Krishna said that the leadership of Pakistan had assured India that the former’s territory was not going to be used for ‘anti-India’ activities, but it was apparent from watching Pakistani television that Jamaatud Dawa (JuD) founder Hafiz Saeed was still free.
"We know for a fact and have evidence and we can see it on Pakistani TV that the brains behind the Mumbai attack, led by Hafiz Saeed, goes scot-free in Pakistan, still carrying on a hate India campaign."
The Indian minister said that such acts contradict Pakistan’s intention of extending the hand of friendship for normalising relations.
Earlier, former Interior Minister Rehman Malik had said that evidence India sent against Hafiz Saeed would be reviewed after India had shared additional evidence with Pakistan linking Saeed to the Mumbai attacks.
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Mr. Krishna is absolutely right. We should NOT support Hafiz Saeed. He has been leading the "terrorist" lashkar e taiba for many years. Who ever is defending this man is equally a part of his terrorism. I do not understand how can people even defend him!!!!!!
@Ahmer Ali: You r right we r not angles but neither r we devils we do not hate u like u seem to think please watch this video and see for yourself the welcome given by the Indian crowd to the Pakistani contingent at the opening ceremony of the CWG 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75yfviEgDFQ . After India the Pakistan team got the next warmest reception, that is the public response. Indians & Pakistanis do not hate each other like the hate mongers would have us believe . A stable , peaceful and prosperous Pakistan is in India's interest. After u have seen the video i would be grateful for your response.
Are Indians angels and have angelic and loving feelings for Pakistan and Pakistanis?First please Indians purify your hearts in this regards and then defame the others because you are not also angels and don't have angelic feelings for Pakistan and Pakistanis.
To All Indians and their supporters: "Go to Hell. We don't give a damn what you have to say!!."
@Soho: Depends on ones upbringing.
Dawa is an Islamic jurisprudemce . Pak court can't punish such people that is why no apology and no suspension of Drone strike till the Islamic republic is there . Only a secular Pakistan will be acceptable to the world community .
People like hafiz are more dangerous to pakistan than india... the sooner they realise the better..
@Umair: Right, maybe even 100's of 1000s Hafiz's live in Pakistan. The question is how has even one of them help us in getting the Kashmir issue get closer to being resolved?
@usman: I agree with you! We should all get together and criticize such elements on both sides of the border. Right?
@Freeman:
1/ Pakistanis are superb to ask for proof. Please provide concrete proof. Please do not tell me that Pakistan is that week that it only talks with words.
2- Soft Diplomacy By stopping Pakistan share of water in Kashmir? Yes when there too much rainfall, India is responsible for it and also for drought. Ask your authorized people to clarify your viewpoint.
3- Soft Diplomacy by not resolving of core issues with Pakistan for the last 65 years? Resolving with who? An elected Government whose Foreign and Security portfolio are in the hands of the establishment who in turn listen to 'non state actors' to sign a deal.
Mr. Krishna, nothing wrong with Hafiz Saeed or Pakistan, afterall all nations protect their 'Strategic Assets'.
@Asad: So you do not watch Pakistani TV or read the Pakistani papers, so pray let us know what do you base your opinion on?
@Bharat: Completely agree. Illiterate, jahil people like him are brainwashing youngsters here in Pak and creating more Hafiz Saeeds. A message of hate against anyone is unacceptable, whether it be in the name of religion, land or ideology. PEACE!
@Freeman: Hitler too was NEVER convicted in a court of law. It didn't make him a saint.
@jeevan: I don't know if you were sarcastic but if you were not, then it is a great perversion of humanity to say what you have. Firstly, why take shelter behind an Indian-sounding name when it is obviously a Pakistani (if not a Talibani) who calls a killer like Hafeez Saeed a "professor, maulana, great philantropist (you don't even know how to spell the word, let alone know its meaning!!), and a do gooder". And, here comes the biggest joke, a "Pakistani nominee for Nobel Peace Prize for 2012". Vow. Are all Pakistanis really brain dead? Are they brainwashed from birth to become potential terrorists? Ask yourself -- what civilization are your creating? What are you leaving behind for the next generation -- your children, grand children, etc., instead of letting them grow up in a healthy environment with responsibility to society and building a stable and prosperous nation? At this rate, historians will be the only ones to remember, some 20 or 25 years from now, that "there was a Pakistan once upon a time born out of the womb of India". I hope you people will open up your eyes before it is too late. Terrorists and religious extremists, who are bullies and cowards themselves, preach fear and hatred, and then live (pretty well, I must say) on these attributes.
So on one hand you say "Islam is religion of peace" and on other hand you support "enemy of peace" Hafiz who indulges into nothing but hatred against Indians and Hindus.
@Nand: You mean
1- Soft diplomacy by back stabbing Pakistan from Afghanistan to Balochistan? This is what you mean?
2- Soft diplomacy by training seperatist in Afghanistan and sending them to Paksitan to do terrorist activities and to kill innocent people of Pakistan??
2- Soft Diplomacy By stopping Pakistan share of water in Kashmir?
3- Soft Diplomacy by not resolving of core issues with Pakistan for the last 65 years?
It is shame that Hafeez gets lot more credit for Philanthropy and press coverage than Mr Edhi.
Why indians are calling Hafiz saeed a criminal???......have they lost it???......he never convicted by any court of law in the world.......in presence or absence..........instead of blame or pointing at us look at your own LIE
"Hate India Campaign"...........In Pakistan who loves india???
If Professor, Mauluna, great philanthapist and a do gooder Hafeez has all these qualities than why is he not a Pakistani nominee for NoblePeace prize for 2012?
Dear all Pakistan brothers........first of all our concern about Hafiz Saed is that he is spewing venom all the times against India in the ears of common Pakistani citizens.......which in turn leads to more hatred against India and its Pak loving people........Is it good for anybody? No. Second, you people bring the case of Bal Thackery, every time when case of Hafiz Saed hots up.......so my advice is that, you can read and watch the Indian newspapers and TV Channels and count on how many times he comes on national television and how many people listens him....no doubt he has his mouthpiece called SAMANA .......but how many times he takes the name of Pakistan in a year or how many Indians read that newspapers. Try to understand..if we want to live a a good neighbor we should not sow the seed of hatred, misgivings and misunderstandings.........an environment without hatred, animosity and mistrust will lead to resolution of all the issues.
@Meghalayputra: it is already too late.
How annoying that people keep claiming freedom of speech. The concept does not cover everything. Here are the things Hafiz Saeed has done that are not covered under freedom of speech: 1. Hate speech 2. Speeches intended to incite violence or motivates the listeners to commit illegal acts 3. Threats
Hafiz is charity organizer, who helps poor and needy people in Pakistan, there are more terrorists in India than Pakistan....shame on you ET, not posting my comments
I am relived to see this statement from S M Krishna which demonstrates awareness of the fact that ground reality does not match words like" we will not let Pakistan be used to launch terror atacks on other countries".. It looked like Manmohan Singh was in a mood for unilateral concessions to creat his name in history. Negotiated peace is desirable and to both country's advantage. But unilateral concessions not only fail to win godwill, they give Pakistan the impression that India is weak and invite more aggression. Thankfully in India PM is just first among equals and not a dictator who can override legitimate concerns of his senior cabinet colleagues.
Unfortunately, our country will continue to remain in the dark, for a while longer. I hope, we get to see light in my life-time. Just because, India won't budge from their positions in Kashmir/ Siachen, it has become obligatory for us to continue to live in darkness and utter turmoil.......with a degree of vain pride, if I may add.
@Zeta: Many indian made weapons and stuff were recovered http://pakistankakhudahafiz.wordpress.com/2009/06/17/indian-weapons-in-swat-fata/
Really, you want us to believe what is written in someone's blog? If tomorrow I write something in my blog and paste a picture, you will believe that too?
@Nand
I posed the same question to Zeta along with a few choice words but unfortunately ET moderators did not deem it appropriate to publish. Afghan and Indian bashing is tolerated but responses to them are edited out.
@Zeta: Could you please name the cities and their addresses of the 11 Consulates. After naming 4, your lies, misinformation and integrity will be exposed.
ET moderators,
I see that lately you are editing out the truth and publishing pro Pakistan propaganda and lies. It makes me wonder how sincere and ethical the moderators are and if they are educated professionals or just a bunch of Taliban sympathizers content with perpetuating the status quo and ignoring the truth.
Hafiz Saeed is a free citizen of Pakistan. Our media most free meida in the world. People can say whatever they like. If you are not happy, then deal with it. Regarding Hafiz Saeed, US is offering $10 FOR the evidences which can convict him which means all the mumbo jumbo dossier you have sent to Pakistan are baseless and insufficient.
Secondly stop your terrorism in Pakistan thru 11 consulates in Afghanistan. You are the prime hand in creating unrest in Balochistan. In Swat during military operation, Many indian made weapons and stuff were recovered http://pakistankakhudahafiz.wordpress.com/2009/06/17/indian-weapons-in-swat-fata/
Serving Army officer Col. Purohit who is involved in Samjhota Express Bombing and killing of 60 Pakistanis, How about you hand over first as gesture of your honesty?
Krisha jee..your debt rating is about to be junked...so stop blaming Pakistan...
@Chopper: "Hafiz Saeed has every right to speak against indian atrocities in kashmir"
Yes he does have every right o speak against atrocities - if they are in fact occurring. He does not have the right to make up lies to spread hatred and he most definitely does not have the right to incite people to kill Hindus and Indians.
@Hairaan: "That’s called FREEDOM OF SPEECH"
sorry. Incitement to murder is not part of free speech in any country.
For thos comparing him to Bal Thackeray, Thackeray has never been accused by anyone including Pak government of a terror attack in Pakistan. Nor does he give public speeches inciting people to kill pakistanis. SO though by Indian standards Thackeray is quite extreme, there is no comparison with HafizSaeed.
It is disheartening to see so many Pakistanis defend criminals and perpetuate hate mongering. Grow up please before it is too late.
Look at the reasoning being given by pakistanis here, seems they are just kidding. Bal Thakre is not a very secular person but {1} he never threatened people of pakistan to reconvert them to Hindu fold where as Hafiz Saeed day and night preeching to make whole of India islamic. {2} Bal Thakre never threatened to Nuke Pakistan where as in evry rally speech Hafiz said India should be attacked with Nukes {3} Bal Thakre never did any Mumbai 26/11s in Pakistan where as Hafiz is the master mind of Mumbai 26/11. How can Pakistanis compare Bal Thakre with Hafiz Saeed a $10 million man and a UN declared terrorist.
"@Maz3tt: this has been now open that many people caught and killed in swat were Indians . so Mr Krishna please stop sending them to Pakistan. many of your so called terrorist were found at Hafiz center in Lahore doing innocent business. LOL."
Please stop making up stories. There is not one shred of evidence except the periodic "foreign hand" alluded to by politicians.
If one Indian was caught in Swat or Baluchistan, don't you think it would be sensational news and that he would be paraded in full view of TV cameras?
Comments such as yours and others make a lot of Indians believe that there will never be any closure on the Mumbai attacks. That is a festering wound that only Pakistan can close.
Krishna, Interesting to note that no pakistani leader will reply you; Gone are the days of befitting reply. Do whatever you like the current pakistani leadership is fighting for the dynastic rule ....
ok fine Mr. Krishna, pls handover Bal takray , Raj takray, moody etc. to pakistan, then we will give u hafiz saeed !!!!!!!! happpppppy
What poor Mr. Krishna doesn't realize is that our ruling elite is too busy with their own scandals and power-grabs and plotting to really care about what is happening in the country. Terrorist running around creating trouble? Who cares?
@Moise: said Why not Indians leave false flag tactics to Israel instead of being laughing stock in the world. Vikas's reply as under Sir please believe me right now with incidents like "Osama captured in Abottabad" & " Raymond Davis arrested & released later on" ."Nato supply route closed and talks of reopening with increased price $5000 " So brother please think & then decide.
@usman:
If you are going to equate Thakeray and Hafiz, you can as well equate a toy car with a real one!
@Chopper: The problem is not his speaking against acts of Indian state. All those who are whinning about his democratic rights understand that he is considered mastermind of Mumbai Attacks and he is on the watch list. That's what irritates Indians. Why is Pakistan still letting this guy continue to spit anti-India venom and asking people to kill innocent people on Indian soil. Even Islam doesn't allow to kill innocent people. It is just like Salman Rushdie speak of anti-islamic issues and your blood boils (just an example).
this has been now open that many people caught and killed in swat were Indians . so Mr Krishna please stop sending them to Pakistan. many of your so called terrorist were found at Hafiz center in Lahore doing innocent business. LOL.
@ahmer:
I fully agree with you.
Sadly most Pakistan do not realise that people like Hafiz Saeed are destroying the lives of innocent Pakistanis everyday than Indians.
@usman: What has balthakray done to u guys? He has not aided and abeted 10 gunmen to butcher 160 innocent lives in pakistan. Why is balthakry so famous in pakistan. Many indians do not like pakistan but that does not mean we go on a rampage of killing pakistanis.
Regarding Balochistan :
1971 : Hindus are trying to break up Pakistan.
2011 : 1971 was Pakistan's mistake.
2012 : Hindus are trying to break up Pakistan.
2022 : 2012 was Pakistan's mistake.
These Pakistanis learn nothing from their history. Their downfall is their own making. Pakistan will break up again and again, because Pakistanis have buried their heads in the sand.
why is express tribune giving so MUCH importance to foreign minister's statements? That too anti Pak? food for thought
Hafiz Saeed has every right to speak against indian atrocities in kashmir.
hafiz is a true believer and charity organizer,
lol @ indian people and their leader's obsession with pakistani media. Keep trollin guys.
@Umair:Look after them and feed them well, how many will bite us and how many will bite you ? Learn from the history of the recent past, as far as the future is concerned what can you expect when you are on self destruct mode. As far as India is concerned we will not escape unscratched because if your neighbors house is on fire some flames will blow towards us also that is the misfortune of our geography.
Hafiz Sayeed is a bad dot in Pakistan as early he is killed the better it will b
Sadly, we Pakistanis cannot understand that Hafiz Saeed is equally bad for Pakistan! When will we come out from zero sum game? Hafiz Saeed is damaging PK also.
Fine with us. Don't blame us Indians later on. You have had enough warnings.
I don't understand why our leadership even tries to talk with you. Waste of time and effort. You can't stop a person who is hellbent on committing suicide.
Pakistanis here are arguing, 'solve this then we'll solve that'. India doesnt have a problem with stalemate. Its Pakistan that suffers more. India can finance its military expenditures as they're still comparatively smaller part of its GDP, which is not the case with Pakistan and its faltering economy.
India has a few simple and logical demands to break the ice, which are stop funding your 'strategic assets' and demarcate AGPL so no future incursions take place from both sides.
freedom of democracy should be welcome from so called democracy champ india.
@Raman: and why is this the concern of whole world, because he raised voice against inhuman massacre of india and US?
for all those who are supporting hafiz saeed, i request please not to ridicule yourself. India has emerged as a world economic power and has proven itself to be responsible nation in the eyes of the world. we on the other hand have proven ourselves to be a rogue nation becuase of idiots such as yourself and the religious and military junta, who by the way are both mostly illiterate. Stop blaming others on your own problems. next you will blame someone else for the briht of your children.
What the Indian Foreign Minister is talking about is the Govt. level discussions on confidence building and creating a peaceful atmosphere, which happens to be the agenda of both Govt. In this light, he is saying that allowing a free-hand to a hate-monger is not helping the agenda. Otherwise, all talks will become a farce, and Pakistan will be a bigger loser.
@Umair: No doubt pakistan is in such a mess today.
india claims to be the biggest democracy in the world.then why are they asklng pakistan to restrict hafiz saeeds freedom of speech.mr krishna isnt this deviation from democratic values.
I knew the above comments which is an accurate sample of current pakistani views on terrorism aimed at India ..which goes like this...You are holding kashmir so we support terrorism against india..plain and simple..
That's called FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
So SM Krishnan bases his opinion on what he sees in Pakistani TV channels? Haha good luck with that.
Don't worry about guys like Hafeez Saaed Mr. Krishna, they will help India achieve its objrctives without firing a bullet. Let him be. He is more valuable to India free than in some forgotten Pakistani jail.
Politicians in Pak need him more than anything else. He is a crowd puller. Who cares if he is a terrorists?
@Umair Mere Bhai..You said it right "thousands of Hafiz saeed live in Pakistan". This is what the concern of whole world today regarding Pakistan.
@Umair: Thousands of Hafeez Saeed may be not good for India, but I am sure they would be equally or more bad for Pakistan....
Such statement was anticipated after Leon Panetta's visit .. Iam not surprised ... Actually USA is using India to twist Pakistan's arm to achieve its objective and sadly India succumbs to the pressure.
Listen even the US admits it does not have evidence against Hafiz Saeed inorder to convict him. Just because someone doesnt like you is not a reason good enough to call him a terrorist.
Why not Indians leave false flag tactics to Israel instead of being laughing stock in the world.
Hafiz Saeed is free as per Pak law and has the democratic right to express his views. I wonder what are Mr Krishna's views about the dozens of Hate Pakistan campaigners in his own country?
Look into your collars first, hafiz saeed is your product not Pakistan's, for what you did in Kashmir and so on........ Stop doing Wein Wein Wein and try to sought geniune issue of Kashmir otherwise thousands of Hafiz saeed live in Pakistan.
One country uses terrorists while the other uses its soft diplomacy to fulfill its agenda.
MR. SM Krishna, we also request you to stop RAW and other intelligence of India not to work against Pakistani security forces in Baluchistan. We also request you to stop working against the Pakistani interests in Afghanistan. We also request you to work sincerely resolving Siachen and Sir Creek Issues. We also request you to put your attention resolving the core issue of Kashmir and treat it as disputed area, work with Pakistan and Kashimiris on diplomatic solution.
There are far more big issues than Hafiz Saeed.
Dear Krishna Sir! The media is free here in Pakistan, in fact very free!
He won’t shut down his business and rejoin University of Engineering and Technology as teacher of Islamic studies.
And you are using Afghanistan to spread agitation in Baluchistan.
So what. Just as if you have few such elements in India. What about bal takaray.