Faryal and Naveed Ahmed Shah fell in love, eloped and went to Daharki to Mian Mohammad Aslam of Bharchoondi Sharif. However, nineteen-year-old Faryal’s father, Nand Lal, had told the Mirpur Mathelo police that she was kidnapped by Shah, who lived in Sufi Mohallah.
Mian Mohammad Aslam, the son of Pakistan Peoples Party MNA Mian Abdul Haq had said that the couple had visited him on Friday and the girl had expressed her desire to convert to Islam and marry Shah. Aslam informed the girl’s father and asked him to meet his daughter to confirm her wishes.
The couple was taken to the Dargah Aalia Qadria Bharchoondi Sharif where she had embraced Islam. Pir Mian Abdul Hayee alias Mian Shaman had solemnised the nikkah.
Mirpur Mathelo DSP Syed Abbas Shah was informed about the marriage.
Faryal’s uncle had admitted that the family was informed by Aslam about her wishes to convert to Islam but he remained adamant that she was under pressure to say so.
The protestors today, led by writers SG Bhagia and Raj Kumar Lakhwani, took to the streets from Bhelar Road and while shouting slogans against the government gathered outside the press club.
Talking to the journalists, the leaders strongly condemned what they declared an act of kidnapping and forceful conversion of Kumari, daughter of Nand Lal.
They said, “We are a peaceful community and do not have a tribal backing, therefore we are are considered to be soft targets.”
The protestors blamed that the Pirs of Bharchoondi Sharif pressurized the girl to convert to Islam and marry Shah. They said that even when she was produced in the court for recording her statement, dozens of armed men from Bharchoondi Sharif had gathered outside the courtroom, which according to them, was a pressure building tactic.
They said that hundreds of Hindu families have migrated to India, because of the crimes against them. They demanded of the government to provide protection to the hindu community to dispel the sense of deprivation and insecurity prevailing in the community.
Faryal's family protests outside Karachi Press Club
Scores of Hindus came together at the Karachi Press Club to protest against the kidnapping and forced conversion of Faryal.
The family accused that Aslam had backed the forceful conversion of Kumari to Islam and marriage to Shah, a supporter of the MNA.
Wearing black armbands, the protestors – members of Hindu, Christian and Sikh communities – chanted slogans against the trend of forceful conversion of young girls.
Daya Ram, Kumari’s relative, said, “We want the girl to be produced in the court again. Earlier when the court took decision in her case, they did not allow her parents to be present there.”
He added, “The girl said that she wanted to go with her parents, but the court did not decide in her favour.”
They appealed the Supreme Court of Pakistan to take suo moto notice of this incident and demanded for a fair trial.
The enraged community said that they won’t stop protesting till she is handed back to her parents.
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To @PakPunjabi:
My dear brother go to the history and findout the history of pakistan... You will come to know that its not muslim country at all..all the places ruled by Hindu king. How the place became a muslim now..your forefather must be an hindu. The founder of pakistan is Mohammad Ali Jinah was from hindu rich family from Gujurat. I just would like to request my brothers in pakistan just do some research all the city name,places,state name comes from the hindu king like, sindh,rawalpindi came after hindu Raja pindi. Where all the hindu went..howmany temple you have now in pakistan. dont hate just try to talk to your parents about your forefather..
i know mrs mangla sharma,she only come for photosession in the protests.this is right time to do sumthing for minorty other wise there is no option for them.....
@Pollack:
there are only few guys here with commonsense , i appreciate your comment
@Zafar: you are really idiot , how many muslims were murdered in gujrat riots? the biggest culprit is there MP
This is double standard of media , the minorities are using religion to there advantage. thousands of muslim girls are kidnapped in pakistan , raise voice for all of them .
why all girls converted to muslim are being married to any boy , why there is no any daring person to accept her as his/her daughter and keep with himself for one or two years , after then arrange for his marriage
@Maaz
Dear she has been kept in the captivity of Naveed Shah for abt 2 weeks. Now u tell me that how come she would be in an independent state of mind to tell her will. Let her go to Dar-ul-amaan, stay their for at least 3 to 4 days n let her come to the stable state of mind, then ask her will. Then we can reach to a proper conclusion.
This was not a force conversion, the girl herself accept Islam, She came before media after the false allegation on her husband. She is ready to meet her parents but I doubt her parents would meet her. Do check this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okev2ojehLw&feature=share
@Truth Seeker:Truth Seeker you are not truth seeker. In India a Muslim women may have been killed by fanatics but when you say “Have you heard of a story in India where a muslim woman was converted to hinduism by force?” I say you are ignorant because Hinduism does not believe/accept in conversion. A Hindu is a Hindu by birth and no one can ever become a Hindu by conversion. regards.
Dear friends, we for going for token hunger strike on 08.03.2012 at press club. from 1.30 to 4 pm....if anyone wants to join,,we will be pleased to see your support.
@SAndy: And when a muslim girl runs away with a muslim boy, its still karo kari Doesnt prove anything without statistics.
@Truth Seeker: Let me clear one thing, why every body is comparing India with Pakistan. ? It is not the matter of two countries stupids, it is the matter of differences of rights among Pakistanis. Open your eyes....... Not only Majority ppl are Pakistanis, Minorities are also Pakistani, nor Indian or Americans......
@sushant: yes I have....
@zalim singh: If you read comments carefully, nobody is supporting the kidnapping.. its just when the indian mafia gang and start character assassination of the pakistan nation thats where we have a problem. You guys are all just obsessed with Pakistan... just take a chill pill and look at your backyard before pointing fingers at others....
@some one: actually i will be forced to repeat the thigs already there on net, all in all muslims never had a cakewalk in india, they came, they conquered but could never rest at ease and were always opposed.
if they could not establish themselves completely here, it's not because they were inefficient or what but it's because here is what they encountered resistance.
when we read history, we should read it objectively, looking it both sides. otherwise it's better to read fiction.
@some one: ohoh brother this world is big and we had places outside subcontinent, come out of your compartmentalised thinking
the wave of changez khan slaughtered islamic empires in persia, central asia, and other parts of world. infact the civilians were the worst sufferer, as such human resource was totally smashed in these areas. so many lives were lost, and kingdoms reduced to rubble that a full scale reversion to the past took great time, and it necessarily checked further invasions for atleast a century. and i would really like to debate about this, you can mail me your id and lets have a healthy debate regarding every aspect. i have already given my id in last post.
Well alot of curse and abuses running around.
You can call me a right minded, cave mentality person because I believe that Islam is the best religion and has the solution of every problem of not just today but till the day of Judgement.
That being said, I condemn this act if it is true as described. Forced conversion is strictly prohibited in Islam. I have witnessed many conversions myself (alhumdulillah) and the first and the foremost condition for conversions is "under no compulsion". Non Muslims argue that it was forced spread of Islam under sword but it was not and is definitely debatable.
As for this particular case, this happens all the times to poor Muslim girls by feudal lords in rural areas. The feudal lord must have wanted to marry the girl and he forced her to convert. If the girl were a Muslim, he would have just forced married to her. I am sure the same happens in all the feudal societies around the globe. This issue is on the media because it has two problems; Forced conversion to Islam & forced marriage. Islam prohibits both!
Thank you Pakistani... Amit is living in a cucko land where he thinks everything is perfect... Again, I support India because that is where I was born but to say that it does not have problems or it does not discriminate is just a pack of lies... Every country has problems.. so please everyone stop gloating at each other.. Peace...
@Unbeliever
I need to laugh at your ignorance and bigotry. You claim that Gengis Khan killed muslim rulers and prevented them from converting hindus in India. Do you know that gengis Khan died in 1227 while mughal empire in India started in 1526 (300 years after Gengis Khan's death!!) The truth is that if muslims had relly forced hindus to conversion, there would not be any hindus left today after 400 years of muslim rule in India.
did any one hear about converting any other religion person to Hindu????
@Truthseeker: Wow, looks like you completed a phd from a local madrassah, judging by your comments.... highly knowledgeable people like you should apply for pakistan civil servics exam, so dont waste time here... LOL.
troubling to see so many Pakistanis support the forcible kidnapping and conversion of this Hindu girl. Dont they remember what happened when a group of Hindu boys hired a muslim dancing girl recently? The boys relatives were killedas a revenge.
@ Milind,
Our Fb Page is, http://www.facebook.com/InjusticeWithHindusInSindhPakistan
@Pakistani: Damn NO......
First of all, how is the majority religion allow Kidnapping?
Why are people silent?
ET deserves appreciation for bringing this up. And yes, the protest won't stop until the girl is released!
@Indian: The answer is yes...
@amit: Is there only one Ali in the world... u comment made me laugh.. i dont think you are indian either...
@Truth Seeker: Dear Truth Seeker You do not see any head lines in India because it does not happen here. Are you aware that when Babri Masjid and Gujarat happened, not for a day but for months these made the head lines.Even to day it is the Hindus who are fighting with all their might for the cause of victims of Gujarat and Babri Masjid.Have you ventured to see the Indian TV in last few days when all the channels have been extensively talking about the 10th. year of Gujarat. In India you know that their are hundreds of Muslims who are married to Hindu girls and also Hindus married to Muslims. But there has been not any tamasha of kidnapping and conversion. Please do not write without knowing the facts. You Sir, can not comprehend the direction in which the multicultural society of India is moving.
@Sunny: what is your FB page? about injustice with hindus in pakista
@ FAz... u r rite Many girls run away from such a depressive society but For ur kind information when girl is hindhu and boy z Muslim so Majority call it Love and when Girl is Muslim and Boy is Hindhu than they call it KAro KAri..
@Zeta: I fully agree with you papers like ET and Dawn must be banned for talking the truth and bringing the oozing ulcers of the society in Pakistan to the notice of its readers. The free press must be gagged to establish true rule of fanatics. Not only this the editorial teams and writers on opinion columns must be jailed for writing in the interest of a Pakistan to become a member of the world of future. I agree all the sanity has to be crushed. Keep it up.
@ Vishal, this is not the +ve mean but Alas! Many Pakistani People didn't investigate this personally that is y they don't know the exact facts and figures. But i am condemning that way which hindu community is taking to blaming us.
@SANA: Are you educated? You want to punish an innocent for a crime done by some one else. If justice has to prevail then hunt the doers of samjhauta express and also of forceful conversions. Only a woman can understand the suffering of another women and they should raise their voice.
@unbeliever: "they did their best and after 1000 years 33% of people in indian subcontinent are muslims."
Then I guess, they were pretty incompetent, only 33% (actually less than 20%) in 1,000 years. Just kidding. As you say, Islam in India was spread through sword, what instrument was used in Indonesia and Malaysia.
@shar: please stop Blasphemy Law in pakistan and tell me one incident in india where muslim girl force converted to hinduism and this is common practice in pakistan where hindu population fast decling.after 1950 and their population only come to 1-2%..you called treatment of lower cast in india please search google 50% jobs ,and education sector seat in india is reserve for lower cast people please name one muslim country who give this type facility to minority. .
By the way,One +ve thing i see in this News. Many people from Pakistan r conddeming and opposing this act.Thanks to all Also,One person in pic has kept Saffron shawl on his Sholder with OM written on it.Nice to C this from Pak
Highly Appreciated..........to TRIBUNE......Many Many Thanks for Posting/publishing such a true story.....It is the protest of Every Hindu of Pakistan............We all Hope that Tribune will Support us in further actions!!!!!!!!! REQUEST TO NATION: Plz save our sister Rinkal Kumari..THis is a illiteracy of small towns and Fuedalism....Plz Understand and Support Us
The state is cursed by the minorioties against whom a genocide has been done in past 60 years. Numbers say it all.
What about the Hindus converting even in India ? Are those the forceful conversions as well ?
@SANA: why blaming to pakistani hindu,they got nothing to do with that.
@Pakistani: Just being inquisitive - Does a man from the 'Islamic Republic of Pakistan' qualify to comment on this topic????
@SANA: The intellectual level of this comment is so low that the only reply or suggestion is that SANA should stop writing and start reading and thinking to pull himself out of his own primitiveness.
Just shameful ! Can anybody tell me what good religion has done for Pakistan? It is on the brink of collapse. Religion is a feeling that is best left within the confines of the mind.
cmon both pak and india treat minoritirs like crap im uk based born n bred come from landowning family well known in ak when I went was disgusted to see trrstmrnt of lower castes etc infis is similar im outlook been their on holiday
There is no hope for Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan. The only thing these people can do is leave Pakistan and settle down in India. It was no fault of theirs that they were caught in the madness of Partition that forced them to become part of Pakistan. The Indians and their government should magnanimously give them asylum and help them financially to start a new live in India.
I understand that there are thousands of Hindus and Sikhs who crossed over to India who are in a limbo since the Indian government is refusing/delaying to give them asylum and Indian citizenship. As a result, they are living in utter poverty and with not much hope. That is a travesty of humanity..
No use getting in front of a train that is going to wreck. Just get on it and then jump out before it wrecks.
Life is more important than labels.
@SANA: What an idiotic statement. Does one wrong justifies another? When one marries is it necessary to convert to another person's religion? Where in the religious texts does it say that? It is only a construct of stupid fanatics like yourself of which Pakistan seems full. When my son marries a christian girl 17 years ago we did not ask her to convert to our religion. They are still together and very much in love. Why would any religion want people to convert against their wishes is beyond me. A religion should have people who join it because they are in admiration of its principles but Islam wants people forcibly in its fold. What a shameful situation.
@Moeed: "All sympathies with the poor girl However I am sure that If the girl was not hindu or qadiani or christian than this protest would not have been a front page material for ET"
Glad you have sympathies for the humanitarian aspect. I think if there was a story that a Muslim girl was forcibly cobnverted to Hinduism, it would not just have been a story in ET, it would have been run non-stop by all the channels. If you recall a few days back, the courts handed over a daihter to her French mother whom the father had kidnapped and was keeping in Pakistan despite court orders in France and PAkistan that mother should get custody. Even here where the mother was being custody but there was a chance that the girl would be raised as a Christian , it was the top news in many channels. Imagine what would be the situation if a Muslim girl were to be forcibly converted to some other religion after kidnapping.
It is too late for that girl anyway. She is alreday violated by a man with or without her wish. Knowing our culture (Hindu and Muslim) if she denounces her marrige and/or conversiaon she has no future in terms of getting married again or leaving peacefully in the society. If she in fact was kidnapped and forced to marry this man and she chooses to come back She should leave Pakistan if possible
@Pakistani: first read their (Sajan K. George) bio .he is suppoter of NLFT christen terrorist organi. in north east .who is killed many hindus in tripura .their aim is make india to christen country unlike pakistan we not kill this missionary .christen/muslims have long history of invade other country and convert them unlike dharmic religion(hinduism/buddhism/jainism/sikhism)..and india have no Blasphemy Law unlike pakistan.stop Blasphemy Law in pakistan and give their rights.and ya christens are most educated community after jains and parsis.our defence minisiter is chriten ,kerala cm is christen ,mizoram cm is christen,andhra pradesh cm is christen ,soniya gandhi is christen. @Ali: you are liar . you are not indian muslim .i read your previous comments .
First of all that u r saying that millions was slaughterd when Muslims concord India I would not be agree with u on that, bcoz argue on that will never reach us no where. Let's us take standpoint in reality. If we look at human's nature then we do understand that u can never force human to do something unless u r using force( hook or kruk ) but the historie and today's reality also show that if u take that force away humans will go back to that what they more desiare to. Sow forcing some one to do something it is impossible. And Islam when it started its become sow huge stat in the first two hundred years that it started from malaysia and ended in Sudan in Africa and force sow many people to become Muslim impossible. And if we look at Europe or America today, sow together are converting 300 to 400 people every single day and for your surprising 70% of them are girls and women. Reality is not showing that what is your statement. And about the girl that artical is about I would not talk about the conclusion before I by my self have heard that girl,( that she has been forced to convert) and if it is true I will condom this issue bcoz it's not allowed in islam to convert any on by force. And second u was writing that u r atheist? Being atheist is also to be religuest. Believing in something or not believing in something is the samthing and makes u to believing in something and believing is cald to be religuest. And in last if i can give u a prof on that there is a creater of that universe( reality will be the judge in that case) and that creater is Allah will u take that challenge ??????
@sana: Shame on u girl. u wanna say that if one person has done something wrong with others, then they should get its revenge from other innocent people!
MADHYA PRADESH, INDIA (Worthy News)– Four Pentecostal pastors in Madhya Pradesh were recently beaten and arrested on charges of forced conversion, spending a night in jail before making bail.
It was the latest act of aggression by Hindu nationalists of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh against Christian ministers.
After Pastors Ramesh, Balu and Ashok baptised 11 Hindus according to the Pentecostal rite, RSS activists armed with sticks along with local police broke-up a prayer meeting following the baptism. After arresting the pastors for forced conversion, the police interogated the newly baptised, attempting to coerce them into filing false charges against the pastors. However, the new Christians flatly refused, stating that they wanted to be baptised.
"The situation is alarming for all Christians," said Sajan K. George, president of the Global Council of Indian Christians. "Madhya Pradesh is a rogue state that does not guarantee any rights of the Constitution in this community. The anti-conversion law of 1968 serves as a pretext to intimidate Christians."
Sad news. More persecution for Pakistani religious minorities. No one is safe.
It appears that there is a bunch of Indians who are so obsessed with Pakistan that they have nothing else to do but post stories on ET. Indian bros, leave us alone and let us sort our own problems and you can sort your problems
I am a muslim and live in India. I am sorry but those of you who are potraying that muslims are given equal rights (in practice) in India are lying. I live in Hyderabad and me and my friends face discrimination when it to come to jobs. Yes, I support India but that does not mean that it does not have problems. The same problems lie in Pakistan. So, my fello indians, stop bickering and look at your back yard before you blame others... Peace
@Truth Seeker,
The kafir will do to you what the muslims did to them. Karma is a fundamental law of the Universe.
@Truth Seeker: Why are muslims so keen to demo that their religion is the truth? c'mon we sre in 2012 ,use your logical brain.
Let me make it clear that I am talking about Pakistan and not Muslims. Pakistan, because of what is practiced there, attracts extremists. A good example would be Afghanistan. When Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, many Afghans left and took refuge in other countries. Afghans who are not educated and only religiously oriented took refuge in Pakistan and in comparison, educated and liberal Afghanis migrated to India. You just have to visit Afghanis now living in both countries and see the difference yourself. Pakistan today is facing problem from extremists, whereas India does not have a problem of Afghan extremists. Continued practice of extremist ideology would make skilled, educated and liberals flee Pakistan and Pakistan will be left with extremists only. Many talented Ahmedis have already left and talented and skilled from other groups shall follow.
@Truth Seeker: "If you believe in the truthfulness of your religion you should, at least, wish to see its supremacy among religions unless you think its somehow inferior relative to other religions."
You have said it all. Many Pakistani Muslims like you believe in preaching supremacy of Islam and not following the principles laid down in the religion. You will see comments often that Islam does not allow this or that when it is uncomfortable to accept what is in effect being practiced. I would say it is closer to thinking Nazis. On the other hand most Hindus seldom preach their religion to others and most practice the principles laid down in the religion. It is more close to Atheist. Just believing in any God or Religion does not make a person good. it is the principles he follows that makes him the person. You call it Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Is it really Islamic when all vices are found there and Muslims kill Muslims every day. Sunnis killing Shias, Ahmadis and all others. Either Islam is not a religion of Peace or Pakistan is not following Islamic Principles. You decide. As far as I know, lying is prohibited in Islam. It is the biggest blasphemy to call Pakistan an Islamic Republic when Islam is hardly followed and leaders of religious parties openly advocate killing of others. Yeah, Yeah, I know the response. "Deny Everything, Accept Nothing, Make Counteraccusations".
@unbeliever: *"those who say all muslims are former infidels who converted to islam because they saw liberation in it are equally bigoted.
MOHD BIN QASIM, MAHMOOD GHAZNI, AURANGZEB killed and converted at will and at the point of sword. "*
Please somebody, anybody tell me how anyone could be made to convert, believe and then stay on it indefinitely by using force. The good example - though a shameful one - is Ahmadis who were constitutionally declared non-Muslims and are coerced in every possible manner by the extremists, but ask anyone of them if they are Muslims or not. I guess you already know the answer.
Regarding Bin Qasim and Gaznavi, in wars there is always killings, on both sides. Had they had converted Hindus to Islam forcibly, there wouldn't have been many Hindus left in the Subcontinent after 1000 years of Muslim rule. Check what happened in Spain when Muslims lost to Crusaders after 800 years of rule. Hardly any Muslim was left there after a decade.
@Moeed: it really makes me sad that whenever there is a crime against a minority or a supposed protected class the approach always stays the same , "the news is just here because it was a crime against a Hindu, a christian , a qadiani or a woman" , guess what , it is front page news for a reason, the minorities are supposed to be protected hence the status of being protected class world over. and please don't write "all sympathies with the girl" when you are about to change the whole meaning of the sentence by adding up a "however" or a "but". this is not exactly the place to show your art of conversation , better be straight forward and wrong than falsely shoeing your sympathies with someone and taking them away.
Every time such a news comes around ,the discussion always drifts to whatever has happened or is happening in india with minorities, what we dont realize is that the hindus are no less the pakistani citizen than me or you. The fact for me remains that i am more concerned when an injustice is committed against a minority in my homeland than what happens to a muslim who is an indian citizen. as far as comments from indians are concerned, my advice to all pakistanis is that when we dont have our house in order you cant expect rose petals showering from across the border.
Shame on Tribune....for using the name Faryal.....when her name is Rinkel.
Why the Name Faryal has been used..we have objection.. Using the name Faryal is attack on the respect and sanctity of our rights...The story has not been fully covered as it was.....Actually over 2000 people and all were youth and all were qualified people ie. doctors, engineers, MBAs, CAs, IT specialists and business men....
Hats off to all the people who gather today in the large rally in Karachi.. This is the first time, but this is call, this is the time that all Hindus to awaken and not only raise their voices for protection of their rights but also for the injustice being done with them since decades in the country.
We want to tell that we want peace, we want justice because the Justice is Indivisible, Injustice anywhere is threat to justice everywhere..
We want Rinkel to back....back with her parents...... Listen and Remember!!!! Mian Mithu, no more tricks..... else we also can do the same what you have always dared to attack on our respect and sanctity of our sisters and mothers...
Message to entire Youth....The responsibility is high...we have to be ready for sacrifice....but we must remember our purpose......that this is not a question of Rinkel only but our all sisters.......
How has ET verified her age to be 19? I read in Daily Kawish (one of the widely circulated Sindhi) that she is 16.
as far as froced conversion is concern muslims give full freedom to non muslims be it in greece or india, unlike non muslims who either ethnicaaly cleansed them whether in philipines, spain or other places. under muslim rule hindus, jews, and christians were all given full rights, islam is the only religion that considers forced conversion a sin.
Hindu community in pakistan hates muslims and islam, there are alot of hindus who convert to islam not just in south asia but all over the world and they find in islam a way of life that they prefer. However, God forbid if some poor hindu in pakistan or india is to make this choice of reverting to islam the hindu community would never accept the conversion. I know many hindus who accepted islam as a way of life in their lives only to be taken away by their family members to their villages where they were tortured to become hindu again.
numerous mosques & church are built in India every year. Most of the Indians are nearly secular. Pakistan just 100 years back in time. The current state of Pakistan reminds me when Galileo Galilei told earth rotates around the Sun then Church threatened him to burn.
@sharma: "Hindus don’t believe in supremacy of their religion being the only god’s religion."
If you believe in the truthfulness of your religion you should, at least, wish to see its supremacy among religions unless you think its somehow inferior relative to other religions.
"Have you heard of a story in India where a muslim woman was converted to hinduism by force?"
What a pretentious ignorance? Never.
"Muslim % in india has raised from 7 % to 15% in last 65 years while in pakistan their % have reduced from 10 % to <1%!"
Before Partition great majority of the Hindus were living in East Pakistan side while much less were in the West Pakistan side. After Partition most of the Hindus living in West Pakistan migrated to India as they were much scattered, and also most of the Muslims who migrated from India chose to move to Punjab and Sindh provinces of West Pakistan. It will be idiotic to compare current percentages with pre-Partition percentages without taking into account the Bangladesh and migration effects. On a lighter note though, the rise in Muslims population in India certainly shows much higher potency of Muslim males relative to others, notwithstanding the percentages are highly debatable and reasons diversified.
@Truth Seeker: i live in india .and i know jainism/buddhism/hinduism(santana dharma) is dharmic religion(indian religion) our philosophy is same and we don't belive force conversion .and hinduism/sikhism/buddhism/jainism marriage is vary common in india .specially hindu/sikh/jain..and i don't think you anything know about dharmic religion thats y u told this .ya according to UN 25-30 muslims are force converted to poor girls hinduism to islam .why this type conversstion not happend in india hindu/uk hindu/usa hinduism .why only in pakistan is so called peaceful converstion is happend .and please ye mat kahna "islam is fastest growing religion in the world " we know how islam is fastest growing religion how their birth rate is way higher than us hindus and sikhs.in india (same in pakistan).and why pakistan and indian muslims are backward in education sector . and ya my mom is shiya muslims and i am atheist . in 800 yeras of islamic rule 80 million hindus/buddhist killed AND MANY CONVERTED by muslim invaders and they destroy nalanda type of many univercities and temples in india click this Persecution of Hindus#During Islamic rule of the Indian Sub-continent
@SANA: So mean if few people made mistake in past, it should be repeated by others. Extremely sad..
@amit: "every mounth 25-30 hindu force converted to islam."
My great great grandfather embraced Islam while India was being ruled by the British. Was that also a forced conversion? Or you think all the Muslims of the Subcontinent came from alien lands. Ok, Muslims were the result of forced conversions, but who forced the Hindus to convert to Christianity, Sikhism, Jainism, and Buddhism?
when Muslim girls elope and marry of their free will, parents lodge fake kidnap complaints. The case is similar here.
Several months ago, I read this in Pakistan's daily Newspaper "Dawn". A Chinese Engineer who was on an assignment in Pakistan had friendly relationship with a Pakistani Engineer. The Chinese Engineer once told the Pakistani Engineer that he really liked him for two reasons. First being that the Pakistani was very friendly. Second and the more important reason being, the Chinese had known the Pakistani for 5-6 months and all this time the Pakistani did not try to convert him. He felt this was a rare exception as all other Pakistanis the Chinese had come across had tried, one way or other, to convert him and they start this process immediately after the initial acquaintance. This would give a good perception of how the outsiders, including Pakistan's closest or only friend China, views Pakistanis.
@amit: to just add to it a little bit, shall i say that in recent marriage between ritiesh deshmukh and genelia d'souza they married both hindu and christian style. genelia is still genelia(not geetanjali) but i know it is difficult for most of pakistanis to comprehend what we are saying.
@Truth Seeker: Such things don't happen in India. India does not have a state religion unlike pakistan and Hindus don't have a history of forcefully converting people like Islam.
Shameful..... I demand LAW AND ORDER NOW.
@WB: RIght. But it's not the first story of its kind. So don't try to imply this is a first in Pakistan.
Forget the Indians commenting here. They are here for no good. For us Pakistanis, this is serious. Islam does not allow this and this is very shameful. It i to be condemned. The Prophet (PBUH) never did this. The Sahabis never did this. And we should not do it. In fact, Islam requires you to protect minorities within your territories.
@SANA: Yeah. The same thing which happened when a train carriage full of people were burnt alive in gujrat.
here in india, a muslim boy can marry a muslim girl and a hindu girl can marry a muslim boy. but in pakistan its only one way traffic. if there also you are allowing girls to marry a hindu boy and convert to hinduism then i have no problem but it is sheer hypocracy. you are conveting hindus to islam but not allowing conversion to hinduism. shame on you hypocrites
@Moeed: If she was not Hindu, Christian or quadini then the front page news will be about the murder of the guy if he is a Hindu, Christian or quadini.
Forced Conversion is not permitted in Islam. Not at all. Islam is totally against oppression of minorities. As far this incident is concerned, lets wait and see if Faryal's family is right in saying that she was forced to convert. What I read between the lines is that she was produced in court where she expressed her desire to convert. Seems likely that she has converted out of free will.
@SANA: "YA WHAT HAPPENED WITH MUSLIMS SAMJHOTA TRAIN AND GUJRAT RIOTS ???" - Lets say 59 Muslims get burnt alive in a train today in Pakistan while they were on a pilgrimage visit by a Hindu mob ..... Give me a sincere answer what would happen to the Hindu minority in Pakistan? (I know that is not possible practically because you need people of certain community in strength enough to actually form a mob in the first place.... Due thanks to the very peaceful (!!!) conversion of minorities into the majority!) A Mob is a mob with an hyperemotional tone without a logical thought of what will happen next....
@Truth Seeker: my friend my mom side is shiya muslim(hyderabadi) and my father side is marathi hindu and when they marriage my father not force to my mom to convert hinduism my mom fallow islam and my father is athiest hindu and my girlfriend is goans christen .mostly indian muslims/christen or hindus after interreligious marriage not converted to other religion .and first stop Blasphemy Law in pakistan to save minorities civil rights.read un human right report 2010 in pakistan every mounth 25-30 hindus girls force converted to islam by islamist..
@Truth Seeker Hindus don't believe in supremacy of their religion being the only god's religion.
Have you heard of a story in India where a muslim woman was converted to hinduism by force?
Muslim % in india has raised from 7 % to 15% in last 65 years while in pakistan their % have reduced from 10 % to <1%!
@SANA: As a muslim and a Pakistani, I am ashamed of what you said. One cannot punish and oppress innocent people because of wrongs done by other people. The Samjohta Express incident does not give anyone the right to oppress minorities in this country. The perpretrators of that incident need to be punished, ( and I believe they have been) not people passing in the street who had nothing to do with the incident. This is basic morality. Why do you not get it?
@VINOD: "Entire Pakistan will look the other way as nothing has happened. The Chief Justice of Pakistan .... does not seem to be taking note of such trampling of minorities."
Did you ever see a front page headline in any Indian Newspaper when a Muslim or Christian girl was kidnapped and forcefully married to Hindu boy, or Chief Justice of India took note of similar incidences?
The girls parents are making a very legitimate demand of one more hearing in the court where they should be present when their daughter makes a statement that whether or not she was forced to convert and married to the Muslim boy. If this is not done, it would tantamount to gross injustice to the Hindu community and it can be concluded that the judicial system is biased and insensitive to minority communities in Pakistan.
@usman786:
this isn't prophet's era. we ordinary human beings with all our falliabilities and weaknesses live.
so it means that we can't provide right to minorities?
All minorities had rights in Prophet's era
its been 65 years to the independence and yet the country has not accepted the minorities there part, i accept that there is no law and order in Pakistan, but there is not the target on religion conversion on any one as on Hindus in Pakistan. Please either Stop it or just accept it that you dont accept us and ask us to leave. Finish this at ones its been edges fighting.
@Zeta:
Yes everything is a conspiracy and everyone is out there to malign Pakistan.
Agenda, conspiracies and more agendas is the only thing that exists.
@Moeed: The reason that it is a front page article today is people in the past did not allow it to be a front page article then....
ET, It seems you are deliberately trying to ignite different communities inside Pakistan. Such issues are local issues, civil issues and you publish it as criminal injustices against minorities. Far worse cases like this are being carried out on muslims too, yet you seem silent on that. Am i smelling an agenda?
@SANA: it appears from your name that you are a girl. so i have a question for you? if u fall in love with a christian boy and want to marry him but don't want to loose your religious identity, will the boy's family be right in forcing to convert to their faith....
and lastly if you feel lives lost in gujarat give you the licence to convert any girl to your faith, then i do not pity you but i pity these stupid hindus who decided to stay back in pakistan!!!!!!!!!!
@SANA: did pakistani hindus burnt muslim pilgrims
ET is getting good to convert every single social issue into a minority issue. Minorities are not only facing such dilemmas of kidnapping but Muslims as well. We should strive to eradicate these social problems from our society instead of linking it with Minorities.
@ Sana, I am not indian, i am a pakistani why should we the pakistani hindus be punished for samjhota express incident which we condemned. please clarify do you beleive pakistani hindus are not pakistani ?
why media is silent ? democracy sucks !!
@Moeed: It is on the front web page of ET!.....your argument would have been right for other media , not ET:)
they eloped, it tells the story. Rest is a family war and the media hype.
Many girls run away from such a depressive society be it hindu or muslim and then end up in karo kari! Nothing new except the fact the the girl was a hindu and ppl of Pakistan are expert in politicizing, coloring it with issues of ethnicity, religion, caste or sect! Doomed country!
@VINOD: Hold your horses buddy, the damn story just broke in.
@SANA: What about the Gojra riots? Do you remember them?? Stop justifying these acts, you should be ashamed
@ Amit, well said.
@Sana, The culprits or Samjhauta are in jail and so are the one who did Gujarat riots. By the way, who are you to talk about Gujarat?? And Muslims are guaranteed their rights here under the constitution and fortunately, in India, we dont have to beg some chief justice to do something for us. Moreover, do you know who is fighting for victims of Gujarat riots, they are all Hindus. In any case, what would you know of democracy and democratic practices?? Have you seen anything like that?? huh
We don't need to go to the conclusion after having one side of the story by blaming the boy,...we have to wait until the truth comes out. May be the girl realy love this guy and she wanted to get married to him and convert to Islam.... I know a muslim girl , who ran away with a Hindu Boy in Karachi, becuse she loved him......
Thanks for showing a true story, I'll request you, please keep follow up of this case.
@Moeed: dear you should not express your sympathies with girl.because you have balanced it by criticism on ET.don't you appreciate ET for being a voice of minorities especially in Pakistan where no one wants to owe minorities cry.
@Sunny: YA WHAT HAPPENED WITH MUSLIMS SAMJHOTA TRAIN AND GUJRAT RIOTS ???
getting someone to accept your religion should always be through dialogue and discussions.This practice of converting hindu girls by raping them first is sickening and illegal.The chief justice should take suo moto notice of this practice.
Entire Pakistan will look the other way as nothing has happened. The Chief Justice of Pakistan who is known for his courage and have stood firm with his interventions does not seem to be taking note of such trampling of minorities. HOW SAD. Pakistan without any rudder. What about Tehrik e Insaf party? Where is the Insaf?
So the self proclaimed ppp shows its true colours.its MNA's are now attacking non-muslim girls.how is the ppp any different from the taliban? and yet the public spokespeople of ppp always claim we are the moderates,liberals.kidnapping and forcefully converting the religion of hindu girls is being moderate?
All sympathies with the poor girl However I am sure that If the girl was not hindu or qadiani or christian than this protest would not have been a front page material for ET