The liberal lynch mob

Published: August 28, 2010
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The writer is a barrister and a public policy graduate from Harvard University 
mahreen.khan@tribune.com.pk

The writer is a barrister and a public policy graduate from Harvard University mahreen.khan@tribune.com.pk

This past week has seen columns, in these very pages, promoting a new brand of hatred – self-hatred – inciting loathing amongst Pakistanis for themselves and their culture. Using the horrific Sialkot killings, these “western, liberal” columnists have labelled all Pakistanis as “degenerates” and “barbaric”, hurling abusive and shameful generalisations to justify a verbal lynching of Pakistan, its culture and people.

The thrust of one column was as follows: the Sialkot murders mean that ALL Pakistanis should now view themselves as “human cockroaches” that should be “quarantined” from the rest of the world. So what should the wretched Rwandans call themselves? They wiped out half of their population in a killing spree. Is quarantine enough or should they be culled to prevent them exporting their genocidal tendencies? A liberal fatwa is issued: due to the Sialkot atrocity all Pakistanis are now “undeserving of sympathy”. Not even the ones stranded in swirling waters, bereft of food and shelter, not the millions of hardworking labourers, drivers, and builders who toil in foreign lands to support families back home, not even the ones who have been maimed by terrorists, none of them.

The article “Don’t act surprised” penned by an Englishman resident here for a few years is full of gross generalisations, defective reasoning and inflammatory one-liners: “We (sic) are, and have always been, a barbaric, degenerate nation revelling in bloodlust (sic).” Firstly, his arrogance in speaking for all Pakistanis, particularly to emit such defamatory and prejudiced words, is nauseating. Next, the claim that the horrific violence during Partition was “revelled in” and gave “heady, almost orgasmic delight” is a blatant perversion of history. Muslims were more the victims of communal violence, as documented by various noted historians who also describe the role of the departing British colonisers as culpable.

This “bloody” Partition is used by George Fulton to conclude that Pakistan has always been a “barbaric and degenerate nation”. An intellectually feeble extrapolation, as most nations are born out of violence or war. Israel, in 1948, was born out of  the terrorisation and forced displacement of Palestinians — tales of which are regaled with much pride to this day by Zionists, their chief leaders even going on to become Israeli prime ministers. Does Mr Fulton think that “Israel is a barbaric and degenerate nation revelling in bloodlust”?

He goes on to state that the Sialkot lynchings are typical of Punjabi culture because Maula Jutt movies prove Punjabis are a bloodthirsty, vengeful lot. So the popularity of gore fests like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre prove that Americans, who also spend hours playing violent video games killing, maiming and torturing for entertainment and relaxation, obviously “celebrate barbarity and vengeance” as per the writer. Attributing the propensity for violence to a specific culture or race is the bigoted reasoning of a racist. Africans were also called “degenerates”, “uncivilised barbarians” who deserved to be enslaved due to their “savage” ways.

These columnists would not dare to write in such sadistic terms about western cultures. No, they only prey on weak – pure lynch mob mentality – developing nations like Pakistan, battered by natural catastrophe, war and poverty. The reality is that Pakistanis are inherently no better and no worse than any other people. The best amongst us lay down our lives to rescue those in need, open our homes and hearts to complete strangers, protest peacefully for justice. The worst amongst us are as brutal as the mobs which massacred women and children in the streets of Gujarat, with the Indian police looking on, harbour as much bigotry as the preachers of hate, whether they be Christian, Hindu, or Muslim. When the rule of law is eroded, men, irrespective of race, turn into an unruly mob – as evidenced by numerous studies and the good citizens of New Orleans who looted and rampaged in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina – police officers turn into executioners and ordinary people into accomplices. Pakistanis will and must maintain pressure to obtain justice in Sialkot. They will do so not out of self-loathing or in response to the verbal lynching liberals, but because they believe it is the right thing to do.

Published in The Express Tribune, August 28th, 2010.

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Reader Comments (258)

  • Qirat
    Aug 28, 2010 - 1:30AM

    Pakistanis in general are peaceful and religious, but have been taken for a ride by their arrogant and ignorant clerics. The clerics who were against the creation of Pakistan, who refuse to condemn suicide bombing and who label a section of peaceful law-abiding citizens as wajib-ul-qatal.Recommend

  • abdul
    Aug 28, 2010 - 1:34AM

    young girl you are only trying to defend us again,we dont need it anymore we are so wicked and so bad we need change of our mindset.start preaching love,not carrying God in mouth and evil ion heart.dnt blame the english man for speaking the truth.lack of truth is our greatest problem in our society we never stand up for truth.but always trying to compare evil.
    is high time we should start emulating good not evil.the west or any other country is far better than us in pursueing love and peace.Recommend

  • Dr.Shimail Daud
    Aug 28, 2010 - 1:49AM

    I agree to what you have said. Perhaps a lot of us got too depressed. Fact of the matter is that what happened in sialkot happens almost frequently but it is not captured live. We hear about it and it diminishes away in the evening news or ticker. But this time the tragedy unfolded in such a live fashion that the whole nation was horrified and i think much of it depressed. Its mostly anger and frustration i guess on part of the ones that can express that has resulted in such generalizations.

    We a majority have lost hopes from our leaders and have kept positivity and hope from our people but such incidents have shaken the most positive amongst us in our boots. Its like losing trust in humanity.

    Having said that I understand your side and respect it and welcome it. Thanks for jolting some of us who were passing over to the other side!Recommend

  • Usama
    Aug 28, 2010 - 1:52AM

    Awesome piece of writing!!! Maza hee aa gaya parh kar!!! Recommend

  • F. Alam
    Aug 28, 2010 - 2:00AM

    Fully agree with the author. Well done!

    Barbaric incident of Sialkot have been given so much exposure that the nation has been immunised. If it happens again and brutality is a little bit less, no one will notice.Recommend

  • Syed A. Mateen
    Aug 28, 2010 - 2:02AM

    Mahreen – Free press allow people to express their sentiments as they feel. Every single person has a different vision about the world. Neither you can stop people from talking, nor you can stop people from writing.

    Replies received on an artile or news is every ones “Have Your Say”.

    My concern is that why such things happen in Pakistan which makes people to think and express their views in a negative manner.

    Negative acts will be taken as negative and positive acts will be taken as positive steps.

    You can stop a person’s hand from beating another person, but you cannot stop people’s talking on the streets and writing articles in the newspapers and on the blogs about the negative things happening around us day and night.Recommend

  • Asad Baig
    Aug 28, 2010 - 2:05AM

    Wonderfully written.The writer very rightly elucidates each point in the article. Recommend

  • Ayesha Ijaz Khan
    Aug 28, 2010 - 2:13AM

    Well-written and good rational come-back to Mr. Fulton and Mr. Zaka’s gross over-generalisations. Couldn’t agree more!Recommend

  • Aug 28, 2010 - 2:14AM

    Thank you Mahreen for responding to the vitriol from these columnists. What really saddened me was how many of the youthful readers of the Tribune applauded this self-hatred. Having lived in the West, I have seen numerous dreadful episodes of violence and hate crimes but it never leads to the kind of self-loathing that many of Pakistan’s elite indulge in. No wonder the English press gets ostracized by many and the Urdu press gets more radicalized. I was going to write my next column in this vein but you have said what i intended to say far more eloquently.Recommend

  • rehan
    Aug 28, 2010 - 2:30AM

    Though one of my favourite columnists,but George overstepped not a bit but quite a lot this time.Mahreen,he deserved your counter attack.Well done.Recommend

  • Aug 28, 2010 - 2:34AM

    Let’s accept the fact that by and large we are a ‘Jaahil Qaum’.

    It would be unfair to blame that English man, he wrote what he has experienced and majority of Pakistanis have endorsed his views. Its a matter of collective shame for Pakistanis but we haven’t stopped yet. Even today a man stoned to death in Shujabad. What did we learn from the Sialkot tragedy ?

    The so called Khadim e Aala of Punjab who should have rushed to victim’s parents place right after the incident invited the family to Khwaja Asif’s home and “ordained” condolence to them and that too after 8 days of the incident.

    This shows their priorities towards “Humanity”, let alone Governance — but I am sure they will elect the same people again.

    So the fault lies within ourselves.Recommend

  • Hasan
    Aug 28, 2010 - 2:37AM

    Mahreen, America is much more than Texas Chainsaw Massacre. They send millions in aid when you need it, you take education in their brilliant Harvard, they give you complete freedom of religion when you are in their country and prosecute anyone who tries to bar you from your rights.

    What you don’t realise, despite being a Harvard graduate, is that for every evil in US and west you can count fifty good things there too. Not so in the land of Maula Jatt Punjab, who when not burning Christians alive are denying them flood relief, even when a lot of Christians all over the world are contributing millions of dollars to Pakistan flood relief as we speak. Where is the good in Punjab?

    Fulton knows what he’s talking about whereas you don’t.Recommend

  • F. Alam
    Aug 28, 2010 - 2:54AM

    @ Hassan
    That’s what the writer is trying to say. America is much more than Texas Chain … and so are we. She used that as comparison with Maula Jutt analogy of George. Recommend

  • Hasan
    Aug 28, 2010 - 3:02AM

    @F. Alam:

    West is much more but we are not. Where are the examples to the contrary? Even when ordinary westerners many of whom are Christians are helping in millions the nation that loathes them, we are barring the same aid from our Pakistani Christians. Where is the public outrage on this from the “good guys” like Mahreen? We are cockroaches indeed as Fasi has aptly put it. The only good things in us are in our talk of which there is a lot.Recommend

  • F. Alam
    Aug 28, 2010 - 3:03AM

    In defense of Fasi Zaka & George Fulton: they were shocked, angry and frustrated like any other Pakistani. They didn’t mean all that. Recommend

  • R. Quereishi
    Aug 28, 2010 - 3:07AM

    In every post, there is a guy trying to spread rumours about Christian denied aid. There was one report about Ahmedis and even that didn’t mention any cogent facts.

    I am not saying that this doesn’t happen. I remember Al Jazeera documentary about this problem in India. So far, International media hasn’t reported any such thing. Even the aid is being distributed by Western charities themselves.
    Here is report about India. Did Indians say that they don’t have right to exist?
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/02/india.naturaldisastersRecommend

  • R. Quereishi
    Aug 28, 2010 - 3:10AM

    Injustice can happen anywhere and is not exclusive to Pakistan (no evidence to prove yet about aid being denied). Look at these examples:

    India’s untouchables being denied flood relief, say aid agencies
    Relief supplies in Bihar are going to the highest castes first, ignoring plight of the most desperate, according to reports
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/02/india.naturaldisasters

    INDIA: Flood victims face caste discrimination
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7610999.stmRecommend

  • Munazza
    Aug 28, 2010 - 3:24AM

    well mahreen I agree to what you have said… ive read those fulton and zaka articles and they forge nothing but despair, some facts they mentioned may be true in their essence but you know what is healthy criticism, it was not that and their full of despair utterings were not helping anyone or getting us out of this system anyway! If they are so great a Pakistanis why dunt I see them working on some movement on small scale, why do they want us who are still working on a hope to loathe ourselves and get depressed! why do they wish to make us believe we can never be better if they themselves are so weak that they have given in despite the positions they hold in civil society! it is their own weakness, and if they are ashamed of themselves as Pakistani they should be, because they are to weak to help this nation, and it is because of people such as these we are suffering now, very keen pessimists who hide their inability to help make a change by fostering despair! after-all it is easy to criticize a system, but it is very difficult and needs real effort to change it! Recommend

  • ArifQ
    Aug 28, 2010 - 3:46AM

    Dear Barrister Sahiba
    People of Pakistan have been brutalized for the last eight years with suicide bombings, video taped beheadings, target killings and now this inhuman killing of two teenagers. Madam, normal people feel disgusted by this abhorrent acts of violence, this is called empathy and can be expressed in words. Instead of attacking these conscientious objectors you should be condemning the cockroaches of our society that have inflicted unbearable pain on their victims and the general populace. Hiding behind generalizations and labeling people will not help nor will they stop the barbarians knocking on our doors. People of Pakistan deserve better Madam, they deserve the truth, no more lies please. Recommend

  • Parvez
    Aug 28, 2010 - 4:33AM

    Mahreen, Liberals want to have all the goodies and also right to demonize uneducated masses.Recommend

  • ADIL
    Aug 28, 2010 - 5:02AM

    if we’re as good as other nations, why are we facing this collapse of society, that other nations dont?Recommend

  • mujtaba haydar
    Aug 28, 2010 - 5:15AM

    Now Ms Mahreen Khan, I think you don’t realise that this is the first time your country has ever been able to view a real example of the sort of acts this wanton and barbaric society revels in on a widespread scale. There is no point grovelling over how Mr George Fulton described the events, as every sane Pakistani has condemned the act and are openly declaring their shame of being a Pakistani. How can anyone, after seeing such a ghastly event, stick up for their country or society?. Your article reeks in condescension towards a citizen of Pakistan who has every right to criticize it’s state of affairs, his words and those of Fasi Zaka, truly did speak of the predicament of these Muslims and their loss in humanity. Knowing how Mr George Fulton is a Pakistani, picking on his British roots just sounds foolish and utterly racist!.
    And these sudden calls of condemnation by the Mullahs and Politicians is nothing but an act of cajoling the media, as these same people are as worse as that accursed mob. The only real watershed of widespread condemnation has been from the young students from the cities and the old folk who have truly been affected by this sick event.
    Ms Khan has shown to be too over sensitive for Muslims, and the fact is that she has no room to defend the history of the Muslims of Pakistan, as their history in this part of the sub-continent is replete with a dark and savage history left, right and centre.Recommend

  • Abdul Basit
    Aug 28, 2010 - 6:16AM

    couldn’t agree more. thumbs up!Recommend

  • Aug 28, 2010 - 6:17AM

    Its time we stopped hiding away our bad points and made people aware – especially Pakistani people our problems so we can deal with them. Pakistan has a lot of potential and power and it has been squandered away by corrupt politicians and assorted mullahs…. Recommend

  • Adeel
    Aug 28, 2010 - 6:53AM

    thank you! brilliantly exposes the weak arguments and the hypocrisy of the so called liberals who sit in judgement on us. excellent article – thanks for articulating what so many of us were feeling when we read those 2 abusive rants. The truth is exactly as you say – good and bad. We should never accept this kind of abuse from anyone Recommend

  • Farhan
    Aug 28, 2010 - 6:54AM

    Bravo!Recommend

  • Awais Khan
    Aug 28, 2010 - 6:58AM

    @ArifQ – the gross generalisations were in George’s article not this one. No one is lying – but abuse and self hate is no answer to injustice – otherwise people will just be abusing each other all the time. abuse isn’t constructive. And the George and cockroach articles were just abuse.Recommend

  • Farooq
    Aug 28, 2010 - 7:07AM

    @Hasan – so anyone who studies at a US university can never ever point out anything about their society? Defeating your own argument for free speech!!! By the way – Harvard costs a lot – it’s not a favour they do people by “letting” them study there.

    George Fulton knows a few things which he tried to piece together in a highly irrational way. He also hasnt read his history books or maybe is too deceitful – as he totally ignored the brutal role of the British in partition. If partition made us brutal then the British are the mother of brutality. Look at their record – South Africa, Palestine, US civil war, northern ireland etc etc.

    @Hasan – you seem to have an inferiority complex with the west. Their negative stuff doesnt get as much press. I live in the west and have done for most of my life – their media is a lot more patriotic than ours and doesnt expose so much about their scoiety. So dont write unsubstantiated statements like ” there are 50n good things for every bad in the US” and come and ask how much freedom to practice we have – when our masjids are being attacked and graffitied.

    Article is an excellent well reasoned and classy response to a couple of liberals wanting to shock and create controversy.Recommend

  • imran
    Aug 28, 2010 - 7:34AM

    now THAT’S what i call a rebuttal! nice job, mahreenRecommend

  • Adeel
    Aug 28, 2010 - 7:45AM

    Excellent article – thank God someone is taking on this self important crowd always criticising and never supporting pakistanis. I am sick of the self hate nonsense. We have problems – but so does the rest of the world. Heaping abuse is no use. Get out and do something. Recommend

  • faraz
    Aug 28, 2010 - 7:57AM

    For 30 years we recruited civilians to wage proxy wars. Teenagers belonging to poor families faught in Afghanistan and Kashmir and all this happened with total support from the public. Doesnt this reflect the callousness of our society? Recommend

  • Rao Amjad Ali
    Aug 28, 2010 - 8:16AM

    Great piece! The wild swipes that columnists have taken to deride all Pakistanis is pathetic. I agree with Ms. Khan that like any other people, most Pakistanis are decent, in the main liberal and extremely hospitable. They certainly do not command a monopoly on mayhem and/or murder!

    While two wrongs don’t make a right, let us be reminded of the fact that the graveyards of America are littered with the corpses of black children, women and men who were lynched only because of the color of their skin. South Africa and the Indian sub-continent, two of the many colonised territories, have had their share of the cruelties that the British Imperial project had ruthlessly inflicted on them, lynching hundreds, if not thousands, only because they were non-whites and wanted their rights restored and their land returned.

    Let us also not forget that Pakistanis hosted some of the largest displaced populations in the history of the world when an estimated 3.2 million Afghanis crossed over into Pakistan in the aftermath of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan who later dispersed througout the country.

    Ours is also the land of Abdus Sattar Edhi, Ansar Burney and Imdad Khan, who having lost everything in the earthquake refused to take money for the food we ate at his dismembered restaurant in Bagh, AJK, during a disaster assessment visit that I undertook with three of my colleagues. One of whom broke down at the gesture, awe struck she stood in graceful silence paying homage to Mr. Khan’s moral courage and boundless hospitality.

    Interestingly, if Katrina brought about splintering of communities, the Pakistani earthquake had a diametrically opposite affect when communities came together, allowing for a relatively efficient mobilization and distribution of resources while spearheading a number of remarkably successful relief and rehabilitation programs.Recommend

  • Ghazanfar Mir
    Aug 28, 2010 - 8:30AM

    Just loved this piece of work and to be honest, she answered to articles mentioned in best possible way..

    I have been reading some articles here where some foreigner keeps humiliating Pakistanis for few unpleasant incidents witnessed in Pakistan, ignoring the major incidents occuring on daily basis in other parts of the world against MUSLIMS Minority.

    I just liked this piece.. and would encourage such people to write who still feel we are not as bad as been portrayed by our fellow country men.Recommend

  • Dia
    Aug 28, 2010 - 8:44AM

    Well written Mehreen.. the nation is in a state of shock and self loathing over such incidents is natural. What has added to the the element of loathing was the role of police and the indifference of the onlookers. Otherwise such crimes do happen in other parts of the world too… Yet we ought to be ashamed what we have become; this is certainly not the face of Quaid’s pakistan! Recommend

  • Aftab Kenneth Wilson
    Aug 28, 2010 - 9:01AM

    Oh Mahreen, why are we afraid to see ourselves in the “Mirror of International Community”??? Remember, If it is George ka Pakistan then he also has the right to say what he sees on the streets. Fusi is also correct. It is time to come out of our hidings and the “State Of Denial”. We are the worst when it comes to Human Rights Violations, Maiming the Minorities, a society with Intolerant Mindset” and as such morally bankrupt. We hear from every citizen that Muslman ye nhi kr sakta, Muslman woh nhi kr sakta then why are we all citizens in so much “Shock in English and Saqta in Urdu”.Recommend

  • Humanity
    Aug 28, 2010 - 9:03AM

    The need of the time, Madam Barrister, is to conquer self-approval by staring straight at what is unbearably painful.

    The highly publicized Sialkot case, and all unnoticed rapes of humanity, including the four hour long reality TV show of May 28 Ahmadiyya Muslim massacre cry out loud for courage for mental change as articulated in the NYT article: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/24/opinion/24brooks.html?_r=1

    I quote from the article: “We’re all less conscious of our severe mental shortcomings and less inclined to be skeptical of our own opinions. .. We have confirmation bias; we pick out evidence that supports our views. We are cognitive misers; we try to think as little as possible. We are herd thinkers and conform our perceptions to fit in with the group”.

    I also invite attention to comment #74 to the NYT article. May be it will force the lazy minds to think objectively before rendering a verdict.
    “1. review what was actually said as opposed to what we heard (or wanted to hear)
    2. research into the topic, look at what has been written or said
    3. reflect by taking time to let all these things settle and ‘cook slowly’ in our brain
    4. respond through thoughtful words and arguments.”

    Regards.Recommend

  • Ahmed
    Aug 28, 2010 - 9:19AM

    A feel-good article from Mahreen! Oooh, that felt so refreshing…

    Ok, now, lets get back to the real world. Whatever Mahreen might say about West, India, Rwanda, this and that, there are several unavoidable facts. None of these places have an instituitionalized culture of violence, terrorism, and religous bigotry. And, they do not export terrorism to other countries the way we do. Yes, there are instances of these things in any country. But, not an everyday occurence that threatens the very state itself.

    As Pakistanis, we are brain-washed since a young age about many many things: about our history, our heritage, and our identity. And, we are taught to blame everyone else for our problems: Zionists, Americans, Indians, RAW, Hindus, whatever. Some one has to come out and call our own bluff. That is the only we can get better. I really don’t care what the West and Rwanda does or does not do. I am worried about the “man in the mirror”.

    AhmedRecommend

  • Fahd Ali Raza
    Aug 28, 2010 - 9:30AM

    Hm. . . it is surprising that we are all discussing the cause in all these articles, and not the effect. Did anyone write articles like these about the genocides in Africa? Or Katrina? Or the murder of the Czar? Or Nepal, where the whole royal family was wiped out? Or Iran? I am sure such discussions did take place. The net effect is the same. Some nations are better than others, some lynch mobs are better than others. A cockroach is a wonderful creature, very resilient. We hate it. We compare the worst of us with it. Why? Because ALL cockroaches breed in circumstances which WE humans feel are unhygienic. The difference, try to understand, is that it IS possible for a whole nation to have common characteristics. Including cowardice. No one stood up for the brothers, no one is standing up against the mismanagement of the flood waters.

    Who wants to bet the EXACT same people will be elected on district level in the next elections by the SAME people?Recommend

  • Farrukh Siddiqui
    Aug 28, 2010 - 9:34AM

    I agree entirely and completely with Mehreen. Recommend

  • Irshad Jan
    Aug 28, 2010 - 9:55AM

    An intelligent reply to vitriolic remarks by Fulton & faseeh. Recommend

  • Nadeem Jahangir
    Aug 28, 2010 - 10:27AM

    Yes! I agree with this, writer wonderfully pointing out the things which were openly shared by above mentioned two writers in a pathetic manner, even I was very surprised to read that how it is possible that a man coming from another country, spending few years and commenting on Pakistan’s culture, history and society in very harsh manner. I would say Mr. George, you cannot understand how much our ancestors have sacrificed to achieve this country, even you cannot understand the word sacrifice. Mr.Fasi Zaka writing some thing, reflects the mentality of the writer so get out of that mentality and try to do some thing positive.Recommend

  • Misam
    Aug 28, 2010 - 10:33AM

    There are three kinds of people: one kind is of those learned people who are highly versed in the ethics of truth and philosophy of religion, second is the kind of those who are acquiring the above knowledge and the third is that class of people who are uneducated, and fortunately 80% of our population come under the third class as mentioned above. We do not fear Allah, do let the Devil lead us to Hell. Our leaders are the reason behind circumstances our nation is in. They have misguided the whole generation of men around us. Having no faith in the truth of Islam they have led others astray. They have thrown us in the depths of ignorance. They have enticed us towards the abyss for unenlightening and illiteracy. Even though Satan has certainly started instigating his forces and has collected his army in order that oppression may reach its extreme ends and wrong may come back to its position. The person Mahreen Khan had replied to have not put a correct Blame on us (every Pakistani) it doesn’t make any sense and if it does than we see every American like Bush and every Jews like Rosh HaMemshala, this will not be justice between there nation and themselves. Recommend

  • MUHAMMED ASHRAF GANDHI
    Aug 28, 2010 - 10:46AM

    the very fact that every segment of society has condemned the incidentreflects the human approach of pakistanis. however people looking at the barbaric view should be viewed as saddist atendency developed by gen. ziaulhaq by publically flogging and hangings during his barbaric region.the nation needs psyclogical treatment. not only the real actors in the incident also the people enjoying the incident should also be tried in the court for abetting.Recommend

  • Bader
    Aug 28, 2010 - 11:17AM

    I completely agree with you.Recommend

  • Aug 28, 2010 - 11:22AM

    Excellent article, Ms. Khan. I completely agree and I am glad you wrote this. Recommend

  • Ali
    Aug 28, 2010 - 11:24AM

    Mehreen I read both of those articles yesterday, and I felt the same as you did. How could we be termed barbaric on terms of freedom struggle..or on the basis of a movie?
    Well written, good work.Recommend

  • sarah farooq
    Aug 28, 2010 - 11:53AM

    Mahreen you seem to have completely failed to see what the writers who’ve tried to rouse some ‘shame’ into us are actually trying to acheive. What harm can asking us to view ourselves a little more critcially cause anyway??

    The purpose behind such artciles is far more constructive and positive than the effect your ‘we’re not such bad people’ ,’america/rawanda did the same thing’ artcile does. Please open your eyes and look around, this country is not a mess because of our leaders or the natural calamaties, it is a mess because each and every one of us has failed to play are part. The first step towards reconstruction will involve accepting our faults identifying our problems! All you’re doing is indulging our petty egos. We don’t need that molly coddling, we’ve had 60 years of telling ourselves, its not us, its America/india/israel.

    These articles were written in pain and rage, because that mob included each and every one of us!! Thats what mobs signify! Till we repent for who we’ve become, we’ll never be able to undo the harm we have caused ourselves. One would expect a slightly more objective response from the educated elite like yourself. Recommend

  • parvez
    Aug 28, 2010 - 12:25PM

    Mahreen I agree with you one hundred percent.Recommend

  • Asad
    Aug 28, 2010 - 12:33PM

    An excelent article and very well timed. No doubts that we, like all other nations do have Black sheeps amongst us and I do not think the entire nation be blamed for the wrong doing of a few.
    Mehreen, Your positive approach is appreciated and please keep it up.Recommend

  • SG
    Aug 28, 2010 - 12:39PM

    Regardless of your ‘reasoned’ argument, there is no justifying what happened in Sialkot. Let us acknowledge that we, as a society, are ill, and need to change – question is how?Recommend

  • Aug 28, 2010 - 1:20PM

    You are absolutely right, I fully agree with you. Recommend

  • Angelos
    Aug 28, 2010 - 1:30PM

    an excellent piece, a great reply to aticles written by Fasi Zaka and Mr. Fullton who apparently still lack wisdom to grasp the current situation and went on a usual RANT……….Recommend

  • Sara
    Aug 28, 2010 - 1:46PM

    Glad Mehreen brought up this issues. I am sorry it was bad editorial judgement to let George fulton write about us as “we”. I don’t think he has any right to write about us and then pass crude judgments abt us as people. We are Pakistanis we have a mix of good , bad , and ugly amongst us like all nations.Recommend

  • Jumma Gul Khan
    Aug 28, 2010 - 2:16PM

    @ Sara: That is a rather inane statement. When Pakistanis go to Europe and get married there, they become citizens within three years. What makes us so superior as a society that when a person like George comes here, learns the language, gets married, converts to Islam, and still doesn’t qualify as one of us? True maybe you are right, he doesnt lynch people, has an honest original’ degree from oxford, ánd pays all of his taxes. True he isnt one of us. He is way better.

    On another note, who is us? The balochis who want independence, the threek e taliban, the bengalis who said farewell decades ago? What is this national culture the author speaks about. The truth is Pakistans culture and nationhood are a myth.Recommend

  • javed khan
    Aug 28, 2010 - 2:22PM

    Two thumbs up:) mahreen rocks…Recommend

  • Usman
    Aug 28, 2010 - 2:32PM

    We Muslims are supposed to be the best of nations but we are not and we have no one whom we can blame but ourselves. We have brought all this upon ourselves. Ban this, ban that hasn’t worked and won’t work ever. We have to bring an individual change in ourselves while looking around us at the same time. Recommend

  • Naeem Akhtar
    Aug 28, 2010 - 2:39PM

    Thank you for writing.

    Moreover can anyone tell me how come two cameramen were there with their cameras and still it took three days for the video to reach News Channel. I am from Sialkot and I know it is not a mere Co-Incidence that these Cameramen were there.Recommend

  • Ali K.Chishti
    Aug 28, 2010 - 2:50PM

    Upon further reflection, what happened in Sialkot is a vivid and macabre manifestation of what is normal for Pakistan.The mob enjoying the macabre murders needs to be subjected to a good non-lethal thrashing – where is Islamic Law when you …need it? There is nothing Islamic about the Islamic Republic of Pakistan or the people who enjoy watching murder taking place in front of their eyes. The fact that it happened during Ramadan and a day after our Independence Day, casts doubts about the claims of moral superiority made by many Muslims and Pakistanis.

    And we should come out of the Alice in Wonderland bigotry and stop acting like Ostriches. Collectively we have failed and although I may not necessarily agree with my friend, George Fulton’s view the other day: he did took a dig at our rotten cultural which was right.

    Failed Nation. Failed, People. Recommend

  • tested
    Aug 28, 2010 - 2:50PM

    this article is a breath of fresh air, keep it up mahreen
    Recommend

  • zaheer
    Aug 28, 2010 - 3:01PM

    Well written Mahreen, keep up the good work…Recommend

  • Sohail
    Aug 28, 2010 - 3:04PM

    well expressed and balanced response to stereo typing of some columnists. we are aggrieved and ashamed of Sialkot incidence and others like them but it does not mean that the whole nation is like this. we have good rather great examples like edhis, imrans, abrars, shehris as well. what lacks is only the central leadership. that is also not too far. so there is no point in getting disappointed. Recommend

  • Aug 28, 2010 - 3:09PM

    Look at the comments section of your piece and of George and Fasi pieces, you easily can understand, for whom your are talking and whom were represented by them. You are fuelling our chauvinism and narcissim and they are trying to neutralize it by hard talks….Recommend

  • Aug 28, 2010 - 3:20PM

    To those using Sialkot incident to demonize Pakistanis: STOP IT!

    Stop generalizing. The Sialkot incident was a mob action and it’s representative of nobody except the people who were involved in it. There is also government failure here beca…use the perpetrators allege rightly or wrongly that the two kids killed one of their own. Nothing justifies this crime and all involved must be punished but this is mob action. There have been many cases where people arrested and killed thieves and burlars because your democracy and politicians can’t run the police and the justice system right. Where were you when Sindhi waderas threw pregnant 19yo Nasim Solangi to hungry dogs? Where were you when Balochi sardars buried 3 women alive? When Chaudhries in Punjab abuse and kidnap women? How are poor Pakistanis responsible when these powerful people do this and are brought to power because people like you ‘love democracy’ and see them as having the right to rule over us? Plz check your own hypocrisy before generalizing a single incident.Recommend

  • Sarwat
    Aug 28, 2010 - 3:25PM

    Mehreen , I used to love your show but now i have found new respect for you. Fantastic read. Thank you for giving me hope and making me believe in myself. It is great to see a positive attitude from someone with all the self loathing going on.

    I request that you write a sequel to this article on logical and maybe even individual ways that we can reduce the frustration and extremism in our society. It is absolutely unnerving to hear of violent incidents one after another on the media. And there are so many that go unnoticed. We can feel the desperation to change that,well that’s step one but what next. In a few days this fervor would die down and then it’s back to the old days of indifference. Please give us your take on how to solve this problem.Recommend

  • Rasheed Raza
    Aug 28, 2010 - 3:38PM

    Fasi and George, to give them the benefit of doubt might just have crossed the line with some in order to get their point across. I sympathise with their feelings of outrage but generalisations especially in these sensitive cases are never a good idea. Yes I do agree that more and more people in my country are crossing the divide into bigotry and intolerance….But
    When just existing is so hard for an average man that getting up in the morning is difficult. When you dont know if you will have food to feed your family. When you see a loved one die because you dont have money to treat them. You tend to develop a very harsh shell around your heart. Imagine a parent willing to sell a child for food ! Its comparitively very common in Pakistan.
    These harsh conditions give rise to a very hard talibanised way of seeing the world and life, it gives rise to them and us and black and white and it colours our souls in brutal shades of Black and white, without any tempering shades of grey.
    I cried when I saw what happened in Sialkot but I cry more everyday when I see what’s happening every day in Pakistan.
    I can see where George and Fasi are coming from as I have felt the same anger and hate almost everyday but they are letting events colour their judgement.
    Thank you Mahreen for providing the balancing shades of grey.Recommend

  • Al
    Aug 28, 2010 - 3:39PM

    Thank you for defending us those articles are exaggerated a bit perhaps all the bad news has pulled their emotional trigger. BUT it is articles like those which can help wake up the ‘Parhai likhae jahil’ of our country which despite having education continued to be pulled in by crazy myths and conspiracies. Myself coming from a so called elite educational institute have experienced first hand their lack of logic and clear reasoning, which even i fall victim to at times. Help to disaster victims, protection of minorities, ENSURING of fundamental human rights are basics of western society the very society hated by most people including ‘unparh’ or ‘parhai likhae jahil’. Recommend

  • farheena
    Aug 28, 2010 - 3:56PM

    So glad someone responded to those over dramatized articles. Thankyou Ms Khan.
    The articles by Mr Fulton and Mr Zaka were upsetting on two counts. Firstly, Instead of providing an intellectual response their emotional arguments were merely attempting to ride the wave of populist anger on this tragedy. Secondly, it was depressing to see how easily their readers got caught up in their insulting generalizations, as evident from the reader comments.
    Mr Fulton may be partly excused upon the grounds that he may lack deeper knowledge of the region. But Mr Zaka’s rant was a cheap trick attempting to rouse reader emotions and anger to further his own liberal line that he often advances in his columns. And then how is the mentality of our so called liberal columnists any different from the mob when we all know what their positions are on issues such as the killing of the girls of Jamia Hafsa and the drone attacks in the tribal belt. If they are such concerned citizens of Pakistan, they should begin by checking their own hypocrisy. Recommend

  • sharmistha
    Aug 28, 2010 - 4:19PM

    I like your article .I have a question why do you have to mention Indian situation to justify everything .I am against those forces in India which are negetive and there are many organisations and specially people of India have literally isolated those who were involved in Gujarat incidence plus government is working against them if you closely follow the news in India.Thank you.Recommend

  • Babar
    Aug 28, 2010 - 4:22PM

    All Mr. Fulton and Fasi have only shown us the mirror. We can,t blame them for our ugly face.
    As far as Rawanda or Sudan or Palestine etc. are concerned, I fail to understand how attrocities there justifies one carried out in Sialkot. Should we not talk about injustice in Sialkot because of those carried out elsewhere?
    We should be greatful that liberals would only keep their lynching verbal, which can’t be said to be true for rest of us. Let’s not also forget that this is not first such incident in Pakistan of this kind. Have we forgotten about the mobs that attacked cristians few months ago and tourching of people in Karachi? What about Ahmadis massachered in 1950s and then in 70s by similar mobs. Closing eyes to a problem does not solve itRecommend

  • Aug 28, 2010 - 4:25PM

    Spot on, madame! But it is amusing really, amid the tragedy. An excellent reply to those who failed to get shocked on the Sialkot tragedy. Good shot. Recommend

  • Neeraj, India
    Aug 28, 2010 - 4:27PM

    Mahareen, I am stunned at your utter insensitivity towards horrible lynchings of two young boys. You have the audacity to question the Pakistani media’s outrage at the brutal killings? Your anger and argument expressed in the article are ridiculously trivial. Your reference to Gujarat massacre, New Orleans, Rwanda are inconsequential because these horrible events of human history were universally condemned. In India, Gujarat killings took many a long years to fade away from the mainstream media.
    Let me remind you those immortal words uttered perhaps by Lloyd george “defeat of modern society lie in the comparing an evil with other, instead of calling an evil as an evil”. Aren’t you proving him right? Recommend

  • KFH
    Aug 28, 2010 - 4:28PM

    These are not just word but a huge favor to the nation. After reading all those early articles that were mentioned, i literally prayed someone may tell them what they are actually trying do. This is a chance for them to give up on looking for a reason to hate this country !Recommend

  • Abdullah-Toronto, Canada
    Aug 28, 2010 - 4:47PM

    Your article brings relief to me, at least to know that there still are people who have optimism and a sense of patriotism. I SERIOUSLY LOVED THIS ARTICLE ! Hats off !
    All the journalists must understand that they heavily influence the direction of the society with their pen. Even in the worst situations you guys can create optimism and vice versa.In these critical times, when we need hope, when history is in the making, we need some optimism and encouragement.
    “Love Pakistan, OR leave Pakistan”.
    Thank You Ma’am for this beautiful defense, especially by countering the totally senseless logic george came up with. Maula jutt huh ?!!! are you kidding me ?
    Self criticism is social and moral suicide. Our ancestors were always positive in the worst of situations and we’ve seen that in the life of our Prophet PBUH repeatedly.Recommend

  • Saira
    Aug 28, 2010 - 4:57PM

    As a British Pakistani I have grown up facing racism and vicious Pakistan-bashing. I was incensed by George’s hypocrisy – he should try and write the same for England when elderly people are beaten to death in their homes for a few pounds, black people are stabbed to death on a main road and no witnesses come forward allwoing the killers free and the police is indicted as “institutionally racist” ref Stephen Lawrence. No george wouldnt dare write in such words about his own kind and nor would anyone else – we would be lynched if we wrote such things here about britain. the BNP would crucify us. Britain is far more intolerant of ethnic minorities but it never gets exposed.Recommend

  • Aug 28, 2010 - 4:58PM

    It’s futile to argue with people or the writer through the comment boxes.

    But I will say this, at least the people you call the ‘liberal lynch mob’ are not out there killing people with their words or actions. Neither do they advocate such a mentality.

    However you, the authoress, never cared to condemn the brutalities in Sialkot in the entire article, shifted the focus to Gujrat in India as ‘people amongst us’ and provided justifications for such savage behavior. Now this is sic!Recommend

  • Amir
    Aug 28, 2010 - 4:59PM

    Loved the article – superb response – in true barrister style. Exposes the hypocrisy, self righteousness and prejudices of the liberal westoxicated.Recommend

  • Aug 28, 2010 - 4:59PM

    //The reality is that Pakistanis are inherently no better and no worse than any other people.

    True! After looking at the reaction and the number of protests against the lynching, I believe that we are not that much bad.Recommend

  • Aug 28, 2010 - 5:07PM

    How about a perspective from a Muslim who lives in the UK, rather than a ‘western’ view. http://bit.ly/bHY4Oe

    Pakistan as a whole has responsibility in this but so do Muslims all over the world – we are One Ummah and when something happens in one part, it affects the whole body!Recommend

  • Arfan
    Aug 28, 2010 - 5:15PM

    Firstly, anyone who even contemplates the massacre that place in 1947 as indicitive of our [Pakistani] mentality, pry drink some really strong coffee and face facts! Though britalities occurred on both sides, the most definitive acts of barbarism are well demonstrated when train loads of refugees were butchered en route to Lahore. Did ‘we’ do the same? Nay!
    As the writer rightly highlights the fact that individual acts of evil cannot be used to vilify an entire nation, what logic is this?
    Jhalianwala Bagh where the British massacred an entire rally, as they did in US, and every other part of their wonderful empire.
    The Germans in WWII, remind me again, 5 million ‘unwanteds’, hmmmm
    US bombing Hiroshima Nagasaki when they knew the Japanese were going to surrender? Hmmmm (add Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc etc)
    The French in Northern Africa, hmmmm
    So we use lone, horrifying incidents to paint an image for an entire people – hypocracy, double standards and down right prejeduice against us [the Pakistanis]!!
    Surely, the revoltion felt through every strand of the populous is more demonstrative of the Pak people’s mentalitity?
    And as far as these liberal ‘do-gooders’, ‘morally higher than thou attitude’ are more of a hinderence than an asset for us. They have yet to do anything good practically, save a few mug shots with the destitute.
    If you are so concerned – donate your houses and your VIP life styles to these people… Abdul Sattar Edhi can? Even the most liberal, yet MOST SINCERELY concerned person put his money where his mouth was… Who? Muhammad Ali Jinnah!Recommend

  • omar anis
    Aug 28, 2010 - 5:18PM

    i couldn’t agree more with those who criticized Pakistan and its people.
    those drowning in floods are no better, culture in our rural areas is barbaric.
    what could be more barbaric then giving away your daughters and sisters to settle feuds?
    dosnt this practice predates islam?
    still call them muslims?
    the fact of the matter is that our country instead of evolving towards civility is indeed moving in the other direction.
    i for one take it.. albeit with sadness…as a wakeup call to do some thing about it.
    sitting in it we often overlook what others see plainly from a distance.
    i can see their moral degradation obvious among other things which they cant from within.Recommend

  • G. Hayat
    Aug 28, 2010 - 5:20PM

    Ms. Khan, can you make up your mind? Didn’t you express the following views about Pakistanis in another article on this very website:

    “However, the coverage of the Airblue crash reflected our insensitivity and immaturity as a society. In death, as in life, we accord our citizens scant privacy, dignity or peace.” “Another layer added to tragedy — gruesome relish in uncovering what should remain alluded to — of ripping the shroud of decency and dignity from the dead and destroying even a semblance of compassion for the living.”

    And now Ms. Khan claims that we are no better or no worse than anyone else. Contradiction, anyone? Recommend

  • Yousaf
    Aug 28, 2010 - 5:21PM

    good stuff….extremely required and much appreciated.

    Good Work.. keep it up plz. Recommend

  • Amima
    Aug 28, 2010 - 5:33PM

    And an addition to Ahmed Qureshi’s comment: how is that people like you dont talk about generalizations when it is all positive? That Pakistanis are a wonderful hardworking lot, is equally gross a generalization. What empirical evidence do you have to support the tall claims that you are making? Sialkot incident is not an anomaly, it is indicative of the mindset. Just like denying that we are a morally, socially, politically and culturally degenerating is also indicative of your ostrich-approach and feeding on textbook version of Pakistan and history is. Recommend

  • Kais
    Aug 28, 2010 - 5:33PM

    Good article Mahreen, the main question is that how can we change the image of Paksitan and Paksitanis worldwide. During the past eight years we have been downgraded so much taht at the moment we are maybe considered to be the worlds most ‘digusted and cursed people’. A few days ago I read a news article in Australia saying that
    who should tell the Pakistanis that even ALLAH has gone against them”.
    Now I was pretty amazed as that article was published and written by an Austarlian journalist.Recommend

  • Saleha Khan
    Aug 28, 2010 - 5:40PM

    These barbaric incidences tend to occur in lawless societies. Sialkot incident is the prime example of lawlessness, and the failure of the law enforcing bodies! Mahreen has a valid point, and thanks for writing an article like this one. Recommend

  • F.K
    Aug 28, 2010 - 5:40PM

    Thank you Mahreen it is good to see sanity…after the cockroach and maula jatt haters..to term our partition like it was in those articles was a true and total disregard for any historical accuracy. Yes people died in the partition on both sides but that does not mean the whole of Pakistan is made up of killers and rapists …i wonder why the respected authors continue to reside in this filthy place?Recommend

  • Rani
    Aug 28, 2010 - 5:43PM

    I am from India – women are raped and lynched here too and it does not always even get reported. At least your media in pakistan showed it to you. This is a problem in our country. We need to spread message of peace not hate. i like the article.Recommend

  • fahad raza
    Aug 28, 2010 - 5:44PM

    Brilliantly written. Recommend

  • Maria Ahmed
    Aug 28, 2010 - 5:46PM

    @Mariam – totally agree!
    pakistanis take more criticism and bashing than anyone else – the fact that those 2 articles got printed shows our tolerance.

    Great response MehreenRecommend

  • Shoaib
    Aug 28, 2010 - 5:47PM

    well argued. hats off to you!Recommend

  • Hasan
    Aug 28, 2010 - 5:49PM

    The reality is that Pakistanis are inherently no better and no worse than any other people.

    Mahreen let’s see, here is the worst;

    Pakistan relief organisations ‘discriminating against Christian flood victims’
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/7968046/Pakistan-relief-organisations-discriminating-against-Christian-flood-victims.html

    Where is the equivalent good?

    The same people who are raising aid for us in millions (British kafir public has raised $30 million so far and German kafir public $10 million in just one night) are making fun of us for discriminating on religious grounds even in distributing this free aid. What an incentive for them to help us. We want compassion from others but have none ourselves. How are we as good or bad as others, specifically west? And why do we not act like developed nations if we are just as good or bad?

    Even God hates us. What more evidence do we need that we are the worst of the worst? Fasi you rock. Recommend

  • Shunaid
    Aug 28, 2010 - 6:00PM

    Never knew what the big deal was about Harvard – now i can see it… great writing!Recommend

  • Atif Khan
    Aug 28, 2010 - 6:05PM

    Self check and correction is the first step towards progress which Mahreen fails to understand. Recommend

  • Farooq Ubaid
    Aug 28, 2010 - 6:09PM

    Really? There was nothing else going on in the country that you felt you should write about? Not one thing? Apparently all our problems are solved to the point that the only issues left are what this editorial columnist thinks of that editorial columnist.

    Actually, right now, this moment, Pakistanis are worse than other peoples. Our corruption has delayed foreign aid, our laziness has prevented dams from being built, our intolerance has damned the Ahmedis, our greed has increased poverty and our violent tendencies have resulted in lynch mobs, women with acid thrown on their faces, suicide attacks and god knows what else. Every one who did these things was also a Pakistani.

    Your best defense was that we aren’t as bad as Rwanda? Congratulations! Pat yourself on the back for not being as vicious as a civil war torn African nation. High standards you set for yourself there.

    These “western, liberal” columnists CAN criticize us because, like the torturers, killers, bombers and murderers, these columnists are also Pakistanis. So they can feel anger and disgust at themselves and their fellow people.

    This column betrays a proud ignorance. There is nothing wrong with being ashamed of your country. Or angry at it. Those are the emotions that make us improve ourselves. Unfortunately, continuing blindly in this direction is only going to hurt us. Recommend

  • Hamza
    Aug 28, 2010 - 6:15PM

    Wah wah jee – tussi great ho! Mahreen ji.

    Ridiculous rubbish from george – if we are all maula jutts how come you still wanna live here? Havent been “maula jutted” have you? Stop Pakistan bashing. We are not going to take it. Recommend

  • Adnan S. Khan
    Aug 28, 2010 - 6:22PM

    I agree with Fasi Zaka and George Fulton… Whenever I leave my house I have to think that I might be the next victim of a lynch mob or something just because I was at the wrong place at the wrong time. We truly are just a dirty pack of ‘barbarians’ and ‘degenerates’. that was my 2 cents worth…Recommend

  • Lamia
    Aug 28, 2010 - 6:24PM

    wonderful response mahreen – thanks for taking a stand for all of us.Recommend

  • asif raja
    Aug 28, 2010 - 6:30PM

    wonderfully written. I cant understand how people abuse their own motherland or support that. Thanks for giving them a fitting response with such eloquence.Recommend

  • Sherry
    Aug 28, 2010 - 6:33PM

    Pakistanis are good people. I have found them warm, hospitable and kind – never hateful or spiteful. Their family values are something we have lost in the west. Your “rule of law has been eroded” – quite right and that is the reason for the barbarity of Sialkot, not your race or history.

    Good job mahreen.Recommend

  • ali akbar
    Aug 28, 2010 - 6:38PM

    @ Hassan – also look at the video from r Qureshi then. The Telegraph is a right wing paper which often writes such Pakistan bashing articles without any proof. Stop being such a defender of the west. No one is being chauvinistic or defending sialkot – just pointing out the prejudice of targeting Pakistanis alone.

    @ Adnan S Khan – youre right – that was just worth 2 cents! Also black people feel the same as you in the US, Muslim women in Germany, France etc etc, Pakistanis in Britain. Recommend

  • IZ
    Aug 28, 2010 - 6:38PM

    I like how you equate the publishing of two blogs on a website with being beaten to death by a howling mob, as if the offending of your tender sensibilities is as grave a trauma as the lynching of two boys. The very fact that anyone can seriously equate the two actions shows just how deep-rooted the malaise is in our society. While I personally found both the articles in question to be tasteless and hyperbolic in tone, they don’t come close in offensiveness to your own.Recommend

  • Jamal Asfandyar
    Aug 28, 2010 - 7:04PM

    THANK YOU Mahreen! A perfectly worded rebuttal to Zaka and Fulton. Excellent, excellent, excellent! More of the same please!Recommend

  • Marjan
    Aug 28, 2010 - 7:04PM

    Looks could be so deceptive,degree from a foreign university can not change a mindset.Our educated people are uneducated.George knows our society more than a NINJA without a hijab.Recommend

  • Zoya Sameen
    Aug 28, 2010 - 7:25PM

    “Muslims were more the victims of communal violence, as documented by various noted historians who also describe the role of the departing British colonisers as culpable.”

    Firstly, as a History major, I am appalled to see a qualified writer utter something that is historically as inaccurate as this. What writers may I ask is the author referring to? I suspect these ‘noted historians’ are apologists for Islam and in addition blame everything on colonialism. Perhaps this is where the fault lies.

    Very few writers offer a balanced view on Pakistan anymore. Either they are sympathetic toward the country’s plight and in turn offer glimmerings of support, or they revel in hating the roots from which Pakistan emerged. It is very simple to fit into either of these two categories. I am perhaps guilty of falling into the latter category as are many others who were deeply disturbed by the barbaric acts committed in Sialkot.

    But we cannot say it is one or the other and be done with it. We must carefully look at and understand these two points of view. Is there something so wrong in thinking that there still exist leftovers from the era of Partition as Fulton suggested? Contrary to what the author has argued, any historian will confirm that both Hindus and Muslims did in fact “revel in bloodlust,” giving the most sinister of definitions to Hindustan or Pakistan. The question is why not let 1947 deduce who we are as a people? The answer is simple: visiting 1947 for any Pakistani so often means blaming the Hindus and English for everything that went wrong and victimizing the Muslims. This victim complex still exists. It is ostensible in this very post. Only when we learn to overcome and fully heal from the scars of Partition will we ever be able to define ourselves as a people and fully understand our roots. Then such articles wouldn’t be necessary. Recommend

  • Yamna
    Aug 28, 2010 - 7:44PM

    I agree Maheen; Truth is a friend emailed the Sialkot video (i was unaware of it being shown on TV till that time) with the abandoning statement of “I am ashamed of being a Pakistani after seeing this. I think British were much better rulers of us than we can ever be”. and it struck me how quick people are (and young ones like us!) to doubt the very existence of the nation.

    Does the example of people like Edhi make the whole nation a saint? then how can this make everyone (as you so rightly pointed out) undeserving and barbaric. i agree that we really need to rethink where we stand and preach love. take a stand at the wrongs we see. But it does not mean that we lose hope in ourselves and get “quarantined”.Recommend

  • RN
    Aug 28, 2010 - 7:45PM

    A well reasoned and more than adequate rebuttal to Mr. Fulton. Thank you for balancing both sides of the arguments so diplomatically, we are not a nation of feral beings, we are a proud people with a rich heritage. Granted, we have flaws and are usually connected with the most heinous of crimes, but even the most disciplined person in the world is a potential barbarian at the best of times. Unless there is alleviation of poverty and an imposition of the rule of law, and a general acceptance of this, such atrocities will continue. The sad fact is that we cannot attribute blame to any one specific factor, however, self loathing is not the answer and neither is a change in government. Recommend

  • Habiba Younis
    Aug 28, 2010 - 7:53PM

    excuse, excuses, EXCUSES and pointless excuses!
    Those articles by Fasi and George Fulton highlighted the core realities! but well of course people will spit it out since it was bitter but no doubt was absolutely truth! I’m sick of people trying to justify what can’t be justified, face it! and if people are so offended by what Fasi and George showed us in the mirror and find it too “nauseating” , then they should go and change themselves and become something better than a cockroach! Recommend

  • haroon
    Aug 28, 2010 - 7:57PM

    dear Mahreen, for some reason from the tone off your article one is trying to comprehend for some odd reason that you are trying to justify the actions off the lynch mob, yes just because it happens in other countries doesnt mean it happens here in pakistan, giving its due ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN , in history if i can recollect only two countries have been created on religion as its foundation pakistan and israel, the fact that these atrocities were committed by the muslims towards the muslims its painful..the countries you have quoted rwanada has a muslim population of 4.6 percent, majority being christians, similiar statistic probably apples to america…AND MOST ABOVE ALL THEY ARE NOT MUSLIM countries.. secondly this is not an odd occurance here or there but its a regular occurance off unislamic behaviour from the people whose belief is islam…fortunately for the BUTT brothers theyre might seem a glimmer of justice but i wouldnt hold my breath..so Maheen its not about pakistani hating or not patriotism its about standing up for what is JUST..and highlighting the pitfalls off our nation…surely for us to progress as a nation we need to identify and realise PAKISTAN IS A FAILED STATE, and hence we can move forward..since independance what have we really achieved bar the one atomic bomb???Recommend

  • FK
    Aug 28, 2010 - 8:03PM

    Agreements/disagreements. Too many citizens expressing views and intents. Please dont waste time being pundits. no one can solve the problems of Pakistan. Every body, stay calm, and ponder. Help yourselves first. And help your generations be better humans. If you can do that, you will be at peace. God will not consider any one of us liable for problem solving (sadqah/charity/zakat etc are there and sincere ones are doing it). We are to give an account of our heart and faith. That must be pure. Pakistan, its problems, all remain out of our reach and responsibility. Our issues are beyond the capacity of 17 million pakistanis. All that you do, make sure you do it the pure way. Stay away from filth. Recommend

  • Husnain Lotia
    Aug 28, 2010 - 8:10PM

    Yeah, that’s right. Rant & rave against others when they criticize you. Turn a deaf ear to your own barbarism, corruption, lack of any decency and general inhumanity that passes for a nation!Recommend

  • Cehyr
    Aug 28, 2010 - 8:12PM

    very well-written piece…& aptly concluded…could not agree wid you more..!Recommend

  • Zafar Ali
    Aug 28, 2010 - 8:45PM

    Any one can remember by going through the youtube video of Italy where a 21 year old lady was also lynched. People kicked her to death. Even she literally had a peice of cloth on her body. So making generalization (based on only one incident of its own kind) is not unacceptable. And also as said that the five fingers of a hand are not equal so good and bad are everywhere even that may be in England or in USA. Recommend

  • Musab Memon
    Aug 28, 2010 - 8:53PM

    i think finally we come across a piece that does not birate our own nation. It is factually correct, politically sound and intellectually stimulating. I think the author has done a spectcular job. how many a people have revolutionalized and mobilized themselves out of austere situations by means of self-loathing and self-birating? unless we know we can change, we wont. we as a nation are not wretched. i refuse to accept such generalizations. And im sure all the well-read, and otherwise, have sense enough to reliaze this.
    Im impressed by this piece.Recommend

  • Zain Abbass
    Aug 28, 2010 - 9:03PM

    How is the author going to deny what has been going on this country ever since it’s inception. We deserved to be cursed and that has nothing to do with liberalism or western civilization. I don’t even know why the author brought that into the discussion.

    Let us not be blind and use this oppurtunity as a wake up call to mend our ways!Recommend

  • KJ
    Aug 28, 2010 - 9:32PM

    Looking at the long chain of comments, I think Fasih Zaka was correct in saying …. “There is such a sense of sickening moral superiority in Pakistanis, it needs to be addressed. All we care about is foreign policy, eager to point out the hypocrisies of the world, silent on our domestic, or even local life. Why should the world take what you say seriously, why should you be a regional power, or a leader in the comity of Islamic nations?

    Truth is, there is only one way to get change, and it’s not hanging the people who killed these boys. It is raising your voice to contradict people who advocate death for others, no matter who they are speaking of. To internalise that murder of any kind, for anyone is wrong. Sounds easy? Well just try it.”Recommend

  • Shaikh Umer
    Aug 28, 2010 - 9:56PM

    Masha Allah, Madam. You have done an excellent peace which brought me back to senses after watching the cruelity of some misguided people amongst us. I know there must be more than what we have seen but it goes unreported and unseen. Every nation has their their shaiateen amongst them and we have seen their cruelty. Why blame the whole nation when some people do wrong. Do we or the world blames German, Americans, Africans Indians and others for the wrong their people have commiteted and do commit every day. No. Then why Pakistan and Islam is always in the news. There is a big international conspriciy to downgrade us and we must all wake up and realise it sooner.Recommend

  • R
    Aug 28, 2010 - 9:57PM

    Just a repeat of whats been said endlessly lately.Recommend

  • Haider
    Aug 28, 2010 - 10:14PM

    Excellent piece! very well done! We really needed this..a reply to all those keyboard warriorsRecommend

  • Raza Raja
    Aug 28, 2010 - 10:33PM

    I agree partly with the writer. However I would like to add that such articles are often used to give apologetic defense to native barbarism. Rawanda or Israel are not our countries, Pakistan is. So therefore one should not use example of their misdeeds to “soften” the bitter reality and ugliness in our own country Recommend

  • Aug 28, 2010 - 11:19PM

    Dear Ms. Khan
    First of all, my heartfelt thanks for setting the record straight concerning, the “pure lynch mob mentality of the western and some so-called Pakistani pseudo- intellectuals”. It is a shame that instead of condemning an individual act of inhumanity or violence of a group of people, these opportunists – disguised as liberals – always criticize Pakistan as failed state and Pakistanis a violent prone nation. You are spot on, when you say that these columnists would not dare to write in such sadistic terms about western cultures. The media would not even allow it.
    I work with Islamophobia in the western societies and monitor the media on daily basis. You would not believe what is being said, written and propagated against Islam, Muslim communities and Pakistan in this part of the world – right from serious magazines like Economist, Time and Newsweek, Der Spiegel and many more. BBC World, CNN, Fox TV, Deutsche Welle and Danish TV on daily basis insult Islam and the Islamic world. All this with the help of reporters, journalists and experts who have Pakistani/Muslim background and should know better.
    I am all for freedom of speech, critical view of a society and relentless information to the public for their rights but and this is a big BUT, it must be done with objectivity, nuance arguments and with the purpose of bridging the gap between people. The last thing, Pakistan needs right now and in the future is that its elite should not spit in the plate, they eat. Western powers have their own interests and not Pakistan’s. Many western politicians are even saying that we should help Pakistan in its worst disaster otherwise Taleban would take over. What a way to help the needy.
    Keep up the good work.
    Kind regards
    Bashy Quraishy
    Chief Editor – MediaWatch – Denmark
    Board Member – Institute for Human Rights -Denmark
    Board Member – World Cultural Center – Copenhagen
    Mobile; 0045 40 15 47 71
    Phone; 0045 38 88 19 77
    http://www.bashy.dkRecommend

  • Sobaan
    Aug 28, 2010 - 11:25PM

    Mahreen khan just earned my respect
    V need such media persons.A perfect slap on the face of Fussy Zaka n George FultonRecommend

  • Omair Shakil
    Aug 28, 2010 - 11:45PM

    Mehreen you have your heart and mind in the right place. A couldn’t agree more with your concluding paragraph. Bravo!Recommend

  • Hiraa Aquib
    Aug 29, 2010 - 12:04AM

    Thumbs up!! Recommend

  • Magsi
    Aug 29, 2010 - 12:11AM

    Very well written article. Thank you!Recommend

  • amber h
    Aug 29, 2010 - 12:25AM

    ”These columnists would not dare to write in such sadistic terms about western cultures. No, they only prey on weak – pure lynch mob mentality ”
    its quite ironic what you say here , because it is prophesizing exaclty what the other columnist is saying and you are trying to negate! but yes i agree, its not just us , but humans put in the situation and circumstances as our history probably would end up in a muck like this… questions that need to be raised are how to fix it , and not just what went wrong and how cock-rochy have we become.Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Aug 29, 2010 - 12:32AM

    Really glad you wrote this…A true Pakistani you are. Proud of u :) Recommend

  • ally D
    Aug 29, 2010 - 12:49AM

    i have three words for you : I LOVE YOU!
    mr zakas article made me so angry!and every one was posting it as if it was a literary masterpiece..full of crass language and useless ..rhodes scholar please show what ‘you’ have done before you begin generalising..mr fulton i ignored..pointless hes not of this landRecommend

  • Cehyr
    Aug 29, 2010 - 12:57AM

    @Farheena
    I Second your comment…regarding da Hypocricy of these “liberal” & “enlightened” columnists…who condemn da killings of minorities but at da same tym raise slogans in favour of Massacre & Bloodshed of hundreds of muslim sisters & children at Jamiyah Hafsa…tht’s called PURE Hypocricy..!Recommend

  • Arif Khan
    Aug 29, 2010 - 1:04AM

    @ Raza Raja : I disagree – nowhere is the article justifying the actions in Sialkot or softening our misdeeds. It is just saying that race is not the determinant of bad deeds – by giving examples of other countries – the presence of rule of law is. And self-hate is not the way to go in resolving the issue.Recommend

  • Rahul
    Aug 29, 2010 - 1:12AM

    Pakistanis seem so keen to belittle themselves. I have had friends at uni from Pakistan. Great people and I love Pak culture – but you are always bad mouthing each other. In India wev too has a lot of problems like poverty and illiteracy as well as religious fanatics. Stop scratching each other’s eyes out and sort it out. Recommend

  • Hassan
    Aug 29, 2010 - 1:28AM

    Wow – brilliant piece. Sialkot was indefensible but screaming and self flagellation is not the answer – fassi and fulton are just milking a tragedy to be controvresial and totally over the top. Surprising editorial judgment to let such baseless statements through.Recommend

  • Rizwan A
    Aug 29, 2010 - 1:33AM

    The Texas Chainsaw is not reflective of the American society since the movie’s plot is not seen happening in everyday American life, at least not since the KKK lynchings 60-70 years ago. A few months ago a cab driver of Pakistani origin in Britain attacked the alleged boyfriend of his soon to be wife with acid and went on to torture the girl. Incidents such as these have become so common that there is an organization within Pakistan called Acid Survivors Foundation (not that there aren’t similar organizations in other countries but, is this the company we want to keep?). If anything this incident should prove that Taliban are just an excuse for us to ignore a strand of exremist behavior underlying the fabric of our society. George Fulton or other journalists may have nothing vested in Pakistan but we are all ‘in’. We must relegate concerns for a positive image for the sake of a healthy society.Recommend

  • A.Waseem
    Aug 29, 2010 - 1:33AM

    Pakistanis on the whole are simply a bunch of frustrated, complexed and uneducated lot!! We need to apread alot of education in this society so that we can get rid of such brutalities and barbarism… The problem with us lot is we bring Islam into everything…well, where was Islam when these two helpless innocent boys were being lynched to death infront of the ‘police’ and other so called ‘religious and pious’ spectators….in the holy month of Ramadan??? A young boy was seen lashing out at the dead corpse of one of these boys!! What are we teaching the next generation…that violence should be condoned without any significant proof whatsoever?? On top of that, I guarantee you that justice will sadly never prevail for these two martyrs of Sialkot!!!!!Recommend

  • Aliya Zaidi
    Aug 29, 2010 - 1:44AM

    Wonderful piece mahreen. Thank God someone is writing sense instead of peddling racial stereotypes and self recrimination. If you dont like Pakistan and you think we are cockroaches – then leave.

    I like the way you ended – absolutely right. We will get justice for the victims in Sialkot because that is the right thing to do. Not through shame or self hatred.Recommend

  • Adam
    Aug 29, 2010 - 1:47AM

    Brilliantly written. You said what so many of us feel but cant write as well. It is so sad when people belittle Pakistan. We have major problems – yes – but to stand in judgment and say we are “barbaric” particularly someone who is from the race who had the most evil colonial record is sickening.

    Thanks for having the courage and intelligence to write this. Recommend

  • Dr Manzoor
    Aug 29, 2010 - 1:52AM

    Ms Mahreen – I am so glad that not all young people are suffering from an inferiority complex where they indulge in self hatred and swallow western stereotypes and policies just to be accepted in our “elite” circles.

    This country was created through many sacrifices. Fulton’s remarks about partition were deeply offensive and totally biased. I lost many relatives and to this day the pain is unbearable. It saddens me deeply to see the state Pakistan is in but abusing this country and its people is the sign of a weak and juvenile mind.

    Your analysis is intelligent and solid. Well done. Recommend

  • Sameer
    Aug 29, 2010 - 1:57AM

    Fassi and George normally write in an entertaining way but they both lost the plot with their articles. Lowered my opinion of their writing. It was like the tabloid version of a serious issue.
    Glad you rebutted them both in such a measured, reasoned way.

    Sialkot needs to be investigated thoroughly and everyone prosecuted. Hope the PML-N doesnt cover up for any ViP’s that are bound to be liable.Recommend

  • Anis
    Aug 29, 2010 - 2:02AM

    Glad to see this and Salman’s responses. Those 2 columns by zaka and george fullton were unworthy of publication in my view for the sheer stereo typing displayed. If they had been about any other nation/race they would never have been printed. We are the punching bag. As are Muslims in general.

    Thanks for setting the record straight although mahreen you need to write about the way forward – solutions to the our social degradation as evidenced in sialkot.Recommend

  • Farheen
    Aug 29, 2010 - 2:03AM

    simply brilliant!Recommend

  • Asim
    Aug 29, 2010 - 2:06AM

    @Marjan – name calling/abuse is the lowest form of communication – no wonder you enjoyed the fulton and cockroach pieces.

    Barrister Khan – keep it up. Very good column.Recommend

  • Sonya
    Aug 29, 2010 - 2:10AM

    @Rizwan – KKK lynchings went on well into the 60’s. Not that long ago!

    Abuse is not warranted no matter what the situation – thats the point – not that bad stuff isnt happening. Self hatred is counterproductive and advocating is is simply a weak and feeble way of not providing any answers. Recommend

  • waleed
    Aug 29, 2010 - 2:12AM

    the fassi and george pieces were laughable and shallow. why give them any credibility by penning a response?Recommend

  • Nina
    Aug 29, 2010 - 2:16AM

    Lovely piece. Exactly the right way to answer the fussy and george – claiming to speak for all of us – was deceitful and “nauseating” indeed!

    Superb writing mehreen.Recommend

  • Shahid
    Aug 29, 2010 - 2:19AM

    I agree with A Waseem – I dont trust the Sharifs at all. Justice wont be done for the two boys. our politicians are all above the law and so are their friends. Rule of law has been shattered.

    Great writing though – talented.Recommend

  • dave
    Aug 29, 2010 - 2:26AM

    Mahreen – I don’t think that George meant to be offensive but i agree with you – he had no right to speak on behalf of all (or any) Pakistanis and the statements were gross generalisations and inflammatory (you missed the one that was a take on “violence is as american as apple pie”).

    But I disagree with your last para – many pakistanis will get engrossed in theories about whether the boys were guilty. Justice will not be done – it will just be a PR exercise by the politicians. The system is totally corrupt.Recommend

  • Owais
    Aug 29, 2010 - 2:30AM

    Loved it! You are amazing! Thank you1 thank you! A well deserved right hook, Ali Style, to those who think they can keep punching Pakistan. Recommend

  • Zak
    Aug 29, 2010 - 2:35AM

    thank you for writing this. RESPECT!!!Recommend

  • Zara Ahmed
    Aug 29, 2010 - 2:37AM

    loved it! awesome!Recommend

  • saba khan
    Aug 29, 2010 - 2:38AM

    this article just gave more attention to the fassi/george nonsense. you should have ignored what they wrote as it was just so ludicrous.Recommend

  • Ahmer
    Aug 29, 2010 - 2:44AM

    Agreed with every bit of it – a comprehensive way to shut up those who think they can say anything about us. excellent.Recommend

  • Anoop
    Aug 29, 2010 - 3:03AM

    There is one major differences between mobs of India/West and Pakistan.

    Pakistan’s exclusive traits:
    1) Certain set of people are Institutionally discriminated,for instance Ahmadis are barred from calling themselves Muslims. India and West,its constitution or its laws dont discriminate against any set of people.
    2) Pakistan’s institutions promoted Terrorism in neighbouring states. Needless to justify my claim. Open any newspaper in the world and type “Pakistan+Terrorism” in the search engine.
    3) Pakistan’s education system-state owned or otherwise, promote hatred against Hindus,Christians and even other Muslim sects.
    http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20108\25\story25-8-2010pg3_5

    So in view of all the above “specialties” of Pakistan it cannot be considered worthy to be compared with the likes of India/West. When mob mentality takes over it takes a different dynamic and it spurned on by grave intitutional blunders as mentioned above. Pakistani Constitution,laws and Institutions promote hatred and bigotry. The author conveniently overlooks this fact and compares with the mob behaviors in India and the West. Miss Mahreen Aziz Khan, whenever there is institutional discrimination against a set of people mob hysteria attains a different dimension. The way mob behaved in Sialkot recently, the whole of Pakistan has contributed to it.

    I am guessing you have a Pakistani passport. Than, you must have signed this bigoted piece of document.

    http://changinguppakistan.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/picture-2.png

    See,what I mean? So, you have contributed to the Sialkot mob’s anger and intolerance.

    Fazi Zaka is right after all.Recommend

  • Shehla
    Aug 29, 2010 - 3:05AM

    But we adore our black sheeps. We call them maulanas, we call them mujahids.
    Hey I bet the people hitting and watching were all fasting to curb their Shaitan. Sorry guys you are the demons.Recommend

  • ijaz
    Aug 29, 2010 - 4:06AM

    Hi the writer of this article, have you ever heard of something called satire? That is what the cockroach comment was. The right wing nuts cannot be expected to know this anyway!!!Recommend

  • Aug 29, 2010 - 4:43AM

    great article. We need more people like you.Recommend

  • yawar ali
    Aug 29, 2010 - 5:17AM

    excellent stuff!
    people need to be answered when they insult pakistan.
    this article does the job!Recommend

  • sadia akram
    Aug 29, 2010 - 5:44AM

    Beautifully written. 100% agree.Recommend

  • Muzaffar
    Aug 29, 2010 - 5:56AM

    Very well written article – very articulated indeed.
    There is no second opinion about the fact that Sialkot episode is an act, we all should condemn. But still we are not the worst. Did we ever attack a ship having group of peaceful people (including internationally renowned journalists and NGOs members aboard, carrying food and medicinal stuff for a helpless nation, under attack by a state – unlawfully protected by Uncle Sam?Recommend

  • ahmad zaidi
    Aug 29, 2010 - 6:18AM

    let me agree with Mahreen, in fact majority of us is peace loving and loyal to law of humanity and country as well but we are suppressed by a corrupt and prejudice minority. whatever is the case we should confess that we are responsible to make this minority as representative of us.
    thanks Mahreen, you just encourage me to see a positive face of picture.Recommend

  • Parvez
    Aug 29, 2010 - 9:41AM

    Zaka uses “guilt by association” technique to demonize Pakistan. It is the lowest form of abuse.Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Aug 29, 2010 - 10:17AM

    Why are we defending ourselves as Pakistanis? Where was this patriotism when the murders were taking place?
    Is it the first one of its kind? No.
    People are too scared to walk on the streets fearing it will be them in the next random shooting, suicide bombing, or just getting killed by an angry mob.
    Where is the law placed? Where are the Human Rights? Or do we not need them because we are fanatics?
    I am ashamed to be a Pakistani and agree with Fulton, I don’t find the need of defending an article. We are needed to be reminded that this behavior is unacceptable.Recommend

  • Junaid Hafeez
    Aug 29, 2010 - 10:41AM

    Whatelse can you expect from a right-winged dogmatic person even if h/she is a graduate from Harvard.Recommend

  • Abdullah-Toronto, Canada
    Aug 29, 2010 - 11:44AM

    @ Zoya Sameen
    The writer is a Harvard Graduate. I am pretty sure she knows what she is talking but.
    For everyone else, how come we never talk about Robert Pickton, A Canadian, who raped and then murdered around 150 women.
    How about people like the Virginia Tech guy who killed 33 people in a shooting spree.
    There are tonnes of examples of western barbarianism, you just need to research it. And for the past 50 years America has been intruding countries and killing thousands of innocent people and carpet bombing places. very civilised eh !
    And yea if you run into a native red indian, ask them what the Brits did to them. Literally slaughtered masses and masses of people.

    For God’s sake drop the self pity. We are civilised people, dont extrapolite this issue and draw conclusions from it about all of Pakistan, beginning from 1947 uptil now.

    And Zoya, most history books are tainted, the writers put down what favours their point of view and earns them big bucks. you want real history lessons ? sit down with someone who witnessed it all, like your grandfather or something. They’ll tell you the truth. Recommend

  • Umar farooq
    Aug 29, 2010 - 12:40PM

    Since you are Harvard Graduate, Im sure you have lots in common with the average Pakistani. Yeah, right. Mr. Fulton is far more realistic in his approach to Pakistan then your approach to citing examples of savagery in other nations. Its ironic that you don’t realize that Mr. Fulton and other “liberal” columnists were describing precisely the delusional Pakistani attitude of pointing elsewhere when the blame lies closer at home as shown by your viewpoint. Recommend

  • ali malik
    Aug 29, 2010 - 12:58PM

    @junaid hafeez
    You’re the one sounding dogmatic. And how do you define right-wing? Anyone who defends Pakistan is automatically labelled right wing – if you defend Islam then you are labelled an extremist.
    Superb article – great work. Keep it up.Recommend

  • Rana Eijaz Ahmad
    Aug 29, 2010 - 1:23PM

    You are absolutely correct. But something i want to add here, Well i believe that any act of barbaric nature will be condemned everywhere in the world and no body appreciate that either it happens in Pakistan, US or any where else. Pakistan is a country that is being ruled by turncoats. They are begging and beggars are not respected any where in the world. It is not first time the media started humiliating Pakistan but i guess we people are giving too much to the so called leaders in the country, making debates sitting at home but doing nothing against the unruly rulers. This is where the shoe pinches. Recommend

  • Wasid Raja
    Aug 29, 2010 - 1:30PM

    Our cricket team have yet again delivered to us the pride and joy we have yearned for at a time of need. Mehreen, I read the first paragraph and after the events unfolding in the UK regarding our beloved cricket team, who represent us at the highest level on the international platform, I did not feel compelled to read anymore.

    You are fooling yourself and the readers. Pakistan requires a revolution and the people of Pakistan must begin by criticising what is wrong; God on mouth and evil at heart will not do anymore. From the youngest and poorest to the eldest and wealthiest, PAKISTANIS CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Think about what YOU are doing for YOUR country and not what OTHERS are doing or not doing. This is the difference between a failing nation and one that is prospering.Recommend

  • Sultan Ahmed.
    Aug 29, 2010 - 1:49PM

    In the presence of police personals
    they were killed,
    Justice ranked investigator investigated
    and declared the conclusion,
    according to the report produced by him to the authority concerned
    both the persons who were real brother were innocent,
    and a heinous crime was committed by police and the persons involved.

    all the world saying it was a savage act committed in the presence of the persons relating to law enforcement agency,why are you differing the fact,
    hear the voice of the mother of slain brothers,she is saying,there is no law and order
    there is no law for poor people.
    Fact of the day is that all are corrupt,there is corruption from head to toe,
    how much have you received for this pleading.Recommend

  • Muzammil
    Aug 29, 2010 - 3:01PM

    Why should we care what rest of the world does? Typical Pakistani way of escaping self accountability.Recommend

  • Jan
    Aug 29, 2010 - 3:33PM

    A very balanced & positive article by Mahreen.All societies in the world have their fair share of good and bad, and so do we.The point is,to keep a positive approach & put in place systems/mechanisms to deal with such incidents,ensure strict accountability & non-recurrence of the same.Recommend

  • Erum Shaikh
    Aug 29, 2010 - 4:29PM

    It is not for anyone to point out the problems and highlight our weaknesses every single day in an article in the newspaper, delighted to have done something constructive in life, to have evoked a sense of responsibility in your people. If these articles were written to straighten out “the mob” standing by and watching the brutal lynching of those two young boys then just the fact that it was written here, at the Express Tribune negates that very purpose. To reach out to the masses of Pakistan, go out on the streets and talk!!! Writing and reading is an idea our developing nation still hasn’t caught its head around. So appealing to the masses with a well structured article lecturing the masses on their lax attitude, in English might I add, is not for the masses at all! We are all well aware of the state our country is in and we do not expect to gain some sort of sympathy but being reprimanded with insults every day is not going to help fix this attitude either, go down and get your hands dirty or shut up & keep staring! It is the duty of each and every one of us to ‘help’ the country in its time of need and I assure you this verbal lynching is doing no such thing. This ongoing charade of degrading the nation that feeds you is as brutal a betrayal as the lynching of those two boys, and if someone sees that and is brave enough to stand up and advocate her nations vulnerable state then I Salute her. Recommend

  • umer
    Aug 29, 2010 - 4:37PM

    I agree with her.

    We need to improve ourselves a lot. We have a lot of shortcomings but it’s true that these western people should not do the crime of lynching against Pakistani nation in the name of humanitariansim. We shoud also not forget that these so-called liberal societies played a major role in the destruction of our society and its values.Recommend

  • Hassan Manzar
    Aug 29, 2010 - 4:51PM

    Brilliant article.
    This incident seems to lead a lot of people to denounce Pakistan and all that it stands for (unless I’m mistaken and its a ritual banter for them after every incident). We have a problem here, I disagree with anyone cursing the country. If I curse it along with you, I’ll be part of another albeit bigger angry mob who has no solution and wants to vent its anger somewhere. So there you guys are, with a stick, lynching Pakistan. Whats next? A muslim commits a crime and we’ll be back at it, ‘ashamed to be muslim’.
    Then we can seek out more trash for public self-humiliation. The people seem to love it and it gets more approval these days.
    As far as how different are we from other nations goes, read up the American civil war, and how half their nation actually fought to continue slavery. How long did it take from slavery to the first black being allowed on a public bus? The French revolution, where people’s throats were slit by mobs if the cloth they were wearing was found embroidered. I’m not justifying the sialkot acts. I’m telling you this because, we’re still a lot better off and have a living breathing conscience and there’s hope.Recommend

  • Aug 29, 2010 - 4:54PM

    indeed Great Anylsis,
    frist time seen a great anylsis by a Howard graduate.Peoples like Gorge Fluton always agaist Pak and Muslims and what they trying to prove
    Writter please sugesst him
    WW1 2 Million killed,
    WW2 3 Million Killed,

    About several millions killed in afganistan Iraq sepratly in last few years why dont thy can wrrite on the same
    Caused they only Baised with us Recommend

  • Maryam
    Aug 29, 2010 - 5:12PM

    Excellent article Mehreen…. feels good to know that we still have some people in this country who speak up and speak up with facts and care enough to fight back when filth against the country is published!
    thumbs up!!Recommend

  • Hasan
    Aug 29, 2010 - 5:23PM

    Yes we are cockroaches. Fasi was right.

    Arrest over Pakistan-England Test cricket ‘betting scam’

    The News of the World alleges that Pakistani players were secretly paid to deliberately bowl no-balls during the match.

    http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/924349/Cricket-in-the-dock-as-we-expose-betting-scandal-England-Pakistan-Test.html

    Recommend

  • Imad Hameed Khan
    Aug 29, 2010 - 7:36PM

    Finally someone spoke up for the ‘good’ of the few rather than the ‘bad’ of the many. What people need to remember is that there are a few big fishes in the pond that are making the entire water dirty.We need to be positive,be aware and know that even if our past is full of darkness and our hearts full of regrets, we need to move on and reinvent our future.very well written Mahreen Khan.Recommend

  • Hassan Manzar
    Aug 29, 2010 - 8:23PM

    @Hasan
    Don’t bring that unverified story here. Read other newspapers. Its a story run by a British Tabloid. That alone speaks a lot for its veracity. You might not be aware of their reputation.
    Every newspaper is quoting the story as ‘allegedly’. A word that is used in almost every sentence. The videos are without timestamps. The pictures are without exif data. Its an accusation with sensation. Nothing more, unless its verified.
    Check another British news agency and the words they use:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11122388Recommend

  • mahwesh bilal
    Aug 29, 2010 - 8:29PM

    ts nice to live in Utopia, but just look at the Pakistan cricket team honey! We constantly surprise ourselves by attaining new lows! And then vehmently ignore the reality with our ‘optimism’. Pakistan is neither the first nor the last nation gone wrong, but denying that it has gone wrong is as self destructive and delusional as is self pity and self loathing. Besides in a democratic Pakistan people should have the gutts to express view points without judging or being judged.Recommend

  • Neshmiya
    Aug 29, 2010 - 9:03PM

    Two words: Thank You.Recommend

  • zainab
    Aug 29, 2010 - 10:56PM

    There are good people and bad ones too.. everywhere in this world. .I dont think there’s any point in arguing about that although at the same time ,its not wrong to oppose the act of assuminhg as to what kind of people pakistanis are just on the basis of what a mob of people did out there.
    But what is needed of all the pakistanis is to actually rise against this barbarity. .and that can never be done just by telling how sorry you are or how horrible you think this incident was. .it can actually be done by choosing those people to be in power who can actually prevent any such thing happening in the country and even if it does happen,can provide justice to those who suffer and punish the wrongdoers in such a way that anything of this kind is prevented and taken care of in the future. ..and that power rests and will always do with the people. .its just about using it at the right time in the right way. .Recommend

  • AmaaN
    Aug 29, 2010 - 10:58PM

    Nature may overlook individual sins. But when nations commit sin it renders its harsh punishment. No nation is immune to such punishment. There are no exceptions to this law of requital. What one sows is what one reaps. Engaging in blame game is simply a waste of time.Recommend

  • hammad
    Aug 29, 2010 - 11:05PM

    @Umar farooq – “since you are a harvard graduate you have a lot in common with the average pakistani” – George Fulton is an Englishman and Fassi is an Oxford Graduate working for the british council – so Umar your point is just irrelevant.Recommend

  • Shazia
    Aug 29, 2010 - 11:09PM

    @Mahwish : Honey! They are allegations and you’re assuming they are guilty is just as unjust as the Sialkot lynch mob assuming the boys were guilty. You are displaying the same lack of consideration. the tabloid press is notorious for “sting operations” – and remember the ridiculous allegations that the team were involved in “murder” of Bob Wollmer in 2007 when in fact he died of natural causes.

    You guys are in utopia – unwilling to see the deliberate targeting of Pakistan. Every country has faults – ours are magnified and presented to the wholeworld. Others arent.

    I agree with the article- excellent, sensible and logical arguments.Recommend

  • Sheheryar
    Aug 29, 2010 - 11:11PM

    It’s amazing how quickly Pakistanis will believe the worst about their own. The same people who claim to be the liberal ones are now gloating over the cricket scandal. That means you dont have any sincerity for Pakistan.Recommend

  • Neelesh
    Aug 29, 2010 - 11:15PM

    @Anoop – I disagree with you and am tired of India Shining tyoes like you. India has such degrading poverty and massive discrimination at all levels against Dalits, Christians and Muslims. We have no right to sling mud at Pakistan. Please. Our own society is crumbling under the weight of corruption too. And Gujrat was rightly mentioned in the article as it was doen under the eyes and with collusion of the policemen.

    I think the western media deliberately targets developing (non white) countries. You cannot deny it.Recommend

  • Usman
    Aug 29, 2010 - 11:25PM

    I think you missed the point of those authors …we always have some excuse what we did and never accepted our mistakes…..how long we will be lying to our selves? how long we will be closing our eyes by looking at problems…some day we need to address them……Recommend

  • Hassan Manzar
    Aug 29, 2010 - 11:32PM

    True that the cricket team doesn’t give us much joy, given that we’re a country where coming second in a world cup is treated as defeat.
    The context is not the performance of the cricket team, its about an allegation. The difference here is synonymous to fact and fiction. Just because we hit new lows very often, doesn’t mean that a third rate tabloid can run a smear campaign against us. The story is “alleged” and the worst part is, look who’s cheering the tabloid on! Where’s the self-respect gone?
    It isn’t about living in utopia, its about owning your defeats and victories, in this case, reclaiming them.Recommend

  • Mudassir Fida
    Aug 29, 2010 - 11:34PM

    Thank you so much for writing this. As this intellectual mob needs to be countered.Recommend

  • Ashutosh
    Aug 29, 2010 - 11:37PM

    “Thanks the writer of this blogs who gives examples of other countries that made mistakes. – Wise people learn from their mistakes but wiser people learn from others mistakes.”

    “Thanks the writer of other two blogs. – Accept constructive criticism in a positive manner. It only shows that the giver cares.”

    Remember you have freedom of choice but not freedom of consequences, so make your choices carefully.

    All the quotes are of Mr. Shiv Khera. I take no credit for them.Recommend

  • arif
    Aug 30, 2010 - 12:19AM

    @Hassan Manzar – totally agree with your points.

    Excellent article – no matter how well intentioned the two guys were they were displaying racist reasoning and used abusive language for a nation. The point about how black people were subjected to the same treatment is not tackled by any of fassi and george’s defenders. No matter what the ills in our society NO ONE has the righ to demean our nation or country. Criticism is NOT the same as abuse and racial stereotyping.Recommend

  • Anoop
    Aug 30, 2010 - 12:26AM

    @Neelesh,

    “I disagree with you and am tired of India Shining tyoes like you.”

    –> Assumption is such a bi*. You are accusing me of something I’ve not talked about at all. I dont know which line of my comment suggests that I am ignoring the poverty in India or its other negatives.

    I simply said our basic principles of which our constitution is a symbol does not discriminate against ANYONE. Please correct me if I am wrong. Our constitution is among the best in the world.Recommend

  • Javaid Iqbal Banday
    Aug 30, 2010 - 1:00AM

    To say the least, Sialkot incident has been condemned by every individual and justice would surely emerge as victorious in this particular case. But a more potent question that requires us to pause and ponder is whether other incidents of similar or less guresome nature “were” or “are” or “will be” given the same importance by media, government and people? In the present case, the only difference that I find between Pakistani Society and a Western one is that if the similar lynching were being carried out in public in any country of the West no one would have interfered or stayed there. The public standing aside was not aware of the real situation. I personally fix the entire responsibility on the Police which not only acted as a silent spectator but also gave a misleading impression to the public standign there that whatever was going on was under their supervision.Western media has vested interests as it links every such incident with the war on terror, that is awful! Recommend

  • Shehryar Syed
    Aug 30, 2010 - 4:01AM

    I do not know what mr. fulton has wrote. Neither i care. However what mr. zaka has wrote was an eye opener to the facts that we already know yet we do not pay any heed to.
    Neither i care about the “burger” mentality of the people that blame those barbaric beasts and gave them the name Pakistanis.
    The matter of fact is none of us has any courage and intentions to go and bring those people to justice. Even i was part of those protests but deep down i know nothing is going to happen. No matter how much we scream for justice we know that these people will end up being free.
    You may be right but even then do you think mr. zaka will stop writing such articles or mr. fulton will stop blaming the Pakis for everything. The answer is no.
    The people who play this blame game are always having someone to watch their back. Individually no one will even want to listen them. Its not just Pakistan, the whole world has the same story going on. We may be civilized, may have built skyscrapers but we will always be divided into hunters and prey.Recommend

  • ahmed
    Aug 30, 2010 - 4:08AM
  • ahmed
    Aug 30, 2010 - 4:15AM

    @anoop

    please don’t group India with “West”. West is something that one should look upto. India on the other hand with a staggering poverty rate of 43% is known as slum capital of the world, where people go on killing sprees against minorities. They are two different worlds. India can at best be compared with sub-saharan africa.

    And you can read about the tamil insurgency or the baloch liberation army to get information about which country is funding what. The CIA is famous for funding rogue organizations like the mujahidin in the 80s. I think every country does that, so stop being so delusional.Recommend

  • Asim
    Aug 30, 2010 - 4:35AM

    Thank you for your this reply to the much hurting article by george. we must resist and marginalize these new generation of writers which in order to gain cheap popularity can write stupid things and most of our – too much impressed from the western criticism – friends who can not bother to think themselves immediately start appreciating these material. we need people like mahreen khan who should address those writers and educate our people who are getting fond of these low class writers.Recommend

  • ZBK
    Aug 30, 2010 - 5:49AM

    The statement in the last para “..When the rule of law is eroded, men, irrespective of race, turn into an unruly mob …” speaks a thousand words for most of the barbaric actions taken in the history whether using the law when having absolute power, or abrogating it with no fear of getting prosecuted. We can see the torture equipment in British museums used against their opponents or enemies. We see the conduct of British when they were absolute power in the subcontinent. Today also we see the same mindest of accusing, carrying out a short public trial (or no trial), and delivering punishment to our personal satisfaction whether Israel carrying out operations against human aid workers, Americans running Guantanamo Bay prison, so-called Taliban exploding and killing innocent people in the name of Islam, or Serb christians killing Bosnian muslims. In all the incidences there is a mindset of being above-the-law. It also shows that the mindset has nothing to do with lack of education or faith of the followers. In Pakistan the scary part is the promotion of the mindset in the name of fairness and justice. In the name of freedom of media, channels and newspapers are marketing bleeding bodies of every crime and terrorist act to add spice to their reporting. Every talk show is hungry to run a media trial and announce sentence. Barbarism is now being promoted without understanding the damage we are doing to our society. If we compile blogs on news items, or the participants on facebook where nobody gets prosecuted, we can see how violent we are in our expression, how hungry we are to pass our decision and kill our opponent in a way which can cool down our hatred…..these are all educated intolerant people. Intolerance becomes only affordable when there is no fear of law.Recommend

  • Sadeed A Malik
    Aug 30, 2010 - 6:12AM

    Mahreen, you have analysed correctly. Should Americans be called a nation of assassins, because they killed two of their Presidents (Kennedy and Abraham Lincoln) and attempts on Reagan etc…Americans killed a few millions of Red Indians….. And recently In America they had campus shoot outs, and have we forgotten…… Oklahoma Bombing etc etc etc . No we do not call Americans as a nation of murderers because they realise and condemn all that I have narrated. In the way to improve and be better, first thing is one has to realise and condemn the bad. That National remorse was the realisation and becoming a better people is round the corner……Recommend

  • fatima
    Aug 30, 2010 - 8:09AM

    applause…..brilliantly spoken…i had read those articles and wondered if that was what we have been reduced to—a self accusing nation. when u say sadistic u r bang on the target. im so pleased to have this gush of fresh soothing air…BRAVO.Recommend

  • Rabia Khan
    Aug 30, 2010 - 9:28AM

    “Using the horrific Sialkot killings, these “western, liberal” columnists have labelled all Pakistanis as “degenerates” and “barbaric”, hurling abusive and shameful generalisations to justify a verbal lynching of Pakistan, its culture and people.”

    I am delighted that your experience from living and educating in the West like myself has widen your horizons to see beyond the perspectives of some very narrow minded Western Liberals that are spreading the paranoia of Pakistan’s Failure as a Nation and Humans. I live in London, a city known for its “Sophistication”, “Civilization” and “Humanitarian Acts”, yet only I as a citizen know the murky, dirty facts about the city of “BIG BEN TOWER”. Some may find this very amusing but even us Londoners don’t have immunity against violent acts of crime committed by the commoners, we also have youth killing and recording their victims and the Police not ever being where they need to be. At least in Pakistan a murderer is occasionally caught and sentenced to death. Here in the UK, the home of “Human Rights”, an eighteen month old known as Baby P, was repeatedly battered, boxed and abused until each bone in his body was broken, and eventually killed after weeks of abuse from his keepers. The killers sentenced for two and a half years and a little community service. Not far from where I work, a boy was stabbed by a youth mob, in broad daylight, for no apparent reason, the killer; a seventeen year old caught and transferred to juvenile jail. There have been fourteen incidents of youth killing and mobile video recording in the span on one week, right in the heart of the Capital of England. These killings do not include cannibalism, drug crimes, bank frauds, robberies, battering of elderlies and the vulnerable members of society for their belongings, car theft, family feuds, rape and kidnapping that seems to be in the local news each week. It is a jungle out here, but the tale of these internal crimes and warfare never reach the headlines of the National papers, let alone the international Media. The people of this country, don’t bat an eyelid over these stories, look at the reaction of Pakistani nations, it’s a blessing. We need more columnists that can write as you have so than the reader may establish, be that as it may, their sanity is still intact.Recommend

  • Rabia Khan
    Aug 30, 2010 - 9:44AM

    British Tabloids are no strangers to lawsuits of “Liables”, We almost always regard them a source of amuzement and entertainment while traveling to work by tubes in mornings or to check out the latest Celeb Gossip. They will always use the term “Alleged” to stear clear off the “Liable”. Now is a good time for them to do a Pakistan story, since its the hot topic and a fantastic source of increase in sales. You can call yourself a cockroach or a beetle I couldn’t careless but I know better than to let a paranoid and biased article make that decision for me, thank you. Recommend

  • Adrian
    Aug 30, 2010 - 10:12AM

    Absolutely wnderful analysis. This is very very sharp thinking and eloquently expressed article. The best I have read on Express Tribune so far Kudos t the author!Recommend

  • Fahad
    Aug 30, 2010 - 11:44AM

    outstanding!!Recommend

  • SGH
    Aug 30, 2010 - 12:10PM

    It is an interesting piece of article. Being righteously affronted by one piece of writing is a bit immature, especially if it comes from a legally educated person. Your arguments that men of any ethnicity, nationality and religion can behave barbarically is acceptable. But when you talk about Pakistan, why is it that you compare ethnic cleansing in Pakistan with what happened to people of Palestine and Israel or for that matter what occurred in Gujarat? You should confine yourself with what happens in Pakistan? why are you justifying what happens in your country by comparing it to what happens elsewhere? There is a lot that can be said about the atrocities that have been inflicted upon Hindus, Christians and members of other religion by Islamic Nations. Why is it that I never see a Muslim stand up and protest against killings of non-Muslims by Muslims anywhere? I honestly am at a loss to understand why Blasphemy laws, still continue to be applied in Pakistan and please do not say that these laws have any other purpose barring the persecution of Non-Muslims, including Ahmadis & condoning their lynching at the hands of the righteous Muslims. If you want the world to have empathy and sympathy for Muslims then equally Muslims need to exhibit the same vis-a-vis people of other religions. If you want to change your country and its citizens for the better then I would suggest that you have both heart and conscience to honestly analyse the plague that hounds the Pakistani society, the religious propaganda perpetuated by the state and clerics..You need to see the problem for what it is, Warts and all. You cannot selectively choose to suit your affronted nationalistic emotions.Recommend

  • Eeman
    Aug 30, 2010 - 12:19PM

    This girl really PAWNED. Recommend

  • Raza Niazi
    Aug 30, 2010 - 1:06PM

    Excellent Mahreen. I didnt give much attention to the columns, full of distorted facts, of these sadists. But what was pinching for me is the response of readers to that columns. Alas! when we will come out of inferiority complex?Recommend

  • SGH
    Aug 30, 2010 - 1:30PM

    By the way Kudos to the Pakistanis who have the Strength of Character and Moral Fibre to be able to assess their own drawbacks. Had the youth of Pakistan undergone such an introspection from the very start, Pakistan would have truly been a great, prosperous and respected nation. It takes a lot to admit that one’s faults, it is always easier to remain in denial..Liberalism is far better than radicalism and bigotry..Recommend

  • ali
    Aug 30, 2010 - 2:27PM

    how about a little less comparison of depraved behaviour, and just a bit more social introspection. Just b/c the jews, the hutus and tutsis did it doesn’t make it any more acceptable. We need to stop deflecting, and apologizing for the actions of sialkot and start fixing the underlying disfunctions of our society. to say that it was done to us before partition doesn’t make it justified or take the blame of us.for the very reason that it was done to us, we should never do it to each other.
    I am sorry an exceptionally purile and simplistic take on things. Recommend

  • zaigham
    Aug 30, 2010 - 3:20PM

    pls be easy on fulton, however you can roll zaka to all you hearts intent…Recommend

  • Aug 30, 2010 - 3:54PM

    Most of the Posts as comments especially by those who are continuosly cursing and bashing Pakistan and behvior of our people in releavnce to Islam are as a matter of fact not doing so because they hate and condemn that Lynching act but basically they are doing so beacuse they are taking this whole event as an easy excuse and so convenient an opportunity to vent out their own personal hidden hatered and nauseating dispel against Pakistan and also against Islam. language and wordings of most of the posts portraying their displeasure not on the actual incident but they are lashing on merely three words Pakistan Pakistani and Muslim. They are trying to tell us As if this country Pakistan was not supposed to be made for living of Humans but for living of Angels and Messihaas. Those cynical and sick minds are completly ignoring the fact that PAKISTAN is a part of world community on the very same earth and does’nt exist in isloation somewhere in skys. Like any other country and people Pakistan and Pakistani is living equally in the same natural influence and process of Virtue & Vice.
    My Friends, You dont measure countries and people merely by their Achievements and behavior But to a greater extent by their Potential. Potential is Something Possible but not yet as Actual. People blessed with Virtue and with Education Knowledge Skills and wisdom are there in society with the Possibility to make it Actual. People in Vice, Ignorants and ills in Society are like Weed and Weed you know is a useless plant that spoils the soil but still it’s green, flowery and colorfull. I think no matter how wild it is but Weed still is a natural plant, Its only that the Virtue of weed is not yet discovered. Realy good Gardeners always try to convert the soil of weeds into plants of Roses and Dasies. Same is the role Wise people in society. But Dilemma of our educated class is that they consider themselves as Elits of society rathet than as Care Takers. In self pride of their education, knowledge, awareness and wisdom they disconnect themselves from their origin. One of my elder used to tell me: In Pakistan every person having a Car does’nt know how to drive, Every person who has the money does’nt know how to spend and that everyone who so calling himself Educated does’nt know how to apply that education. Simply Capitalising your ownselves on that Education is not the real application of Education and Wisdom that you actually owe to your own society your country and your people. Recommend

  • Inam Hameed
    Aug 30, 2010 - 5:01PM

    Mehreen, your rebuttal holds no water because you seem to have virtually missed the premise of Fasi. You better focus on his satire and figurative meanings. I endorse Fasi’s articles in its entirety that we as a nation has become a repugnant creature. Your article reflects jingoistic holier-than-thou attitude that alone makes a good recipe of self-destruction. Why do you flatly deny the facts that we as a nation have corrupted ourselves from head to toe. Recommend

  • Aug 30, 2010 - 5:36PM

    Brilliant column Mahreen.

    You highlighted the vilification of Pakistan, Pakistanis and all things Pakistanis by a section of Pakistanis very aptly named the ‘liberal lynch mob’, and their Western counterparts, as part of a ‘lunch mob mentality of praying on the weak’, perfectly.

    That is precisely what it is – most Western commentators find all sorts of nauseating excuses for the brutal actions of States like Israel, US and India, while denigrating weaker States in the developing world with whom their nations do not have great long term economic or strategic interests.Recommend

  • Khizar Ali Khan
    Aug 30, 2010 - 5:47PM

    Well written Mehreen Khan! Those two articles that you have talked about got me real angry…and what was more disturbing was people applauding the two for their great work!Recommend

  • Usman
    Aug 30, 2010 - 7:35PM

    Above article reflects a benchmark in quality writing. It is the evidence that when you really speak the voice of your people, and good people, then they generously admire you. I’m one among the army of your admirers :)Recommend

  • Mustafa
    Aug 30, 2010 - 8:10PM

    Your retort has indeed infused fresh air in the gloomy atmosphere.Recommend

  • Khan
    Aug 30, 2010 - 9:29PM

    Bravo.Recommend

  • Bangash
    Aug 31, 2010 - 12:58AM

    Miss Mahreen Khan goes into denial and diversion mode in order to cover up corruption, lies, fraud, murder and stupidity that is the norm in Pakistan. That is the attitude that had brought Pakistan to ruin, simply ignoring everything bad and going off into self-congratulation.Recommend

  • Aug 31, 2010 - 4:25AM

    Mehreen, having Pakistanis bury their heads in the sand is not going to solve any problems – its time Pakistanis took charge of their own futures by taking responsibility for themselves and their own actionsRecommend

  • kalim
    Aug 31, 2010 - 9:47AM

    Barrister! please go and get some pro bono for the needy. You dont have the right to waste the seat of law college/university like this. Leave this Ac, coffee, PC and light music to the professional journalists to enjoy while they write a column or blog trying to bring a revolution. This is kalim khan reporting, swimming in the middle of Indus with five families on shoulder trying hard to save them.Recommend

  • Aug 31, 2010 - 10:16AM

    MS KHAN
    God bless you. You have made absolutly a right and positive use of your personal education wisdom and enlightened mind. These are the times that try human souls. God adjudges the value of human souls in such moments of crises no matter how prolonged they are. Sunshine patriots fueled with bitterness will abondon to shrink from the services of their country but those who keep themselves composed enough to stand afirm on their soil will deserve the love and thanx of their people. Ms. Khan, Cherish we must to our people not for their ability to comfort and amuse us but for our own ability to comfort and amuse them. Those big mouths with poisnous tongues must abondon this country for the country’s sake. So that all those left bhind can say to our soil..”Our Grief Our Smile always begin in your face, my homeland” Recommend

  • Haris Farooq
    Aug 31, 2010 - 11:25AM

    Very nice article. I appreciate your balanced views.Recommend

  • Wajih Khattak
    Aug 31, 2010 - 12:37PM

    Great effort by the author, very patriotic but denying the truth. I would not agree totally with Fasi or Mr. Fulton but I do understand why they have been so critical about the Sialkot mob murder. Most of us, before this accident, defended the Pakistan nation as being a victim to generalization which was based on the few occasions and few groups of people, but the Sialkot incident proved that the generalization about Pakistani nation being barbaric, brutal and most of all ignorant and illiterate people is correct. We saw common people beating those kids to death with our law standing their like a total stooge, if that’s not enough I don’t think we can ever be a civilized nation. It is about time we realize that we need major changes in our society and that can’t be done without articles from such authors, not that I praise the articles or the author but we do need them now. I am sure I can say this to be true that 99% of Pakistani would not want their children to grow up in this country and 90% of those who have lived here, spent their childhood in Pakistan too would want to get out of this country.
    The only criticism I have on this article is that the Author is trying to tell us that everything is alright and will become better but I and many of Pakistani don’t think this will happen. The situation is getting worse day by day. First it used to be foreign policies of western countries hurting this nation, than came the Taliban (now a synonym of terrorist), still we had hope as these were not from among us, but after watching how those 2 brothers were killed by we as a nation I don’t think something better can happen to this nation in the future, unless we take this matter so seriously and look at it the way Fasi and Fulton have. Once again I am not saying that we have to agree with what they wrote, leave alone praising them but we have to agree that we as a nation needed that slap.Recommend

  • Waqas Ahmed
    Aug 31, 2010 - 4:07PM

    Great response to Mr. George FultonRecommend

  • Aug 31, 2010 - 5:02PM

    Very well said. Bravo !Recommend

  • Aug 31, 2010 - 7:40PM

    Well said. But note there are still idiots out there clinging to the darkness (SG e.g). I wonder if these folks even understand what you have written in your article.

    I am very proud of you. So – thank you!Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Aug 31, 2010 - 10:09PM

    Wellwritten article. yes, they were gross over generalizations but havent we always given everybody the perfect opportunity to verbally flay us on the international stage. Hell, this time we gave ourselves an opportunity to spit on ourselves. Foreign agendas are there, they will always be; but every country has its own share of crap ! Guess what , so do we ! We need to pick ourselves up (stop begging from everyone), dust our pants (remove vermin that we call our leaders) and start walking !!

    FarooqiRecommend

  • Abdul
    Sep 1, 2010 - 1:19AM

    Instead of producing examples of other atrocities committed in this world, to make Pakistanis feel just like any other nation (!!!), we really should acknowledge our own flawed morality at this time. Insight is the first step towards correction… Recommend

  • Ayesha
    Sep 1, 2010 - 2:16AM

    Finally a sensible and articulate response to a very “arrogant” and confused article by Mr. Zaka! Great job Mehreen!

    While I believe everybody has a right to their opinion but I am beginning to get tired of this shaming/blaming game where the “people” of Pakistan are bashed constantly! Where we are constantly told to be ashamed of ourselves…and sometimes by people who have yet to prove themselves to even themselves!

    I do understand the gentleman’s response and frustration AND yes as citizens we are responsible for what’s happening around us BUT please let’s not tie the horses and mules together all the time!

    Even if for the sake of argument we agree with what he says then my question is HOW DO WE PUT IT RIGHT?? WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?? Its easy to went your anger and point out the problems and issues and tell people what they should think of themselves BUT I want to know WHAT IS THE SOLUTION??

    Maray hue ko aur kitna marna hai! And btw this constant negativity and pessimism doesn’t help people to get motivated, or to change, or get up and do something! In times of disaster (earthquake & floods) when the ordinary people rise to the occasion then why would they not in other times too??

    they would only if we could bring them together as a nation! or at least group them together! Give them a vision, encourage them and support them, rally around them. and this happens with only good leadership! The state has to play its role too! It takes 2 to tango and in our case it has always taken 3! the “democratic govt” needs to play a more vital role than it has over the years! The state has not been responsible for its citizens in Pakistan!

    what do you expect from a already suppressed and oppressed lot whose basic survival is at stake all the time! I am not saying or advocating the fact that we should be absolved of any responsibility as citizens or humans but please stop telling me constantly that i should be ashamed of being a Pakistani because i am NOT! And i am certainly not a cockroach!

    “rotten to every brain stem” he says, well then the question is who is responsible for ensuring education in Pakistan??

    The problem I see with his article is that he has also confused the role of the state, citizens, politicians, army, judiciary etc AND he is certainly oblivious to the role of the civil society in Paksitan, maybe its not been loud enough but it has certainly had an impact in changing laws, policies and status of its citizens esp women!
    And if the only solution he has offered is “Truth is, there is only one way to get change, and it’s not hanging the people who killed these boys. It is raising your voice to contradict people who advocate death for others….Sounds easy? Well just try it.”
    If change came ONLY by raising voices…then millions of people in UK & USA demonstrated against the Iraq invasion….and the rest is history! Recommend

  • Giest4life
    Sep 1, 2010 - 3:03AM

    Basically, here’s what your argument against self-loathing is: “they did it, too!”

    First time I decided to venture on Pakistani website, and this retarded rant is what I got. Recommend

  • jawad
    Sep 1, 2010 - 8:47AM

    oh thank god some one just spoke for us too…excellent article…agreed 1000000%….these guyz fulton and fasi..after reading thier articles i was wondering that these guyz were already full of anger againt pakistan..they just needed and reason and they just blaubed it out..comparing history and people’s attitude with MAULA jutt thats hilarious i guess.and its a disgrace to our fore fathers too who were the victims of the blood shed.and look at their fore seeing and kind of their hope too..that we were and will be barbrist..damn thats too harsh and cowrd to say.and i guess that fusi and george both forget while writting these articles that they are pakistani too.and they equally share the reposibility of changing this nation by prcatically joining government institutes rather than just by writing articles to deteriorate our minds.Recommend

  • Ayesha
    Sep 1, 2010 - 8:50AM

    Mehreen and all the fans of this article! Stay in fools paradise until an angry mob comes and kills you or you become a part of such a mob. Recommend

  • Haris Chaudhry
    Sep 1, 2010 - 9:26AM

    What a hodge podge of patriotic and non-sensical response to those that want us to take responsibility of our own worst deeds as a nation.. Unless we understand what is wrong with us, take full responsibility and agree that we are the number 1 nation globally for having worst reputation and being in the news for all the worst reasons, nothing will change.

    You can put as much gloss over our communal failure to protect our citizens from ourselves, to spread hate and violence in the name of religion, to kill and maim our own in the name of honour and to export terrorism globally, but the truth is that the world sees us for who we truly are..

    We are Mehreen Aziz Khan of Harvard a shameless group of Punjabis, Sindhis, Balochis, Mohajirs, Pathans, Shias, Sunnis, Barelvis, deobandis, and not Pakistanis…

    We are our own worst enemies and dont need Harvard educated people to tell us any different. Let us feel the scum that we are only so that we realise that we need to wake up and become a different people.

    Please , stop pretending that we are not WRONG and for Gods sake accept the responsibility for being a global migraine of a nation. Only then we will plot a course that gets us away from the filth that we currently find ourselves in..Recommend

  • Quratulain Ahmed
    Sep 1, 2010 - 4:44PM

    Good Response Mehreen! Recommend

  • SP
    Sep 1, 2010 - 4:46PM

    I couldn’t disagree with you more though you might be eloquent in saying what you have said. We need to stop congratulating ourselves for actually reacting to Sialkot incident, the truth is Pakistanis are intolerant and a cruel nation. There are no human rights, the only people who have the rights are the people with power and money and this gives them the right over anything that any other Pakistani have. We as a nation never faced the level of barbarism and cruelty in our society head on rather than feel sorry for ourselves and its exactly your kind of delusional patriotism that prevents people from this self evaluation. Partition was a voilent period and it should be accepted as such rather than us making excuses for it, regardless of the catalyst for such reactions. Likewise the atrocities and the constant discrimation aimed at Ahmadis, Christains etc should be acknowledged for what they are and these people should recieve justice. or else if you breed intolerance in a society then what goes around comes around….Recommend

  • Kamran
    Sep 1, 2010 - 7:28PM

    Expecting a muted response from a sane citizen of Pakistan over Sialkot tragedy is extremely insensitive. I just wonder what exactly this columnist response was on this tragedy. Today the victims have been rendered innocent from a judicial inquiry. ‘The bad among us are as bad as any other nation in the world’, does that justify being that inhuman and barbaric? ‘We are war-torn, flood-ravaged and poor’, does that justify killing people on the streets under false assumption?
    We as a nation are answerable for even a single drop of blood that’s shed in injustice. We can’t just hide and delude ourselves and keep the inhumane among us nourishing on our insensitivity. Let’s just ask to ourselves, aren’t all of us playing our silent part in the erosion of our social fabric? Yes, each one of us and above all columnists like this one who are tapping into the ‘reverse sympathy wave’ and encouraging indifference.Recommend

  • ahmed
    Sep 1, 2010 - 9:56PM

    great … best article, great rebuttal Recommend

  • Usman Ghani Rathore
    Sep 1, 2010 - 11:55PM

    As of I am commenting, I can see on TV News for another such act; three blasts near “Gammy Shah”, Bhaati Gate, Lahore. It was another Sectarian attack on Motherland, killing many and injuring many to procure Justice turned into revenge later. Lashkar-e-Jhangvi claimed responsibility of this irresponsible and rasict act. Its very hard to be a Shepherd, and be an optimistic, when injustice speaks louder than reason and sensibility.

    Those who are living in Pakistan, and watching the blood color- it has been really hard for them to act sane. Most definitely, expression is inspired by the environment, I myself feel I’m mentally ill of the scenario, counting people dying everyday, some become a headline and some even worth not being.

    Fasi & George, have an expression, and thus they write their stance, Punjab has a blood history but legitimizing it is not a sane act.Recommend

  • Farnaz
    Sep 2, 2010 - 2:44AM

    A very good rebuttal to all the negative publications against Pakistan….Pakistan Zindabad!Recommend

  • Taimur Ali Ahmed
    Sep 2, 2010 - 10:23AM

    Yes, lets keep telling ourselves we are not that bad. Do you not see where this has got us?Recommend

  • Imran Ahmed
    Sep 2, 2010 - 3:47PM

    A VERY good column. God bless the writer.Recommend

  • mak
    Sep 2, 2010 - 3:50PM

    well written and introspective piece.Recommend

  • Zahida Shahid
    Sep 3, 2010 - 7:00PM

    Excellent,very possitive,Well done.Recommend

  • Zahida Shahid
    Sep 3, 2010 - 7:02PM

    Excellent,Very Possitive,Well done,And Keep it up.Recommend

  • Sairah
    Sep 4, 2010 - 8:51PM

    what is this so called positivity going to achieve for you? we have been chanting Pakistan zindabaad and feeling good about ourselves for decades and look where it has got us. Despite your Harvard education I am afraid you cannot appreciate the subtleties of allegorical prose may be we should lament the state Harvard has come to. Recommend

  • Rana Rasheed
    Sep 5, 2010 - 1:28AM

    People need to calm down.Because if there is a singular theme in what happened in Sialkot to what is happening on this forum, its that we are a “JAZBAATI(emotional)” people.
    What was witnessed in Sialkot was mob-frenzy, that albeit had various reasons behind it, like individuals frustrated with poverty, feeling depraved seeing images of the good life on their television sets, that they would never attain. But mostly it was mob-justice, a phenomena that reigns in every society where law-and-order is basal and corruptible, and people would rather not register FIRs because they feel that the law-enforcers are bigger crooks than the criminals who robbed them. This should be a wake up call to better our law enforcement.
    There are plenty of degenerates and demented people in Pakistan, but sweeping generalizations that declare all as “cockroaches” are simply deplorable. The fact that an incident like this is evoking such a vociferous response shows that we are not dead inside.
    Have some self-esteem guys, our nation has a long way to go.Recommend

  • Anonymous
    Sep 5, 2010 - 5:07AM

    Thank you Mahreen for writing such an excellent article. Hats off to you!!Recommend

  • Faisal
    Sep 5, 2010 - 5:15AM

    Accurate rebuttal to pseudo intellectuals
    Hats off to MahreenRecommend

  • mario
    Sep 5, 2010 - 5:33PM

    Those articles you have been criticizing are simply explaining the current situation and circumstances the way those journalists have seen it. I personally admire the way they were written as they were genuine and without an effort to pleasing anyone. On the other hand your article doesn’t contain any substance. Simply reading others articles and comment on them just for the sake of writing is not exactly a good journalism….and please don’t compare us with Rwanda or any other country that lives below par and try to feel good about yourself as nation.

    Seriously, 2 young boys were brutally killed by an angry mob and everybody watched it…you really don’t feel like a human cockroach???? Seriously shame on us….but any how my comments are not here to defend others article….they don’t really need defense as they were written on merit.Recommend

  • Muneeb
    Sep 6, 2010 - 2:47AM

    Please don’t criticize the articles for their intent and message. I agree that equating the partition with bloodlust and drawing a connection from that to the present state of Pakistan is not sane, but as for the rest of the message, it is absolutely true. We are a degenerate, comatose nation that has stopped reacting except by saying “hawww” and “toba astaghfaar” and cringing. What the hell are we going to accomplish by that? And Sohni Dharti and Pak Sar Zameen are not going to cut it. We are not in Sohail Rana’s program from the sixties, holding hands and singing patriotic songs is not going to fix our problems. We are going to fix these problems if we have the ghairat to rise up and say we are not going to stand for any nonsense that goes against the innate values/morals of this society…if there are any! We are a nation of corrupt people who refuse to pay the token money of Rs.10 at entry points and get into arguments with the guards. We bribe shamelessly. We have created the monsters that stood in Buttar that day and cracked open two innocent boys’ skulls. And we are standing, silently, letting the extremely competent police force and judiciary decide how this drama will unfold. What will it take for you to agree that we are acting like some kind of insect, even if not cockroaches. Isn’t it time you should be writing for the CJ to dole out an exemplary sentence, and rallying the public to write to their MNAs/MPAs, call up all news channels non-stop, and do anything else that makes our voices heard LOUD AND CLEAR all across our government that this incident cannot be washed away like its predecessors?Recommend

  • Sep 6, 2010 - 10:29AM

    You’re so very right in saying that those articles were nauseating. Thank you Mahreen for this piece and the article was so aptly named. Recommend

  • Sep 6, 2010 - 12:48PM

    Dear Mehreen,
    To be honest with you and my country fellows, Pakistani expatriates living in UAE have gone into severe depression after viewing this worst incident on youtube and TV channels. Definitely we must defend our country, but please just think that the world knows us as one of the most corrupt nations. Our government is fighting with the judiciary. There are many reaons that we can be blamed for brutality.

    Our flood and earthquake affected people are looted by their Muslim brothers. Zakaat is taken by the rich people and the poor remain seprived. Shopkeepers and retailers have increased the prices of medicines and household items many times in the flood affected areas. We are not one nation but we are Sindhis, Punjabis, Muhajirs, Balochies and Pathans… We are sunnis, shiaas, wahaabis etc. etc. We (as a mob) can kill anyone who is innocent (without carrying out any investigation or inquiry). In Gujrat, India there was a big massacre, yet it was between Muslims and Hindus. Hindus did not kill Hindus at least. World dislikes us as we kill our daughters for our honour. We kill them just because they want to marry someone of their choice. I don’t think so our great Quaid Jinnah had struggled for Pakistan’s foundation for these things. Do you think?Recommend

  • Hira Mir
    Sep 6, 2010 - 12:53PM

    The image of Pakistanis need to be improved globally so that we can encourage the aid coming in. A secular society needs to be promoted to get our dignity back.Recommend

  • Imad Sayeed
    Sep 6, 2010 - 5:43PM

    Well done Mehreen.Presenting both sides of the gloomy international picture as opposed to the harangue of the apologists for personal acclaim cloaked in the garb of righteous indignation ,is truly praiseworthy.The Salman Rushdies of the world will always thrive by cunning connivance and these knaves by ” distorting the truth to make a trap for fools ” seek paltry material benefits by selling their consciences.Ignore them but respond to their vitriol.Recommend

  • HG
    Sep 6, 2010 - 7:00PM

    Mehreen is right both these guys have gone overboard. Comparisons don’t play out as people are the same the world over no matter the color of their skins.Circumstances are what provoke people to be restrained or compel them to do horrible things. If for one moment the rich countries found that they were poor and the people jobless with little or no hope. I can with certainty say that all their tolerance, patience etc. would fly out the window and the law of the jungle would prevail.Recommend

  • Salman
    Sep 7, 2010 - 9:07AM

    Apart from the well made arguments in the article, it surly helped me in improving mine vocabulary :D Recommend

  • Sep 10, 2010 - 12:25PM

    Cant justify something wrong just because someone else’s history is also littered with it. But I think most people are missing out the point Mahreen is trying to make. There are good and bad people all around us and there is propensity for both good and evil within the same person. The first step towards realism is to come out of denial and accept the wrong that was done but the loads of cynicism, negativity and despair being spewed these days is not the answer. Let’s work out plausible solutions rather than rant.Recommend

  • Subair.M
    Sep 16, 2010 - 9:27PM

    Saira (page 2) : well said! Britain is OUTRIGHTLY RACIST AND BIGOTED, in spite of all its hype about ‘racial harmony’, ‘multi-culture’ and what not! It is all but a ploy to mask their inherent mean racist depravity that hardly dies out. We know the barbaric racial assault, abuse and even murder of South Asians there committed by depraved racist thugs and teenagers. And, they get away with nothing in their much-hyped judicial system! The police, as everyone knows, is very much racist and they turn a blind eye towards these kind of inhuman outrages. Nevertheless, they allow us in ONLY BECAUSE THEY NEED US FOR THEIR SLAVE LABOUR, WHICH NONE OF THEIR ‘PEOPLE’ WOULD DO. Otherwise, they have no love or liking for us. So, keep writing about this and let people know. Ayathollah Ali Khameini was indeed right when he said ‘Britain is evil’. Hard truth tastes bitter.Recommend

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