The demolition took place on the application of Saqib Shakeel Ghazi, Syed Iftikhar Kazmi and others from the Barelvi religious organisation called Tehreek-e-Tahaffuz-e-Islam. It had been filed to the Kharian police station.
The application asked the police to take action under the Section 298 B and C of the 1984 ordinance, which declares it illegal for Ahmadis to act or look like Muslims, to practice or propagate their faith and to call their worship place a “mosque”. There were no court orders for the demolition.
Police personnel, under the supervision of DSP Sultan Meeran, assisted by SHO Kharian Sadar Police Station Raja Zahid went to the worship place located near Kabari Bazar, Pul Nullah in Kharian.
Ahmadi community spokesperson in Kharian, Nasir Dar told The Express Tribune that six minarets had already been demolished whereas the police would demolish the two bigger ones later on as one was attached to the worship place’s electric supply and the other would fall on the building if not taken apart with the help of skilled labour.
The Kalma written on the front of the worship place’s entrance was also removed by the police as well, and the complimentary quotes about Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) were whitewashed.
SHO Raja Zahid said, “Everything was done amicably and peacefully and 80% of the work has been completed.”
Zahid further told The Express Tribune that after receiving the application from the afore-mentioned religious organizations, two meetings with the Ahmadi community and the applicants of the religious organization were held.
Afterwards a committee formed by DSP Sultan Meeran decided that it would be better to demolish the minarets. Zahid added that “noted and respected citizens were part of this committee also.”
SHO Raja Zahid said that the decision to demolish the minarets and other similar actions taken regarding Baitul Hamd were done “after a mutual consensus of the parties involved and the Qadiani community members who were very cooperative”.
“The reason for taking armed police personnel was for the protection of the Qadiyani community also,” said a police official.
Zahid added that, “We made sure that we were respectful, but the law of 298-B clearly states that Qadianis cannot call their worship place a ‘mosque’, so if it cannot be called that, then it cannot resemble the mosque either,” said Zahid.
However, Nasir Dar interprets the “mutual consensus” differently.
Dar said, “In our meeting with the police and the applicants, we told them that they can take off the Kalma and whitewash the quotes, if they think that displaying these texts was an illegal act by the community but told them that we would not do it with our own hands.”
Dar further said that when the minarets demolition came up, community thought that it was too much and told the police that “the minarets should only be demolished unless there is a court order to do so.”
“In fact we pleaded that the minarets should not be touched but nobody paid attention to our plight,” added Dar.
This is the first demolition of Ahmadi worship places’ minarets by Police after 1984. However there are a number of worship places which are sealed by the authorities, the community members say. There have been incidents where the Kalma has been removed or hidden from the worship places by the authorities, despite community protests.
He said that the community could not do anything except let the demolition happen because they do not disobey the law. Dar alleges that during the two combined meetings with the Tehreek-e-Tahaffuz-e-Islam members and the SHO, Saqib Shakeel Ghazi threatened that if the police did not demolish the minarets, they would do so themselves.
Baitul Hamd was built in 1980, four years before the 1984 Ordinance. The spokesperson for the Ahmadi community in Pakistan, Saleemuddin said, “Is there a patent for the design of a minaret that these people have?”
“All kinds of buildings have minarets and domes as part of their designs then why can’t the Ahmadis retain the ones which are on the pre-1984 worship places?”
Speaking to The Express Tribune, Hussain Naqi, a senior member of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said “The police and state are not timid in such incidents, they are not even appeasing to the extremist elements but conniving with them.”
Naqi added that the Chief Justice of Pakistan should take a suo motu. “Till the blasphemy laws are repealed such incidents will keep happening,” he said, adding that the police whitewashing the complimentary quotes for the Prophet and taking off the Kalma tiles was an act of blasphemy as well.
This is the third major incident this year which involves the status of an Ahmadi place of worship. In May 2012, a lower court in Lahore, ordered the police to act as per law on an application which asked for the demolition of Baitul Zikr in Lahore.
In March, couplets of the Holy Quran written on tiles at the Sultanpura place of worship in Lahore were desecrated when police got them removed via labourers.
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@Babloo: And that's why it is worse. The act was state orchestrated and not an act of mob justice which may take place when emotions run high. It is a deliberate and calculated act of putting down a minority. It is easy to see a parallel between this act and what happened in Ayodhya. Except in Ayodhya it was a mob that demolished the mosque and not the government itself.
@SaQiB: "lure" its not a candy shop thats luring young childern? Its a mosque for goodness sake, you should feel ashamed to say such rediculous things.
We are "What we are". The leopard does not changes its spots stuff. Sad but true.
can this be call law? how can you be so wicked.is that what the prophet s.a.w. thought us to behave?have you forgotten that will bear so many branches?
@Guggamugga: i respect your gratitude for ahmadies but i dont think its proper to call someone wrong at this place where we are showing sympathies and criticising such brutal efforts some one might pop out claiming to be shia or ahmadi and start calling you wrong its a different matter to be resolved..for now...this act shows why islam is faced with challenges:(
I am Sunni and currently reside in USA. I am a very religious and also have some very close friends for the past 30 years who are Ahmadi. I totally agree that they are on a wrong path but also no one has any authority to hurt any place of worship. This is sad and dont think the right way to do it.
The Prophet's masjid at Medina was a simple earth floor compound with a dates tree roof. Minarets became an Islamic symbol much later and have no mention in the scriptures. Today minarets are every where, they are at the Golden Temple, the Lal Qila (in Dehli and on Sharah Faisal). As spirituality and piousness diminishes, worldly symbols ascent.
it's really touching how they can spread islam while Holy Prophet(saw) strictly gave shelter to zimmies(non-muslims) living in his reign,prohibiting any muslim from killing children or women or 'Rahibs' or demolishing worship places,islam means peace..what a demonstrations by such extremists
I see no difference between this incident and babri masjid demolition in India . However in Babri masjid case ,we indians irrespective of religion ,we still get blow back as bombs in major cities but in pakistan case ,these ahamedis are not revolting with violence and I appreciate that and I believe , if GOD exist will save this ahamedi community from further torture.
this is Pakistan the country who got on the name of Islam and now a days you can see these are publishing Islam with there behavior Islam does not say this that you go to others mosque and demolish them but Islam said that if even there is war so than you have not to establish there mosque but these mullas said that go to their ahmadies mosque and demolish them if you do this you can go to jannat. This is not Islam So please notice it Thank to tribune news for publishing this news
@Munnabhai Ahmadism is not a "DIFFERENT BRANCH OF ISLAM". Get it clear in your head and get your beliefs straightened.
I however, condemn the act. Especially when taken without any court order. Since when have the police been allowed to act without court's word?
@kaalchakra: You're honestly blaming Ahmadis for the oppression we face in Pakistan? You think that its acceptable to designate laws and policies that intentionally denigrate a minority group? Do you also blame rape victims in Saudi Arabia for not wearing full Niqabs? - that is basically an analogous argument. Last time I checked, it is a requirement under an ISLAMIC framework to allow people to practice their faith freely and without hindrance. It is part of an ISLAMIC framework to extend full rights to all citizens. It is part of an ISLAMIC framework to not judge who is and Isn't a Muslim. Would the Holy Prophet (SAW) ever whitewash the Kalima? Would the Holy Prophet (SAW) ever rip down portions of a Mosque? The Example that the Holy Prophet (SAW) set included granting people full rights to suffrage (the Charter of Medina) and full protection for minority groups (The Letter to the Saint Catherine's Monastery). - That is the example of the Islam that I know of. I sincerely hope you find it in your heart to accept the true teachings of Islam.
@Rahman:
I usually do not comment and I am a secular guy from a a sunni family. Yet your lies are just that. lies. You guys claim him to be the promised mahdi. I know this from ahmadi friends. My point is, just dont lie.
very very sad,all this is happening against what our creater Allah Almighty says,wait and see what is going to happen,fear Allah,learn from history..
ALLHA fazal krne wala h...
Allah Sab per Rehum Fermay. Ameen
Azhar Ahmed
People have a right to follow different value systems, if they so wish. You and I may find many things vile. In Pakistan, Ghazi Illumuddin, for instance, has always been a great hero, including for Ahmadis (unless they made a great deal of noise against him, at any time in the past). Was Pakistan always vile? It is a matter of perceptions and different value systems.
My basic point is that the problems that Ahmadis face in Pakistan arise from their deliberately violating national laws. Ahmadis should convince Muslims that those laws are undeserved in an ISLAMIC framework.
@kaalchakra: Furthermore, What you meant to say was that one of the points I made is debatable. Once again, your inability to comprehend English is cause for concern. And about Voting rights, what you described where "Full Rights" which not having to voilate one's moral conscious in order to cast a ballot. This includes for Ahmadis, not having to check non-Muslim on their ballot. Wouldn't you say that I am depriving you of your FULL Rights if I made you check a box declaring that you are a homosexual in order for you to vote? you probably wouldn't like it, as a matter of fact, you probably abstain from voting. but in the event that you would vote in this fictional setting just to spite me, I am sure there are people with higher integrity who would not vote in order to avoid making a false statement, because after all, truthfulness is a fundamental tenant of Islam! And going back to your statement, "Nothing you wrote is remotely true" please, enlighten me as to how I am floating in a "sea of wrong" and you are the captain of the vessel, the "S.S. Correct?"
@kaalchakra: Dear Kaalchakra Sahib, U read Kalma, u read Quran, u read Namaz, u do Fasting, U try to follow Hazarat Muhammad( P.B.U.H) footstep *Right and if some political leader says ( for his own benefit) " you are not Muslim" what will you do. Can you tell me plz. Exactly the same way, we say Kalma, we do our 5 times Namaz, we recite Quran ( sameone which you have because Allah took the responsibility that not a single word, not even any zeer zabar of Quran can be changed up till Day of Judgement), we do fasting in Ramadan with same time of sehrri and Iftar as per Islamic law. We try to follow only and only Prophet Mohammad ( P.B.U.H) footsteps ....Then can u plzzzzz explain it to me why shouldn't we fight ( Not through killing innocent people ) but through giving awareness to the ignorant people like you. Who are totally brainwashed by so called Mullah ( i am not talking about all of them but most of them) May Allah help you and guide you to the right path Ameen
Ahmadis are true muslim. A human has no right to judge who is muslim and who isn't. Only Allah has the power to do so.@Fahad Raza:
Islam teaches one thing- no violence.@True Muslim Paki:
@kaalchakra: "Nothing I wrote is remotely true" really, you are posting that on a story in which the main topic is that an Ahmadi Mosque was partly demoished when one of my points was that Ahmadis aren't given equal rights, good going bro. And identifying as a separate ground inherently makes the voting process unequal and opens the door, as we have seen, to unequal treatment. And as to literally each and every other point I made, how are they not true? And as we've seen with people like Salman Taseer, anytime a politician speaks in favour of minority groups (like speaking out against the very laws that authorized the government to demolish the Minarets), empowered terrorists silence opposition so it disenfranchses people from acting toward minority rights. By the way, how's the trial going for that guy, you know, the one who assassinated a minister then was hailed as a hero in Pakistan. Only in Pakistan would a society praise and propogate such a vile person.
Azhar Ahmed
Nothing you wrote in your post is remotely true, and that is the fundamental problem with Ahmadis.
Allow me to explain. Ahmadis are free to vote in Pakistan. Some of them choose to not vote because they do not wish to abide by the law that identifies them as a separate group. Please tell us whether that is right or not.
@Naseer Qureshi: MY dear Mr N. Qureshi "In addition, to appease the sentiments of many moderate or fundamental muslims at that time a highly secular government of Pakistan, PPP, came up with an idea of legislating for that issue to keep the harmony and peace in very volatile society. I strongly believe that PPP government very smartly solved the issue and prevented many innocient lives from being lost". Then what about the revelation which I quoted in one of my earlier comment that Mr Z.A Bhutto took this political step to please his masters belonging to Saudi Arabia and the decision was not based on some theological ground.
Great! Atleast something is being done for the rule of the law!
@Imran Malik: You're missing the point here. Its not who's God we're talking about. We are talking about One God, and the rules set by that God only. Its about how one is supposed to take things. If you have forgotten the five pillars, the first one is Tauheed, and if you change that, then my friend you are changing the entirety of what we call Islam. We might consider freedom of speech and everything, but nobody would want their religion to be preached differently than it is supposed to be done. I do agree, that a court order should have been sought, but defending whats wrong just for the sake of being termed someone moderated or having a "broader mindset" is not anything sane. Since at the end of the day you face Allah the same way I or anybody else would.
@Faiza Kazmi: I can tell you right now that your statement is blatantly false. In America, Muslims have the right to hold office and vote freely. In Pakistan, Ahmadis can do neither. In America, Muslims can build Mosques with Minarets. In Pakistan, Ahmadis cannot. In America, if terrorists attacked a Mosque killing 90 people, the perpetrators would be held accountable for their crime. In Pakistan, when terrorists act against Ahmadis, they are not held accountable. If you would like further examples of how your statement is plainly wrong, I am happy to oblige. Check-Mate.
Appalling news. As a European reading this I can't believe that there are so many primitive-minded people in Pakistan, some of the comments here make the point, to call them barbaric is an understatement. There is obviously a lot of collusion between politicians, the police and the evil mullahs, who seem to have so much power. Let people practice their religions. The Ahmadis are a peaceful group of people, and other Muslims could learn a lot from them about how to practice true Islam. Pakistan is on the road to self-destruction, we see daily what is going on, raving, long-bearded lunatics creating chaos in the country. Shame on those who are contributing to its destruction. The world is watching.
@kaalchakra: I think your definition of "full rights" is flawed. Full rights would include the right to vote, the right to hold office, the right to say "Salaam," full rights includes the right to display the Kalima on your building, full rights include the right to build a minaret, full rights include the right to call your mosque a mosque, full rights include the right to call yourself a Muslim. full rights include allowing your only Nobel Leaureate to have the word "Muslim" on his tombstone, it includes the right have the terrorists who massacred 90 people put on trial and punished for their crime, it includes the right to have access to education without discrimination. If you would like, I can continue my definition of the term "full rights."
Disgraceful !!! What else do we expect now ? The Hindus, Sikhs and the christains are in two less a number to be ill treated by all the fanatics now. It's the turn of the ahmadis which will be followed by the shias and the ismaili next. Fanatics thrive on hatered and extremism. It is inter sect violence now since the non Muslims are too less in number now. Pity.
I am sad after this news living in Europe where ever one has respect for all reliogns while in a islamic country mosque minirties are removed if this thing happen in Europe all muslim countries raise voices.
People who are doing these acts just remember when almighty Allah will do justices then who will save them from Allah.
...And what our police keeps forgetting is that on whose behest they are acting in such shameless manner are the same people who are creating a law and order situation in the province and, not to forget, attacking and killing the police jawans and officers.
Very pathatic act. This is not the Pakistan dreamt by Quaid i Azam. This is the worst example of violation of basic human rights. With these rituals how can we survive in the global village. Where is Chief Justice's sou moto now?
They have no fear of God they are demolishing God,s home.It dosn,t matter who is worshiping there because they worshiping to the same God.
The only that to my mind after reading this article: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0714IbwC3HA
@kaalchakra:
now that one is a gem of wisdom..... lets see how others counter this.......
wasnt it the Pakistan media who made huw & cry about Babri masjid demolition? why are they silent now? Isnt it much worse than that coz its done BY THE STATE? Sheer hypocracy? What right Pakistan have today to call itself a place for muslims when its fighting among diff sects like this?
Extremely disappointed and disturbed to see continued extremist acts by elements in Pakistan...this is in violation of basic tenets of protecting citizens and allowing basic freedoms that Holy Prophet (PBUH) practised all his life....
No wonder our country is cursed from all fronts...floods, dengue, internal strife and bloodshed, war, and corrupt leaders...
WE ARE OUR OWN WORST ENEMY !
@OME: Who is this? Munna bhai of bollywood! no can't be him either, even he has a heart and brains to match to not say something like this. You sound so ignorant of your being and surroundings. I pray for you that Allah gives you wisdom and knowledge. Amin.
jazakallah rabia mehmood ..................you are brave ..
Hazrat Mohammed, peace and blessings of Allah be on him, let people of the other religions pray in Masjid-e-Nabwi, and the so called Muslims of Pakistan are stopping those from using the mosque, who believe in lailahaillallaho mohammedurrasoolallah!!! Who are they following! Not the Muslim Prophet Mohammad(saw) for sure! May Allah give them guidance and knowledge, and wisdom of true Islam. Ameen.
Love for all hatered for none.
Aim757
Do you want to know of one person who "demolished a place of worship"? Our beloved Prophet Muhmmad (PBUH). And throughout history hundreds of thousands of 'places of worship' have been destroyed and demolished. You appear to have come late to the party to be invoking shame at this stage.
Observer, no. And we do not think that is any form of discrimination. Would Christians accept a Muslim as a Pope?
The problem with Ahmadis is that they do not respect nor abide by the law that declares them non-Muslim and forbids them to try to pass themselves off as Muslims. They continue to do so with blatant disregard of the law and the wishes of the people around them. This distortion of Islam is extremely provocative and must cease forthwith. As a matter of fact Muslims have shown remarkable and unusual forbearance in this matter until now.
Umer
The so-called 'human rights' people know nothing of this matter, so their opinions have no relevance here. If you think Muslims in Pakistan are oppressing you, do get Islamic scholars from other countries to support the Ahmadi cause. If they support the Ahmadi cause, Ahmadi position will be far stronger.
O ALLAH, Did you saw what they did with your worship place? O My ALLAH, please understand my feelings as i have no words to describe my feelings.
It is estimated that there are over 100 billion galaxies in the Universe. Each of the galaxy consists of 100-200 billion stars. And most of the galaxies have been in existence for over 10 billion years. Religion has convinced human species that they are so special that God's all energy is directed towards them to ensure that all of them follow God's verbal command (documented by human species) of how life is to be lived on Earth. There are more stars in the Universe than all the grain of sands on earth. This is akin to saying that one particular grain of sand is very special out of all the grain of sands that ever existed on earth. Religion - Give me a break.
@Kashif: its true islam
If the Almighty has decided that Ahmadiyya Minarets will touch the skies, who on the face of earth can change this fate
@Imran Malik: then u r not true muslim
Shameful act in the presence of authorities. Inalillah e waina elah e rajeun
Removing a minaret or dome from an Ahmadi place of worship comes under the law and is a great service to Islam? I am flabbergasted by the deeds of these servants of Islam. As far as this Barelvi Set is concerned, just ask any Deobandi or Wahabi and he will let you know their reality. Instead of preaching Islam, they are preaching hatred, what a pity and what a shame.
Now a days Pakistan is passing through its very crucial days in every aspect of life. Nobody is safe here. Even Allah's house is not safe by the hands of these so-called mullahs, punjab Police and Punjab Govt. Where is CM shehbaz sahib? IS THIS ISLAM??? Do you have any justification
@faraz: I completely agree, the people of pakistan don't care what the law says, they only like to talk about the part of the law that gets their point across. That is called arrogance.
@Munnabhai
Ahmadi is not a branch of Muslim. They are Non-muslim
How is this different from the Babri Masjid demolition in India, that so many Pakistanis love to point out?
What happened to being the "Islamic Republic" is this the Islam you're teaching to our future generations? All you're teaching is that Islam cannot accept diversity and has no tolerance for others. Wow. Great representation of the Islamic culture and then you wonder why the rest of the world doesn't respect you. If you cannot respect your own people then the rest of the world shouldn't have to respect you. Shame on Pakistan and it's poor excuse for a name, there is nothing Pak about it and that's the truth.
@Fahad Raza: I don't requesting any certification of my faith from you or others but I just wanted to answer your questions. 1: We firmly believe in "la ilaha illallah muhammadur rasooluallah" with out any ifs or buts. 2: Hazrat Mohammad SAW was master of all prophets, khatamun nabaeen and rahmatul alameen. Mirza sahib was a servant and ummati of Holy Prophet Mohammad SAW. The only purpose of Mirza sahib was to revive the true teachings of Islam as it was practiced by Holy Prophet SAW. You do not have to accept his claim but you'll have to answer for your wrong accusations on the day of judgment. Therefore, do not spread wrong information, please.
@Khalq e Khuda:
"This law was n ot made by Bhutto Mr. Bhutto declared them non Muslims but there wasn’t any punishment or justification of such acts".
What right did Bhutto have to declare someone calling themselves Muslims as non-Muslims?
"This law is Ordinance XX issued by Zia ul Hai which allows police to jail Ahmedis if they recite Kalima."
Don't you think Zia's action was a natural outcome of Bhutto's decree?
@Awans:
This law was n ot made by Bhutto Mr. Bhutto declared them non Muslims but there wasn't any punishment or justification of such acts.
This law is Ordinance XX issued by Zia ul Hai which allows police to jail Ahmedis if they recite Kalima.
@kaalchakra:
"Islam gives equal but not the same rights to all. There is a difference between the two. As members of protected minority, Ahmadis do not lose any rights."
Does Islam give the right to become the head Calph in an Islamic Caliphte to non-Muslims?
religion is the root of all evil. it's time we abandon it and become a secular state. no religious state is thriving n progressing in present day n age. religion actively thwarts enlightenment and scientific progress because facts and research are its kryptonite coz they dnt play along with the lies written in these teachings.
Did God of Islam allowed Muslims to demolish place of Worship belong to any Faith, if Yes, can some one Quote the Verses from Quran in support of this ordain. If not than Shame on Muslims of Kharian, Pakistan for doing an act against Sharia dictated by Quran.
The Taj Mahal has dome and minarets. How many consider it a Mosque?
We complain about other countries for not respecting muslims in their countries. We riot, and damage our properties to protest the actions of other countries.
Yet we do this in our own backyards. What would be the reaction if there was another non-muslim country like pakistan out there..
We need to respect the minorities in our community, and let our faiths be our faiths. We have no right to be the moral police or religious police elsewhere. Jesus Christ has been known to say to correct our own actions before demanding others to follow. Each one of us- whether liberal, secular, religious etc are corrupt, all of us lie in some propensity, all of us bribe. There are maulvis out there that engage in sodomy on its pupils, maulvis that sell drugs (yes its true- personal experience) etc., and YET WE DEMAND THAT AHMEDIS ARE NOT MUSLIMS, AND THEIR PLACES OF WORSHIPS BE BROUGHT DOWN.
where were these tehreek-e-tuhufuzzat-e- islam when the taliban killed 19 of our soldiers in FATA, and then decapitated them, then photographed them, vidiotaped their heads, and then sent it to the media... Where were these bargeons of islam when a woman was shot dead in afghanistan for a mere allegation of adultery...
We as a society need to check ourselves first- individually, and then on a society level. My faith doesnt get strong, or weak if an ahmedi has his mosque and his minaret. I may have my own reservations about ahmedis, but I dont have a right to kill them, to call them names and so on, because only God knows what is true, and what is false.
@True Muslim Paki:
Do you support the law that allows burning of Quran and those that ban Hijab and mosques? How about Israeli laws against Palestinians? A large populations of those democratic countries support such laws therefore you must not complain also.
@kaalchakra: Really? All the world’s human rights organisation blame Pakistan for persecuting Ahmadis. This can’t be without basis. Human rights may not mean much within Pakistan under pressure from religious extremists but they do matter for a lot of world population.
@Imran Malik: Why do not people accept that it is everyones right how they do the worship. What is important is whether they behave ethically and have humanity or not. Muslims all over the world are becoming very intolerant and are losing their humanity becoming like animals. Shame shame.
@Imran Malik: Hrad to belive people like u do exist in Pakistan, especially after seeing the lack of empathy from general public towards salman taseer's murder.
Now where is Chief Justice now he never take so moto action against any one. Where his justice ? Is this is Islamic State of Quaid Azam. Very very very sham full to punjab government (Khadim Ala), police and pakistani courts.
"Dar said, “In our meeting with the police and the applicants, we told them that they can take off the Kalma and whitewash the quotes, if they think that displaying these texts was an illegal act by the community but told them that we would not do it with our own hands.”"
I am speechless! Long Live Punjab Police!
Suhaib Pakistani I am totally agree with you , if this Pakistani law it can be change in constitution ,But if it Isalmic law it cannot change. Also pl. change to Suhaib Islami. it will help lot of people understand your point of view. Pakistani people can make difference b/w right or wrong.
What? Their worship place can't even resemble "mosque"? And who would decide what's the standard form of a mosque? There are many mosques which doesn't necessarily have minarets or dome.
Even if we consider Ahmedis to be non-muslim as declared in the constitution, Doesn't non-muslims have right to worship? If there is a church with minaret, would that also be demolished? same goes for hindu temples too?
Why these kind of thing happened in Punjab mostly . Sipha Shaba , punjabi Taliban,Attack on Sri Lanka cricket team ,killing of governor ,killing of prime ministers , burning and killing in name Quran burning. disrespect of other Religon.
Imagine how things would be if they put this much effort into crimes that actually cause harm to people.
@Khalid Shah: Is this the Islam of our beloved prophet or is this the islam of the crazy mullah?
hey now i understand why pakistan is geting from bad to worse---unbelievable kalma tayyaba removal from place of worship.no doubt this country is under the wrath of all mightyAllah
Long live Kharian Police
Time to reflect!
Is it justified for one sect to destroy another's place of worship? Is it Okay to destroy the statues of Budha in Afghanistan like the Taliban did? Is Okay to destroy Jannah- Ul -Baqi like the Saudis do? Is Okay to bomb Shia or Sunni mosques in Iraq? Is it Okay to drive the Bahia out of Iran? Is it Okay to burn Mosques or Synagouges or Churches? Who gets to decide which sect is allowed to worship and which is not? Who gets to play God and decide the correct form of worship?
Give some feed back please... I am confused.
Right or wrong….But it is good to watch a great number of comments. I wonder, none of the above has ever raised voice on drown attacks on innocent lives, poor Afia issue, discriminatory behavior with Muslims across the globe. Unfair, isn’t it?
Please somebody wake me up from this nightmare ...someone needs to tell the SHO of karian Police and the local mullahs the meaning of Islam ...
Observer
Ahmadis have all the rights that they agree to accept. If they don't accept the rights and their attendant responsibilities as given to Pakistan's minorities, no-one can blame Muslims for the situation.
Just a quick response to Mian Dawood coment. Mian sb: Who do you follow, God's law or a self made country laws which are totally against the teaching of Islam. No country on the face of earth has any right to declare and impose any body religion. Quran teaches us "there is no compulsion in the religion". You are saying that it is "Blasphemy" to build a house of God with minerates but it is OK to white wash Kalma, the Kalma which every Muslim is supposed to protect and sacrifice his/her life for it.
Pakistan has officially entered the dark ages. Now it will take centuries to get out of this.
@True Muslim Paki: If vast majority of people support burning non muslims alive, will you make it a law under the pretext of being democratic ?
Every ZULM has end.Looks like that time is near.
Why does inhman lawas like "blasphemy" and "who has right to worship in a structure resemblig mosques" even exist is first place. What does it say about the country and it's people who blindly and overwhelmingly follow it. Non muslim worlds too shouldn't bend their laws and tradition to accomodate islamic religious beliefs. What France did was a right step,
Who cares if they want to have a mosque or Church and whatever. Stupid Mullahs and stupid laws passed by these dumb extremist dictators. Let Qadianis live the way they want to. If they want to call themselves muslims thats fine. I am pretty sure they are better muslims than lot of us.
"The Kalma written on the front of the worship place’s entrance was also removed by the police as well, and the complimentary quotes about Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) were whitewashed."
Says it all; no comment!
Dear Mr. M.A. Jinnah, wish you were here to see this. I guess human never learn at all. Thousands of wars on religious ground and still counting.
You will no doubt agree with me that the first duty of a government is to maintain law and order, so that the life, property, and religious beliefs of its subjects are fully protected by the State.....…if we want to make this great State of Pakistan happy and prosperous we should wholly and solely concentrate on the well-being of the people, and especially of the masses and the poor. (Address, Constituent Assembly of Pakistan, Karachi, 11 August 1947)
@Aroosha: who are you say Blasphemy laws have to be repealed? Let's presume for now, like & your secular/democratic/liberal lot keeping harping, isn't it unjustified in a democratic process to repeal a law which vast majority of people support? Let ET do a opinion poll & tell us the results!
The state of Pakistan, Pakistani constitution, or Islam is not against Ahmadis or any other minority. All members of minorities have protection of law like any majority member (muslim) living in Pakistan. The only difference is that it was the necessity of time that Pakistan's constitution define who is Muslim and who is not for two main purposes, 1) To stop imminent widespread bloodshed of Minorities (especially Qadianis) in the name of Islam by fundamentalists 2) To stop the ever increasing confusion, and I would like to call it "Fitna", arising from the two totally different religions with many dangerously same beliefs, supplementations and fundamentals. By belief if somebody believes in "Oneness of Allah and bears witness to the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad (pbuh)" he is a muslim. If somebody violates or does not believe in that fundamental belief or formula of Islam even a little bit then he is a non-muslim and considered member of minority but he/she still has the right to and freedom of religion and all other constitutional rights. Anyone who would not believe in this very fundamental belief of Islam is still an honorable citizen of Pakistan and enjoys all rights that any other citizen enjoys from any other religion. In addition, to appease the sentiments of many moderate or fundamental muslims at that time a highly secular government of Pakistan, PPP, came up with an idea of legislating for that issue to keep the harmony and peace in very volatile society. I strongly believe that PPP government very smartly solved the issue and prevented many innocient lives from being lost. However, no body is above the law. Nobody has the right to play with the sentiments of the members of the other religion. Constitution of Pakistan clearly outlaws imposture and therefore law should be abided by for the betterment of the society as a whole.
Well done kharian Police.
good decision by kharian police
@Kaalchakra
As members of protected minority, Ahmadis do not lose any rights.
So true. They never had any rights to begin with. And, you can not lose what you do not have.
@SaQiB: What you mean by "lure"....??? you can not lure someone into a religion..................it is not a short term thing....only those will embrace who think and understand what they are doing.....
Where is the suo moto action? We know our leaders are politicians but is judiciary any different?
Quaid-e-Azam had promised to all Pakistanis that they will be free to practice their religion. It is sad to see that today Pakistani State is demolishing worship places. Some commentators are terming Police action as enforcement of constitution, let me tell them that Anti-Ahmadiyya Ordinance of 1984 prohibits Ahmadis from calling their worship place as mosques, this ordinance was not passed by any parliament but by a dictator. But today we are so blind in our hatred against Ahmadis that we value dictator's law more than Quaid-e-Azam's words.
@Kashif: very much!
Whereever the religious minorities are treated unlawfully in Pakistan, I rememer Z A Bhutto. As a leader of liberal and progressive values, he made the Ahmadi community 'kafir' through parliament in the 1970s. After so many years after his political decision, Ahmadis continue to suffer from the hands of police and also from the very communal minded people in Pakistan.
I hope one day will come when an enlightened Parliament will sit and remove the decision of Z A Bhutto and the Ahmadi minority will live without fear and suffering in Pakistan.
Dr. Haidrani London
thats why this country will never succeed !!!
People quarreling over buildings,this is the level of our public's mentality.Instead of doing something constructive we are busy in opposing buildings and fighting over religious theology.Every one has the right to believe or not believe anything.Forcing someone through violence to become a believer won't achieve anything.Too much religion in society has destroyed our social fabric.
@Truth bites: Here we are talking human rights for minorities. Political or strategic decisions taken by countries are different. Dut to US attack on Iraq or Afganistan, no minority rights have been abolished. Muslims in USA including Ahmadiyya Community are enjoying all fundamental rights. The head of this deprived community recently visited the US congress and was welcomed there by few Senators. So my point is let the citizens of Pakistan to have their basic rights. What state does for strategic and political designs should not affect this basic issue.
Sad. This is something you would expect to hear in the 1980's in dictator Zia ul Haq's era, not the 2012 era of a supposed secular government.
After the elimination of Salman Taseer and Shahbaaz Bhatti there seems to be absolute fear in the minds of Pakistani liberals when it comes to raising voice for minorities in Pakistan. Many of these Pakistani liberals regularly appear on Indian TV channels and point out that Indian secularism is a sham. Where are those people when it comes to defending the tormented minorities in Pakistan?
tears in my eyes
Muslims in non Islamic countries have more rights than in so called Islamic countries. What a pathetic state of affairs.
@kaalchakra: You must have been reading a different story.
Who is "protected" here and who has the "full rights" that you wrote about?
Mazher
Islam gives equal but not the same rights to all. There is a difference between the two. As members of protected minority, Ahmadis do not lose any rights.
religion should never be the basis of forming countries because everyone thinks theirs' is right and someone elses' is wrong. it only leads to suppression of minorities! whose fault is it that some minorities are born here and have nowhere else to go? we need to add freedom of speech, religion etc. in our country and live and let live by example!! if we don't help our community become better, we'll become the basis of our own destruction!
@Awans: Who said I am defending Z.A.Bhutto rather he was the initiator who, as per statement of Dr Mubashar, did it to please his masters from Saudi Arabia. But you will bear me out that until the enactment of 1984 ordinance, atrocities committed against Ahmadiyya community were very rare. If you refute then bring the concrete proofs. It is after 1984 the plight of Ahamdiyya community started worsening. It was Zia who introduced clauses 295 and 298 encouraging the opponents of Ahmadiyya to create problems for Ahamdies. Before 1984 there were no laws to punish Ahamdies if any one said Assalamoalikum, mosque were not demolished. It was just lip service to treat the community as non Muslim for legal and constitutional purposes. In the city of Chanab Nagar (Rabwah) the annual gathering was allowed till the enactment of 1984 ordinance. Try to read the Ahmadiyya Atrocity History and you will bear me out that it crossed sound barrier jet speed after 1984.
Well this is an obvious truth that more then an average muslim populataion in Pakistan does not believe that a member of a minority should have equal rights to live as they want and express as they want. Since the inception of Pakistan was on the basis of two nation theory(hatred/Intolarence) and for the formation of security state. It is intolarable two show love, kindness and respect to Hindus, Christians and Ahmedis(Muslim)
i just have to ask one question which is "what if those same people, who got the minarets demolished, were born in a country in which they were considered as minorities and the authorities of that country would have behaved with them in the same way, how would they have felt?" Well in my point of view there would have been protests, rallies, chaos, etc, etc..... Patience practised by Ahmadiya community is the real teachings of Islam and Holy Prophet (PBUH) its the only way to call for a justice of Allah
Who are they to judge someone's faith? I wish to be secular. ITS AN UTTER STATE OF SHAME FOR ALL PAKISTANIS!
The world is investigating Higgs particle and Pakistan is demolishing mosques.
@Z.Khan: there is a need to restore sanity and rationality in the society
Which of your political leaders are actually capable of dealing with this injustice ? NONE ! There is a serious vacuum of inteligent people in this country of 180 million people ! Yet they have audacity to reside in UK and demand for Sharia Laws for them ! They should thank their lucky stars that people of UK actually allow them to build Mosques and practice their religion too ! So why are all these Purists still accepting Aid and Handouts from these very Kafir Nations? I don't see any Middle Eastern Nations queueing up to give Aid !
"you are free. You are free to go to your mosques, to your temples...." long live Jinnah whoses dream Pakistan died with his death.
Pakistan is increasingly looking like pre-World War Germany. As Germans caused chaos at the start of the 20th century, Pakistan will cause chaos in the world at the start of the 21st century. This is just a precursor of what to expect in the next 20 years!
With this kind of acts, Pakistan definitely (morally too) losing its voice in support of TRUE Muslims in other countries......
@Awans: Agreed the first stone was thrown by PP founder. Why he did it explicitly has been revealed by Dr Mubashar Hassan in a recent TV interview. However the worst started with Zia when hen enacted 1984 ordinance. These days all such acts are taken in the light of 1984 ordinance. Irrespective of the fact who started and who worsened it, there is a need to restore sanity and rationality in the society. Many reformations are taking place these days in Pakistan. At times for the interest of few politicians prompt legislation is also activated. SC is also very active for restoration of fundamental rights of citizens. Followers of Ahmadiyya belief are also human beings and are loyal, faithful and peaceful citizens of Pakistan. Freedom of worship as per perceived belief is their basic and fundamental right. It has been guaranteed in UN Human Rights Charter to which Pakistan is a signatory as such state and judiciary should ensure it. Civil society also owes the responsibility to raise the voice against atrocities committed to this community. Hope some stoppage will be ordered by some one and it should be taken enough is enough.
seriously man... this is clear intimidation
@Masood Nasir: Very well said. It hold true to western country as well where Muslim are prosecuted just as ahmedias in Pk. And the prosecution is called LAW . I guess we are not different than they are
@Shayan
The law doesn’t apply to worship places built before the promulgation of 1984 ordinance, and this particular building was built in 1980. You failed to conceal your bias under the guise of law; basically you don’t care about law, you are happy minarets got demolished
If a variation of Islam like the Shias or Ahmadis cannot live safely in Pakistan one can only guess about other minorities and their plight to practice their religion.Yet curiously the rights denied in Pakistan to minorities is demanded and criticized as discrimination if not granted in other countries like France,Switzerland,Holland or USA .They cannot enact laws like the veil to make life safer for their citizens
I am glad the matter was settled amicably. As protected minorities, Ahmadies have full rights. If they also observe the obligations of minorities toward the Islamic majority, they can live in peace.
Its a clear case of someone breaking the law. If ahmmedis have a problem they should look for an amendment or an ordnance but as far the the law is concerned they are committing a crime. They should be happy they are not being punished for breaking the law.
@ishrat salim: Mr Ishrat this law was made by Bhutto not by Zia. The so called Secular Party has actually destroyed the Social Fabric of Equality and Freedom of Religion. Bhutto passed this law and declared Ahmedis as non Muslims. So Read the history books again as your knowledge is Pretty weak about this legislation.
This is clear proof that Shariah based system is not suitable for a human society if we want to live in harmony and want to progress. The case in favour of a secular system is settled by none others than the religious extremists doing and supporting such heinous acts.
they said Islam is the religion of peace and Muslim are turning it to be violence if some religious organization is different from yours why can you live them for god to judge
First time police is doing good job. because tha ahmmadiya community is fooling the worlld that thay are muslims but they are non muslims.
Yet another example of State yielding to the bigots.
When it comes to Islamic rules, constituion is a better option, and when it come to some other religion the event ultimately undermined constitution.
Perfect example of a hypocrite nation.
Yes, In Pakistan everybody is allowed to do anything against Ahmedis. No matter it's right or wrong. People here do not consider Ahmedis even human beings, how they can take action against injustice going with Ahmedis throughout Pakistan??
I would like to know what Imran Khan has to say about these continuous attacks on our minorities. If he a leader of the Pakistani youth, whichever religion they belong to, then he should come forward and strongly condemn these attacks!
simply Pathetic...!
i condemn too but worship place should not look like Masjid
How come we complain about France for banning Hijaaab?
Bhutto's two crimes are unforgivable. First one is that he authorized "State" to decide someone's faith and second one is appointment of Zia-ul-Haq as army chief.
Do you see the difference ? Its not mob that demolished it. It the state through its police itself that demolished it. That's the difference.
Jinnah's Pakistan is no more...
very sad,pakistan needs sharia't
News item beside this one said cabinet approves seats for minority in the NA..What a joke one arm of the state wants to show they are pro minority and the other arm is eliminating right to erect place of worship of their choice. Minert does not have copyright or patent for sunny muslim only. Also the principal of seperation of church and state is not there.
This makes no sense,Ahmadis according to the constitution of Pakistan and in the light of Jinnah's speech have full legal right to practice their religion as they wish,its amazing that Police took action over a complaint,I am not Ahmadi,born in sunni family but secular,can't support such actions,where is the Chief Justice now??? Also I was just reading about Dr. Abdus Salam; Pioneer of "God Particle",who was also Ahmadi but a great scientist,India made a muslim scientist their president but we shunned our great scientists cause he was an ahmadi, I hope EXPRESS TRIBUNE publish an article on this great forgotten hero. http://youtu.be/iDkVU2zTFp8
i think it's better if the present government takes the initiative to amend the blasphemy laws as it has started to improve other laws to make the life of poor minorities better and give them relief from the fanatic religious parties. quaid's vision was to promote and protect minorities rather than haresing them or destroying their places. minarates and domes are not restricted to any religion. pakistani have to understand it and let others to live peacefully too. solidarities with the ahmadies. but please dnt snach the living rights from human beings. who are we to decide these things let,s leave it to GOD....
So much for tolerance and minority rights in this Country ! Accepting Aid and handouts from rest of the world also must be Haram ! Why are you accepting them with two arms ? This Country is heading for Disaster ! They are playing with their Constitution, as it suits them, not for any betterment of society !
What a great service of Islam done by Police and those self-proclaimed custodians of Islam. Now Pakistan has become more Islamic after demolishing minarets. Europe is also very happy to see they did the right thing in banning minarets. Well done everyone and congratulations in upholding the law.
Supporters of such extremist acts live in an alternate universe. The think they are wining something by doing such stuff but in reality they are being shunned by the rest of the world, big time;
http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/international/2012/07/10/exp-amanpour-pakistan-laureate.cnn
Extremists are causing Pakistan to be isolated from the rest of the word very rapidly.
Such acts will further propagate the Ahmadi-ism.. This thing Pakistanis don't understand..
"the law of 298-B clearly states that Qadianis cannot call their worship place a ‘mosque’, so if it cannot be called that, then it cannot resemble the mosque either,” ..Done as per Law. Must appreciate the police. Period.
What is against the law is against the law and seeing that this is one of the popular sections of the constitution, there would'nt be any change.
Welcome to a secular Pakistan! It is sometimes hard to believe that Islam is a peaceful religion when a country with a clear majority of people following Islam cannot live together.
Why cant people of different islamic branches live together peacefully?
Congratulations, the one true religion has been saved from the grave threat posed by buildings and minarets. Absurd to the highest degree.
And then you complain the rest of the world does not respect you. Are you really worthy of any, I repeat, any respect ?
Demolishing worship place & whitewashing Kalima. Is this Islam???
Barbarians !
What should I say? don't say anything What should I do? don't do anything just keep on seeing, what the world is doing,
Does anyone see a remote (or possibly major in the eyes of the rest of the world) similarity between here and what's happening in Timbuktu? Sad is the day when Pakistani authorities adopt the same method and are being compared to a place / country like Timbuktu/Mali.
This never ending battle to determine whose god is better than the others will get us nowhere.People fighting each other over religious dogma is creating more chaos in the country. Why the need to force the demolition of people from other religions/sects ? Instead of fixating over such trivial things,the human race would be serviced better if people concentrated on education and scientific development.This obsession with religion has gone too far.