and Read Al Khwarizmi Algorithm (gr8 Muslim scientist Abū ʿAbdallāh Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī) you should learn that these algorithm runs Google Inc to block one geographical area Google has to change tremendously the Algorithms, and in doing so will end up completely removing the whole search result as that is more easy for them. Also i will mention a case related to fraud by a UK based company which ran away with million of pounds of Pakistan based company. All what clever Manager of Pakistani company did, went to UK walked to lawyer office, filed a case of fraud and got his money back in 3 months. Now please learn how the world law works around it, Based on Extradition treaty 1935 between Then British India and US, Pakistan inherited such treaty and is part of 73 constitution, so if one of you files a case in High court, and high court summons Google CEO, the treaty between US and Pakistan Kicks in, State Department of US is obliged to produce Google CEO or carry out the court orders.

    By the way these are same muslims scientist algorithms which are used in super high volume trading in US and Europe, future’s contract trading and so on. If PTI is standing up to do so we should support them, at last we as muslims have lost our fortune of knowledge to these Gora’s.

    Nice work PTI, you have the sense to ensure our mutual respect.

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  • hamza
    Sep 23, 2012 - 7:29PM

    i do not understand what is real problem with ET and some people.what is wrong with this statment. . . why are some people showing anger

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  • Abrar R
    Sep 23, 2012 - 7:36PM

    Very nice .. legal action should be taken against google and youtube. They’re not “gods” and are answerable.

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  • ATEEQ KHAN
    Sep 23, 2012 - 7:49PM

    excellent move…PTI ZINDABAD!!

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  • Waqas ur Rahman
    Sep 23, 2012 - 7:59PM

    Great Decision by PTI. Now they should follow it. The solution to this issue is not religious. Rather political. Good step.Recommend

  • Cautious
    Sep 23, 2012 - 8:08PM

    A cheap political stunt which unfortunately seems to work in Pakistan. For those witless people who think this threat has substance let me remind you that Google turned down a request from the President of the USA and won’t give a hoot about a threat from a Pakistani politician. Issue hasn’t changed a lick — if you don’t like Google or Utube then don’t use it – no one forces you to use those services.

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  • antanu g
    Sep 23, 2012 - 8:09PM

    its a saner reaction…instead of violent protests and destruction of lives and prperty taking legal route is sensible and must be supported by all irrespective of their political alliances

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  • Chuck Trust
    Sep 23, 2012 - 8:18PM

    Or the whole Muslim world could grow up and join the rest of us in the 21st century. Rioting and killing over a badly made 13 minute video or a cartoon is pathetic.

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  • Zigbal
    Sep 23, 2012 - 8:23PM

    People who have been offended by this movie have every right to protest and use court of law. People who are not they can continue to live their lives as normal. No one has any right over the other and there is no obligation. Its ironic that we consider west as educated and civilized, yet they are insensitive towards this issue and keep defaming muslims and defending themselves. I am wondering what have actually muslims done to them for all this hate. Has any muslim country attacked any western country in the last century, none. Then why do they hate us so much and make fun of us. Please tell me.

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  • Najeebullah
    Sep 23, 2012 - 8:24PM

    Now I am confused what is the difference between PTI and TTP. both are extremists and work for the protection of strategic assets (Taliban, al-Qaeda and haqqani network).

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  • Logic Europe
    Sep 23, 2012 - 8:40PM

    The people that love prophet pbuh ,are quiet. no processions no threats ,no watching this film no comments ,

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  • rassan khan
    Sep 23, 2012 - 8:42PM

    i think that those who are making joke of this initiative should look into their own collar,that what they want to show,like they say that its a joke,when you are fighting your case in peaceful and thru dialague,and in other case when you are protesting in manner in which we saw on YAUM ISHQI RASOOL S.A.W.W,then also are you people on fore front who like the west say that you are non civilized,so my question from those who have on objection on pti,do you know better way what to follow as to come to a better solution.

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  • S
    Sep 23, 2012 - 8:48PM

    totally support PTI on this, legal action should be taken if google doesn’t comply.

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  • toor
    Sep 23, 2012 - 8:50PM

    that’s the way to go!

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  • naeem khan Manahttan,Ks
    Sep 23, 2012 - 8:50PM

    @Khurram Malik: Just read the whole statement carefully and you will find it very relevant, I have life long conviction for freedom of speech but one can not call “fire” in a crowded movie theater or any gatherings because it is not free speech but looks as it is. This films was made deliberately with malicious intent to spread hate, it is the responsibility of a corporation to curtail it because it impinges on the rights of others. They won’t allow anything against Jewish Holocaust and rightly so but they should also respect the rights of billions of Muslims around the world. Pakistan is becoming a the laughing stock of the world not because of the proposed law suit by PTI but the rampage that went on killing and destroying the country because of this convicted criminal in California bated the Pakistanis and they fall for it. The enemies of Pakistan are laughing and taking lots of solace for the stupidity of these people and even the minister of this outfit in Islamabad.

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  • mir
    Sep 23, 2012 - 8:58PM

    Can’t understand why people are feeling such a heart burn on PTI’s step. There is no hatred against anyone and no violence at all. What is insane, stupidity and cheap in it? Representing and amplifying people voices is not the right but the basic duty of people’s representative.

    Great step PTI

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  • HY
    Sep 23, 2012 - 9:14PM

    A good move. If video against Holocaust can be removed then why not the video against Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). As a party of representing Pakistani People PTI has every right to demand this on behalf of their millions of supporters.

    Appreciate this step by PTI.

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  • Saleem
    Sep 23, 2012 - 9:16PM

    Such non sense expected from tsunami khan party. What a bunch of jokers.

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  • Dr.A.K.Tewari
    Sep 23, 2012 - 9:21PM

    SC of Pakistan will only admit this case and no where in the world , Try…..

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  • Saad Qureshi
    Sep 23, 2012 - 9:22PM

    GR888 Imran Khan GR888 PTIRecommend

  • PakArmySoldier
    Sep 23, 2012 - 9:25PM

    Don’t like Google? Don’t use it! PTI is protesting what Taliban would protest without guns.

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  • Sep 23, 2012 - 9:45PM

    @Malik Sultan:
    why are you saying so ? they declared Friday a holiday and Ishq-e Rasool day. The PM has demanded UN to declare Blasphemy as international crime.. Don’t you think it enough or looking for another similar day as Life sacrifice for Rasool day.

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  • naeem khan Manhattan,Ks
    Sep 23, 2012 - 9:55PM

    @mindless:
    Thank you for your research and information.

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  • Dr. A.K.Tewari
    Sep 23, 2012 - 9:58PM

    PTI supporters of India can’r dare to protest on street . Now they are protesting from iinside the mosque and maderssas .

    Hindu should take notice of it .

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  • DarKnight
    Sep 23, 2012 - 10:05PM

    The only option to stop Google from airing its anti-Islamic video is to convert Google and Youtube to Islam…..

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  • Ch. Alah Daad
    Sep 23, 2012 - 10:06PM

    PTI has a history of making these statements and then backing off. Can PTI tell us in which court its fighting against MQM, PML(N) and others. Nobody believes anymore in PTI’s claims.

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  • Abdullah
    Sep 23, 2012 - 10:55PM

    @Mard-e-Haq: taking notice of double standards of google isnt equal to overturning first ammendment of US..

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  • Abdullah
    Sep 23, 2012 - 10:58PM

    So sad at few comments for whom this video against Prophet (PBUH) is a non issue and they dont want anybody to raise voice against it even peacefully…Whts the difference between you people and those Mullahs you people keep bashing upon??

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  • arcane
    Sep 23, 2012 - 11:05PM

    The statement said:

    “The party has put Google Inc. on notice and reserves the right to initiate legal action against the company in accordance with law in each and every jurisdiction where Google has a physical and/or virtual presence and where it can be deemed to have indulged in, abetted, provoked or incited any wrongdoing, including but not limited to causation of loss to life and property.”

    And what about the life and property of your fellow Pakistanis and more importantly Muslims?
    more than 20 killed, many injured, 76bn in property loss, who is going to pay for that you dolt.

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  • Zeeshan
    Sep 23, 2012 - 11:18PM

    A bold step by PTI. At least it claimed to take such a step unlike other parties including Government of Pakistan who remained speechless. Looking forward for implementation.

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  • Sep 24, 2012 - 12:23AM

    Could you please have a link to PTI’s statement? Is this the letter from Arif Alvi to Eric Schmidt you’re referring to?

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  • Sharmahir
    Sep 24, 2012 - 12:24AM

    It is true what he said. Google promptly removes all videos which stir hatred of this type against Jews especially when it comes to holocaust denial. Google et all are hypocrites.

    The wanna-be westerners supporting the “first amendment” and “freedom of speech” will unfortunately not get a U.S. visa even after doing this. Tough luck, I guess.

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  • Jat
    Sep 24, 2012 - 3:11AM

    @Najeebullah: The relationship between TTP and PTI is the same as it is between IRA and Sinn Fein in Northern Ireland. PTI is just the political face of TTP and Taliban.

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  • Zain Ali
    Sep 24, 2012 - 3:28AM

    Im, kinda shocked to read some of the comments. Even our govt. has an ISSUE with youtube, hence the blocking of it. Taking to court is something what our govt. should’ve done. You force them to change their laws and solve alot of the issue because youtube IS something ‘worldwide’. Appreciate the decision whoever took it be it PTI, PMLN whatever (because you cant really expect anything from this so called govt. now). Whats left to see now is whether they DO actually take them to court or is it just one of those things.

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  • R2D2
    Sep 24, 2012 - 3:43AM

    as usual typical simpletons coming up with simpleton arguments. I dont think pti people can even understand that it is the freedom of speech that allows muslims to not only live freely in the US but to be able to preach Islam, if christians had started to say that they are engaging in blasphemy by calling Christ as prophet rather than Son of God than just imagine what could have they done in the US? I just wish that Muslims grow up, I know it is the youngest of the three big religions but its about time to grow up and react more maturely when some one insults them. Mature people do no react the way Muslims react. Instead of bragging about we being emotional or having high temperature of love with your prophet, you should start recognizing this that this is not something to be proud of or to be praised on. When someone like bilour gives the reasons why he declared the 100000 bounty he should be ridiculed and sent to a mental institution on live TV so that people can stop idolizing immature behaviors!

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  • Mard-e-Haq
    Sep 24, 2012 - 4:01AM

    Guys,

    If PTI thinks it can force Google into a corner via legal means and impact the 1st Amendment of the United States, it must be the most delusional party in Pakistan, and its followers equally delusional. There are many videos and anti-semitic hate speeches uploaded onto youtube in the United States by the week. This may be illegal in Germany because of its Nazi past but it is pretty much legal elsewhere. In any case, there are calls to kills Jews and Christians by Islamic clerics in the Gulf countries, and which, are uploaded on youtube.

    All in all, I didn’t see the killing of fellow Muslims on Ishq-e-Rasool day as a sign of piousness. Rather it was an opportunity for looting, arson and rioting. Unfortunately, Kaaptan Khan is worshiped like a saviour in Pakistan.

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  • Tariq
    Sep 24, 2012 - 4:07AM

    Another Notice from Pakistan

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  • Imran Con
    Sep 24, 2012 - 4:42AM

    Even if, for the sake of argument, they are hypocrites. It’s still not illegal to be a hypocrite. If it’s not illegal, they’re not obligated to change a thing. You can lose respect and shun a hypocrite. But, that’s it as far as laws and rules of business are concerned.

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  • Neeraj Vilash
    Sep 24, 2012 - 5:52AM

    When/If Imraan Khan comes to power he should have Google banned in Pakistan
    and much good it will to everyone.

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  • Umer
    Sep 24, 2012 - 9:23AM

    @all
    If u can not understand the depth people have for our beloved prophet pbuh, then please dont comment here. Removal of such hate films is the fastest and the most correct way to put this riots off.
    Great move by PTI. A true representative of Youth in Pakistan.

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  • Ziaahmad
    Sep 24, 2012 - 12:12PM

    It seems some people here dont like the step taken by PTI
    May be they want what we saw on friday.

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  • Kami
    Sep 24, 2012 - 12:32PM

    I dont think this will get anywhere, and it is a good way for PTI to do drama in front of the public.

    But, then I look at it another way, this action is so much better than bilours bounty, rajas vague call for a new international law and the protesters actions on a day of love and reverence.

    So well done PTI, although this movie is very diffferent from holocaust denial and glorification laws. Those laws are more akin to hate speech and incitement to violence laws. While the movie in question is pathetic, it cannot qualify as one that incites people.

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  • Kamran
    Sep 24, 2012 - 4:51PM

    Pakistan Govt is failed BUT not the PEOPLE of Pakistan. Well done PTI !!!

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  • Murad Alam
    Sep 24, 2012 - 6:00PM

    We must worry about future of some grand heritage churches of Pakistan. If hateful people make insane movies and half crazy youtube staff won.t take them down then one day we can lose those cathedrals and gothic buildings and it will be an unrecoverable loss. No government can control angry mobs joined by looters and gangsters.

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  • Waqas Ahmed
    Sep 25, 2012 - 12:48AM

    Take them to court, that’s the only option left now.

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  • gp65
    Sep 25, 2012 - 1:42AM

    Some observations:
    1. After May 2007, PTI had promised action in London against MQM. Status – zilch.
    2. More recently PTI promised action against Sharif family from a money laundering perspective in London courts. Status : zilch
    3. Now they promise legal action against youtube. Likely status? you guessed it.
    4. Stoking anti-Americanism whether on the drones issue or this issue is a successful political gimmick but if and when Khan comes to power, it will cost him dearly by narrowing his foreign policy options seriouslysignificantly.

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  • Shahid Shah
    Sep 25, 2012 - 3:07AM

    PTI stand for openness and liberty but it shouldn’t mean hurting masses and create hatred. We don’t curse people on street because it hurts. I think emotional torture is recognized fact and everyone should respect PTI for having a principle stand. Way to go PTI

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  • waqas ahmad
    Sep 26, 2012 - 2:11AM

    pti your talk very well this the stand up

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