Faryal Shah, Dr Hafsa to stay in shelter home for 3 weeks: SC
The Supreme Court decided that they were to be placed in a shelter home for three weeks so they could decide whether they wanted to go with their husbands or families without any external pressure.
Faryal, however, upon seeing her mother said that she wanted to go with her instead. She also said that she did not sign the previously recorded statement, whereas Dr Hafsa has already given her statement.
The relatives of the two girls who were present in the court raised a hue and cry, saying that their daughter wanted to go with them and that they were not getting justice, upon which the chief justice said that the girls are our own children, not outsiders.
The CJ further ordered that the two girls are to be brought before the court on April 18.
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A lot of kind hearted & mercyful comment from most of the pakistani people. Help them who s in need,,,, hate them who hurt the innoccent,,,,,,,, Thanks to all kind hearted muslims,,,, make the world sweet, lovable, natural,,,,,,,,,,,
@Umer: Haha.. true true... :p
@zalim singh: I dont think you are reading the news. Security against the religious fanatics. Plus if she has converted because she is in love with the guy, whats the issue. You dont know the answer neither do I so dont jump to conclusions until SC decides.
three percent of pakistan doesnt matter that much in my book i would happily drop them at a bus to india simple I DONT CARE
All clear signs of a doomed country.
@Jan:
security against whom? I think this three weeks will be utilised to brain wash these ladies- to save Pakistan's face.
Pakistanis have made stealing women a part of their religious practices. What a shame.
@Jan, So I assume you wopuld not object if Pakistan supereme court put you in some kind of home , in complete isolation and confinement, for your security. That is civilized world is called imprisonment. The girls have already being held in solitary confinement for past 3 weeks. So how much longer ? Until they publicly disown their parents and go the home of the abductor , I mean the husband ?
@Babloo: This is for her security my friend plus I think this will also give her the opportunity to think with clear mind what she wants to do...
So if the CJ is quoted as saying that she cannot go back to her parents then why is he trying this case in the 1st place ? Lets assume for a moment that she embraced Islam ( lets not ask how a teenager suddenly develops so much love for a religion ) and married this boy. Even so, as a free human being, why can't she go to her parents house from solitary confinement , instead of to her so called husbands house, if that's what Rinkle told the chief justice in a public court that she wants to go with her mother ?
In Pakistan, are women forbidden to go to their parents house ?
@R.Khan: Please dont make generic statements and blame the whole society. If there is forced conversion then it should be stopped. If not, then let them live happily.
DONT JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS BEFORE A DECISION IS MADE BY THE GIRLS OR THE SC!!!
@Babloo: To need to be soo dramatic... its not a bollywood movie... real life with real people!!!
@Zaid Hamid: what is lie??? what u want to say ?? plz zara khul k...
Chief Justice should explore this issue more. still there are many unanswered questions how she was abducted,what resources were used?? who was the culprit?? how she was treated when she was in custody of PPP MNA. and who will guarntee that she was not physically abused? and i strongly suggest the criminal minded persons involved in this case should be hanged in public place so that no one dare to do this kind of act in future.
We dont need any enemy.. Our religious extremist are doing the same thing.
@निखिल उत्तराखंडी:
Nikhil, Islam is the truth and truth should spread throughtout the world so everyone benefits with it. Mulims are the messengers of Islam as there will not be any messenger of God is coming after our prophet. There will be a time as prophesized that the whole world will be muslims and live peacefully.
Just to clear up for the people who think that there is Islamic extremism involved. Forced conversions like these are never trait of Islam, neither our religion permits it. So if what happened is true the people responsible for this whole scenario should be brought to justice and hanged in public to make an example. That has nothing to do with Islamic Teachings. In fact they're quite the opposite.
If Faryal wear veil than what we assume from this act? she came from Shelter home, it means she accept Islam by his heart, but government and Secular NGO pressurize her for return in hinduism. very shameful act they must be think about it.
Is it reasonable to expect justice and hope there would be a rule of law in Pakistan? Chief Justice of Pakistan demonstrated his jihadi mindset today when he ruled that the kidnapped hindu girl who was forcibly converted to Islam, could not go back home to her parents. According to reports, "CJP said, girl wants to go with her parents but there is confusion as the girl had embraced ISLAM and had spent married life, so how can she turn around from her previous statement?" There you go. Kidnapping a good looking 17 year old hindu or christian girl and forcing her to convert to Islam, washes away the crimes of abduction and rape. The victim cannot exit the 'sacred' fold of Islam once entered, as the Chief Justice apprised Rinkal Kumari in a private hearing today. The punishment for leaving Islam is death, he must have told her.
@Saba: You obviously know a lot about cunts if not anything else.
I wonder about some of the comments which say that they object this conversion because culprits spoiled Islam's name. A 17 year old or even 30 year old is not equipped to get answers to the profound Spiritual Questions such as - Who Am I? What is the purpose of my life? Is there Jannat with 72 virgins after death? Is there a need of any model of hereafter to live a good life "here and now?" Answers to these questions get revealed to one slowly when the mind, ego and identity starts dissolving. A conversion by reciting a line in alien language or reading book in alien language is fooling oneself and to ones progeny. It is a crime against present and future humanity.
@R.Khan:
"Sad & we call ourselves Muslims & Pakistanis by forcing our minority brothers & sisters to become Muslims!"
Great sentiments. But the sad truth is that throughout Islamic history, forceful or coerced conversion have been a common occurrence especially against conquered populations.
It's a disgrace for Pakistan when adult minority women are sent into shelters against their wish by the Chief Justice of the land. There is no hope for them when the protector of the constitution is complicit in intimidation by sending them into shelters while right-wing extremists prey on the families and women.
@Usman Malik:
"his does sound like a good idea. Keep them isolated from pressure of both families and then let a Judicial board record their desire – if they want to stay with their husbands (who ET bloggers are adamant abducted them and then forcefully converted) or want to go back to their parents."
Wow! You are equating the kidnappers with her own family who raised her for 19 years? Why should not the girl be sent to her family, who are the only people who really care about her, and then let her decide? It is a well-known and acknowledged fact that Hindu and other minority girls are forcefully abducted, converted and married (read raped) on a daily basis in Pakistan. With this history, what is the use of sending them to a shelter where the Muslim fanatics would be able to intimidate them once again?
There will never be equality and legal and social justice for the minorities in Pakistan, especially the Hindus and Sikhs. The only alternative left for them is to move to India and start a new life.
Its better if the SC before giving any decision ask the following parties if they like it or not
Zardari Media
and then make a decision on the will of above parties,then we can call such a decision a constitutional and just one ,other wise it's not.
Rinkle has also told the courts repeatedly that she did not know her now alleged husband before. So that rules out love marriage. So am I to beleive that Rinkle one day ran away from home and when to a mullah and said please convert me to Islam and marry me to someone , if she was not abducted to begin with ? Why is she also covered in veil from toe to head when appeareing at the court ? Is that how most women are in Pakistan ?
The girls are doomed. This is what Mr Justice said "Raising a query, the chief justice said that now the difficulty was that they had embraced Islam and solemnized their Nikah."
After 3 more weeks of painful confinement and isolation the girls will be subject to judicial abduction. Every word that Cynical said, seems right now. Thank you tribune for atleast allowing readers to express their anguish.
Here's Rinkle's parents' account of what happened at the court today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Hq7w1FYy8&feature=youtu.be
The report in Dawn paints a different story...
http://www.dawn.com/2012/03/26/sc-allows-three-weeks-for-decision-in-forced-conversion-case.html
Cynical wrote "These girl will remain imprisoned (whether you call it a shelter,home or a cell) until they accept the conversion and subsequent marriage. Mark my word."
I hope they are spared such depraved cruelty. Today's news report on the matter is so brief and un-informative because the courts actions today are inexplicable.
Also, those of you, who are looking at it purely from Hindu-Muslim angle. Please don't.
This is an issue of abduction and forced marriage to begin with and as far as it gets decided, it should remain one.
If any of you is in favour of the so-called marriage here, please imagine (regardless of which religion you follow) that your sister or daughter gets abducted and later you find her parroting sentences under pressure of guns and goons. How would you feel?
Try to empathize with their parents first.
A real shame on the fabric of our society! Why didn't the CJP sent the poor Rinkle Kumari back with her parents? How would we muslims feel, if somebody from another religion kidnaps our girls and forcefully convert them? Our moral bakruptcy and forceful conversions of the innocents are taking us back to stone age soon...
Let it be known that the Supreme Court is now fully responsible for the safety of these ladies.
These girl will remain imprisoned (whether you call it a shelter,home or a cell) until they accept the conversion and subsequent marriage. Mark my word.
now why does the Supreme Court decided that they were to be placed in a shelter home for three weeks?? even when rinkal has already mentioned that she wanted to go with her parent. please give her justice.
@Vinayak, You should read up the history of thus case before commenting. 2-3 weeks ago, the justices ordered the girls to be held in solitary confinement, with no one allowed to meet them, so that they could speak their mind freely when they appear before the supremne court on March 26th. After more than 2 weeks of waiting in isolation they appeared and said where they wanted to go. These is no basis for sending them back again into confinement. This is absurd and at minimal justice delayed is justice denied. Meanwhile, no one even talks about handing out justice to the abductors who walk free, to threaten and intimidate. Shameful.
@Vinayak:
She gave exactly the opposite statement to her recent influence, her abductors. Where is the confusion?
@Veekay: You have already made up your judgement that the girl has been forcibly converted. Even I strongly feel that it is most probably the case. There are many others here who think equally strongly the other way.
But, the court has no business to make up judgement based on emotion. If they had taken the girls statement today, she might have given a wrong statement, because of recent influence. After that her parents are not going to get another chance. If the court sends the girls to their parents and god-forbid some harm happens, then the court looses face, and the girl's parent's case becomes weak.
So, it is most sensible to let the girls in protective custody for some time before taking their statements in court. The right decision is important here, there is no need to hurry.
@Aneel:
Now that the other side knows Rinkle wants to go back, she is not safe anymore in any shelter, that is the worrying part. Mian Mitha himself said on national TV that Islamic punishment for going back is death. The message is clear for his followers.
She is not Faryal.... She is Rinkal Kumari and Dr.Lata correct it first.... and I think this is good decisoin taken by CJ as sudden decision in favor of Hindus can create violance in area... But this is now proved that she has been kidnaped and forced by Mian Mithoo this is the real slap on his face....
@Asim Baloch: I am sorry Asim, but I am a sindhi and friends with many sindhi Hindus. Never have any of them complained of being mistreated or any lack of freedom to practice their religion. Allah knows best. But your comment is just angry and ignorant.
There is no compulsion in Islam ! All the controversies makes should make at least the muslims to go back to Quran and Hadith and its clear....there is no compulsion in Islam. The guidelines are beautifully laid down. We cannot decide who is a better muslim. Similarly, we cannot decide who is a bigger sinner.This is for Almighty to decide. We can only probably judge people based on morality and humanity. Whether the girls want to go back or stay wherever should not be anybody's matter since no one will be accountable for other people's action on the Day of Judgement. People need to back off this matter. Let girls decide what they want to do in full awareness and capability. If by any chance their initial ? conversion was forceful or under duress, the true purpose of conversion was already lost anyway. Even if they did convert initially out of their own free will, it still is their free will what to do next........
The abductees continue to be held in solitary confinement and isolation even after they spoke to the supreme court. The abductors walk free without any fear. of any consequences for their actions.
Rinkal sister we are with you go ahead, defeat the culprits iam sory to say hw badly ourz local media has tried to influence d case,n hw bdly shamful mullas have tried to exploit d ur case
First of all let me congratulate the court on taking up the case. It deserves full credit for that. However, what transpired today in Supreme court raises a lot of questions. The supreme court had earlier ordered the girls to be held in isolation for more than 2 weeks so that they could appear before the court and speak without fear. So when the girls appeared today and spoke what they wanted, why were they ordered to be held in further isolation ? Did the court not like their answers ? Is the court coming under pressure from any quarters ? This makes me very nervous and fearful about the final outcome of this case and the fate of the families and the girls. Then there is the issue of justice for the abductors. Are there any consequences for abduction of Hindu girls ? Its almost everyone is fearful of even asking that basic question.
@Furqan: how can her family members threaten her when she is not allowed to talk to them? How can a Hindu threaten anyone in Pakistan? You are a weak person who wants to make up things if reality doesn't confirm to your point of view. Very weak.
I wonder why the media is calling her faryal when that's not really her name. Don't get me wrong. Faryal is a nice name but not that nice when forced upon a person.
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world ! and it is still the second biggest religion of the world.India ,considered to be the biggest competitor(and many a times 'enemy') of pakistan has one of the biggest population of Muslims, and there too it is the religion with highest growth rate.many of the countries of the world bursting with population explosion like bangladesh,nigeria ,north sudan are predominantly muslims !! and still they are not satisfied ?? i dont know then how many more muslims they want !!!!
It is hideous to see how some people propagate religion ! And to what end?? Absurd. This nation will find it hard to make a future for itself.
SATYAMEVAJAYATE! (The Truth shall always prevail!) Pakistan and Pakistanis are living a horrendous lie. You may not probably like the price you will have to pay some day for doing so!
Did the justices ask her, 1. If she was abducted ? 2. if so, Who abducted her ? 3. How was she treatd during abduction period ? 4. If she was coerced and theratened to convert ? 5. Who thereatened her ?
If so, what where the answers ? If not, why did the justices not ask the most evident questions ?
@Asim Baloch: Hindus are integral part of Sindhi community, with such tactics, they cant be intimated to leave Sindh. Why should they run away from their motherland? Instead, extremists and Moulvis who are propagating hate should be brought to justice. Whole Sindhi nation and educated class of Pakistan supports minority rights and they are with Rinkle Kumari.
I think the court did the most sensible thing. Who knows maybe the parents/ relatives of the girl might harm them. The truth should come out in 3 weeks.
Oh look all the liberals getting happy.Actually i reckon the girls were forced by their family members to revert there statements earlier because of life threats.But wait i guess no one hear will believe that coz we only think muslims can cause harm. May Allah guide us all.
The girls were forced to convert and marry.They should with help of their relatives and other rational citizen file cases of rape,kidnapping and harassment against the actors of this heinous crime. The fanatics and the extremists must know that by forceful conversion they are giving bad name to Islam.
Scene from a movie Few Good Men sums up the whole thing. Jessep: You want answers? Kaffee (Tom Cruise): I think I'm entitled to them. Jessep: You want answers? Kaffee: I want the truth! Jessep: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to! Kaffee: Did you order the code red (forced conversion-added)? Jessep: (quietly) I did the job you sent me to do. Kaffee: Did you order the code red? Jessep: You're goddamn right I did!!
@Pakistani Hindu:
Trust me, in Pakistan it’s possible to hide all three. When Buddha said it he hadn't met Pakistanis.
Are they going to be kept in isolation unless they agree to go with the abductors ? Can you imagine what these abducted girls have gone through for last 1 month ? The horror , the intimidation and the feeling of helplessness ? Why prolong that nightmare ? The girls spoke before the supreme court. What more can they do ?
This seems like an open and shut case. SC should have sent Rinkle with her family. She and her family have suffered enough.
Why these abducted women are referred with their forcibly imposed Islamic names by the respected news paper? Aren't they Rinkel Kumari and Dr. Latha?! Please correct.
Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth. Buddha
What's happening ? The abducted girls have spoken. Why send them back to shelter in Karachi where they can again be intimidated , instead to their families. Its absolutely clear now that Faryal was abducted and converted by force.
just do not want to comment on this topic anymore... whether she was forced or wasn't is a thing of past now. her sufferings are beyond measure, and only a girl, a mother and a father can understand her feelings. atleast i am unable to feel anything now.
Sad & we call ourselves Muslims & Pakistanis by forcing our minority brothers & sisters to become Muslims!
Once Rinkle and Lata go back to their families, I fear for the security of these families and the community. Looking at the lynchings that happen with the police being mute witnesses, I am very fearful for the families indeed.
Justice Delayed is justice denied, when the girl herself is saying infront of highest judicial authority of the country that she wants to go home with her mother then there is no point dragging it and providing an oppurtunity to the Extremists to exert pressure and exploit the life of an innocent girl. I believe CJ should have respected her(Rinkle's) free will and let her go with her Parents and should have given some time to Dr Lata if she was indecisive about it.
Faryal, however, upon seeing her mother said that she wanted to go with her.. See now the TRUTH !!! This is no doubt kidnapping & forced conversion and marriage!! HARAM HARAM
they have to go with husbands they are now muslims
This does sound like a good idea. Keep them isolated from pressure of both families and then let a Judicial board record their desire - if they want to stay with their husbands (who ET bloggers are adamant abducted them and then forcefully converted) or want to go back to their parents.
what were some of you saying that the girls might have had willingly coverted?????? please spare the poor and needy of the country by making fake conversions. I would like to ask dont you think Allah is not watching all this,what will be his reaction to all this!!!! Please think over!!!
What a joke of an answer to the serious issue.
So the truth finally comes out.Rinkle Kumari states before the supreme court that she wants to go back with her mother,not her new muslim ''husband''. She has also retracted all her previous statements taken under coercion from her.When she stated before the supreme court that she wanted to go back with her mother,than the case should have been finished,then and there,why has she been made to go to a shelter where her kidnappers can threaten and intimidate her once again.
If CJ could see that Rinkle wanted to go with her mother of her own free will then why did he not allow it? There is no justice for Hindus in this country.
i cant understand why three weeks again if she has given the statement that she wants to go with her parents SC should have let her go.... i wonder what would have been the decision of SC if she would have given the statement that she want to go with naveed shah
Faryal, however, upon seeing her mother said that she wanted to go with her instead. She also said that she did not sign the previously recorded statement..!! now where are the fanatics who were in the favour that these girls are not forcefully converted..sad though..!!
"Faryal, however, upon seeing her mother said that she wanted to go with her instead. She also said that she did not sign the previously recorded statement, whereas Dr Hafsa has already given her statement."
A Real Slap on the face of The Extremist Trolls & PPP MNA mian mitho