It is interesting to note how the gem created by Tulsidas became, during the following centuries, an established ‘saying’ and a good sociolinguistic tool to justify prejudice and violence against disadvantaged social groups. It is even more interesting to note how the 20th century saw some (upper caste) critics, teachers, reformers and politicians bending over backwards to somehow explain away the deep hatred and contempt displayed by Tulsidas towards those who lived in villages, worked with their hands and found themselves of the wrong gender.
The languages that we use today retain — through ‘popular’ sayings, quotations from oral and written literature, similes and metaphors, jokes, wisecracks, stereotypes, manners of speaking, etc. — the same kind of history of prejudice, hatred, contempt and violence along gender and caste lines. This is a fascinating view of history as it seems to chart our journey from cruder forms of social organisation to democratic, egalitarian ones.
For example, it came naturally to someone like Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi, a great and masterful user of Urdu prose for popular communication in his times, to find examples of condemnable, ugly, ridiculous and wrong behaviour in Julahas, Sunni village maulvis and women in his sermons and writings. However, some of the later developments in society made it, gradually, less and less easy for sermonisers like him to be as frank in expressing their views towards, for example, kam-zaat (lower caste) people and women. As our society moves — surely but, perhaps, extremely slowly — towards individualism that is the basis of democracy, there is increasing pressure from below, which expresses itself by contesting the ideas contained in our languages.
In the earlier days — the era ‘before 1857’ which is variously glorified by Muhammad Hasan Askari and his innocent, as well as clever followers as ami-jami ka zamana (the period of stability), the golden days of the ‘Hind-Islami tehzeeb’ and so forth — there was a general consensus on the features of social hierarchy on the basis of birth; each social group knew its place in society and accepted its ‘innate’ fate and everyone (from the ruling elites, that is) lived happily. In those days, it was a matter of routine to put people in the categories of shareef and razeel (or zaleel) without danger of retaliation.
The basic difference between classes of people was whether they worked with their hands — i.e., whether they were kammi, khidmati or shudra — or they monopolised land, wealth (gold, silver and gems), physical and political power (shamsheer, khanjar, etc.), and knowledge and spiritual power — i.e., whether they were zamindar, sahukar, sahib-e-shamsheer, sahib-e-qalam (some combined the monopolies to call themselves sahib-e-saif-o-qalam!) or pir and gaddi-nashin.
The social attitude towards women — belonging to the three neatly demarcated categories of elite, commoner and prostitute, was fundamentally marked with suspicion regarding their sexuality. This suspicion came into play in the display of extreme respect for, and total segregation of, elite women, even a public mention of their existence was considered a social sacrilege. (The respect did not, however, stop elite men from abusing, beating and occasionally killing them.) On the other hand, the same suspicion expressed itself in phrases loaded with deep contempt for women falling into the other two categories. Such expressions are found extremely offensive by today’s empowered, urbanised women. Which is why, for instance, the maulvis and conservative social commentators appearing in TV debates these days have to generally hold their tongue and not use the expressions they would use off-screen.
The force of the changed circumstances made the ruling elites — of both society and language — use euphemisms instead of direct insults. I find the study of such euphemisms most interesting as they tell the tales from the battleground of inclusion and exclusion, or the caste politics.
Many of us would remember an oft-repeated scene from the Bombay Hindi films of the 1940s, 1950s and perhaps, 1960s: the hero lying unconscious on the roadside or a riverbank (as a result of an accident, a failed drowning or excessive drinking) and a couple of passers-by (poor folks) commenting: kisi achhe ghar ka maloom hota hai! (looks like he is from a ‘good family’!)
The reference to a ‘good family’ background could be seen as an attempt to reinvigorate a social value that the cruel process of socioeconomic change had thrown on the wayside by the 1930s and 1940s. The fact that the line was typically delivered by an actor playing a rural or urban poor man (or woman) is also quite revealing. It was meant to emphasise the existence of a social consensus about caste hierarchy that had, in principle, ceased to exist. A number of individuals watching the film in a cheap category (typically from urban working classes) were entirely capable of whispering into their companion’s ear as a reaction to the above line: Tau ham kya bure ghar ke hain? (Are we from a bad family, then?)
Similarly, there was a time when someone caught in a difficult situation (such as a street brawl or an altercation with a traffic policeman) would easily wriggle out by saying: Ham shareef log hain! Or, Ham izzat-dar log hain! (We are respectable people!) Today, such a person is likely to face an audacious retort such as: Ham badmash hain? Or Hamari izzat nahin hai kya? (Are we bullies? Are we without respect?)
What the latter person is doing is to challenge the meanings traditionally attached to the words like shareef and izzat. Such people who are the products of the process of change, would like to replace the traditional meanings of these and other loaded words with their literal meanings. Our everyday language, thus, is a highly contested domain.
Published in The Express Tribune, May 5th, 2012.
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@Rakib
Regarding reservations for downtrodden Muslims, I think there is an equal opposition from the upper caste Muslims also. The argument being that Islam does not recognize caste, and hence reservations should be extended to all Muslims (and not just the lower castes). In some states the backward castes in Muslims already get reservations under categories, but that is because they recognize the equivalency of caste (between Hindus and Muslims). This is a pandora's box Muslims do not want to open.
@Sinclair:
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Sure....Having waited for Catharsis for thousands of years one can wait some more time for it to happen but follow IPC & CPC & other Constitutional provisions to address issues in the interim. BTW, many modern Indian laws flow from Abrahamic laws,traditions & custom/usage. Lord Macaulay the Law Giver of India was of Unitarian Church. First major departure from his 1830s IPC (which is still followed) was with regard to laws in respect of LGBT. India is learning Catharsis!
Reg Reservations One thing I find unjust about present system is the way intermediary castes of Hindus have cornered the quotas for themselves to the detriment of lowest of the low & the way some of them display gross niggardliness of spirit when talk of extending the facility to marginalised among Muslims & Christians comes up.I have discussed this earlier here & would not want to go thru it again.
Reg Reformation. Urbanisation and resultant complexities of life causing greater interdependence of communities is one way forward. ..No point in looking up to Govt. Policy makers always have an interest in status quo. Only in the first flush of independence whatever could be done was done. Now even a Raja Rammohan Roy will find it difficult to find a William Bentinck to help him.
@Rakib
Thanks for the clarification. Couple of points. I think equity and equality among humans do not require the architecture of god or his laws (under whichever religion). The reforms which happen will be that much more stable if it comes out of catharsis rather than submission. . About Mandal commission, my thinking has moved on this issue with age. When I was a student seeking admission to college it seemed unjust. But thats just the sense of a rebellious teenager. After settling into a career and knowing that life is going to be alright, I see the sense of injustice which would be if we did NOT have reservations. The main impulse now is that implementation of reservations should be done properly, and we should get data on how it is helping people from the lower castes. I dont think anybody begrudges reservations per se, we just hate the pandering of our politicians - it is so revolting. . Reformation has to start somewhere, and we have a clear identifiable construct in caste so why not use it and reverse-engineer. I think thats a neat way to do things, assuming that the policy-makers work for it with the right attitude.
@Sinclair:
Bhakti had little to do with social reformation except as a by product. Popular Sufism & Bhakti path appeared to be mutually influencing streams that brought the H & M hoi polloi closer, reduced some inter-caste tensions & kept the sanity of the poor masses intact in the immensely troubled medieval times of superstition, internecine wars, pestilence & famines. Survival, & not solving of Jaat-Paat & Zaat, was the bread & butter issue.. Besides, Nanak, Kabir & Basava who rebelled against the social order ended up creating either a new religion, sect or a new caste.
Social justice and equality before God & His laws were concepts that were not common practice in India and these evolved under Muslim & Christian influence. By reverse osmosis caused by centuries of proximate living they too picked up Hindu customs. To the credit of Hindus they were not always inimical to new ideas. However, no single individual has really succeeded in eradicating inequities from society entirely. M/s Mandal & VP Singh damaged the endeavours for good by enforcing a remedy that exacerbated the malady. The solution now lies in working with & around the caste system to make it progressively irrelevant rather than declaring its imagined premature demise.
"He seems to have been a bigot and misogynist ...:"
Sinclair, nothing wrong with that conclusion if that is what you conclude after knowing the poor fellow's work. But if you have not heard that very well-known couplet earlier, it is unlikely that you have seen his work much. Fair?
Otherwise we only encourage people like Ali Tanoli.
Overall, this article deals quite competently with an very important broader subject - how our language shapes our real world. Hope the author will pursue the subject further.
@Rakib: We are dissecting a 7-book work and pulling out one couplet - in that context, I don't think it had any great impact even in Awadh or Brajbhoomi region where Tulsidas works were most popular. In fact, many orthodox brahmins had no love lost for Tulsidas, and he was seen to be a reformer in those times. Was he right to come up with those lines - clearly no. Did it have something to do with his caste and social status as a brahmin - probably yes. Did it have something to do with the times that he lived in - definitely. Does that line require condemning his overall contribution as a seer, saint and poet - definitely not.
@Rakib
I may be wrong when I say this, but I think the Bhakti movement was not primarily one for social transformation. It was more of an answer to existential question of religion. Hindu texts were hard for the common man to relate to, and there was a need to simplify it for the masses. This was more about saving the flock, than trying to ameliorate the imbalances. . There were other parallel movements which specifically tried to weaken the importance of caste. Basaveshvara's lingayat movement is one such. But while his arguments against caste are to be appreciated, I am a cynic and tend to see them as an attempt to increase his own followers. The end result today is also not very rosy, and caste is as rigid among the lingayats as anywhere else. I think they lay claim to the reservation pie under the OBC category.
@BlackJack:
{But your argument (and the writers) seems to assume that later bias against lower castes and women are in some way connected to this couplet, which is highly unlikely – it is far more possible that his lines reflect existing social biases and portray them in poetic form.}
I agree that his words do reflect the mores of the times. Tulsidas did not invent caste system, he was its product. Caste is a huge sociological phenomenon & nobody here is reducing it to the level of a single couplet I am sure. I mentioned influence of Tulsidas only in a limited manner of a relatively small geographic area. In the huge land mass it was not possible for one person to hold sway. I don't think anybody really read him south of Narmada or east of Hooghly or west of Ravi in 16/17 century. While I agree that Tulsidas was a prisoner of social constraints the social biases were accentuated in his case by his caste status as prevalent in his UPite surroundings. His other contemporaries within 50 years time span either way were Tukaram in Maharshtra, Purander Das & Kanak Das in Karnataka, Dadu Dayal in Gujarat, Meera Bai in Rajasthan, Chaitanya in Bengal & so on. ALL of them followed Bhakti (Way of Devotion) per their understanding, all had thumbed nose at caste tyranny, ALL were products of the same times that Tulsidas was product of, and except Chaitanya the rest were non Brahmins. NONE of them talked of bashing up Shudras & women directly or indirectly (even by making a Samudra or a Kevat to say so) but promoted love among peoples of all castes instead! Same times, same land, same religion, same social order, Different Strokes! That is the paradox that India is.
We are discussing Tulsidas all over, but forgot about the article's main thrust which was how language/speech perpetuates discrimination. Saying, hearing or repeating some of these phrases eventually makes one believe in them to be the truth. You know, repeat a lie a 100 times and it becomes the truth. The most depressing aspect of Casteism in India is that the lower castes somehow "believe" in the superiority of upper castes. They may be angry about it, protest against it, demand reservations and so on, but when it comes to the final test they just withdraw. I think if you say some of the positive things over and over again - "You can become anything you want" - people will start believing in that too. It is very important what the social narrative is on a whole host of things. . I read somewhere that individualism is important for a successful democracy. In the community-oriented society of ours, the irony is that thrust for individualism will have to come from the wider social narrative. So you can imagine how long that is going to take. But one should never give up hope. . Coming to Tulsidas, this is the first time I am reading his couplet. I am not highly invested in his work, so coming from me this may not be of much value. He seems to have been a bigot and a misogynist, but damn he knew how to write.
@ashar: I am sure that in your case, the benefits would outweigh the disadvantages.
Is slavery forbidden in Islam? Is there any quranic verse that clearly condemns caste system? . why is it that literacy rate of dalits in india is higher than literacy rate of entire population of Pakistan whereas hardly one in four dalits in Pakistan is literate ?
. http://tribune.com.pk/story/357765/pakistans-caste-system-the-untouchables-struggle/
www.newageislam.com/interfaith-dialogue/slavery-in-the-‘land-of-the-pure’--pakistan’s-two-million-dalits-(part-one)/d/5050
www.ambedkar.org/research/Dalitsof.htm
@Dee Cee:
You are correct about villages. Even today caste continues to be an important social institution out there, less stifling than before, but quite relevant. The social support system of castes which helped Hindus to tide over some trying times was not without its merits though it has outlived its utility & has become pernicious. Now its relevance lies either in strictly arranged marriages, for Reservations (quotas) or during elections. The most important word in the Subcontinent is "Aukaat", which may not have an English synonym. One's total acceptance of 'station in life' & thereby of status quo determines all. It is both the cause & consequence of the fairly rigid social order be it caste,jati or zaat/biradri/tribe. It also explains the way we are. All this is now under state of flux due to quickened urbanisation but aeons shall pass ere the mindset passes..
@Rakib: I agree that the Ramcharitmanas would not be seen as a mere poem - this is also the reason that a large number of Indians (especially in the North) recognize the couplet; Tulsidas has left his imprint on the way Hinduism was seen by its adherents in later years; both my creating a seamless union between metaphysical vedanta and the bhakti movement, as well as by clearly communicating that all Gods are one - and for him were represented by Sri Rama. But your argument (and the writers) seems to assume that later bias against lower castes and women are in some way connected to this couplet, which is highly unlikely - it is far more possible that his lines reflect existing social biases and portray them in poetic form. I would say the same goes for Shakespeare. Further, the advantage in Hinduism is that you can ignore (and even reject) parts of holy canon without fear of accusations of blasphemy or apostasy.
Today the Hindus just ignore such passages and instead focus on those passages that challenge social hierarchy such as Ram eating fruits offered by Sharbari, Kevat(the boatman),etc.
Are you saying there was no prejudice and violence against the socially disadvantaged groups before Tulsidas wrote this gem? The elite in every society always find some justification to oppress and suppress the lower classes.
Vasan
Why does anyone engage an interactor like Ali Tanoli. He is utterly ignorant, and appears to delight in his ignorance. Does anyone see him as amenable to reason? To me he comes across as another fanatic who maintains his own religious views by closing his eyes to the world.
Rakib, Babloo
It is a mistake (let's not use the world disingenuous here) to think of Goswamiji as merely a poet, at least for people of some states. He is a very revered figure in UP and neighborhood.
On the other hand, the attitudes of Ali Tanolis - which is of often the way many Muslims present and understand Indian texts - is extremely problematic. It confuses them far more than it confuses Hindus.
Vanjara
Punjab is not North India? You probably meant that Punjab is not UP.
Dee Cee
You were exposed to this only a couple of years ago? Is it safe to assume you are not familiar with Hindi literature at all? This is something that is openly discussed among Hindus up North - where Ramcharitmanas is popular.
It is part of a story. Since it appears in Ramcharitmanas, it has had influence. It also been criticized in that role.
To expect the author to know anything more would be unfair.
@Babloo:
A point well made & which might not have escaped some minds. Over time the speaker becomes less important than the speech & it is the Author that is quoted. A coincidence is Goswami Tulidas & Shakespeare lived in contemporaneous times that were ruled by Akbar & Elizabeth respectively. Both have been accused, with wisdom afterthought, of bigotry by their stray critics...one for anti Semitism in Merchant of Venice or racist slant in Othello & the other for this infamous Couplet that was placed in the mouth of one of the personages. But, there the similarity ends.
The Goswami is different from the Bard. For many Hindus Ramcharitmanas is not just a drama or a tragedy/comedy. It is literally an heirloom of sacred value. It is disingenuous to dismiss off Tulsidas as just another, even though great, poet or a storyteller. Kalidas & Banabhatt were dramatists, not Tulsidas. He is revered by villagers of N.India. He is probably the most quoted one whose entire work, & not just "Hanuman Chalisa", which is memorised by many. The Elders of yore while contemplating the correct punishment to a recalcitrant woman or an uppity Dalit would have been guided by these words of patriarchal folk wisdom. Fortunately,among the discerning Hindus, post19th century, rejecting of any such aphorisms did not tantamount to blasphemy. It is the disuse of the maxim of Tulsi that needs to be emphasised, not its nonexistence.
Thanks to Ajmal Kamal sahab for remebering Goswami Tulsi Das,a great reknowned saint,great religious poet with rare quality of playing with words such that his quotes have become a proverb like Kabir Das.Tulsi Das has to face great resistance from his own Brahmin community while writing his great epic ''Ramcharit manas''.In his writing he has very efficiently presented sicio-cultural matters combined in the story of Ram katha and religious pure spirituality.
Instead of making it Hindu or Islamic issue, let us call it "social stratification among sub-continent inhabitants" since we cannot associate any of these to any particular religious tradition. The social differentiation have existed in all cultures and in all ages. We call ours' worst as we are quite exposed to these. We also need to keep in mind that traditional values (be these about social differentiation or anything else) have interchangeably been used by followers of all faiths, sometime legitimizing those through self-made religious injunctions. The class or societal differences exist, even today, and in the most advanced societies of the world. The modern social forces like industrialization, urbanization, and secularization have altered the social arrangements but have not resulted in complete melt-down or melt-in of the society. The secretaries still make coffee, the janitors still clean the floor, and maids still clean houses or make beds. The only difference is that son or daughter of a working class person may not be doing same what their earlier generation/s did. But upward social mobility has always been a tough game to play. Having said that we should not forget that the pace of social change in the sub-continent is awfully slow and that is regrettable.
In a drama there are many characters. Each character has a different perspective. What the characters say is not equal to what the writer says, as the characters by design of the story will say different and contradictory things, some good some bad. The words quoted as those by Tulsidas, are actually words spoken by one of the characters in the drama. As someone commented earlier "They are uttered by Samudra who is trying to save himself by abjectly surrendering to Rama, after Rama gets upset with him. That would hardly be a character to be held up as a guide to anybody or to normal behavior. " This simple fact is missed by many commenting here. Its like taking one line spoken by one of the characters of a Shakespeare drama, and then concluding Shakespeare was like that.Bizarre.
Tulsidas and his version of Ramayana had great influence in planes around Ganga-Yamuna in northern India. Compared to rest of india, this region has relatively larger percentage of Brahmins in population, still is largely trapped in feudal mentality and interestingly is also the region that had to suffer Islamic rule for larger periods and has a very large percentage of Muslims (even after many of them left for Pakistan) in population. Considering this, I don't think it is a coincidence that this region is one of the most undeveloped part of India with high crime rate and higher poverty than rest of India (which also of course is not very well developed yet.)
@Ali Tanoli I like the Tulsidas hahahahahahahhaha now my indiano friend cant say islam says that. shudr,kammi,janwer,kanya kumari.
Tulasidas did say this in the 16th century. Now, if it is not too much of an effort let us see the 21st century. The 'indiano friend' A. Has a Constitution that Guarantees equality to all, including Minorities, Dalits and Women. B. There are specific laws for protection of Dalits and against Domestic violence. C. There are dedicated police stations manned by Dalit personnel and women to enforce these laws. D. Dalits and Women are in the forefront everywhere. The Missile woman Tessy Thomas is from a minority community and Mayawati, till recently CM of the largest state, is both, a Dalit and a woman.
On the other hand the Citadel of Islam A. Has a Constitution that bars minorities from high offices. B. Has discriminatory Blasphemy provisions. And leaders are bumped off for demanding change. C. Has a police force that routinely prevents Ahmadis from practicing their religion. D. And Parliament is unable to bring a Domestic Violence bill as some members feel that any law that prevents wife beating is Anti-Islamic
Shall we have a hearty HAHAHAHA together?
Moderator ET- I hope non-Tanolis can go HAHAHA too.
@Rakib: Nicely analyzed. Also, a large number of urban Indians are disconnected from the rural India and, hence, unaware of the caste realities that continue even today. I was exposed to such stuff only a couple of years ago, through a documentary. Shameful, but I guess understanding the numerous realities of a billion-strong population is rather difficult.
This is an interesting article, but with a couple of flaws. The Hindustani shudra does not translate as the Punjabi kammi. The author has a very Hindustani centric view things and assumes that what applies to North india equally well applies to Sindh and Punjab. This assumption is not correct. I suspect the author has roots in UP or somewhere else in North India and has little experience of Punjab and Sindh.
@Spud:
The Brahminhood of Goswami Tulsidas has been rightly stressed for explaining the Shudra-beating attitudes. The contrast between two extremes of Hindu society back then is correctly highlighted. However, the Author would have done well to mention the low-caste of Valmiki too while mentioning the Sanskrit-Ramayana. That would have been politically correct. Pakistan does have a good number of Hindus of Valmiki/Balmiki sweeper-caste,among others.
Irritation of Indian readers is both baffling & predictable. It is baffling because the Author can't be faulted for whatever Tulsidas wrote. And predictable because it is embarrassing to see the mirror. Probably a credible response with a comparative analysis of Pakistani Hindu-Muslim societies can be best offered by a Pakistani Hindu, assuming such a person is able to articulate freely while criticising Muslims.
I don't understand why you people continuously dig up history in search of material which can cause hatred between two communities. We have had enough of hatred in our plate on the basis of history.
@Ali Tanoli:
Tulsidan is a poet and expressed his opinion. It is not sanctioned by the Hindu Culture. But, out of dozens of Muslim Countries not one Country can afford to go against what Sharia says, basically beating up of women, not kill apostates, etc.
Hinduism is a very tolerant culture, which has given to non-violent Religions such as Jainism and Buddism. Remember, Gandhi could have only been born in India.
Ajmal Kamal has been fair, based on what he knows. He generally has a fair, not an inherently prejudiced approach.
Overall, this was among the better articles here. The author deserves congratulations.
Ali Tanoli : Despicable comments. Pl comment after u understand
by I pointing out that Tulsidas as brahmin you have unnecessarily cast an aspersion on brahmins. It was sufficient to condmn that couplet notwithstanding the circumstances in which it was written. Your prejudice is evident. Do not cat stone on others without first carrying out introspection. Shame on you.
Tulsidas is a poet. He is not Hinduism. Its like quoting some Muslim poet and saying he is Islam !
gt
In Ramcharitmanas those lines do occur. They are uttered by Samudra who is trying to save himself by abjectly surrendering to Rama, after Rama gets upset with him. That would hardly be a character to be held up as a guide to anybody or to normal behavior. So few scholars or religious leaders would lower themselves by using this these lines extensively. Even so, it is a shocking statement, and people who would like to use it would surely use it for their purposes. I believe these lines have seen a great deal of 'underground' usage.
over intellectual. Sheer waste of time and energy. Too many books spoint the mind.
Ajmal Kamal Sahib
That doha by Tulsidas is indeed very controversial and has been much denounced. It has also exercised very unhealthy effect. But I was wondering if in your research you actually found many cases of it being used by Hindu intellectuals or even religious leaders to justify and perpetuate prejudice and violence. In public speeches or books, for instance. I doubt it but since you often have very useful information, I would be curious. Thanks.
Sir, When you quote Tulasidas, it is only fair to expect you to offer accurate bibliographic details, and not hearsay. Please demonstrate where you have found the lines you quote and their provenance. For example, there are many texts purported to be authored by "Shankaracharya" or "Nagarjuna" that do not stand even minimal scholarly and impartial scrutiny. Thank you.