Rinkle, Dr Lata, Asha choose to live with husbands
The decision was announced at the Registrar Office of the Supreme Court.
Express News reported that the parents had said the decision was not taken in an open court.
The girls, Faryal (Rinkle Kumari), Hafsa Bibi (Dr Lata) and Haleema Bibi (Asha Kumari), had earlier been allowed to decide whether they want to live with their husbands or their family.
The three-member bench, comprising Chief Justice (CJ) Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, Justice Khilji Arif Hussain and Justice Tariq Parvez, had ordered the police to provide adequate security to the girls and said that in case of any harm faced by the girls, the police officials will be blamed for negligence. The court had added that the girls were old enough to make the right decisions themselves.
The court had earlier sent Faryal and Hafsa to a shelter home called ‘Panah’ in order to give them time to decide their future without any pressure.
The bench was hearing a constitutional petition moved by the Pakistan Hindu Council.
Dr Ramesh Kumar, patron-in-chief Pakistan Hindu Council, had moved the petition asking for the recovery of three females belonging to the Hindu community, including Rinkle daughter of Nandlal (Mirpur Mathello), Dr Lata daughter of Dr Ramesh (Jacobabad) and Asha (Larkana).
Faryal had earlier maintained that she was neither kidnapped, nor converted or married forcibly. She said she converted to Islam and married of her free will, and that nobody pressurised her into doing so. However, her family has alleged that she was abducted and forced to convert and marry.
COMMENTS (168)
Did you all know that Mian Mith00 and his hundreds of supporters were threatened by Rinkle's parents and uncle? It was terrifying for an old man to live and fight for justice and finally justice prevailed. Old man is still under threat and Police protection should be given to him and his son/daughter-in-law from the threats of Rinkle's ex-family. Remember what founder of the country has said. Even the majority should be free live under no threats.
@Nayla: A very depressing situation
Rinkle was right when she said in court the first time that Hindus will never get justice in Pakistan, and asked the judge to either send her back with her parents or kill her. Mian Mitthu is too powerful.
These girls will NEVER be heard or seen from again. Their new Muslim husbands will never let them communicate with their families ever again....and even if they commit suicide, the public will never know because it will be covered up.
@Adnan Khan:"pagan names" i smell a lot of hatred
@AHMED: But they didn't want. They just wanted to go home to their parents in the beginning. But now that they've been dishonored they have no choice do they?
@WoW: But they didn't really ever have a choice did they? Rinkal Kumari stated to the first judge that saw her that she had been kidnapped and wanted to go home to her parents. And the judge sent her back to her kidnappers.
@Anon: Not true. Rinkal Kumari stated to the first judge that saw her that she had been kidnapped and wanted to go home to her parents.
This is completely a wrong decision. The chief justice should think over this case once again and should try to give the right decision.
SC hasn't given a clear verdict. There are some issues to deal with. Like, eliminating the factors responsible for Forced conversion if any, and protection for those who changed religion by their free will. I am myself against forced conversion and it must be dealt with iron hands. Those culprits responsible for forced conversion should be punished. We need legislation for this purpose. But at the same time we are responsible for protecting those who adopted new religion by their free will. Down with extremist Mullahs.... Down with progressive liberals....
I think they should be given the right to whatever they want, they have everything to say freely in front of the media and the supreme court and also the chef justice and our courts are free and this was only possible by the great efforts taken by the political parties as well all the NGOs and human rights movements. The girl chose what they really want to chose and this is justice.. No more propaganda should be done on what they have to do..
http://syedowais.blogspot.com/2012/04/faryal-aisha-dr-lata-happy-ending.html
@Nadeem: Very well said Nadeem. The Indians just want to impose their own decision. They will keep moaning.
@Sarfraz Khan: were you with them when they were forced??? did you witness rapes of these girls??? courts moved in, girls accepted to live with their husbands, they were given time to decide their fate,,, now why you insist on your own decision for them???
@Eyeroll //The reality of what actually Indians and minorities think of us is obvious in the comments. //
So.. What did you expect? You thought that the whole world will shower you with rose petals for the way you treat the minorities?
Poor girls have no other choice..Already they have lost their girlhood, religion and now why will they lose their womanhood? They have done right thing under the available circumstances.In another country, things would have been different.
This so called marriage is abominable. The girls have no choice and Pakistani justice system exposed itself to the world community that with gun anything is possible.
Even if the girls had return to home, they would have lived entire life under life threat and possible acid attacks. Also these girls lived with their so called sex starved husbands for months and most likely had forced sex too. Under this situation, what decent choice the girls have? Their life destroyed by thugs such as low lifer Mian Mithu. This is blot on the history of Pakistan and history will judge these acts.
Finally justice has been delivered.It's a fitting reply to all those who question Pakistan's treatment of it's minorities.Here are three girls from minority wants to marry the men they love against the wishes of their respective family and the court gives them a helping hand.Bars the family to meet them,put them in detention long enough to reflect until they realise their fait accompli. This will surely encourage more girls from minority communities to fall freely in love with men from the majority community.
@ Liberal Fanatics :) :) what you say dudes?
its not gud decision of SC,its matter of shame for double standard people who kidnaped,raped non muslims girls and than they brings them in shelter of islam,its not victory of religion,its a better way to protect these kidnapers and rapers,we think that SC can't gone through the realities of that matter,deciosion is given inforcement of religious parties becuase CJ think that he can't face the protest of so called religious parties in battle with PPP Govt:
Good decision at all ... girls have right to live their lives as they want ..
@SK:
I don't see any gun on their heads. Which eye are you using to see the guns? Quit across the border trolling please, will you?
@SK:
With all due respect to Islam
Yet you say our heroes So called? I smell hypocrisy here.
Time told long time back how the Muslims from Arab came in Asia make your old generations to come out of the filth of caste system and what not and gave them a few respect. Even the extremist Lata Mangeshkar and several Hindus visit Ajmer Shrine. So let's not help us to learn about your ignorance about Muslims in this region.
The things you mentioned true and very true that people of Pakistan are not practised Muslims but that does not give someone an excuse NOT to embrace Islam while sources are everywhere.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/365256/forced-conversion-ashas-family-raises-questions-about-her-statement-to-the-media/
additionaly chek the link which says that Asha Kumari is under age (15 years old) how is she supposed to take decision of changing her faith!!!
@Adnan... important thing is taht I think CJ (Iftkhar) was supposed to give an xact decision rather than diplomatic (as he always does) by giving the girls option that you choose family or husband!!! quiet strange!! and God forbid if your family is at gun point/threatened to life what would you choose!! just think and be logical!!
@ Adnan: With all due respect to Islam, what muslims are doing in nothren parts of Pakistan or Karachi or Quetta nd u name the place nd thousands of incidents will be there.....I mean to say If you ppl who r muslims cannt follow your own religion how could you ppl expect others to follow........ nd just go through the history of ur so called muslim heroes (bin qasim etc) what they did to Hindus or Budhist!!! We I am not here to fight but time will tell.........
These girls had no other choice, either die or live. If even truly converted or by force they had to stay where they are otherwise face the 'APOSTASY.... Once Muslim then only Muslim or straight to grave yard. '
By reading the comments above, I don't see the difference between the method of reasoning of leftists/liberals/secularists and religious extremists. We (as in Pakistanis) are no longer intolerant of people, we're also becoming intolerant of ideas. Ho-hum.
PB
The girl's taken the decision to be with their husbands to save their lives. Say if they had taken a decision to be with their parents & returned to the HINDU religion,all the Mulla's would have been after their lives shouting that these girls have converted from Islam to Hinduism ( When they married a Muslim boy they automatically become a Muslim) & punishment for leaving Islam ( Apostasy) is death... So do you really think SC gave them any option to choose???
The girls knew the following:-
(1)The culture in the sub-continent is the men want to marry virgins so considering that it had been widely reported that they had been kidnapped and raped(true or false does not make any difference as because of the publicity their image had been tarnished) no one would marry them.
(2)They had seen how powerless their parents were in that the parents could not even meet t
hem, so they knew that they and their families were not secure if they returned.
The survival instinct has forced them into accepting their rapists as husbands . The SC's job is not to adjudicate but to dispense justice. SAD is all i can say
So technically now the jihad is legal and state sponsored.
being a nonmuslim i love islam but now im loving with muslims of islams
Though for us Muslims it does not make a difference what people babble on online forums, It's quite refreshing to see that majority of the people rejected the propaganda by liberal extremists and their platforms like ETribune.
rinkle gave the statement last time she wants to go with parents and cried . now she said she want to go with her husband is there any proof or any vidio of that statement...? and miss asha she is about 16 year old she has not right to convert his religous according to rules and regulation. i love islam but not muslims of islam.
@Dr Priyanka:
Dr, what good are you doing for the women of your own country who gets killed before even breathe in this world?
You should not worry about Pakistani women.
A lesson to all the Hindus in pakistan. You will have to pay for the decision taken by your ancestors for not moving out to India or other countries in 1947.
Any one thinking that the SC or pakistan has given a fair verdict, just needs to have his brain checked.
The credibility of Supreme court of pakistan was lost when they sent ZAB to gallows.
Umm : A logical and polite response to your messages has not been published. Hope you find the answers urself.
It is a perfect example of travesty of justice. How can these three girls decide for themselves when their families are threatened by mian mithu types over there. Why did the judges not asked the ladies in the court itself ? What is the point in asking their statements to be recorded by the police in the registrars office ? Doesn't the supreme court have their own hall ? Why were the parents not allowed to meet their daughters and mian mithu allowed to talk to them in women shelter ? After a month of harassment, the girls got intimidated and scared. Plain and simple. What a justice !! Sat Sri akal , salam .peace everyone
What other society forces rape victims to marry their rapist?
@Sharma: If that is the truth, only ET is our last hope! Why was she kept in the shelter and why was this Miya whatever was allowed to talk to her. The poor girl is very young and this is a criminal offence. I am very sure that they told her that if she does not accept this marriage her family would be in trouble. I am devastated to the core! I believe even her so called husband threatened to kill her brother! There has to be some way out. The Hindu community should not keep quiet now.
how pathetic to see the beghairat brigades still barking about the force conversion and rape theory? no girl after being raped want to marry her rapist. this case is simply a love story. and thanks to the liberal facists , it has turned to be an epic love story. i wish the couple live a healthy , happy and prosperous life.
Some cruel man take women for trafficing purpose and others for force conversion. I do not see a difference. At the end poor women are forced to compromise. I thought CJ said "daughters belong to all of us"? I iwsh good luck to all other daughters. History is repeating itself. It happened during mughal empire and it is happening in 2012. May be muslim society has stopped evolving? How come no women groups are screaming? My prayers are with poor souls.
@ Ameer,
Stop spreading false propaganda, too bad you had to resort to lies to make your point... Girls have spoken to shut all so called liberals up...
Great decision by Supreme Court..... This whole event made the whole propaganda of these 'so-called' liberals crystal clear. Now that the girls have made their choice without any pressure, these so-called liberals have no right to comment on their decisions.
A number of stupid posts can be seen flowing, like how these ladies married to unknown males, how they quickly embraced Islam, how they had no choice and bla bla. I believe ET can still do a lot of propaganda. Too bad I haven't seen any posts from the ET's fake Zaid Hamid till now ... I believe he is quite close to ET. :p
The final verdict has come and the girls are now free to live according to thier religion. A lot has been written in favour of thier decision and against. However, modesty and sense has been completely lost in the allegations of hindu community and thier Liberal supporters who extended thier views to write in trying to build a story that is absolutely not possible and has no precedence at all. Think about it, have any body heard of a rapist marrying his victim?and we had very noble rapist who abducted the girl then raped her and then forced her to marry him. WHAT A STORY TO TELL JUST TO MALIGN ISLAM/
@adnan,W hat if a member of your family is kidnaped and then given the chice to marry or not to marry . I can only say that in India people wouldn't celebrate if a Muslim girl converted to Hinduism and as a matter of fact most Indians will feel shame and guilt
@Hindustani: Why do think it is forced.... u guys have just one agenda... just criticise anything to do with Pakistan.... ACCEPT IT>>> they have made the decision... learn to live with it... otherwise go and weep somewhere else....
@Sarfraz Khan: how u come to know all these facts ... ??? do u know them or have u meet them ... ??? and please don't try to make stories of your own ...it can be otherwise ...Only ALLAH knows better or they themselves ...damn so called liberals ........
@Ameer, if 16 years old in this society can make open affairs n illegal relations, why cant they can marry?
Whatever they chose, they should have a relationship with their parents. It is not right in Islam that the child pretends to not know the people that love them the most. Except our shame culture, which permeates all communities, might stop the parents and their daughters from having a normal relationship. These brave women, who have let known their free will, can show the path for women of all communities in Pakistan: Women can chose their husbands; AND be on good terms with their parents.
Poor girls!!!!!!
What about the two hundred men of Mian Mitho firing in the court?
I dont know y chief justice of Pakistan sent these girls to Registrar.. For what reasons, and with whom these girls were sent... Everyone should remember the previous hearing when Rinkal clearly said that Everyone in Pakistan is hand in glove, there is justice only for Muslims, there is no justice for Hindus. all these people are hand in glove, they will kill us”. And this is what happened today.... These people will see in future when same will happen with their families.
Justice has NOT been served.. :(
thats good that independant supreme court looked into the matter them selves and happy with the facts.
Can anyone tell me there are millions of hindus around the world why just few of them fighting for their rights in Pakistan, its just our rights are not protected...
@expat:
the 6 million figure figure you are quoting is given by AMARTYA SEN, a well-renowned leftist. it's ironic that when these leftist in your country were saying that the conversions are forced, you labelled them enemies of islam, or what not.
and yes it is a matter of shame for us indians, just like honour killing, acid attack and forced conversions are for your country.
Is there any punishment in Hinduism for apostates?
@all the Indian commenters: Before preaching to us and claiming moral superiority please go to the Time of india website http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Pak-SC-allows-3-Hindu-women-to-decide-their-own-future/articleshow/12717860.cms Just read the comments to see some of the most vile and hateful comments against Islam. The reality of what actually Indians and minorities think of us is obvious in the comments. Makes me feel that Jinnah was a genius for the two nation theory and separating us from india.
I don't speak the language, so I don't know if this video is true or not, but this is a video of Rinkle's supposed first statement in court:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3Gp5EaunKE&context=C4229ef7ADvjVQa1PpcFPcJPKY1r_OTwGfVKVzAW4S6gzRo2dAGJs=
everybody lets get back to work. its not about hindu or muslim. atleast they reached supreme court, matter of raymond davis was wrapped up in lower courts.
Wise choice by the girls for survival. Survival is higher priority than maintaining ones dignity for nonmuslims in pakistan. The girls didn't have any choice.
I wish them all the luck and best wishes and also pray to my own god to keep them safe if possible happy and also pray to whatever god they believe in to keep them happy
@Jpy: did she called u personally to tell this
FOR GODS SAKE let these WOMEN LIVE AS THEY LIKE, NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY RIGHT TO COMMENT OR SPECULATE. if you still think they did it under pressure, shame on you for thinking that they donot have right to decide themselves.
Awwww feeling sorry for liberal extremists now..
@unbeliever How exactly is the condition of women better in your country, when thousands are abused over dowry claims, and millions are aborted on the sole basis that they are girls, in preference of boys. In india women are thought of as a burden, and upto 6 million girls have been aborted in the last decade alone. So please dont preach to us, atleast in this country women have a right to be born.