Fazlur Rehman alleges Israeli involvement in Kashmir
The remarks came on “Kashmir Martyrs Day”, a day observed by Kashmiris to commemorate the sacrifices made in 1931 by the 21 Kashmiris who lost their lives in a revolt against the Dogra Kingdom of Jammu and Kashmir.
“Recently, Israel has inducted more armed personnel in Kashmir who have arrived under the guise of tourists,” alleged Rehman in an official statement.
He further revealed that the Indian forces are being abetted directly by US and Israeli military, “The US and Israeli military personnel are assisting over 800,000 Indian soldiers posted in Indian Kashmir.”
Rehman has admonished India for allowing the involvement of foreign military in Indian Kashmir. He underscored that the US and Israeli military, along with the Indian army are violating human rights in Indian Kashmir. Expressing his faith in a favourable outcome for the Kashmir issue, Rehman said: “Whatever India may do, it will eventually grant freedom to Indian Kashmir. History is witness to the fact that a nation that is determined to clinch freedom can’t be kept in bondage for an unlimited period of time”.
He said that the world community is now increasingly aware of the turmoil in Indian Kashmir, and voices are being raised against the plight of innocent Kashmiris. “The Kashmiris are indeed a valiant and brave people and the history of their freedom struggle is longer than that of the Indians or Pakistanis. Therefore, India would not be able to enslave them for long.”
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@asma: Why Kashmiris are not fighting against pakistani occupation, any reasons
@sidewinder: so, a nation of 5 million ppl are fools for demanding their political rights.i know indians dont need any body to tell them how to butcher little kids on streets which come on streets on seeing their neighbour friend's uncle's body pumped with bullets.and yes you could even shown likes of hitler how to massacare,enslave a nation for 60 years and yet project yourself as a victim.sure you are true to your woods and deeds!
@Altaf Hussain, Mumbai: i would be happy that you wont hide your identity behind a muslim name.pandits left kashmir bcoz they were promised by then governer jagmohan to leave kashmir till indian army clears kashmir off muslims and pandits can settle there for ever.you know,only only some hundreds pandits were killed but your media will always exagerrate it.killing 1.5 lakh kashmiris is not a joke.and all those murderers will pay a very heavy price.andits not 5 lakh,its 1 lakh and all these are enjoying pretty well life outside with all those priveleges showered.and yes there are still thousands of pandits here and no body has touched them!
I think the staement is for local consumption, being head of the Kashmir Committee of the assembly , he is justified to make statements on kashmir, second to be relevant he has to show he is part of the establishment , third the statement is drafted by the writers of the Rawalpindi wing of the foreign office. Look he has made headlines
@Aries,children throwing stones,.smart kids don't pelt stones,and do you think Indian armed forces need external help in tackling these tiny tots,who have formulated an easy way of bunking schools and earning easy bucks by pelting stone on paramilitary forces.those egging them know their importance as a cannon fodder.we subdued foreign militants along with their local cohorts by our own,rather many foreign Military are visiting India to learn the tricks of anti insurgency,which our forces have gained in the whole process of fighting insurgency in valley. and btw , i do not understand my Pakistani friends become totally numb at the agonies of their Baloch brothers ,while simultaneously becoming hyper receptive at any remote story @Kashmir.your this attitude cost you East Pakistan in 1971.
It is time to stop throwing mud at others as a political weapon. Please begin at home. So many innocent Pakistanis are dying because of internal terrorism. Start there. Think of a peaceful and prosperous Pakistan first. Kashmir comes after that. Earn the right to ask for Kashmir to be a part of Pakistan. Talking of Kashmir is a cheap political stunt.
@Tot ba tot: Yep the very same way Pakistan has been abusing its American aly for over a decade. Birds of the same flock.....
There are so many Indians who have nothing better to do than to than to comment statements by pakistani politicians that hardly warrant a response. But then you Indians have a long standing relationship with Maulanas. The Maulans father was pro congress and anti Jinnah as nearly all Deobandis. Most Islamists were against the Independence of Pakistan. Now you guys abuse your old allies... Shame on you!
If this is the quality of pakistani politicians, the country has no future. Delusions of this nature just show that the polity is truly going sick.
History is witness to the fact that a nation that is determined to clinch freedom can’t be kept in bondage for an unlimited period of time”.
Then same applies for Baluchistan.
Military personnel from 20 countries undergo training and staff courses in Indian Military establishments. Moreover, India would not ever commit a cardinal blunder of allowing a single Israelli or US boot in Kashmir which would invite mass protests from Kashmiris. Maulana's mind appears to be working overtime making unsubstantiated allegations.
The Maulana wanted to blame the Martians too.
Then he realised that the Martians were supposed to be GREEN.
@asma who writes "Am I reading it that right. What you are apparently saying is that Kashmiris are not fighting against tyranny, oppression and against Indian occupation? Either the media in India is just too fantastic that it numbs the thinking power of their nation or there is something wrong somewhere I cannot pinpoint…………"
You are reading it right. What I am saying is Kashmirirs are fighting an unjust cause. They are fighting against secularism, equal rights, freedom and democracy.
You cannot pinpoint what is wrong because that WRONG is right in your brain. It takes years and years of introspection to see those faults. Do you have it in you?
Fazlu should give more attention to the present plight of Pakistan if indeed he has some vision left in him
@A.S.Ahamed Farooq I am not at all surprised by what as happened in Kashmir. Our policy is to provoke the Indians into committing atrocities. I knew that thats what we would do when the insurgency started in 80's. It takes two to tango and we have played our part. It is a viscous cycle of hatred and we need to break this cycle for the for the sake of peace in the subcontinent.
What is the problem?
I am pretty sure neither Israel nor USA has any forces in Kashmir. However, the whole world is aware of the fact that Pakistan has invited Chinese forces in Gilgit-Baltistan area and there are reasons to believe that China is using G-B a collateral for its conditional security assistance in defense and on international arena.
Glad to note that Outlandish theories and dream of conquering Kashmir and India are still alive and well in Pakistan. This one topic has brought Pakistan to its current sorry state since independence. Few more rungs left to reach the dead bottom. With 'leaders' like this guy all it takes is for India to do nothing, just wait patiently !
wow.. i really admire the thoughts of you people about maulana. why i man looking like a muslim look atleast(having beard and turban); should be given any respect. respect should be given to people like imran khan, who has everything common with christians and jewish;by the look, his family, son and wife, i mean everything. if he had given this statement, then you people will praise him, because he belong to your class, like modern, secular etc. is that not true that isreal , america and india are not involved in balochistan, fata, swat etc. if they can join hands against pakistan in pakistan, then why not in kashmir. but you people are deaf and blind, sinking in the age of moderanism, where abusing Ullamah has become a fashion and praising these jewish, hindus and christian. better think about youe deeds, as muslaim and as a pakistani....May ALLAH show us the right way and true spirit of indentifying right and wrong.
@Qadir: ".... a Maulana with Beared they used to give respect by saying Chacha or Maulana Sahab…......but now when people see beared muslims they just run away from them…..."
So true. I did the former a lot growing up and still do so, but now only if I know the bearded Maulana very well; otherwise I am scared too. Interesting how perceptions change with events in the history.
@asma: Kashmir separatists have butchered, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists. Even some pro-India muslims were butchered by Terrorists trained in Pakistani training camps. Do you call this genuine cause? Kashmiri separatists have failed because they are morally bankrupt. Even so called moderate elements remained silent when Pandits were being butchered.Even in current Kashmir Gilani calls for ban on Music and everything he think is non-Islamic. Also take opinion of the muslims that live elsewhere in India. Their number is far greater than Muslims living in Kashmir. They have always chosen to live in secular, democratic and progressive setup that is offered only by India in this part of the world. Then shouldn't pakistan first provide facilities of education, infrastructure and security to the current part of Kashmir it occupies?
“Whatever India may do, it will eventually grant freedom to Indian Kashmir. History is witness to the fact that a nation that is determined to clinch freedom can’t be kept in bondage for an unlimited period of time”
By that coin, Balochistan will have the same fate, perhaps WAY before Kashmir. Or does the rule-of-history change per his convenience?
Due to extremism and jehadis induced in the kashmir by Pakistan..They don't want to make Kashmir Safe....Due to this extremism in late 1990's Kashmiri Muslims has driven out 500,00 Kashmiri Pandits...the Option they were given to Leave their women back or convert to Islam or Leave the Place.....they are still living in refugee camps...can you think such thing in Pakistan ..Hindus driving out people from Sindh...Anyway Now 15% Hindus at the time of partition is now reduced to just 1 % ..Where as in India Muslims grows from 10% to 15%...Indian has many muslim stars ,,,and had many muslim presidents...Do pakistan even be able to compare itself with India...However there are unfortunate incidents like Babri Masjid and Godhara which sparked Gujrat incident but it never create ever standing strain in the society because people call these incidents unfortunate and move on............................................................Due to Extremism and pakistan being the epidemic center of Terrorism.......People are now afraid of muslims ....People don't want to rent their home to Muslims....I remeber the days till 2005 people most of the people in Bombay when they say a Maulana with Beared they used to give respect by saying Chacha or Maulana Sahab...but now when people see beared muslims they just run away from them.......................So best thing that pakistanis can give faovour to indian muslims is to Keep mind in your own matter...you guys has already cleased your minorites ..Every day there is an incdent of forced conversion killing....Now when minorities are on the verge of getting finished ..you guys starting killing Muslims....Which Islam you guys following.......Islam is supposed to be a religion of Peace....People laugh after hearing this statement....So please concentrate on Human Right violations happening in Baluchistan.....We INDIANS want a peaceful pakistan....that will be helpfull for our growth....... Thanks, Qadir Khan
Although he has left the ruling coalition, they have allowed him to retain the post of' ' Chairman of the parliamentary committee on Kashmir affairs ' - so every now and then he has to say something, apparently anything, in order to justify this post and whatever goes with it.
@Altaf Hussain, Mumbai: Lets forget about the Kashmiri Hindus for a minute (how sick of me to say that); these very thekedars of the Ummah dont utter a word on the plight of Uyighars of China? Baaahhhh forget it... dont feel like commenting on such topics... itni mayoosi chha jaati hai after reading sick minds who keep harping the ingrained dadi and nani bed time tales!
Aqal ke nakhun kam hain, aaj Quaid ka Pakistan dafn hai.
Thank your lucky stars, that you actually are not on Israel's radar ! Trust me they would not have been as tolerant and patiant as the Indians have been with you !
If this maulvi and Zaid Hamid's statements are taken to be true,then one should give respect to Israel than to condemn them
Just think,a country of 7 million population in a desert HAVING NO OIL and sandwiched between hostile Arab countries has a healthy economy of $250 billion...Has agents all over the muslim and non-muslim countries...Creates terrorism in muslim countries...modifies the weather to create floods...and now can control the people of Kashmir..
Wah!Wah! These Jews must be something,1 Jew =1000 non-jews
@A.S.Ahamed Farooq: The very shameless and disgraceful people of India are waiting for Pakistani Saints to first vacate PoK so that the terms of plebicite are followed to the 't'! So c'mon now... please show us beghairat Indians how Bade Dil Wale you guys can be!
Jazbaati takreerein karna koi aap se seekhe.
In other news, the Israelis and the Indians forced Moody to downgrade the Pakistan’s sovereign credit rating...
@mr. righty rightist: 'However, all those independence movements which have succeeded were genuine causes. They were fighting against tyranny and oppression and against foreign occupation'.
Am I reading it that right. What you are apparently saying is that Kashmiris are not fighting against tyranny, oppression and against Indian occupation? Either the media in India is just too fantastic that it numbs the thinking power of their nation or there is something wrong somewhere I cannot pinpoint.............
Nicely Said Mr. Fazlur Rehman.Certainly Israels are involve in this matter,indeed they have sustain India and want to devastate but the question takes place in my mind that when there was partition of India then Hyderabad(dakan) was in our part but they claim that there is majority of Hindus living there and they got that but if we ponder a little that Kashmir majority is Muslims then why our politicians are not asking for.
Looks like the Pakistanis find it very difficult to accept the fact that 65 years of their effort has all gone to waste with them not being able to make India budge an inch on Kashmir. It also appears that they find it difficult to imagine that India could absorb all that Pakistan had to throw at India on its own without requiring any crutches to do the heavy lifting. Hence this appears nothing but an attempt at creating a new narrative that Pakistan couldn't defeat India on Jammu and Kashmir due to the involvement of US and Israel. It looks like the maulana thinks India is Pakistan where any Tom, Dick and Harry can come and dictate policies. I hope the Pakistani people will resist this attempt to create a new narrative and see things as they are. That Pakistani establishment's (of which the maulana might be an integral part of) has taken Pakistan to the brink of disaster over it's obsession with Kashmir. Only the people of Pakistan can now save themselves from this rapacious elite that has little concern for the common man.
Israel is the best excuse for not doing any thing. Oh Molve Sahib, learn to speak the truth and start working for the country rather than shifting every blame to others.
flogging a dead horse...
Right now it is time to bring freedom to Syria not Kashmir.
@A.S.Ahamed Farooq: You sir are yet another expert on UN plebiscite on Kashmir. Can you please explain why Pakistan does not do agree following three pre-conditions of plebisicte. 1. Remove all your army. Your army will never agree to withdraw out of Pakisatn Occupied Kashmir. So this condition cannot be met by Pakistan. 2. Maintain demography. For which Pakistan will have to remove all Sindhis and Punjabis and restore original inhabitants in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. Also they have to call ack all punjabi militants from Indian Kashmir valley and India has to make sure all Kashmiri pundits and Hindus and Sikhs drove away from Valley are restored back. Since it is practically impossible, this condition cannot be met by Pakistan. 3. Maintain geography. Pakistan gifted quite a chunk of their kashmir to China. Please get it back. It is not your land to trade. Since this also you cannot do, this condition too cannot be met by Pakistan.
So out of 3 pre-conditions Pakistan is not ready to follow any. So tell me, who is avoiding plebiscite ? India or Pakistan ?
@A.S.Ahamed Farooq: I hope you realize that ALL of the discontent is restricted to some in the valley. Elsewhere in Jammu and Leh, no one is bothered. Now let me explain to you a few more things:
In the comparatively loose Indian federal structure, any one can aspire for a state or country. In fact, states like UP have been split earlier based on agitation and currently there is one on in AP. Long story short, any regional leader aspires to have his own state or preferably a country -- Nothing propels you on to the world stage as much as your own country. Heck, if I could, I would proclaim my plot of land to be a country of its own.
Secondly, for all the ammo India has, it has been comparatively restrained. Do you care to ask why 800,000 soldiers (I have no idea if it is true!) are in the valley? The only reason for that is your own country. In other places where low intensity warfare exists like for instance the Naxal problem areas, India only maintains a paramilitary force with weapons from the days of the British Raj.
Thirdly, like it or not, you have to credit India with article 370. Look at your higher-than-mountains friend. They have let Tibet be occupied by Han Chinese. If it wasn't for Article 370, I may have retired in the foothills of the Himalayas and and written to you that everything is peachy during my boat-ride on my own boat on the Dal Lake.
Fourthly, Kashmir is like Afghanistan. It is landlocked. You think you can have Kashmir by the 'nads if it becomes independent.
Anyway my friend, it is time to move on. Don't be bleeding hearts. Focus on our own problems. During the Kargil war, India lost soldiers but still ensured that we did not trespass the LOC. We just want to be left alone in peace.
He never speaks of human rights violations by ruling elite in pakistan; rather he has always been part of coalitions
A.S.Ahamed Farooq
Thank you for trying to keep Pakistan on the path of righteousness and justice.
He is the worst politician in the country's history..
Somebody please tell him to give us a break! its not even funny anymore!
Hats off to the brave and valiant people of Kashmir,who have been waging their struggle for independence for over a half a century against the mighty Indian army..Realizing the inability of the 800,000 Indian jawans to accomplish the task of crushing the people's uprising ,,the mighty Indian army has shamelessly sought the assistance of Israeli and the US security forces to suppress the Freedom struggle of the people of Kashmir. In the process the forces belonging to India,America and Israeli have committed grave Human Rights violations against people in Kashmir, which are worse that those committed in some other areas.The International community's obligation to intervene in Kashmir to aid the people of Kashmir to achieve the objectives is undeniable.Their legitimate right to self determination can not be denied.India has undertaken at the United Nations to concede to the people of Kashmir the right to express their wish at a Plebescite held by the UN whether they want to be with India or an Independent state.India,which claim to be a regional power and a leader of the non aligned movement,has failed to fulfill this obligation.India has shamelessly and disgracefully defied the United Nations by refusing to hold that Plebiscite.
Of course and the Israelis are also responsible for load shedding, poverty and corruption in Pakistan. Makes perfect sense, to an idiot, that is.
Very plausible and serious.A person of the Maulana's status would not make a statement of such import lightly. With this, an extremely dangerous new dimension has been added to Pakistan's immediate threat profile. Military must be completely ready to defend every inch of the land from the many malignant forces making their way to the periphery.
Why did he stop with only US and Israeli troops??? Didnt he find the aliens from Mars roaming around freely in Kashmir valley who for some reason tend to attack only the Muslims?
While his propaganda is annoying ,it is TRUE that Israeli military is training the Indians in Kashmir.
Im not a fan of maulana but He's got a point here. I read in a British newspaper during the protests by Kashmiris in 2009-10 that Indians have requested israel for assistance in curbing the mass movement. People ain't taking him seriously because of his beard and that's pathetic. Sometimes imran khan gives statements on mere hearsay and this Internet brigade starts showering him with praises. Maulana is a shrewd politician and he would never give a statement for cheap publicity. I know he doesn't have a good track record but this statement shouldn't be ignored.
@mr. righty rightist:
Oh perfectly right Sir
@asma who writes "Horribly wrong statement. Do you believe all those who are embracing martyrdom are senseless kashmiris? Or those who think like you are! Read history of nations that gained independence so that you may increase your general knowledge of such nations!!!"
You are right that RAW is WAR made an idiotic statement. His statement is devoid of truth.
However, all those independence movements which have succeeded were genuine causes. They were fighting against tyranny and oppression and against foreign occupation.
But Kashmir cause is bigoted. Because they are fighting against equal rights and democracy and secularism. And here Muslims are the occupiers of South Asia. Also, after independence, Kashmir wants to turn itself into another Pakistan - a repressive and regressive society.
If we have leaders like honorable Maulana than we definately do not need any enemies! Again RAW+MOSSAD+CIA Conspiracies, Pan Islamic Vision, Strategic Depth, etc. Get real for God sake!
@Raw is War
Dear sir, you cannot argue stupidity with stupidity.
Be sensible.
MORAL OF THE STORY:-it is still easy to get votes in pakistan condemning india and Israelis.
A shrewd politician. Knows how to hike the price (Dual nationality bill still to come into the Parliament).
@Raw is War: Horribly wrong statement. Do you believe all those who are embracing martyrdom are senseless kashmiris? Or those who think like you are! Read history of nations that gained independence so that you may increase your general knowledge of such nations!!!
Chairman of the Parliamentary Special Committee on Kashmir Maulana Fazlur Rehman: US and Israeli military personnel are assisting over 800,000 Indian soldiers posted in occupied Kashmir.
hahahahahaha... Joke of the Day.
@harkol: Dude, wait until the day they start claiming that its people from all other planets from Mercury to the latest discovered tenth planet of our solar system (UB313) who are planning to defame Pakistan as they are in collaboration with the CIA, RAW and Mossad!!
Israelis? Is Mr. Fazlur Rehman sure it is not Martians who are aiding Indians?
He does have a point. The Guardian newspaper published an article on Torture by Indian authorities on stone- throwing children in Kashmir. Channel 4 UK also aired a program highlighting horrific cases of torture. They were using the same methods employed by the Israelis in putting down the Intifada.
Is he the best person out of a lot of 180 million people to lead a Parliamentary Committee?
Such are the worst enemies of Pakistan. Will anyone in his senses believe the Maulana? He surely is catering to the other type of people.
speaks volume about the type of leaders Pakistan has. How come these leaders miss a Osama in Pakistan but find Israelis and Americans in Kashmir? No wonder whole world laughs at such leaders.
You have to admire the Jews. Just 15 million of them, yet they are allegedly oppressing 1.6 billion Muslims. We should learn from them instead of cursing them.
And what excatly will Israeli military achieve there? They have their hands full in west bank, gaza and with Iran. With what objective will they send their military to faraway Kashmir?
mullah mian, forget it. Kashmiris no longer want to leave. They love India.
And with this man as the Chairman of the committee,speaks volume of what we think of Kashimir!
His statements are getting more and more desperate, I guess that the price one pays to remain relevant.