Persecution forces 60 Hindu families to migrate to India
Four out of the 60 families left for India during midday via Samjhota Express from Lahore Railway Station. The rest of the families are expected to travel by today.
According to Express News correspondent Aftab Bukhari, five families residing in Aatma Raam Haweli – joint residence – vacated it this morning in order to move out to India.
Bukhari said that the families had complaints that their shops were looted, their houses were raided by unknown men and their women were forcefully converted.
He said that the visas on their passports were not permanent, however, he said that chances of them coming back to Pakistan were slim.
A resident in the locality informed Express News that the families who have vacated their houses had to sell them off at half price.
Express News’ correspondent from Lahore, Naeem Qaiser, reported that the families have been planning on leaving since the last 6-8 months.
Qaiser said that the members of the four families who left for India had refused to talk to the media. However, when their relatives were approached by Express News they said that they could not endure the violence and that even moving to another province was not an option.
Migration reports just propaganda: Malik
Responding to news reports that Pakistani Hindus were being driven out of Pakistan, Interior Minister Rehman Malik dismissed the reports of migrations as propaganda.
He said that propaganda is being made at the international level about the migration of Hindus from Pakistan.
In an interview‚ he said Indian High Commission has been asked to explain why it issued visas to 250 Hindu citizens of Pakistan.
Strangely enough, Mukesh Chawla, a member of the Sindh Provincial Assembly on a Pakistan Peoples Party ticket – much like Rehman Malik, had dismissed the travel of the Hindus and explained their visas as 40 day pilgrimage travel permits.
Malik added that the DG FIA has been instructed to pursue the matter.
CM takes notice
Sindh Chief Minister Qaim Ali Shah took notice of the pleas of Hindu community and formulated a three-member committee comprising minority ministers to look into the matter.
Babu Mahesh, the representative of Hindu community in Jacobabad, has also expressed concern over the migration. He appealed to the Hindu families to take back their decision and stay in Sindh which is their “motherland”. He added that he will hold a conference in the evening to talk to the families.
Human rights activist Farzana Bari, talking to Express News, said that the issue is of a very serious nature and that the religious minorities in Pakistan do not get enough security.
“It is not easy to leave your settled life and move somewhere else. They are really afraid and this is a continuous phenomenon which we have been seeing in Sindh,” she said.
Bari maintained that it is the responsibility of the state to provide protection to its people. “What if this starts happening with Muslims in India and they migrate to Pakistan? Will we be able to give them adequate protection?”she questioned.
‘Families not migrating’
Sindh Minister for Excise and taxation Mukesh Kumar Chawla, who’s also heading the committee formed by the chief minister, denied reports that Hindu families in large numbers are migrating to India.
Talking to Express News, Chawla said, “I want to clarify this: Around 200-250 of the people leaving are going for a pilgrimage. They will come back after their 30-40 day stay.”
He admitted that there was a poor law and order situation in Sindh but the government has done everything to get rid of the problems.
When asked about families who leave on a visit visa, but apply for residence in India and stay over there, Chawla said that it was true and people did it for business purposes, “but 99% of the people come back”.
He added that the three-member committee will go to Jacobabad tomorrow to investigate the matter and will present a report within 2-3 days. “Security is being provided to the minorities,” he maintained.
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@Zeeshan: When u say india is a country known 4 killing muslims christians n sikhs, u make it sound like thats all that haapens in india. And Pakistan is known for treating its minorities fairly! LOLs
@Ibrahim Afridi: How easily you are saying "Had it been that why dint they leave in past 65 years!!".. the reason is very simple: its not as easy as said!!! leaving everything behind and to start from a scratch is not easy even for a young man but with a family to support one had to take lot many things in consideration before even thinking about fleeing their nation..
Truth is nobody wants to leave their county, you can not even imagine the misery of these peoples. And yes it is a minority issue: specially with women folks, how inhumanly they are treated by muslim fanatics of pakistan, abduction, rape, physical/mental torture, kept as slave or sold to brothel.. Nobody comes forward to their rescue fearing the intolerant religious bigots. The government has not been able to protect the doomed fate of these innocent hindu girls.. every 2nd day you hear a fresh case with same old story in pakistan "a hindu girl converted to islam, married to muslim, in court surrounded by hundreds of fanctic people she says that she accepted Islam by herself, court says since she is a muslim she should stay with her husband and her parents; being kafirs can not meet her".. firing in air outside, all happy because the girl had converted to islam.. and hindu comunity is mocked and left wanted for justice ever after.
Dont you think this is an minority issue ?? Muslim women do not suffer same fate in pakistan..SO IT IS HAPPENING WITH A TARGETED MINORITY COMMUNITY AND HENCE IT IS AN MINORITY ISSUE..
@shashi
I strongly object to you comment on Indian muslims. Baring a few misguided bigots, a vast majority is just as patriotic as you and me.
However I welcome Hindus from Pakistan in India.
this true the minorities are leaving Pakistan
@Zeeshan: SAFETY
same on u pakistan......
Well people , we all have our opinions , but i would say for better or worse they did not get slaughtered just like minority groups of indian muslims residing in india .... you can shame blame religion or state for that matter but please think ....everything is provided for you online see how much hatred is there for no such reason . . Go to youtube you will find every thing there . I am glad they left in one peace as i didnt read that some one was killed . Extremest groups are every where not only in india or pakistan but all over the world , they are like parasites eating in to the core to dismantle the stability . .
Religion , Hindu , Muslim , Atheist or Christianity by heart we all know what we have been taught, peace love care . Be honest to your self , we the upcoming generation should be the saviors we have to reveal the true picture of humanity and not Playing the blame game . I love pakistan i love india i bloddy love the entire universe . As some one said i dont remember exactly who said it ( Dont gain the world and loose your soul )...
Pakistan Zindabad . . . . Vandae Mataram .
@Raj - USA: Absolute hard hitting facts. Wonder any one from Pakistan can refute?
In a recorded interview.. the leaving families said that they were going abroad for an annual religious ritual ! Dear E.T staff.. the first and foremost duty of a journalist is to (IDENTIFY THE SOURCE).. before putting it up for millions of users. Let's publish this comment too!
@Omar: a decade old incident is all that you can muster to harp about!!quite sick!!
Just think why no Indian muslim family never migrates to Pakistan.
@Zeeshan: But how many muslims r moving 2 pakistan because its a muslim majority nation? Its not just about majority or minority, these people had stayed in pakistan for 65 years despite it being a muslim majority nation Just tell me why this sudden change of thinking? Its because they had some faith in the law of the country which they late found out is not 4 them. Pakistan will solve all its problems the day people stop defending it just 4 the sake of false pride.
Welcome Home !
May the new migrants find peace in India and may their neighbours in Pakistan who did not like those few Hindus around also find peace.
@Zeeshan: And what is the role of the FC in the killings and disappearances of Balochis.Even the Supreme court cant force the FC chief to attend a summons.The PM on the other hand is summoned to Court and punished.
Really shameful for the country...Ultimately its Pakistan and not the minorities who will be the big losers in this persecution and genocide of Hindus, Christians and MuslimAhmedis and Shias in Pakistan..
I think that ET should check the validity of this news. Many indian families interviewed yesterday denied any such plan and were assertive of the fact that they were going for pilgrimage.
ET has a nag of raising sectarian and ethnic issues even where they dont exist or where there is something else of material, they would still fan such issues.
@shashi: Hahahaha.. Live with them , You Hindu Terrorist!! @vasan: & @Vikas: Shame on you Pakistan! Shame on you India. Forgot About Hindu terrorist Narendra Modi? Under whose watch 2000 Muslims were slaughtered. ? Or Kashmir. 100,000 Kashmiris Dead or disappeared. SHAME ON YOU AND YOUR INDIA. What is going on in Assam? Shame on you India. Shame on Both of you.
Lets have a deal. Let all Hindus who want to leave Pakistan and join India be given the freedom to do that and Let all Muslims who want to leave India and join Pakistan be given the freedom. If thats going to be a contest, my dear brothers you will loose drastically, coz not even one Muslim from India will ever ever want to become a Pakistani citizen, whereas all the Hindus if given a chance will settle in India. Learn to respect other religions and learn what is democracy. No use on this denial tactics.
@VINOD: "You do not want to live with any one not even brother Muslims. " I am simply aghast! There was evidently something very wrong with my post which lent itself to the kind of reaction that it attracted both from you and 1984. I apologize that your feelings were hurt because of evidently my bad language. Trust me, the intent was exactly the opposite. Go and read that comment again. Keep reading my comments and you will understand.
@rose: "they have so many hindus as doctors nurses and in all departments there enjoying high posts and salaries" they must have worked hard to become doctors and nurses anything wrong with that.
For people who are having fun reading this story. Shame on you! It's not hurting you but sooner it will because next set of infidels would be people who are getting education, Muslim girls going to school, Girls not wearing abayas, Men not having beards etc etc And one of them can be from your family too (God Forbids). Own a problem and think that its a problem that your fellow Pakistanis are facing. Don't justify their move by saying that India is better and a Hindu majority. Say Pakistan is causing some problem which these people can't tolerate. What really happened after 60 years that they suddenly decide to move? Some is really bad somewhere, within us. I know quite a few Pakistani hindus and they love Pakistan sincerely, they are honest and hardworking people. Shame on all of us.
We should ask the Hindu Families of Pakistan what problem they are facing and sort out there problems because they are the part of this country as well.
You my friends have got it wrong. The way to solve this is to move 60,000 Hindu families from India into Pakistan and even more Pakistani Muslims to India, sort of reversing Partition. That will solve the problem, truly !
@G. Din: You have said that "“We ruled you for a thousand years” is part of “vasudhaiv kutumbkam”, was it, is it or will it? Don’t be a hypocrite yourself! Get in touch with hard reality of this planet!" Dear Mr Din, Be reassured that we have got nothing against the Muslim rulers. They fought and earned their Kingdoms as per the rules of the the game of that era. We are proud and visit in millions to the places like Taj, Red fort, Fatehpur Sekri, Bijapur, Hydrabad, Mysore, Murshidabad and bow our head with reverence in front of Hazrat Bal, Ajmer Sharif,Nijamuddin, Bihar Sharif, Haji Ali. They are as much part of us as Hindu historical places or temples. We celebrate our unity in diversity. But kindly sit down in peace and ponder that are you part of the same Muslims who ruled large portions of India with out any hatred or distinction between Hindu, Muslim, Christians or Shias or Ahmedis. So do not say "We ruled you" No you never ruled us because you are not part of those great Muslims. You are product of narrow minded hate and violence, you have no tolerance. You do not want to live with any one not even brother Muslims. Dear Sir I am in touch with hard reality. Look at your mindset.
@Sunny: Don't predent to be a Pakistani...... Pathetic attempt by an Indian
@M Usama Kabbir: And I feel ashamed to be an Indian.
@Zeeshan: a national unison worry about muslim birth rates or “muslim settlers” Unless you have an endless supply of food and resources to sustain a big, uneducated, unskilled and physically unhealthy population this rhetoric is suicidal.....
Pakistan and India are one . We should coolly handle such issues and strengthen love, encourage marriages without conversion to either religion . Let us form a friends group across borders.
Welcome to the country with the Blasphemy Law!!
@cynical: One must learn from history , this quote is particularly relevant who think they are safe and it will never happen to me " First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me "
The author is Martin Niemöller who was a German Christian and he was arrested and eventually confined in Sachsenhausen and Dachau his crime was"not being enthusiastic enough about the Nazi movement." Just think are you as safe as you really think you are and if for how long?
No long march? Imran Khan? DCP?
My wife came to the US on an asylum visa because she was a religous minority in a Muslim country. Knowing what she and her family went through I have no sympathy for any Muslim in a non-Muslim country who complains about prejudice. There is no country that treats Muslims as bad as even the "modreate" Muslim countries treat religous minorties.
As far as I'm concerned - Muslims inj my country deserve far less that we grant them.
@jagjit sidhoo: thanks for the alarm bell,in future,i will avoid getting into discussion with ignorant fools,i presumed i was discussing with a sane mind up until you proved it otherwise.
@Abbas, John: i request you to end the discussion with the ignorant,you know to whom I'm calling 'ignorant',don't worry,one day,reality will hit them hard,they can delay it for a time being by taking in refugee in land of fantasy,but they cannot stop the inevitable.
@Cosmo: there is no need for us to defend our values and traditions in front of Pakistani or in any Pakistani discussion forum,our values and tradition will be judged by our grand children,just as we say that India is secular and has made progress in reducing poverty,we have to also give credit to our grand fathers for every achievement of ours
Pakistani... "The same is happening with muslims in Pakistan….where shall they go"
Are Muslims being forcibly converted in Pakistan?
@kaalchakra: Why dont you welcome the Shias who are in Pakistan?
It is heart warming to see so many indians condeming the phony "Shashi"( i believe a pakistani). This the testimony of greatness of India's secular ethos. As an Indian i have had the previlage of visitng churches, temples, mosques, gurudwaras, etc. Celebrating, eid, christmas, diwali will equal fervor. Imagine doing all that in Pakistan and Imagine pakistanis condeming a hindu-basher!!
@mujeeb: Right, if u r an Indian muslim, then i must be James Bond!
Every Indian knows that India's the only homeland of Hindus and Sikhs. India's the country which gave birth to Hinduism, Buddhism, and Sikhism, the three great religions the world has known. Thus when a Hindu or Sikh or Buddhist wants to come to their homeland, who are we to stop them? It's their country, they can come anytime and they're most welcome coz this is the least we can do for them. Besides if you know the history, India even gave refuge to the Parsis when they fled from Persia. India even gave refuge to 2 crore Bangladeshi Muslim migrants who are still living in different parts of our country right now. India's given shelter to the people of every religion, such is the great culture of India. Come my Pakistani Hindu and Sikh brothers and sisters, your country India's is waiting for your arrival.
@Zeeshan: Looks like you are struggling to balance your thinking after the onslaught of verbal arrows for your lack of secularism. Despite the state your country is in and the pathetic state the minorities and muslims are in, you still have energy left to keep pointing fingers at the Indian bully. Using islam you could not even touch the force of India...now you are pelting verbal abuses at the few hindus left in your country...alas you did not get a chance to eradicate them...before they left!!! If you fail totally which I am afraid Pakistan will, the argument will be the Indians have never allowed you to survive, the next blame would be on poor USA or the jews living 3000 miles away!!! right? You still do not have an anwer to the fact that muslim population in India increased to 18 crores (16%-18%) since 1947 from 3 crores. The Hindu population has decreased to a million in Pakistan (1.6%).Just answer to the facts... please do not argue from your religious bias.
Welcome home!
@Kaalchakra, Why should we invite poor or rich Muslims of Pakistan to India? Now don't tell me that even Muslims don't want to live in Pakistan, a state that was created especially for Muslims. Besides India's the only homeland of Hindus and Sikhs, they're free to come to India anytime they want. For it's their right. India's their own country.
Sad completely in humane treatment The people committing such crimes should be hanged. Income pent minister is not aware that christian Girls are raped and no police cases are registered.
@Dr. Asad Sadick, Germany:
Jinnah believed - while a sizable section of Muslim population will remain in Hindu India, holding Hindus hostage in Pakistan will provide the counter poise. Some kidnappers have taken it literally.
The Mullahs of Pakistan are making everyone want to leave Pakistan
@zeeshan:
Is this the promised land our forefather dreamt ? !!
YES!!!!!
@1984: *"Unless you’re an Arab or Turk..You dont have the rights to talk like that to us.. Your forefather was a Hindu or Buddhist who converted either because they were afraid of the sword or because they couldnt pay the high jizya tax…
Your DNA is subcontinent DNA not the Arabic DNA whether you agree or deny it ,unless unspeakable things happened to your great grandmother..
If you say that you ruled us for 1000 yrs,then the pakistani christian will say he ruled you for 200 yrs"* Read my comment again. The rule part of the sentence was in quotation marks. My friend, your comment shows that you don't know me and don't read my comments. I am quite proud of my DNA and it is not what you have assumed it to be. So, calm down!
@Zeeshan: Just read the message write by Ayush
Interior minister Rehman Malik and Mukesh Chawla both are cheat and telling the lie and naming the migration of Hindus' as a propaganda. These are not only 60 families leaving Pakistan but thousands of families are in process to leave this country. In last two years more than 600 families from District Umerkot and Sanghar migrated to India. Forced conversion of religion, kidnapping, imprisonment (of Hindu farming class; scheduled caste) for laboring purpose in rural areas and are persecution are some of the causes of these migration..... ......... ........... ........ ......... ......... ......... ........... ........ ......... ......... ......... ........... ........ ......... ......... ......... ........... ........ ......... ......... ......... ........... ........ ......... ......... ......... ........... ........ ......... ......... ......... ........... ........ ......... ......... ......... ........... ........ ......... .........:(
It's so sad, 'cause Pakistan is an Islamic country, and Islam was the first religion perhaps, to endorse freedom of religion, and was the first to provides rights to minorities...!
@Truth bites:
Am I to understand that the Muslim moneylenders have a lower interest rate?
@Zeeshan:
All muslims with right minds live in Pakistan and accuse US, India and Afghanistan for all of Pakistans problems and believe it is the most powerful and peacful place on earth.
Continue.
@Dr. Asad Sadick, Germany:
Jinnah having vision is a myth that refuses to die because of people like yourself. Read Indian Summer. Since you are in Germany, you can get it from Amazon.
If anybody is assured of all the easy things that will get when they reach India, anybody may be tempted to leave. Why don't Indian Hindus invite and help poor Muslims from Pakistan? Bigots.
There should be population exchange of Pakistan hindus to India and India's muslims to Pakistan. It will help with peace in the region in long term.
It is only few bad people after Shias and Ahmadis. If Muslims were really killing them there will be no Shia or Ahmadi left. All these Shias and Ahmadi will convert to islam by their own free will like present day Pakistanis Hindu descendents converted to islam because of their own free will.
@Zeeshan
Their love transcends the here and now. No one romanticizes the problems India faces and the love an ex-pat Indian feels is deeply cultural not materialistic. It is as if a piece of the country moves overseas and its effects lingers for generations. Hope you understand.
The tensions in Fiji and Uganda have to do with a new community having been introduced, for various historical reasons, in an already settled society. Karachi is your own example if you don't want to look too far.
@Shashi, India's a secular country and Indian Muslims are as much as Indians as Hindus and Sikhs. I don't want the Indian Muslims to leave India, their country. Indian Muslims are different. Who are we to ask someone to leave his/her own country? We are not like Pakistanis who treat minorities as second class citizens and convert them on live TV shows. We're different. Let's not get down to the level of Pakistan.
All Pakistani Hindus and Sikhs are welcome to India, their homeland. Come it's your own country.
@Usman:
"Migration is very embarassing. Not sure who is to be blamed."
Your humanistic thoughts are to be commended. However, on who to blame, I suggest you start with the Pakistani constitution that casts in stone that a non-Muslim will for ever be a second class citizen.
@Ibrahim Afridi:
"I would just say Pak has many problems and they might have faced problems not becuz they are Hindus but because they are Pakistanis and every Pakistani has problems that doesnt mean that you leave our country. if its only you then understandable but here its the whole nation so plz dont make it a minority issuue. Had it been that why dint they leave in past 65 years."
I am afraid you are blissfully unaware of the truth. After the Partition, Hindus and Sikhs represented about 22% of the population in W. Pakistan. Today, they form about 2%! What do you think happened to the missing 20%? If you want to face the truth, they had to convert or migrate to survive. Compare this number to India where the Muslim population has increased from 11% after the Partition to 15% today.
Attrition of the percentage of minorities is a sure indication of severe discrimination that they feel.
@Zeeshan: it’s due to your low birth rates and Muslim high birth rates which is now being harped as Muslim menace. well,these are your own words, we already have a huge population,and we have to plan for future,first thing we need to do is to get the population under control,but if one community doesn't agree with national goals and vision and starts acting in defiance rather than agreeing on the problem and working for a common solution, they are bound to be regarded as menace. you know it very well than us,recently a few mullahs in Pakistan, issued fatwa against polio vaccination,saying it was un-Islamic,now tell me,whether you regard them as menace or people with great wisdom.the same is happening here,we all know the benefits of family planning,and if some have failed to understand this and not acting in the right manner than it is justified to call them menace. go through the link:http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/feb/20/race.immigrationpolicy it will open your mind about status of Hindus,Indian Muslims or Sikhs.they are not running away from India in fear of being persecuted.
This is a blowback of the type of justice provided by the CJP to Ms. Rinkle Kumari and Dr. Lata Etc: forcing girls to stay extra week in shelter and by not announcing decision in the open Court. If CJP cannot protect them than who can? That is why it’s time to go to a Country where law and order exists. This applies to both humans and investment.
@G.Din We ruled you for a thousand years” is part of “vasudhaiv kutumbkam”, was it, is it or will it?
Unless you're an Arab or Turk..You dont have the rights to talk like that to us.. Your forefather was a Hindu or Buddhist who converted either because they were afraid of the sword or because they couldnt pay the high jizya tax...
Your DNA is subcontinent DNA not the Arabic DNA whether you agree or deny it ,unless unspeakable things happened to your great grandmother..
If you say that you ruled us for 1000 yrs,then the pakistani christian will say he ruled you for 200 yrs
@shashi: Dude I live in muslim neighborhood in Mumbai and I never felt the way you are feeling. I bet you are form one of those RSS camps typing away your hate speech. But I assure you, not many Indians share your enthusiasm. I like my muslim brothers here as much as any other Indians disregarding their race or caste. Maybe I just amongst the 20 % liberal minded, but as long as we are here we will see that India does not become another religiously extremist nation.
@Zeeshan: No it does not. India and others are moving forward whereas some or many like you in Pakistan are moving backwards to the stone age and you can only think like that.
Read my other comment and you will get the picture.
Also the persecution of Ahmedis and the video in today's ET. Here is the link:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/419718/the-condemned-a-documentary-on-ahmadi-persecution/
The summary is that Pakistan is neither an Islamic country or a country of Muslims. Just tagging along the word Islamic to its name will not make Pakistan Islamic, as long as the thoughts and deeds do not change. I personally think it is now too late for Pakistan to change. Can you name one country in the world that considers Pakistanis as Muslims or Pakistan as Islamic according to what many claim are the Islamic principles?
What makes it more nauseating is comments such as yours.
@Zeeshan: If the oil runs out, Arabs and Muslims will build Dubai and Beirut
Build with what???Their country doesn't have any industry other than the oil refineries which are built by the Western oil companies...Do they have land for agriculture?? Any good industry to provide jobs??? Leave food,I doubt they can even provide water to themselves.. Mind you,they will be poorer than Sub-Saharan africans...
@Zeeshan: @eckhart, and why are you in New York and not in India? so, where ever you are,don't ever leave Pakistan,not even for a single day.if you are not in Pakistan,you don't deserve to ask this question to others.rather than asking it to an Indian.ask your fellow Pakistanis, on why they have chosen to run away from land of pure.
@Zeeshan: I had a long discussion with you on a blog a few days back on the lessons to be learnt from Malerkotla and my last line was "Maybe you got your answer and my message that humane acts get humane responses".I had thought i was having a discussion with a person with logical and moderate mind but seeing your comments today i realize that your moderate act was just that and i was wasting my time.
@Zeeshan: had no shame and qualms in targeting and imprisoning hundreds of Muslim men for the same reason!! boy,hundreds of even Hindu men are jailed every year,you have no idea of what are you talking,you are just thoughtlessly trying to defend your false sense of ego with foolish comments.some how,you are of the impression that,it was the act of Hindus to jail Muslims.didn't you know that,there are thousands of Muslims working in Indian police force,investigation teams,army and many such institutions,did you read any official documents with detailed investigation report stating that they were imprisoned just because they were Muslims, i have to admit that there were some incidents were innocents were imprisoned,this mistake can happen anywhere,they were not imprisoned for being Muslims,they were imprisoned because the investigating agencies and police had found their actions suspicious. even though you are trying pretty hard to defend your ego,the fact remains that Hindus along with Muslims will continue to abandon Pakistan. just see the number of illegal immigrants Pakistanis constitute in many different developed countries.
Its a shame that poor minorities can't live in this country anymore,that also means Pakistan is heading towards becoming a hard line wahabi country and sub-state of saudi arabia,what is expected from a country where you have 55 million people who cant read and write....
@Zeeshan: "Having those individuals in power or having three Muslims as presidents does not change a bit about your country’s nature of bigotry toward Muslims. Those men were not elected". Yes they were not elected BUT approved and liked by the people of India. Can you match this?
@jism,
dude jism, get you head out of the sand and start realizing that your own country is dependent upon FDI to English-medium universities to create whatever you assumed to be great about your country. Again, before judging Arabs and their treatments of foreigners or whether they are able to build cities are not, go and reflect how Indians treat their own Indians and the conditions of Mumbai, Kolkata, Delhi and Chennai.
Indians are the second largest illegal immigrants in USA. A quarter of millions. You don't line up outside embassies anymore, you jump over border.
I guess the land of the 'pure' is more 'pure' now.
@Zeeshan:It will be better if you talk only on your country behalf.The arab world you r talking about,the same arab world dont even give you a hoot .For them you r just convert nothing else.Most of the poor from india specially Muslim choose to work in arabia which is a fact.The day arabia start religious persecution,i assure you ,our land is very much capable of feeding its own people and our govt will never allow any further migration to arab world.The fantasy that is in your mind that indian migrate to arab coz of law and order and cleanliness,for us cleanliness is not very important.For us better life is important with human value and no indian specially hindu want to settle in Arab world.Law based on sharia is not acceptable in any acculturate world.For us they r mere business,just earn and switch to western world or come back. In coming 100yrs ,we are going to see acute shortage of oil in the world as per the report.All the arab world which is highly dependent on oil for its economy have no land to harvest.They r dependent on india and china for feeding their own people.Now my question is ,Zeeshan who has nothing to do with arab world is how much sincere about his country.Leave india,can you have any city which is not "no go zone".One more thing for us muslims r traitors as long as they r muslim first.That was the reason ,shhrukh had to face the outrage and he should.But this should not be your business as long as he is not fleeing to pakistan.
@eckhart,
and why are you in New York and not in India?
One of my pakistani friend whom i met yesterday at the New york subway when i told him look what is happening in your country, he just smiled and said "Ekhart every pakistani if given an opportunity and better future abroad will run away from Pakistan like I did ". Ameer my friend told me even Pakistani muslims are having a rough time living there and you expect hindus to have a better life there ?
I am Indian, I am Hindu and I love my Muslim brothers, they are part and parcel of India as much as we Hindus are.
Raj-USA,
Does it not say something extremely disgusting and pure evil about your country when Muslims voted a man like Modi into power? Was it not similar to Jews voting for Hermann Goring?
gp65 again,
Those men killed in Karachi are never viewed as Muslims killing Muslims. This is tantamount of saying Hindu fanatics in Shiv Sena are targeting Hindus from Bihar.
Secondly, intra-Hindu violence such as caste killings should also be placed next to intra-Muslim violence if we want to compare intra-religion violence.
@Zeeshan: If the oil runs out, Arabs and Muslims will build Dubai and Beirut and how will they build these cities,do they have great engineers or specialists there. even to build a skyscraper they have to depend on outside engineers for everything,they don't even know how to extract gas form there land. westerners provided them with technology to extract gas. The question should be: are there any cities in India which come close to Beirut or Dubai where Arabs and Muslims can move into? you asked the wrong question fella,let me rephrase your question ,is there any non Muslim country in this world that will willingly accept all these Arabs and Muslims into their homeland. even you Pakistanis know that the spread of radicalism in Pakistan is due to the radical teachings propagated by these Arabs,what you call as Wahhabism. ask your fellow citizens,after so much they have done to your country in the form of spreading hate and intolerance, would Pakistanis accept them into their cities?there was no widespread radicalism after independence in Pakistan,now,forget minorities,even fellow Muslims are running away,not just in the name of opportunities but to save themselves from this mass madness being propagated .tell me which country doesn't have problem with Muslims, where minorities are Muslims.forget about minorities,which Islamic country is treating all its Muslim citizens as equals?
dear All ! the issue is very serious it needs to dicuss with references. when we talk abt the protection of minorities , we should keep in mind that not only minorities but majority is under threat. not only our hindu brothers but Ahmadies , sikh , parsi all are under great threats. even muslims (Shia) are not secure in Quetta, Gilgit Baltistaan, so what we need is a reviw on our state policies. radical dogmatic elements are trying to change the Pakistan anto a Theological state. Hindus are our brothers we will protect them at all. we all should assert a huge pressure on our legislature to make more policies to protect the rights of minorties. Along with we have to creat a hormony and patience in ourselves for eachothers belief and faith. to get sentimental and emotional is not the solution of the problem . lets promise that we will raise our voice for the safety of minorities at all the available forums.
gp65,
Having those individuals in power or having three Muslims as presidents does not change a bit about your country's nature of bigotry toward Muslims. Those men were not elected. They were assigned due to your country's "vote bank" policy. Did you forget multiple non-Muslims in Pakistani parliaments as we speak?
What you called as "communal riots" which led to massacres of Muslims have the direct and indirect roles of your state. From the police to elected officials standing, watching and siding with certain communities to outright hate speech against Muslims, the force of the state is involved in all those massacres.
The Muslim population growth is not due to your benevolence, it's due to your low birth rates and Muslim high birth rates which is now being harped as Muslim menace.
@Rana: Those people who missed the bus in 1947 can take now.
@Zeeshan: That’s why Indians are lining outside of Muslim and Christian nations’ embassies. if given a chance to work in any developed would you or any of your brethren in the whole Muslim world reject the opportunity? not unless he/she is on the wanted list there.when you migrate to some country,you leave behind your home country so that you can enjoy a better life there,if these Muslim nations had failed to provide any of it,no non Muslim would set his foot in Arab countries,just wait until there gas runs out,you will see Arabs running into other countries,even as refugees. boy,you have no idea of India at all,yet even as you speak,India is now in a situation,what we call reverse brain drain,thousands of Indians who had left India for better opportunities are coming back,since the economic boom,the opportunities have multiplied.migrants are different from refugees fella,just look at the stats,Pakistanis claiming refugee status in other countries is far more than Indians doing the same,this should be good enough to bust your myth about minorities in India,how many Muslims from India have come as refugees to Pakistan?clearly your knowledge about Arab countries is far less than my mine,leave out India,they don't even consider fellow Pakistani Muslims as equals,even if they have masters degree in engineering and working in high profile jobs,this is not my perception,this is what your fellow brothers and sisters have posted in their blogs and shared their experience in different articles. Boy, i have never seen any Indian lining in front of embassies to run way from India in fear of being prosecuted in India.As per stats,it was stated that America requires 100000 highly skilled immigrants every year so that their economy can grow at least 1%,this is where Indians line up,Indians constitute highest portion of Highly skilled immigrants migrating to US to work,they are not running way from their homeland in fear of prosecution or forcible conversion.at least Indian Constitution guarantees equal treatment for minorities,where as Arab countries fail to protect and even fail to guarantee equal treatment.
All Hindus are defacto citizen of India as per Indian Constitution.. So welcome brothers Happy Independance day..Waiting for the time when Indian Muslims will leave to Pakistan or Bangladesh...we are filled with Illegal Bangladeshi Immigrants..
@Dr. Asad Sadick, Germany: M. Ali Jinnah’s vision goes kaput. What else is left? His vision has not gone kaput. It stands fullfilled. He wanted to be a head of a state and he got it. Even today Pakistanis adore him
@Omar:
"hmmm, do you remember Gujrat massacre??"
Guess what? Narendra Modi was elected back to power immediately and that too with substantial support from Muslims of Gujrat. Most of the Gujrati Muslims voted for him and are now reaping economic benefits. Gujrat is the most peaceful state enjoying most religious harmony anywhere in India and Muslims here are more prosperous than other States in India. Narendra Modi shall come back to power every time and that too with the support of Muslims. Gujrat is not Godhra.
Another sad chapter in the history of Pakistan. Everyday Pakistan is getting farther away from the vision of our Quaid-e-Azam.
One reason for the exodus of Hindus from Pakistan is that they see and feel Pakistan falling to the Talibans, more and more, each passing day.
Many Muslims of Pakistan would also migrate to other countries if they can. Unfortunately, no country in the world considers Pakistan as an Islamic country or a country of Muslims. Today, you will see more Hindus, Sikhs, Christians and Muslims from India than Muslims from Pakistan in In any Muslim country, be it Gulf Kingdoms or Malaysia and Indonesia. You may find more Pakistani muslims in countries like Sudan and Yemen, not even in Egypt. There was a time when Gulf Kingdoms allowed more muslims than non-muslims from India for employment. Those days are gone long ago. In fact many Gulf Kingdoms consider non-muslims or muslims from India preferable as they do not bring along the associated evils of terrorism or sectarianism. In any Gulf country, Hindi and Malayalam and not Urdu, is spoken and understood more, even by the local Arabs. Kuwait does not give family visas to Pakistanis but allow family visas for Indians, be they muslim or non-muslim.
When Pakistan talks about Muslims, what Muslims are they talking? No one is just a Muslim in Pakistan. They all have a prefix before "Muslim". In all the India - Pakistan wars on Kashmir, the Indian Army had lot of Muslims fighting the Pakistani Muslims and many were honored with highest awards for bravery and sacrifice. Also, Kashmir has a substantial Shia population that is victimized and killed on a daily basis in Pakistan. One can understand to some extent that in the past some Kashmiris may have supported Pakistan on religious grounds. But what would explain Baluch becoming pro India when religion is not a common factor, particularly when Hindus are considered as eternal enemies of Muslims? Does it not substantiate the fact that even many in Pakistan do not consider Pakistan as a country of Muslims? The same fact holds when Pakistanis say that TTP's are working for RAW.
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minorities suffer everywhere....no big deal....
@Omar: "@Vikas: hmmm, do you remember Gujrat massacre??"
I'm not Vikars but wil answer. 1. Gujarat riots lasted for 2 days after which army was called in to establish peace. They happened 10 years back. 790 Muslims and 250 Hindus died in these riots. There have been no Hindu Muslim riots in Gujarat in the last 10 years. 2. The trigger for Gujarat riots was that Muslims burnt a carriage of Hindu pilgrims which included women and children. 3. Over 33 Hindus and several Muslims have been convicted in a court of law.
Now let me ask you some questions? 1. How many Muslims are killed in Karachi target killing EACH YEAR? 2. How many Shias are target killed in Balochistan and Gilgit EACH YEAR? 3. What about Ahmadis who consider themselves Muslim but Pakistan has taken upon itself to decide faith of people and persecutes these people whobelieve in the same Allah and Quran that you do?
@1984,
Westerners including Obama are harping about you stealing their jobs. So even the almighty Westerners could find themselves jobless. If the oil runs out, Arabs and Muslims will build Dubai and Beirut. The question should be: are there any cities in India which come close to Beirut or Dubai where Arabs and Muslims can move into?
@Firefly: "You are CRYING for few numbers – What about the families FORCE TO MIGRATE from INDIA to Pakistan (Punjab and Bangal) ? THOUSANDS FAMILIES"
Are you talking about 1947? At that timenot thousands but millions of Hindus and Sikhs went to India and reverse migration occurred with regards to Muslims to Pakistan. But 65 years later no Muslims are being forced to migrate out of India as these poor Hindus are.
@ bharat......Now the Muslims of India should move to Pakistan.
NO NO,you should expect this. Then, what is difference btwn Pakistan and India. This is INDIA, great country has 6500 years old culture, you cannot compare 65 years history with 6500 years old history
@Zeeshan: "Strange. They are moving to another country known for massacring Muslims, Sikhs and Christians"
Not sure if you are aware that a SIkh is currently the PM of India and another sSIkh is the COAS. A Christian is the defence minister of India and currently India has a Muslime Vice President and a Muslim CEC. OF course Indians do not view these people as SIkh, Christian or Muslim but simply as fellow Indians. You maybe aware that 3 out of 13 of India's Presidents have also been Muslim.
By the way the countryi is not known for massacring Muslims as you stated. Communal riots result in people of both communities geting kiled. SOmetiems more Muslims get killed and sometiems more Hindus. But over a period of time individual acts of bigotry have been punished and hence reduced. India has not had any comunal riot in the last 10 years.
Population ofMuslims in India in 1947 was 9%, it is now 14%. That would not happen if Muslims were getting massacred. On the other hand proportion of Hindus is present day Pakistan was 20% and it is now less than 2%. This shows where there is freedom to practice own faith and where there isn't. GO to Gilgit and Balochistan to figure out where Hazara Shias are getting massacred. These provinces are not part of India by the way...
@gp65,
I think you are the one who is living in a parallel world. Saudi is unique for sure but even that treatment does not stop Indians from migrating and living there. However, Indians live in many other Arab countries. From Dubai to Manama, Indians could be found in each of these Arab land. "Economic betterment" is not the only reason why Indians move their entire families there. Peace and cleanliness , low crime rates and of course the opportunities to practice your religion while being in an Arab and Muslim world are also external reasons which help to explain why Indians continue to view the Arab and Muslim countries as nations worth moving into. Another pushing factor is of course the very reality of India.
Pakistanis watch Indian movies too. Deepak Parwani prospers here too. Somehow, those things do not preclude you from viewing Pakistanis as "intolerant" human beings. However, those acts could be used to say Indians are somehow "tolerant" human beings which you are not. Rabid attacks against SRK for merely backing Pakistani players in IPL or viewing him as "closeted Pakistanis" are all part and parcel of your national's allusions of IMs. Muslims as the "traitors from within" meme is your national ethos. The same Indian government which wanted to seek an apology on behalf of SRK from the US for "religious profiling" had no shame and qualms in targeting and imprisoning hundreds of Muslim men for the same reason!!
Hindus of Pakistan living a miserable life. I have witnessed everything myself. There should be no wonder if they are migrating to other countries, . No sane group can imagine to live in a country where their daughters are being kidnapped, raped, go through forced religion conversion. If by chance any Hindu is rich, he or she keep getting kidnapped for ransom. This is indeed a painful situation and hard to see how real sons/daughters of soil getting kicked out from their motherland.
I now understand why ex President Musharraf said: "Today we are the poorest, the most illiterate, the most backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most deprived, and the weakest of all the human race"
See:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1824455.stm
Being a muslim I also left Pakistan for UK just like these hindus.
@Firefly: citation needed
@Vikas: hmmm, do you remember Gujrat massacre??
pakistan should be renamed as Mullah state seriously,, i m pakhtoon atleast you cnt do this to anyone we have sikhs pukhtoon living in our tribal territory they never have any problems in our areas except these talibans who were created, funded and trained has destabilised the peace.. pakistan is a confused state
"Who is stopping them?" - Hon PM (ex) Mr Gilani
Now the Muslims of India should move to Pakistan.
@Zeeshan:
Dont harp too much about your muslim world...The day a commercially viable alternative fuel is invented..You would see the reverse migration of your beloved Arabs to non-muslim states for job....
As for religious persecution,its still a doubt why they allow themselves to be persecuted by kafirs when they can migrate to the land of pure
@VINOD: "@shashi: Wake up. I think that people like you should move to some place that is out side this planet. Cause India is founded and its culture is seeped with “vasudhaiv kutumbkam” the world is one family" "We ruled you for a thousand years" is part of “vasudhaiv kutumbkam”, was it, is it or will it? Don't be a hypocrite yourself! Get in touch with hard reality of this planet! @Harkol: "My close friends, colleagues, even my domestic help is a Muslim, and I won’t want them to go. " It is so-o-o hard without "good" domestic help these days!!!!!! We understand!
What do you expect in a country where the Govt. decides who is a muslim and who is not?
@Ibrahim Afridi: They have additional problems like forced conversions. Only minorities including Shias and Ahmadis can understand that pain. Why would they sell their properties at half prize and leave, because a time will come when they may have to leave everything behind for free.
@Mr S and others:
Best way to judge how muslims fare with hindus is to judge in a country where none of them are in majority. Where better then in UK where I live. Let me quote the official statictics of the UK government: "Hindus are four times less likely to be unemployed than Pakistani and Bangladeshi Muslims"
This is per: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/feb/20/race.immigrationpolicy Already in the West they are referred to as the super race. Every company in UK wants to hire them. My advise to you is to stay in Pakistan (land of the pure) because you are unlikely to get a decent job in UK - unless of course you want to be a cab driver.
good bye have fun
I will endorse the migration of hindu to india ,i m against the migration of ahmedi and christain to india.They r those people who voted for jinnah and coz of them creation of pak was possible.So now if they r facing problem,so it be.
@Mr S: And the muslims in that part of the world are so holy they dont put a foot worng. All they do is kill other muslims apart from members from other communities. They should all be given medals for their courage.
Just a fact. 95% of deaths af muslims killed by unnatural causes is not by drones, US, India, Israel, UK or the boogie man as you may think. ITS BY OTHER MUSLIMS.
@Rana: What india has to do with turmoil and agitation in your country.We demolished babri masjid and at the same time provide security to muslim in india.what about ahmedi,that is also coz of india.Since india vandalized babri so you will vandalize temple in pak.india did gujrat riot so you will also loot and kill hindu in pak.how insane you r.Think logically.The two incident took place in a differnt country and should nothing to do with pakistani citizen .as far as i know Hindu in pak r very much responsible and plays active role in maintaining rule and order in the state.We r always beneficiary and after some time you all will repent for huge loss as they r rich community in pak.
@Zeeshan: "f you migrate there for work, how come you live there for 10-20 years of your lives and still practice your faith and religion? The Arab world gives you better space than your “tolerant nation” could ever give to its own citizens. If you move there just for work, you will not be staying there for 10-20 years. Secondly, even Shah Rukh Khan is not spared from your country’s hatred for Muslims"
You seem to live in paralel universe. 1. Indians go to Arab countries for ecomoic betterment. The notion that countries like Saudi Arabia alow one to practice their faiths freely is laughable. They will ot allow a single temple to be built. They will not allow Hindus to wear any symbol of our religion or even carry a simple murthi so that Hindus may worship in their own homes. 2. If Shah Rukh Khan was 'hated' in India then how come millions of Indians (80%) of whom are Hindus go to watch his movies? How come Hindu producers like Yash Chopra and Karan Johar have continuously hired him? How come he owns a palatial home in Mumbai? How come Indian government demands and seeks apology when he is detained unnecessarily at American immigration?
and here pakistan is CRYING FOR ROHINGYA MUSLIMS
@Zeeshan: Answer is simple!!India is run by Hindu community where ther is equality for all,opportunities for all and is 3rd largest economy in the world[PPP]!!But most importantly,Hindu India does not encourage extremism - be it Muslim,Sikh,Christian or Hindu and no organisation can take up arms or give arms training!!Hence even though RSS,VHP etc Hindu organisations have more than 10 million members,they are not a threat to India or world like LET!!That too when India has the largest no of Firearms in the world, only after US!![Refer Google]
@kakookaka: come over..only you need not convert your religion,just your nationality.
''door ke dow suhane hote hay'' they wl come back of course, when they c the situation there, our standard of life is much better than the indians
@Saad: not just liberal indians but also the europeans, americans and even chinese are. may be it's time for introspection!
@Chetan: Agree with Chetan and strongly disagree with Shashi. In fact I even doubt he is an Indian - most likely someone pretending to be an Indian.
Maybe in our grand parents' generation where the memories of the partition bloodbath were fresh, such animosity towards Muslims may have existed. Certainly I do not know anyone in my generation who thinks like you. Muslims have contributed positively to all aspects of Indian life as have Sikhs, Parsis, Jains and Christians. In India we believe in sarva dharma samabhaav.
@shashi: i strongly disagree with you,Islam as a faith i have lot of reservations but muslims born in india should enjoy the same rights as me if not more as a minority, at the same time they should learn to integrate with the society instead shoving their desert riding antics on people here,which most of the muslims themselves don't agree with.coming to SRK,AK,Salman didn't become stars overnight they strive,hassled,contended to become what they are.so don't even go there.
come to india there are 1000's of Jobs 20 Crore Muslim live here in Peace...why do u want a seperate country....bollywood movies, songs dance, india has 400 languages why make a country work with an economy which is 100 times more then pak
come to india there are 1000's of Jobs 20 Crore Muslim live here in Peace...why do u want a seperate country....bollywood movies, songs dance, india has 400 languages why make a country work with an economy which is 100 times more then pak
“What if this starts happening with Muslims in India and they migrate to Pakistan? Will we be able to give them adequate protection?”she questioned. Really? No Muslim Indian moves from India to Pakistan to flee from persecution. He may go of his own accord which is not the same thing.
@Zeeshan:
massacring muslims? They were only 7% in 1947 but now they are more than 15%. about 180million. can't blame u 4ur ignorance. its all ur media n mulla propaganda. And tell me wt happened to so many hindus there? They were more than 20% after partition there. Genocide?
@Deepwater,
why don't they come back to "mother India"? Is it because the reality of India does not match their romanticization of India? You are also playing down the tensions between native Fijians/Ugandans with Indians.
@Abbas, John
The sheer hypocrisy of wanting to accept "hindus, ahmedis, and Christians" while having a national unison worry about muslim birth rates or "muslim settlers" need more than 12 words of shame to describe you and your country.
@jism,
This "economic boom" does not prevent the "Hindus" from coming to their land and prosper. To reduce India's migration to Arab world as mere "economic" is to missed that those Indians live better lives than India could ever provide them. (Unless of course, you view all Indians as construction workers.) Likewise, to argue that "Arabs" are treating "South Asians as slave laborers" is about missing your own mirrors. Go and check how your fellow Indians treat your Indian maids and workers in your own land and then talk about Arab's treatments of South Asians. Before you judge Muslim countries, judge your own land and recognize that India itself is a disastrous land for all people and minorities especially Muslims. That's why Indians are lining outside of Muslim and Christian nations' embassies.
Bari maintained that it is the responsibility of the state to provide protection to its people. “What if this starts happening with Muslims in India and they migrate to Pakistan? Will we be able to give them adequate protection?”she questioned.
If this really happens, can Pakistan have the courage to accommodate them?
@vasan, If you migrate there for work, how come you live there for 10-20 years of your lives and still practice your faith and religion? The Arab world gives you better space than your "tolerant nation" could ever give to its own citizens. If you move there just for work, you will not be staying there for 10-20 years. Secondly, even Shah Rukh Khan is not spared from your country's hatred for Muslims and you still want to talk about "Muslims with the right mind who want to move to India".
@Manishj,
No, the problem does not "crops up now and then but we are slowly but steadily inching towards getting over it", Assam is burning as we speak. The likes of Advani (a Sindhi Hindu who left to India) is blaming Muslims.
@AK,
Muslims are not differentiated in India. They are placed in a box as Muslims. That's not about tolerance. That's about ignorance.
Going beyond religion - what is going on in Pakistan is a long-drawn, self-selection process. Minorities with any means are migrating but so are better-off, better-educated Pakistanis who are fleeing to the West. They feel nostalgia but very little love for their ex-motherland and their children adapt very quickly to the freedoms available in other countries.
OTOH, Indians maintain ties and have immense love for their motherland even after living overseas for several generations. A good example are the Indians living in Fiji or the West Indies who still maintain their culture and ties with India nearly a century after their forefathers left their motherland.
@Zeeshan: What? why? Even Indians are moving to Arab and Muslim countries, so why would Muslims in their right minds move to India? start reading some good news papers,don't pick up sentences or comments from fools or mullahs.they go to these Arab countries because of the economic boom which occurred 2 to 3 decades back.they offered plenty of opportunities there,that's the only reason. after all, even many Pakistanis know that the Arabs don't even treat fellow Pakistani Muslims as equals,rather they treat south Asians as some kind of slave laborers. they are not moving to any Muslim country kid, not even Indian Muslims want to got to Arab,but these Arab countries offer easy money with very less restrictions.No Muslim country is good for minorities,and they are hardly good for even Muslims living there.
You are CRYING for few numbers - What about the families FORCE TO MIGRATE from INDIA to Pakistan (Punjab and Bangal) ? THOUSANDS FAMILIES
@Zeeshan: As we speak, ethnic violence is taking place in Assam and Indians are blaming Muslims in Assam as “Bangladeshis”. And if you read the comments above from Indians, you’ll see equally viscous words for Muslims:
boy oh boy,to begin with, just decades back, Muslims never constituted majority of any district,now they have become majority in many districts,while their population has grown,they are threatening the indigenous tribes of Assam called "bodo". just read any news paper,the assamese people,who have been inhabiting that land for centuries were evicted out from their own land by Muslims.and majority of these Muslim settlers are Bangladeshis,quiet a few years back, the high court of India said that the Bangladeshis have become king makers of Assam. as i speak,thousands of Hindus along with thousands of Muslims are running away from Pakistan and thousands more planning to run away.
@mujeeb: do you not think they should have right to hate after what Pakistan did to Hindu population (now left at 1.6%)? What right do you have to question when muslims keep repeating their acts of violence and terrorism in the name of religion?
@BaBa Blacksheep: out of evil state into land of equals.....you know what that evil stands for
@Rana: worst track record?leaving out all the facts,how many minorities are leaving India every year?. Have you checked the data, there are far more Pakistanis who claim refugee status in Europe and America than from India,even though our population is more than five times of yours. so,up until now it was just CIA,RAW,MOSSAD conspiracy to destabilize the great Pakistan,now you blame us just because you couldn't take care of your own people,your comments very well show why everyone is abandoning Pakistan.
welcome back. I also request all Pakistan loving Indian Muslims to plan for migrating to Pakistan, let's see if they accept their Muslim brothers.
@Hafeez Pasha: thoroughly and well deserved
@Saad: but you have no shame that these hindus were Pakistanis who do not want to live there. You do not seem to bothered about that just like majority in your society
@Zeeshan:They are moving because of hypocrites of your ilk. The same logic you applied should be applied to India. You talk of Indian issues when you cannot tolerate that left over 1.6% hindus in your islamic jannat??? shame is defined in 12 ways in oxford dictionary..I guess you will not need to read that!! All hindu families, ahmedis, christians are welcome to India.
We Indians can't do much to what is happening to minorities in Pakistan except welcome our Hindu brothers and sisters with open arms. If one analyses situation in Pakistan, even Muslims are not safe keeping in view of poor plight of Shias and Balochis who are being killed on regular basis. God only knows what will happen to this country, but the future looks extremely dark.
India is the only country in the world where all sects of Islam (Sunni Shia Ahmadis etc) live without prosecution. Can you name one Islamic country where atleast one sect of Islam is not prosecuted???
I wish they drive out all the minorities soon so that they can turn to killing each other. In the country of pious there can be only one absolute pious Muslim. The rest have to be dispatched to Allah.
lucky hindus coming to a superpower..INDIA ..
We are sorry we could'nt protect them.
Thanks to almightly Allah..
i dont know why all the people except muslims waiting for what in pakistan for this much long time , should ve all migrated to india in 1947 itself...........
Sashi said exactly what most of the hindus think in india. don't believe me? go see comments on TOI, by hindus about muslims. hindus of india have inherent hatred for muslims. BTW i am an indian muslim.
Is there anyone to speak against their forced migration? Any party, any leader, any cleric? Dual standards....
Out of the pan into the fire. Good luck
india should exchange all muslims of india for all hindus in pakistan.better for peace for my country.
As the original ancient inhabitants leave this land - Hindus the direct descendants of 5000 years of our glorious history and the only tangible link we have to that history- they leave behind a group of Arab wannabes the invaders, trespassers and occupiers of this pure land. What a shame!
@Zeeshan: Ah, Dont u realize Shahi is a Pakistani with a Hindu name! Cant expect any better from Pakistan anyways!
It's sad that they had leave their homes but Hindus are welcome in India. And now I wont blame pakistan for it because I know it is made for muslims only. So instead I will suggest a deal and I think it's fair deal. Both the govts, of India and pakistan should work towards a deal where the migration should happen once again like it did in 1947. But this time there should be no blood shed & both the govt should ensure and should strictly follow a process where the migration is smooth and peaceful. So all hindus of pakistan should migrate to India and all muslims of India should migrate to pakistan, the land of muslims, the pure land. And I also understand that muslims have lot of problem in India, they are killed on a daily basis by hindus and they cannot implement Sharia in India and also they have problem with Hindus ringing the temple bells. So its a great offer for them as well to migrate to their ideal homeland where they can practice the purest form of islam, on the purest land made for the purest race.
shame for Government,pakistanies and Pakistan:(
Muslims living in india becoming presidents and vice predents and hindus because of persecution leaving pakistan , does that says something about the nature of a hindu majority nation and a muslim majority one ? In my opinion it DOES.
Pakistan is a failure , what a waste of several decades!
@Ibrahim Afridi who writes "I would just say Pak has many problems and they might have faced problems not becuz they are Hindus but because they are Pakistanis and every Pakistani has problems that doesnt mean that you leave our country. if its only you then understandable but here its the whole nation so plz dont make it a minority issuue."
I agree with you 100%.
These Hindus are leaving Pakistan because of of load shedding.
@Ibrahim Afridi: things you say trouble every pakistani but being hindu means taking the wrath of frustrated muslim pakistani too
All those who are asking for Indian Muslims to leave India - you guys are nuts. They have been here for as many generations as any of us are, and are as much a part of India. My close friends, colleagues, even my domestic help is a Muslim, and I won't want them to go.
A nation is not about religion. Sad Pakistan never understood it, but, please as Indians let us never get down to the level of Pakistan.
Yahooo : What is surprising is not the fact that Hindus are migrating to India, but why muslims are not migrating to Pakistan, supposedly created for muslims. Not that I want Indian muslims to migrate. They should and will stay in India Zeeshan : Pl understand that no Indian can or is "migrating" to Arabia/Muslim countries. They go for work to earn money and send them to India, They , mostly, do not even shift their families to Arabia. They only migrate to US,Canada, UK,Singapore and possibly reasonable musim countries like malaysia. Learn that only muslims in right mind will move to India,. Others will stay in Pakistan itself.
As if India is a heaven of poor and lower-middle class people? All of these families will return back in a month or so. But this pathetic stunt will aggravate the situation for Muslims living in India.
and we r the ones to talk about oppression in Burma... huh shame on this rigid thinking
All Hindus in Pakistan are welcome to India!!!All Muslim girls in Pakistan are welcome to India.
What a shame!
I hope one day they may be able to come back and live in peace.
This news item says it all about the state of affairs in Pakistan. I am afraid, it is not a viable nation anymore. Make as many nukes while you still can. Maybe, just maybe, somebody might offer a good price for it.
@Hamad: You are right bro. Just imagine our liberal media spreads propaganda.
Good exit from Mullahstan
@shashi: I am sure you are not an Indian...
Strange. They are moving to another country known for massacring Muslims, Sikhs and Christians.
As we speak, ethnic violence is taking place in Assam and Indians are blaming Muslims in Assam as "Bangladeshis". And if you read the comments above from Indians, you'll see equally viscous words for Muslims:
"shashi an hour ago Reply i hope muslims of india leave india as soon as possible. they r causing lots of troubles in india. Islamisization of bollywood is a disgrace.Many hindus in india must stop watching salman,shahrukh, and aamir khans movies. they r trying to convert hindus to muslims by movies."
The only reason Hindus are moving to India is because it is a Hindu-majority nation where being Hindus is like being Whites in Canada. It's not about India as a tolerant nation, it's about India as a Hindu-majority nation.
Congratulations!!! Pakistan is quickly inching towards being super-duper pure.... The last time something like this happened Hitler ultimately had to commit suicide.... That had begun earlier in Pakistan... You guys are so forward thinking!!
As a Muslim Pakistani, I strongly believe that Pakistan belongs equally to Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Parsis and all other religions of this country alike. The country is in a bad shape for all Pakistanis whether Muslims or Hindus. Migration is very embarassing. Not sure who is to be blamed.
@Vasan,
What? why? Even Indians are moving to Arab and Muslim countries, so why would Muslims in their right minds move to India?
Sad news indeed.
The minorities should not be treated in this way specially in a country founded in the name of Islam.
All pakistanis who keep blaming India for the status of muslims etc can eat their words now. Given a choice even muslims from pakistan will migrate to India.
so basically the 'liberal' Indians are against Muslims only. I have seen them complain about visa's for ordinary Pakistani's and them being against 'cricket ties'. Now that a few Hindus are migrating (legally or illegally) they are welcoming them with open arms. This is the typical thinking of a Hindu, which will never change.
i am a muslim and want to leave also.
Minorities of pakistan are leaving the country because of violence against them but majority of Pakistanis are worried about Muslim Rohingya people of western Myanmar . This shows their priority are highly misplaced.Both Myanmar and pakistan has to introspect how they want to treat minorities in their country because the same way whole world is going to treat them I am not saying that violence against Rohingyas is right but one has to take care of his own home before we point our finger to others. . If these people had hope and faith from your judicial and administrative system they would have opted to stay but the situation is just the opposite.
Reply to those who will point finger to India in response : Such Ethnic violence have also occur in India but the situation has not reached an alarming stage where minorities of India are taking asylum in Pakistan or any other neighboring country.Indian minorities still have faith in Indian Democracy and they still prefer to live in India.
Pakistan bashing time.
Jews going to israel & hindus going to india...... whats so surprising here :)
I wish them well wherever they go. May the Almighty grant them a better future.
M. Ali Jinnah's vision goes kaput. What else is left?
Thanks to india, despite having huge population they always welcome us. thank you so much india .
@shashi : I strongly disagree with you. There are many patriotic muslims in india before independance and after too. We respect them.
@AK47: You keep on celebrating yours on daily basis!
@Truth bites: They have control of business because they are talented..............There are very few small farmers in Pakistan most of them are wage labourers........Land is Owned by Fudels.....
If interest rate is high don't take money simple............I hope u will provide money free of Interest........
a sad incident!!! somebody must stop them... :(:(:(
@shashi: @Vikas:
Since its not matter of pride for any nation, your (Indians) track record of manhandling the minorities is worst in the world, therefore reserve some Shame for yourself as well. India is directly involved behind creation of the situation that makes these families to move.
shameful act in the land of the pure
The same is happening with muslims in Pakistan....where shall they go.......truth is hindus dont want to be in Pakistan....simple
@shashi: r u Indian?
Mr President,
We support you on every forum but this is just not gonna do. Immediate intervention and clipping the wings of likes of Mian Mithu should be undertaken to provide security to the non-muslim community. They are small in number and this is easily doable.
But on a private TV channel they said that there are going to India for "Yatra" and will be back after 30 days.
@AK47: their first independent day
Who cares! Pakistan is created for Muslims anyway!
so before any Indian or my Liberals friend comment taking it for minority case.
I would just say Pak has many problems and they might have faced problems not becuz they are Hindus but because they are Pakistanis and every Pakistani has problems that doesnt mean that you leave our country. if its only you then understandable but here its the whole nation so plz dont make it a minority issuue. Had it been that why dint they leave in past 65 years!!
their houses were raided by unknown men and their women were forcefully converted.
when it comes to abusing women from other religions, Muslims dont give a damn. They take all liberties to themselves- raping, converting. Their women should be hidden off from the eyes of this whole world. What a pathetic people.
To the Hindu families who are coming to India - we say welcome home brothers and sisters. All of India is yours.
i hope one day all muslims leave india.I am afraid to live in this country because of muslims.
Many are waiting for visa !! it is very tough to get indian visa , once the liberal visa agreement between india and pakistan is signed , the number of migrating families will increase manyfold .
Of course, Islam is not to be blamed here.
The land of the pure getting purer.
What else can be expected out of a Non Secular Nation
Another step to make the country PAK SATANReally depressing & embarrassing for the country, but it’s nice, at least they have some option to move on!
while on the other hand,even the Muslims are abandoning their home land and running to Europe and America(any western country literally,as long as there are white girls there). i wonder who will call Pakistan as there home 50 years from now,if everyone runs out,guess India and China will have to split the land in half or only the remaining mullahs will make it paradise in search of the next great invader.
Now all the Pious Muslamaan will be happy to claim whatever property they have left behind. Sorry state of affairs for Pakistan. Today i feel so ashamed to be a Pakistani.
i hope muslims of india leave india as soon as possible. they r causing lots of troubles in india. Islamisization of bollywood is a disgrace.Many hindus in india must stop watching salman,shahrukh, and aamir khans movies. they r trying to convert hindus to muslims by movies.
We are overloaded with population . Along with Hindu population , we have over 150 million muslims and several million bangldeshis and Nepalis here .But still we have harmony , that's why no muslim is ready to leave for Pakistan or Bangldesh.Though we don't prevent you you to come here , we also don't recommend you to come here . Better settle in Western countries or rich arabian countries and be a member of Indian diasopra .
I live in a Hindu majority city Ghotki and trust me hindus have full control of business there. They have crippled local sindhi poor farmers etc with their ever increasing interest rates etc
Pakistgan civil society should come forward to see that its minorties are given proper protection,as in norm incivilised countries
Shame on you Pakistan!
Now they will celebrate Indian independence day on 15th August in INDIA.
Sad.
oh no........=P