Somewhere in a discreet office in Pakistan, a nuclear scientist is in a serious conversation with a strategic planner trying to lead him on to that illusory goal of imitating the feat within a couple of years, only if the strategic planner could keep the funds flowing. He could extend the range of his current fleet of missiles to 5,000 kilometres, and then to 10,000 kilometres, by just adding another solid-fuel rocket motor and some further refinement of rocket motor technology. And he would say that that this would allow the missile to go thousands of kilometres up in the sky, and “thence upwards to the moon”! Sounds familiar? It should: 1949, and the Karachi Agreement, then 1972 and Simla; “thence north to the glaciers”! We are grappling with both the syntax and the various interpretations as we fight off the tragedy of April 7 at Siachen and the 8,000 others who have lost their lives since 1984 when another competitive undertaking set us onto the journey to discover whatever “thence north to the glaciers” meant.
The scientist would then add that such a long-range and high altitude re-entry could provide for multiple independently-targetable re-entry vehicles (MIRVs) — eight to 10 nuclear bombs, each 20 times the destructive power of those that took out Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This means that there will be one missile carrying up to 10 nuclear bombs — a dream come true for any Dr Strangelove. You could rain them all at one place making sure that no one walked that piece of earth again, or through sheer marvel of technological beastliness target them at ten different places within a few hundred kilometres of each other. Imagine the perversity that entices a being and exhilarates him with this idea of complete extinction — not just death.
Somewhere out there, however, there are a few others who have their eyebrows curled up. Japan, Australia, the Koreas and who knows the Indonesians too could have dreams of their own. Those are only likely to be reinforced. Closer to home, the Iranians will find a valid justification to pursue what they are already being blamed for, which would then trigger responses from Saudi Arabia, Turkey and worries in most of Europe. China would have already have a plan on putting up a missile shield; India’s ability to target the Chinese ‘heartland’ will now serve to expedite its institution.
President Barack Obama was awarded a Nobel prize for peace without having earned it. However, after having accepted it, he carries a moral baggage to deliver on his qualification for the award. He has pushed the world on non-proliferation and disarmament. Pakistan has been under specific pressure on the Fissile Material Cut-off Treaty. The Agni testing, however, lay waste any pretension of the world heeding him.
On April 18, I was invited to an Indian TV debate on the implications of what by then was an impending Agni V test. In a planned interview of about 22 minutes I could only participate for about five — for the remaining 17 the communications would not hold. The anchor, honest enough, could only admit that while we in South Asia indeed had lofty missions of intercontinental aspirations, we still had to learn to institute more reliable communications. That is the truth on both sides of the border.
I wonder what will come first: a South Asian on the moon, reliable communications, resolution of “thence north to the glaciers” conundrum, or a newer challenge of “thence upwards to the moon”. Whatever it might be, see you on the moon!
Published in The Express Tribune, April 26th, 2012.
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@Shahzad, you keep throwing the word "redundant" as though it means something profound here. Thence north to the glaciers means just that; north to the glaciers. Not "north" to the Karakoram pass, or north to the glaciers and then laterally to the pass, North to the glaciers, which were a part of the kingdom of Kashmir along with the portions cede to the Chinese by Pakistan and Aksai Chin. Thus Siachin was Indian territory on the basis of the LOC; which Pakistan also didn't honor in Kargil. So why would India ever withdraw even if Pakistan agreed on the AGPL.
@Arijit Sharma: I repeat north thence to the glacier the word glacier is not redundant. You cannot add words to a document and you cannot delete words from a document. And personal attacks are normally counter productive so I avoid them.
@Yash: Wars are fought in this theatre like this kargil was a successful attempt albeit for short period to deny logistic support to an active military border. It is no different to to cut of logistic support to Quaid post by compromising the post providing it logistical support which the Indian army did. I do not want to take any credit from Subedar Bana but the young Pakistani officer and the JCO with him just ran out of food and ammunition on the Quaid post.
The point is armies fight on food and ammunition and if a border is active armies will try and cut off logistics of the opponent. So let's not dwell on Kargil as a big treachery this is how intelligence agencies use the media to undermine the opponents for their own citizens and the world.
The government of India is very pragmatic at least the civilian side.
@Yuri Kondratyuk: See the political reality of the seventies we wanted security from physical invasion from an Aggressive regional power in the neighbourhood backed by the USSR. And food security comes after physical security.So the Rehber program yielded to other program's which it would be counter productive to debate here.
Are army was defeated before the fighting started and general niazi had less chances then general guedrin in Stalingrad and our cento ally blinked another debate not entirely relevant here.
@ayesha_khan:
I thought the armed forces view is normally conveyed through the ministry of defence so I appear to be on the same page as you on this score
@Arijit Sharma:
I know the bunya has negative connotations in some circles in the region. I on the contrary have the highest regard for people who operate in the economic reality of the market place. The point is that the Karakoram highway is perceived to have economic benefits linked to Pakistan's economy and I have seen statements in the Indian media from senior security officials who relate their occupation of Siachen as essential to squeeze Pakistan's link with china. This is impractical and Pakistan has many options which is not the point of debate here.
@Cosmo: " ... I beg to pakistanis please do go to un and explain them how north in pakistan is understood as north east. ... "
You must understand the psyche of the Pakistani Elite. They mostly react to events - they are not known to plan ahead. The reactions are more emotional, less logical.
As far as drawing the line " ... NJ 9842, ‘thence north to the glaciers.’ ... " , Indians will be guided by the literal meaning of the words in the agreement - while our Pakistani friends will be guided more by a sense of entitlement - ergo - this need on the Pakistani side to question the real meaning of the word "north". The entitlement in this case is the Karakorum pass.
@Yash: "after the kargil episode….i doubt the govt of india would be in favour of total withdrawal"
Agree 100%. Mushrraf not only lost Kargil, he has made Pakistan lose credibility that is going to haunt them for a long time.
@Shahzad:
after the kargil episode....i doubt the govt of india would be in favour of total withdrawal
@Shahzad: "I think the Indian civil government is amenable the Indian army is perhaps not on the same page"
In India the army is not a separate insitution, it is part of the civil government and is represented in the cabinet through the defense minister. What you perhaps mean is that Indian foeign minister supported the agreement of demilitarising without signing AGPL but Indian defence minister did not support this and the cabinet decided to go with the defence minister's recommendation. Again this refers to discussion n in 1989. A lot of water has flowed under the bridge since then. 15 years of pushing jihadis into Kashmir, the Kargill adventure right after signing a peace agreement with India etc. I don't think there is anyone in India who would support demillitarisation without having the securit of an authenticated AGPL.
@ Author, thoughtful yet frustrating article. One wonders, when will the subcontinent grow up rather than squablle all the time. I saw your panel discussion on TV. sadly the audio breaks were annoying. Fact is that had pakistan not suddenly started sending non state actors to kashmir in 1980s, the sub continent could have been a flourishing economic miracle.lets hope better sense prevails in this decade and century.
I beg to pakistanis please do go to un and explain them how north in pakistan is understood as north east. Or atleast please explain here on this foroum as in what is Pakistani understanding of the accord they signed with india? Any sane pakistani out there?
@Shahzad: I don't find your comment anti-Indian in anyway but you missed the point about sound financial reason behind Indian space program. Indian economy, like other modern economies, is hugely dependent on space program. Agriculture, weather, communication, education, healthcare, TV networks and many other fields (and may be space mining in future) are hugely dependent on space program. Imagine having to pay for all this to international players. what a huge burden it will be on the economy? Apart from this it is a huge business where your expertise gets you a good price for launching satellites of other nations. Also, India is the largest seller of photo images from space in the world and after today's RISAT launch it will enter into radio images as well. All this gets you a good price in the international market. So, yes, I believe rocketry indeed plays an important role in upliftment of poor in India.
@Rafi Ka Deewana: @Yash: @Sanjay, Mumbai: If India is a shining super power and Pakistan was to so endorse then can we both withdraw from Siachin and argue out what thence north to the glacier means. I think the Indian civil government is amenable the Indian army is perhaps not on the same page. @Babloo: Please see my earlier comment thence north to the glacier, the word glacier is not redundant.
Well There is a famous saying: "if you want peace, be prepare for war".
@Shahzad:
Indira Gandhi consciously preferred investing India's meager resources in satellites that help agriculture/irrigation than in military satellites. In fact she literally made her choice based on the answer to the question,"which one would help the poor?"
On the other hand, Pak abandoned Rehbar program in the 70's in preference to missile programs.
Things cant be done in sequential manner. Each and every issue needs to be taken at same time and handled and resolved...poverty alleviation, communication, science, etc...all go together...so lets not wait for poverty to be alleviated 100% before embarking on Space Programmes!
@Shahzad:
of course it is....better weather forecast, crop yield, demographics, disaster management through satellites.....adding to that...selling the data in international market, launching satellites for other nations employing thousands of people....and lots more...
@Shahzad: " ... Removing poverty through rocketry that’s a good one ... "
Well, if India does not build rockets and satellites, we will have to PAY the Americans or the French to build and place satellites for us. That is way more expensive than doing it ourselves. So, the money we save, goes into paying for education and poverty alleviation.
If for a moment, you had not succumbed to your instinct of wanting to ridicule Indians, you would have seen the good financial sense we have. After all you guys do not call us Baniyas for nothing ;-)
Pakistan should ask the UN to explain to it what 'north ' means. Than could be a face saving solution.
I hope Mr. Chaudhry will write a similar article on Pakistan's aggressive push to increase its already large number of nuclear warheads.
@DB: "Will India be sending all of it’s millions of poor into space or to the moon?"
What India's poor have to do with it's space program? It's not one or the other. The Americans, the Russians, and the Chinese all had their space programs going while a portion of their populations were poor or not allowed to vote. To me, your comment sounds like sour grapes. And, given that all the Pakistanis are not millionaires yet, why is Pakistan launching rockets? Oh, I get it. That is self-defence against India. But then, can't India do the same thing against China?
@Hari Singh nalwa:
sardar sahib,
If we can't make it then we can't be accused of proliferation so that is the positive I take from your comment.
@Hari Singh nalwa: Sardar sahib,
The consumer system which India has adopted after coming out of the shadow of the USSR and socialism seems to be working wonders. Your new friend, USA imports everything which it thinks it can get cheaper and better made for its own consumer and concentrates on making defence equipment , information technology and health science products. Some says it's industry is geared towards encouraging war. Well we were in their camp and therefor products we could import for our consumer we did not bother to make ourselves.
Let's see how you fare with consumer system. There was no beggar in India as Maccaulay said more then a century ago but that India was not trying to make the most modern weapons like The old USSR in competition to USA.
@Ravish: The word glacier is not redundant as referred in reference to Simla Accord And quoted above.
@Arijit Sharma: Removing poverty through rocketry that's a good one
The whole article has the same theme which is that Pakistan is superior to India and one Pakistani Muslim soldier is ten times as good as a Hindu soldier of India and this applies to rockets or missiles or any other field of activity.
@ayesha_khan What India achieved in 1980 was in collaboration with Russia (erstwhile USSR). What we wish now is to independently explore and research - the Big Impact Theory, study mineral composition of moon and ofcourse market India as a world leader in Commercial Launch Vehicle segment.
Btw, it was India that very recently discovered & proved presence of water on moon.
"Somewhere in a discreet office in Pakistan, a nuclear scientist is in a serious conversation with a strategic planner trying to lead him on to that illusory goal of imitating the feat within a couple of years, only if the strategic planner could keep the funds flowing".... What a joke, pakistanis can't even make a toothpaste themselves what to say of missiles and that too ICBM's.
@Ravish: "India is already on track with its space program and plans to send an Indian into space before 2020"
I take it that you meant seding an Indian to the moon. An Indian in space was already achieved by Rakesh Sharma in the early 1980s. I recall Indira Gandhi asked him " Wahaan se Bharat kaisa dikh raha hai?" and he said a line out of Tarana-e-Hind by Iqbal " Saare jahaan se accha Hindustan hamara'.
@Ravish: Will India be sending all of it's millions of poor into space or to the moon? This is nothing but an expensive ego trip for India at the expense of it's downtrodden poor.
if we have a section of "top weekly columns" or something similar, this one should make its way to the top immediately. plenty of wits in here yet causing embarrassment ..
An Indian on the moon would reach first, sir. India is preparing to launch its second moon mission 'Chandrayaan-2' by 2013.
I do not understand the undue attention that Agni-V is getting in Pakistan - clearly it poses no danger to you. In fact, you should be happy that the Indian army is clearly more focused on threats other than Pakistan, unlike your defense establishment, which survives on sabre-rattling and conjuring up imagined threats from India. Bangladesh was the majority population of Pakistan at the time of its dismemberment - clearly India has not gobbled it up - and has been generous to exchange a larger territory for a smaller one in the recent enclave settlement. Bangladesh is able to free up its resources to invest in education and healthcare, and has managed to control its population growth, which is now 25% lower than Pakistan. Why is it that you cannot get rid of this India-fixation and, for want of a better term, get a life?
And your point is???
It would have helped me as a reader if the writer summarized the purpose of this verbose write up. I could discern no purpose.
A very well written article. Some days I do wonder, who are we making so many weapons for? Are we so much in love with ourselves that we would rather burn down everything in existence to save ourselves?
@author: " ... It is a perverse way of avoiding a war and ensuring peace but this is what you get in primal societies where enhanced means of extinction are celebrated by creating and joining select groups. ... "
The view point is different this side of Wagah. When we talk about having joined select groups, the message is NOT about possessing means of DESTRUCTION, rather it is about marketing our skills at Electronics, Communications, Engineering, Rocketry etc. It is about inviting people to collaborate with us - so that we can lift the millions of people wallowing in poverty, illiteracy, etc as soon as possible.
After all the things are happening, still PAK strategists are thinking on the terms of tit for tat concept.
When will PAK think and act outside of India centric views? Indians have been doing long range rockets for decades and they did it for several non military reasons, and Agni V is an inevitable outcome, and is always based on geopolitics, and certainly it does not involve PAK. What is the goal for PAK?
PAK has to get out of the mind set of copying India. So far such mind set has not helped PAK.
What was or is PAK's original design for PAK in all spheres of life: Can some one enumerate them here?