Just days after a request for the Red Warrant for his arrest was filed with the Interpol, Musharraf displayed calm, as he gave an exclusive interview to Express News show "To the point”.
Programme host Shahzeb Khanzada, prodded the retired General over the deal that led Kayani’s promotion as the COAS, but Musharraf refused to get dragged into the discussion. “No comments”, he maintained.
When asked if making Gen Kayani COAS was part of the NRO deal with Benazir Bhutto, but that he, Musharraf, did not want to keep his promises and therefore delayed Kayani’s promotion for a month and half, fulfilling his promise only when he was compelled, the former President laughed it off “absolutely wrong”.
He also refused to get drawn into the debate of to whom was Kayani closest, Benazir Bhutto or him. You will have to ask him this, I do not know,” said Musharraf.
“You have admitted that you made some bad decisions, like NRO. Was promoting Gen Kayani as COAS one of those bad decisions?” Khanzada asked. In a calm manner he responded “no comments, I do not want to comment.”
When pressed, “Do you mean to say that it was not a good decision?” Musharraf, paused, shifted a little in his seat, and said “believe what you want to believe.”
I would give Pasha an extension
With the extension of under-fire DG ISI Lt. Shuja Pasha under much debate in the power corridors of Pakistan, Musharraf was asked whether he thought a third term would be in the best interests. Initially he desisted, but then said he would have given him an extension.
“I do not want to comment,” Musharraf maintained, but continued to add, “I want to say that he [DG ISI] is an able and intelligent officer, a straight talker and a person with a very upright character, is a good officer and a good man.”
Reminded the failings of the ISI and the army during Pasha’s tenure, including Mumbai, Mehran base, GHQ attack, Musharraf brushed these aside saying performance cannot be judged on the basis of one or two lapses. Of the Mehran base and GHQ attacks, he said that “they have open spaces, anybody can jump over a wall and get in, its not the DG ISI’s job to provide security to the base … if ten people who are determined can get into the GHQ, jump over a section of the wall and get in.”
The former General then defended his then DG MO, that the ISI uncovered more than 90 per cent of the attacks, and acted very quickly, but no one talked about that. He further described their performance as “excellent organisation, with excellent performance”.
Reminded about Abbottabad, Musharraf admitted that it was a “big failure”, but continued to defend Pasha saying you could not hold the officer to account on a single lapse.
Khanzada recounted the involvement of DG ISI in the Memogate scandal, Musharraf said that the ISI chief did not need to seek permission like a child, and that he could meet anyone.
Though when asked if Mushrraf were in power, and the question of extension came up, what he would do, the former chief of staff without hesitation said that the extension would be granted.
Malik’s letters another one of his “apples and banana” moment
Asked of the time that Rehman Malik said he wrote 14 letters to president Musharraf to provide security for Benazir Bhutto, and that he (Musharraf) neither provided security nor allowed her to take private security, Musharaf said this one more of the “apple and banana” moments specific to Malik.
He said that as the then president, he was not into the small details but if he had ordered that she should not be provided security she was entitled to, then he can be held responsible.
The jialas had taken over the security, he said, adding that Khalid Shahanshah was doing strange things while standing next to Benazir. Shahanshah was later murdered in Karachi and this, Musharraf ppointed out, must be investigated.
Musharraf said that he called Benazir after receiving intelligence report from a foreign agency, that “BB if you do not trust our agencies, this a foreign report. There are suicide bombers around.”
On suspected US vision for a partnership between Musharraf and Benazir, the former President declined any formal mediation, but the Americans made it evident that they liked Musharraf to continue as President and Benazir as prime minister in the future.
Asked about Saudi influence in the return of Benazir and Nawaz Sharif, Musharraf said that they [Saudi’s] wanted Nawaz Sharif to return once they saw Benazir touch down in Pakistan again. He admitted that while a deal was done with Nawaz, the terms for the deal came through the Saudis who assured that Nawaz will not ally with PPP, not demand restoration of judges and he will not challenge Musharraf’s position as president.
“Saudis said that Nawaz says so, when they wanted the permission for Nawaz Sharif to return while I was concerned that now when BB has come, if Nawaz also comes, there will be turmoil. Then they said this, but there was no written deal.”
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@EK:
i salute you. atleast some people still think with their brains and not with other peoples propaganda. the truth is always the truth. you can try to hide it from people, but pakistanis will see that soon enough. let him return inshallah.
@MarkH:
if you know the army, the DG ISI cannot and does not act without a nod and approval from COAS. this isnt some banana republic army that the two senior officers are thinking two different ways and acting upon them. kayani and pasha are both former underlings of president musharraf, and musharrafs no comment does not indicate his trust and belief in gen kayani. otherwise the man would never have made it there. the two from all accounts continue to like and speak to each other. it was the diplomatic thing to say 'no comment'
@Amjad: grrr...Go ask lower class and lower middle class, and middle class....The 80% of Pakistan will tell you they were easily able to buy basic needs. The job market was better as well. Now if you want to think opposite and it will make u sleep better at night then your choice.
and plz before commenting on 2008 financial crash go read some books which will tell you which areas of the world were affected by it.
@amjad The recession was due to sub prime mortgages in US which triggered a ripple effect. Why india has not been hit like euopre and US?? recession wud have been better for pakistan cuz every one then wud be pouring their money into us rather than in US and UK... BUTTT.. thanks to peopale representatives no body trusts pakistan thus every penny is going out,... the only thing coming in are the NRPs who send their money to their families....
@AliRizvi: Perhaps you believe all the nonsensical economic growth figures of Musharraf and Shaukat Aziz but the majority of Pakistanis see the failures of 9 years of dictatorship and want Musharraf charged with treason. Do you not understand that the whole world, including the US and Europe were on an upswing due to faulty economic practices and policies- especially easy borrowed money. That's why the world is in a global recession. Do you think the crash in US and Europe has to do with the current President Obama or the new European leaders or do you blame the previous leaders who created the economic mistakes that lead to the present collapse? Musharraf was one of the worst things to happen to Pakistan and he proved any democracy- even the current one is better than dictatorship.
He wanted to create History ...in the bargain he himself has become history ... Now he is trying hard to stay in picture...looks difficult thou
Why on earth does Saudi Arabia get such a pass on interfering in our matters. Who's pockets do they line with their petro dollars? They do it so well that nobody seems to care. Take notes Mr. Obama.
Mush, I love you so much :( I pray for your health and safety now and then. Stay blessed my General! :)
Pakistan misses Benazir Bhutto. She had more courage than every General in the Army. RIP BB. Sincerely, Rehan
In other words Pasha had some role in his planned return and Kayani was probably staying neutral.
"u cant judge Pasha on single event of OBL" well said. So I request u Mr. General, pl let Bilour to commit a single error of destroying Railway, Naveeq Qamar to destroy WAPDA, Sharifs to destroy Punjab and etc. Do not ask them to resign or intervene just like u generals did through IJI types.