In the middle, he lists Pakistan’s problems. According to him, these are three: corruption, black marketing and nepotism (Jinnah uses the quaint term ‘jobbery’). Was he correct in assuming these were Pakistan’s problems? This question is important because Imran Khan also believes that Pakistan’s problems are the same. Corruption is his primary theme and he ended his Karachi jalsa by promising his supporters never to succumb to chamchagiri. If he were asked to name a third problem, he would likely say loss of Pakistan’s sovereignty. As a Pathan, he feels loss of honour in fighting America’s war and in asking for aid.
To return to Jinnah’s list, were these Pakistan’s real problems? No. Pakistan’s breaking up, 25 years after being formed, was not because of corruption. The decades of military rule and the rise of the jihadis are not because of nepotism. Pakistan’s economic condition is not the doing of black marketeers.
What are the problems then? To the outsider, it appears there is only one. The orientation of the Pakistani state is wrong. And it isn’t aligned correctly because of its ideology, whose prenatal trait is more pronounced each passing decade. This flaw produced the state’s resolve to defy India at all costs and the subsequent dominance of the army, which has led to the emasculation of its political parties and made politics irrelevant. The successful penetration of this ideology has resulted in the population’s rejection of its own ancient culture. Indians are as corrupt as Pakistanis, as nepotistic and as poor. Most Indians don’t like their politicians. However, they don’t have a crisis of the state and no need for a saviour like Imran. Why? Simple. India’s secular constitution is accepted by all its parties, right, centre and left. Even the BJP insists on secularism.
India has one of the world’s most bigoted societies, true. But it has outstanding laws and a constitution as good as if not better than any in Europe. The state is aligned correctly, the orientation is right. In such conditions, progress is possible and despair is held at bay.
The equality of human beings is not something we should waste time debating in 2012. It can be argued that some articles in Pakistan’s constitution are in violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Specifically, the second amendment (which apostatises Ahmadis), Article 41-2 (which excludes non-Muslims from being a president) and Article 91-3 (excludes non-Muslims from being eligible to be elected prime minister). Article 227 permanently keeps Pakistan unstable because its power to strike down anything interpreted as un-Islamic is open-ended.
As an example, we have before us the Supreme Court’s opinion this week that Prime Minister Gilani may not be a good enough Muslim to hold office. Absolute purity of their faith is something that seems to be the exclusive concern of Pakistanis.
Imran defines a welfare state as one that gives free medical treatment, free education, free justice and unemployment benefits, as in Europe. He doesn’t seem to understand that Europe’s progress is the result of its secularism. The individual’s religion is irrelevant. This equality is the basis of their welfare state. Change cannot come to Pakistan without reorienting its state, its army and its culture.
This is Pakistan’s only real problem. It’s settling down can come only from a change in ideology, not a change of governments. Building an ‘Islami falahi riyasat’, even by well-meaning saviours, is likely to cause more confusion.
In that sense, Zardari is a better leader than Imran because he understands the problem. He wants to normalise the state, soften its ideology.
Unfortunately, Pakistan’s army and media vetoed his no-first use and open trade policies with India. Now its courts are working on getting him out.
It’s possible that Imran Khan will take power in Pakistan. At the Mazar-i-Quaid, he promised to finish Jinnah’s work.
So long as he tilts at the old windmills of corruption and nepotism, not understanding that the problem really lies elsewhere, his messianic fervour will come to nothing.
Published in The Express Tribune, January 15th, 2012.
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By the way, the obsession with India and militant/aggressive policy towards India was neither created nor initially supported by the Religious lobby. Deobandis weren't in favor of creating Pakistan to begin with. Maududi opposed the 1948 war on Kashmir calling it a war for land and not jihad. He even stated that jihad cannot be done with a country with which you have diplomatic relations. On the other hand, people who pursued highly aggressive/nationalistic policies against India were highly secular. The architects of 1965 war were Bhutto and Gen. Akhtar Husain Malik. First was as secular a person as you can get in Pak and second was a respected Ahmadi General. Ayub Khan, Yahya Khan and his Generals were hardly the model of religious inclination. The anti-India attitude was only inherited but not created by religious lobby in 70s. Real issue with Pak elite is their tribal/fuedal thinking that looks for conflict and domination inside and outside. It has nothing to do with religion or secularism.
@Lobster: Enlighten us.
Mr arslan, I admire your optimism. Keep it up.
A very well written Article. You were absolutely spot on in diagnosis the real problem. We Pakistanis have always been the victims of Mullahs, Military and so called intellectuals. The fake IDEOLOGY OF PAKISTAN which was never meant to be the real history. Our PAK Studies is filled with bunch of lies which never gave showed the true picture of history. Instead of educating our youth , we made them more and more confused and that resulted in despair and rebellious approach. If Bengalis demanded their legitimte rights we gave them the pill of NAZRIYA E PAKISTAN. Wish we could have learn from 1971. We need to think logically and should learn fro our past mistakes. Some of the questions I would like to raise:
Why my patriotism should be judged by the mere hatred I have towards some religion? If our National leaders did something wrong , why can't I criticize them? Why shouldn't I own the history before partition?P.S: Secularism doesn't mean you are Atheist..
pakistan has made in the name of ALLA.ho dont believe this better to live abroad ! pakistan is muslim country will remain till doomsday.INSHALLAH.
A brilliant piece, well researched and equally well articulated. Going by the reactions from Pakistani freinds it seems you have nailed it.
Outsource Pakistan to Japan. The Japanese eat rice Pakistan grows best Basmati. The Japanese pay highest price for beef, Pakistan livestock just beefing up. The Japanese like our Organic Wheat, Pakistan is a wheat surplus country. The Japanese love Kinoo Pakistan grows best Mandrins. The Japanese like our Cotton Pakistan grows best short staple cotton. The Japanese like Beer Pakistan Exports Molasses. The Japanese like Brown sugar Pakistan can produce Brown sugar on order. The Japanese train cheap Manpower. Pakistan export unskill Manpower to the world at large, the Japanese like Sake Pakistan produce Irri rice to make Japanese Sake. The Japanese import mineral water Pakistan Punjab water is easy on stomach. Pakistan has much in Common with the Japanese. Embrace Secular Japan the Pakistais will Gain, Improve, Advance, Forward and will become a Better nation through Technological exchange. Look East.
@Babloo: I agree with the direction of your statement but would like to give a small correction. Maulana Abul Kalam Azad was a stalwart in India's freedom movement as you rightly state. He also held several important posts in the union cabinet but he was never a President of India. India has had 3 Muslim Presidents out of a total 12. A 25% representation which exceeds the perecentage of Muslim population in India.
@Ali Tanoli: "n india we never seen any chief of armed forced is muslim or prime minister is muslim even"
Muslims are not the ONLY religion other than Hindus in Pakistan. As of today the Prime Minister is a non-Hindu (Sikh), Chief Justice of Supreme Court is a non-Hindu (Parsi), Defence minister (uber whom the Chief of Army Staff comes is a non-Hindu (Christian), Hoe Minister to whome RAW reports is a non-Hindu (atheist). Incidentally India has had 3 Muslim Presidents and also has Muslim Chief Justice of Supreme court (Bhagwan Das bu tte way was a judge in the Supreme court in Pakistan but not a Chief Justice).
Since you ask what has been done for Muslims in secular India - basically they have as much opportunity as people of any other faith to progress. That is all secularism means. In areas where education does not play a key role e.g. Bollywood, cricket , Hindustani classical music etc. they are represented perhaps in higher proportion than people of other faiths. On the other hand due to a large proportion of Muslims choosing Madarsa type education, they are under represented in professional areas. This is what you would expect in a secular country.
There is one hundred percent different perception between the people of India and Pakistan. When a sector like agriculture or industry suffers, the Indian opposite parties pounce upon the government to do justice to the particular sector. The opposition always see to corner the government on the problems faced by the people, of course to garner their votes. Here in Pakistan, the single programme of opposition parties is to topple the government, going on making personal attacks on either the Prime Minster or the President. They never talk about the day to day problems faced by the common people. The insecurity of the government is also a major reason for not starting any long term development activities. Comparing with India and criticising it for every thing is only to satisfy our egos. Answer me why all the countries including China going all the way to India for partnership agreements and why they are running away from us.
@Mehul Kamdar, Thank u sir for nice and informative information and i have nothing personal against india or indians brothers because my grand parents were indians and we are from same continent what ever i says it is just for information sharing critics.
Even though population of hindus in Pakistan is about 1%, Out of that percent, One person Rana Bhagwandas went on to become country's Chief Justice.
The greatest thing about this article was the link to the great Quaid's speech, truly inspiring and soo sad that what he wanted has not been achieved by this talented nation.
@ahmed: That is Ace !
We want Islamic republic of Pakistan.. It is the best choice..
No BS: Absolutely. Pakistan has most of the problem because Pakistan isn't secular. India has most of its problem because it is divided on Caste (and communal) lines by its leader, inspite of being secular.
It is indeed counter-intutive, but Akaar is right. Fundamental need for a nations progress is people forgetting narrow differences and focusing on growth and welfare.
Isn't china a proof of that? It has no democracy, High corruption, but still grew like crazy. The reason is - It's united in its quest for better living, rather than stupid issues like religion and caste.
Mr. Patel, You have outdone yourself. Not only for calling a spade a spade, but equally for doing so with brevity and erudition. The Europeans built civil society on the separation of church and state. Hope Pakistanis are able to get there too. @Toxuc Tanoli, Idris Latif was chief of of the Indian Air Force, not to mention APJ Abdul Kalam - perhaps India's best loved and universally respected President in recent memory; his original contribution was to India's Integrated Missile program. A Sikh, who is backed by a Catholic, rules India. Do some google searching, before posting your beliefs as facts.
@amin: "Islam gives equal opportunities to people regardless of race and religion?" If this is true how come the " islamic Republic of Pakistan" does not allow non Muslims to any of it's highest offices? Forget the plight of non Muslims? What about the Ahmedi community? You also mention with an air of false authority the you agree that some laws of the constitution need to be changed but now is not the time? Explain yourself. Please do not be under the illusion that Islam is the end of all troubles. Pakistan is a shining example of such an Islamic society. Religion and politics do not mix. And if a society or country has to be administered justly religion takes a back seat.
@Dr A. Khan and Iron Hand. Thoughtful comment.But did not go deep enough.Jinnah's heart was in right place,for demanding Muslim self rule,can you imagin 400 million Muslim and 700 million hindu;s in united India.?It is mess,but it much less than what it would be otherwise.We are all better for it.The big problem for Pakistan which is a Islamic republic,how to define who is True muslim and What is an Ideal True Islamic state.?Untill this is resolved nothing good can come to Pakistan or any Islamic nation.I have fair grip on history,study comparetive religion and world history,I try to read with as little bias as possible.I get confused when I read Islamic history.What most people do not understand,the in formative Islam,when it took root in Arabia,arabia had just 2 centers where people lived,even today,after 14 century,the indegenous population of Soudi Arabis is 3.5 million and 4 million foreigners,so you can imagin how many people lived in Mecca and medina,for comparitive understanding the population of London was 20,000 in Henery the 8th rule in 1547.and London was second biggest city after Paris and both Paris and London were not desert and had triving commerse center unlike Mecca and medina,in 6th century,where the nearest commercial center was Demascus by camel caravan.I'm laboring this point to make people understand when they talk about Islam in 7th century and gloryious time.They have no clue,what they are talking about some great times and achivement.True,a good muslim believes Islam provide a complete set of value for all time and all ages for all set of people.Then I ask a simple question,why they find themself befudled,in self doubt and confused.?To be continued
@Ali Tanoli:
You speak out of ignorance - one of the Chiefs of the Indian Air Force who also holds some of the highest military honors in India was Air Marshall I H Latif. You are welcome to read up on him at this link: http://rajbhavan.maharashtra.gov.in/previous/latifbiodata.htm
While India hass not had a Muslim Prime Minister yet, it has had three Muslim presidents - Dr Zakir Hussain, dr Fakhruddin Ali Ahmad and Dr A P J Abdul Kalam. The last of these is a man who comes as close to being worshiped by Indians as is possible. The current Vice President of India, Mr Hamid Ansari, is a Muslim and the Deputy Chairman of the Rajya Sabha or the Upper House of the Indian Parliament, Mr K Rahman Khan is also a Muslim.Mr Rahman Khan has also achieved the highest position that a member of the Pathan community has achieved in India, Pathans being a tiny minority among Indian Muslims unlike in Pakistan where they are a very significant proportion of the population. Both Mr Ansari and Mr Khan will become Presidents of India if they stay in politics. Theya re on the path to the highest position achievable under the Indian Constitution.
All of this information could be found by doing a simple Google search. There are far more Muslims who have contributed magnificently to making India what it is, but I think I have made my point. There are occasional problems (and some severe ones) in parts of India between the two major communities, but neither is the Indian Muslims' commitment to India nor is India's commitment to its Muslims wanting in any legal sense.
@ahmed: In the end India hates Pakistan, so forget your calculation. Stopping our river water, involved in terrorist activities in Balochistan and India being friends with TTP(just google it). So Mr.Ahmed(if that's your real name) could you just kindly stop your calculation.
only word which i can use here is absurd thoughts.i can nullify ur every point by 10 points.i think u should stop pretending to be specialist on pakistan as u r not efficient in manipulating facts-seemingly ur primary job here. most bizarre thing u said zardari is going to rectify our orientation.so much dose of absurdity. each sentence smells like this one.
@Seizure: in your mind which is a non-secular successful democracy? Could secularism not be a pre-condition for successful democracy?
@Ali Tanoli: what abt three presidents,current chief election commisioner,current Goc(army) of j & k,current vice president.now tell me a single hindu on the above mentioned posts in pakistan
@American: Sir, You made me chuckle, 'your government your military blah blah', in reality they are not ours they are there for themselves, maybe US government stopped giving their siblings 'covetted' internships or whatever, like most Pakistanis I am not privy to their business. We Pakistani are hardworking people who try to make something out of their lives, and basically we are on our own for last sixty years. Majority of Pakistanis will reject dole money, because it is unethical, we do not anyone's help, our children are healthy and intelligent we have a beautiful country, all we need is educational system which does not tell us to cheat, do business on dead bodies or make artificial markets. We need to develop our country brick by brick and sooner or later we will adopt a fair educational system. By the way it is misconception that Pakistanis hate none Muslims, you Americans developed a wonderful country and your people are well educated, good on you Sir.
Quantifying the breaking up of Pakistan with Jinnah's reasons is comparing apples and oranges. I'm pretty sure Jinnah knew what he was talking about.
Its very easy to blame the decades of military rule for the current mess, but the real question we should be asking ourselves is what have our politicians achieved when they have been in power?....aside from filling up their bank accounts with money from the state exchequer. Am I missing a long list of achievements worth 30 odd years?
Had every successive democratic government done enough to combat nepotism and corruption, there wouldn't have been a military government every leap year.
I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that Europe's success is due to its secularism. If anything its because of a sense of accountability and justice that has promoted a religious harmony.
@Ali Wali: Your government and military are unwilling or unable to "sort out this mess"...and they wont cooperate, but scream "sovereignty" when we try to sort it out ourselves. Short of direct rule, I don't see how we can fix this problem, when your elected government eats the money and nothing reaches the Pakistani people !
@Jpy: By asking for a country to be formed based purely on religion, Jinnah ha d already sown the seeds for Islamization of the country as the new country would find it most easy to base it's identity on religion in its journey in creating an identity of its own. The absence of any other components of substance other than religion only strengthened the religious identity even more along the way
@Ali Wali: There are very good reasons why not only Indians, but every one else is so interested in Pakistan....you are the source of a lot of trouble and worry to the rest of the world. Terrorists trained in Pakistan are blowing up and killing people elsewhere. You are essentially surviving on American Tax Payer's money...given to you directly or through IMF. Should we not be interested ?
This would be a great article if the Pakistani dream was to be Indian. No thanks
I wonder why so many Indians have opinion on every aspect of Pakistani life, while 99.9% Pakistanis have no interest in Indian society, oh yeah people like Indian cinema which is mostly fictional and very predictable, hero and herin wed in the end and they live happily ever after, silly billy.
@Vishwas Gokhale: Pls remember that there was a great degree of devolution of power in those days - individual kingdoms paid fief to the monarch, and relative comfort levels were defined by imposition of unjust levies, military campaigns or peaceful co-existence. Akbar certainly managed his reign in a secular fashion - he waged war on both Hindu and Muslim rulers with equal panache, and treated them alike (with grace) after humbling them on the battlefield. However, the system is too person-dependent (all this bonhomie died after Aurangzeb ascended to throne - less than 50 yrs after Akbar's death) and not suitable for these times for sure. Apart from secularism, another factor that Pakistan definitely needs is Panchayati raj.
Very couragious article, like Bangladesh we also need to rectify the crimes of our founding fathers & should make our country a secular state.our founding fathers commited acrime against humanity when they aimed to divide subcontinent on the basis of religion. We must rectify it as Bangladesh did it already, its our turn to do it now.
@Asif Nawaz: My friend, you have missed the forest, turn around. The fall of Dhaka, or the events leading up to it, were because West Pakistan thought that just Islam alone was enough to keep to disparate cultures united. Clearly that didn't work. If you focus on Islam at home and live secularly in the public space, you will work on other aspects that need to be sorted out, and probably would have worked out a more stable democratic system a lot earlier.
@Liberalache "How incredibly pretentious and undemocratic! I think you need not wonder why secularists are so disliked in Pakistan"
When Galileo looked through his telescope and wrote down what he saw, the christians wanted to torture him to recant. The Muslims would have slit his throat. Yes I am undemocratic, I rather trust my eyes rather agree with 180 million brain dead Pakistanis.
From last 60 years our successive governments have proven themselves as short sighted. Our biggest resource are humans, and our establishment failed to develop this resource. With our current colonial era, anti enquiry education system there is little chance of any improvement. On the other hand our neighbours especially Iran has developed it's education system brilliantly, according to some projections, if current trends in scientific research continued, in 2024 Iran will be single biggest contributor in scientific innovations.
Many people are comparing pakistan with India.. But they should understand that both are not comparable on secular front
Facts about India
President :- Hindu & Woman
PM:- Sikh
Vice President :- Muslim
Congress party chairman :- Christian & Woman
Speaker of parliament :- Women
Leader of opposition :- Woman
Chief minister of UP(larget state) :- Dalit woman
Defence minister :- Christian
Law minister :- Muslim
I see no hope for pakistan
First and foremost pakistanis must accept or deny that their country is ib deep trouble .once you accept their is a problem, only then do you look for solutions. A wrong diagnosis of the problem will give deeply painful and wrong results. Bangladesh is the result of such a wrong solution to a problem, the country never accepted. Secularism is not just about acceptance of diversity of religions, but diversity of ethnicities, language, cultures, food,, culture AND allowing it to all thrive without the state directing or forcing it's own values or thoughts. That is true freedom of choice. Aka Patel is absolutely correct in his assessment. When governments deal with a secular mindset, all resources are shared as per the desire of the people. Being anti India and competing with it, an economy GDP of USD 1.8 trillion makes zero sense. The army has reinforced Islam as the reason for the states creation and thus is usurping all resource of a small poor state. No wonder their is no education, healthcare and shortages of gas, power and transport. India is struggling as much, as was china in 1980. Both have changed their priorities to adapt to changing times. And both DO NOT allow religion to have any part in their decision making. Both may be competitors and adversaries, but it has not stopped the two neighbors to reach a USD 60 billion trade with each other. Pakistan is washing it's dirty linen daily in front of the world. It is embarrassing, and one hopes that things change for the better. Only being realistic, looking oneself in the mirror, and accepting reality will help go forward. Hoping Islam will help. ..MAybe.. But as it's said, God helps those who help themselves. All charity begins at home.
@Ali Tanoli:- my answer is that secularism in india has reslted in the followig - that with few exceptions the average muslim in india eats and lives better than HER counterpart in pakistan ( i chose her bcos im a woman myself )
Indian muslim presidents
Maulana Azad Zakir Hussain Fakruddin Ali Ahmed Abdul Kalam
and each of them completed there terms or until they died of natural causes. Maulana Azad and Abdul Kalam have been stalwart personalities.
However for Pakistan, the orientation of the state was damaged at inception itself by Jinnah's demand of a state based on religious identity. Think about it.
A non-secular society cannot be a just society. A state based on a particular religious philosophy cannot be a just state. Mr Patel has already listed how injustice is codified in the Pakistan constitution itself.
@SalSal:
My dear friend...and please kindly explain to me who will interpret the true tenets of Islam to the nation. Hasn't the nation in the past 60 plus years been fooled by those at the helm using religion and interpreting it in ways that suit them. The Taliban has its own interpretation of Islam and of a Islamic state. Who is to say if that's the right one? Keep politics and religion separate else there will always be crafty and unscrupulous people who will take the country for a ride. Keep religion out of politics and you can demand of the government to welfare of the people Rathaus keep that in focus rather than getting into an endless discussion of religious credentials which can get the country's eyes off the ball of focused development.
@Abid: Yiou ask why did Qaid want Pakistan - could it be his personal ambition ?, or because he was edged out by the Gandhi / Nehru combine (who were intolerant of any opposition) and so he went into opposition ?
I just read a piece on the Sunderbans where Hindus and Muslims together worship Bonbibi ,the Goddess of the forest,thanking her for the bounty she provided and praying for protection from the tiger. Religion should be just that.A beacon of faith and hope, a celebration of prayer and harbinger of peace.No God, in any form would condone what is happening in the name of religion.I am sure such harmony is found in many pockets of our sub-continent. There is much learning to be imbibed here for everyone...esp. for our all-knowing religious leaders.
Well written article and you are absolutely correct. Any society defining themselves in religious ideology will not move forward in the 21st century.
One has to give credit to Jinnah in that, he was never a religious bigot nor did he practice staunch Islam.
It is always worthwhile to remember every religion and its human peddlers have only brought hate, violence, war and destruction on humanity and enrich themselves by pouncing on feeble minded people. There is only one God, whatever you call God, there is only one religion, no ones religion is any better than anybody else's. It is all a lie promoted by eternal and mythical lies all over the world.
hope and radical reform as imran khan dreams is impossible. but so have every thing worth achieving been termed impossible by the nay sayers.
pakistan needs a hope. a dream. something worth the effort. status quo breeds on desperation and lack of hope. and that is what this article seeks to do. deprive of hope and perpetauate status quo of old established parties.
@sanaullah: we want islam in pakistan, islam and only islam.
What Pakistan requires is not secularism but Rule of Shaheshah Akabbar. Whatever you call it
It is here in Land of India he ruled. I do not know whether his rule was ever called secular or Muslim. But he was the ruler and everybody liked it. A hindu could happily sing their Bhajan even is his Durbar. A todarmal a Hindu could formulate agricultural laws which are being practiced even now.
I do not know if Akabbar was secular but but even the Hindu chieftains were happy to work under him.
@Iron hand:
Great thoughts dear. people in pakistan have argued that religion is not an isuue but "who will decide about the true nature of islam"
This is the problem with all religion.
Therefore it's better to be non-religious(not anti religious) state where everyone will have freedom to follow whatever they want.
@Dr A Khan: "Mr Patel, you are a smart and well-read man I think you really know that the success of the West is deeper than secularism. The intellectual revolution associated with the rise of the science in the key to rise of the west. These ideas challenge the core of Pakistan’s ideology. These ideas are too much for 99% of Pakistanis to digest. I am being deliberately vague only the cognoscente will understand what I mean."
How incredibly pretentious and undemocratic! I think you need not wonder why secularists are so disliked in Pakistan
@let there be peace Nice comment. Reading the comment os SalSal and people supporting his views it turns out that Europe is following good Islam while OIC contries following bad Islam. How ironic!
I can't be bothered to correct all factual mistakes in writer's column because that will take longer than his time to his own column but just couple of glaring mistakes needs to be pointed out for the benefit of some people in 'Reader's Comments' specially the ones who says "bring secularism...".
Please don't let anyone tell you that secularism is the key to Europe's success. Today when Europe is struggling against rise of China and before that against America, they keep on coming back to one thing missing from their societies and that is lack of PROTESTANT WORK ETHICS. in other words societies with greater individual religious ethics develop quicker and higher than the ones without them.
Economists like Niall Ferguson (people who watch Fareed Zakaria's GPS, another indian who agrees with Niall, will be familiar with him) has proven the link in almost all European countries between decreasing church attendance and lack of economic progress. Germany is proving the point more than any other that while rest of Europe is struggling Germany is in fourth gear because religion (Protestant) is still part of their economic welfare state as all Germans have to pay Church Tax just like any other tax from their income. This is just one example their are many many more examples of that.
Just clearing the point about secular China, that Niall believes that until Chinese didn't get the Protestant Work Ethics in their lives they were a sleeping giant. But now attendance to religious gathering is increasing many fold corelating to China's progress.
and who said Islamic welfare state doesn't take care of non-Muslim sir? where did u read it? NOW this is exactly what our problem is. we talk and argue and try to force others into a conclusion that makes no-sense at all. no offense Mr. Patel,you seem quite informed and learned, but my intention is to point out the problems that you are inviting by assuming/concluding that Pakistan will only become a welfare state if it em-brasses secularism.
I beg to differ.. what was the first ever welfare state/age again? wasn't it the khilafat age? were they secure? agreed, problems were short n manageable at that time. agreed people were not so much polarized by then. agreed there were not issues such as energy crisis etc. BUT having said it all it is an established fact that an Islamic-state can definitely be a welfare state.
i partly agree that its about educating the people and working on the mindset before we achieve our target. BUT its the same nation, mind you, who em-brasses the concept of "AKHOWAT" when it matters ( flood victims, fund raising) and also "ESAAR" mind i point towards the Ansar-e-madina who gave HALF of their possession to those who migrated from Makkah ( it did happen in Pakistan as well. IDPs...i saw it happening in most parts of KPK, lets not argue about what media show us.media can be baised)...
finally i must appreciate you for the nice piece. we may agree or disagree but the fact that its a nicely written article should be appreciated. keep them coming :-)
I don't agree with the writer.
Now, if I was Zaid Hamid, I would call this a conspiracy by 'paleet hindu' to destabilize the great foundations of Pakistan, laid not in 47, but when Mohd Bin Qasim first rode into Sindh to end the rule of effete Maharajas.
And, you know, 98% of our population will applaud me for saying that. They will bay for your blood. How dare you question the article 277 - you 'hindu'?
The remaining 1.5% will see some merit in your argument but will contend that the problem isn't with religion, per se, its with the implementation of its laws. Since Islam is a complete way of life, the solution to our problems is only in the unquestioning embrace of its system.
Only 0.5% actually understand secularism is the only way out, but they also know they will never get it. This state was based on the antithesis of secularism - do you really think its possible to 'change the culture' after 68 years of vile indoctrination?
You should thank your lucky stars for the Partition - imagine if this mess was playing out in India?
@SalSal
If what you are saying is really what you believe is islamic rule, you should be furious with talibans becuase what they are claiming as islamic rule is totally opposite to what you are saying. Protection of minorities is last concern of any of the islamic country at present (from malysia to saudi arebia)
@Abid: You have misinterrupted Quaid E Azam's version of Pakistan. He has created Pakistan not as an islamic state. He created Pakistan as a homeland for the muslims of the Subcontinent so that they can develop & Prosper. A state where they will be majority so that they will be the ones who will rule themselves than the Hindu majority. That doesnt means he aspired for an islamic state otherwise he should have named Pakistan as Islamic Republic of Pakistan at the time of its birth itself. Understand the history properly
Very thoughtful article. Pakistan can never make any progress utill it stops mixing religion with politics. But People who matter has so far not dared to condemn the murderer Qadri leave alone secular state
Imran and Jinnah have not made Pakistan what it is. The citizens are solely responsible for making the country what it is. Rulers cannot be blamed because rulers are only a sub set of the population. If citizens love Guns and those who wield them, there is no point complaining when excessive violence claims lives. Failure to see the truth and take corrective action is the sole reason for the global community calling it an International migraine. Wake Up !
I thing what Sal Sal pointed out is the essence of everything. Secularism is not our issue. Islam is a complete religion in itself and if it is implemented in true letter and spirit, there will be no problem in Pakistan. Our orientation is right but we need to enforce true Islam within our society.
@Ali tanoli sir it seems you do not understand democracy and you totally missed the writer's point england did not have a muslim or indian as PM because they are not in majority but in england the laws do not stop a muslim from becoming a PM while in pakistan there are articles in the constitution which stop a Rana Bhagwandas or a Dr Abdus Salam from becoming President and PM but will let a Hafiz Saeed or Hakim Ullah Mehsud to hold any of the two offices.
@SalSal: Europe’s welfare states were built on the welfare system of Islamic law. LOL. Classic Islamic logic. Leaves others speechless and then you can shout 'see, I won the debate.' . There is no country in the world which follows Islamic law properly, not even Saudi Arabia. The reason why we are suffering is because we aren't following Islamic law properly.
Sir, all the ancestors of Muslims who converted to Islam (except those who converted under threat or for temptation of power) were told that non-Muslims did not follow and misinterpreted their prophets and Islam is the true final and easy to understand way of life and will make their lives better. And now you are telling us not even a single Islamic nation follows right path but only some non-Muslim countries do? Saudi Arabia, Iran and Taliban era Afghanistan are examples of almost pure Islamic Societies. The only difference between them is that Afghanistan did not have oil (i.e. easy money earned without any work).
I wonder why Quaid e Azam created Pakistan if he wanted a secular state. He should have easily asked for a common secular state with the Hindus. Why so much bloodshed ? why so much hardships? Why he asked for a seperate homeland for musalmans? Why , why , why??? Read history please!
Since you've so lovingly touched upon the fall of Dhaka, it was issues like language, nepotism, economic disparity and corruption that the country broke. Not because we weren't secular!
I agree with the core point of the article. Our uneducated and illeterate population needed nothing more to worry about than religion and to be ruled on the basis of religion. I believe once we settled with ourself to be rulled on the basis of religion we moved on to other discriminating factors of sects. Then sects within the sects. What we lost their somewhere in the middle was, a generation that would care for the generation to come next. A generation that would realize the problems of being ruled on the basis of religion rather humanity. Ofcourse islam is the most beautiful religion for the humans but the religion itself instructs to educate. so that they may understand the true benefits and meaning of the religion. Not even a single generation cares for the generation that has to come. The Quaid cared and gave us muslims of the subcontinent the freedom. We just care for the survival of ourself and that is it!
@Ali tanoli and Gurpreet...
And India has had Christian Defence Ministers under BJP(George fernandes) as well as Congress (Anthony).... The chief brigadier of Indian Army in Kashmir is also a Muslim that too a Kashmiri.....Bollywood itself is the biggest proof of Hindu tolerance...Majority of Hindus, I bet more than 90% of them dont even think in a communal way, cause all Hindu Holy Books preach that God is in every atom (animal, human, rivers, mountains, tree, stones etc) and Gid cannot be realizd unless every atom is worshipped(loved).....
@No BS: Really !! i dont have gas and electricity because my state is not secular??? I have 15% inflation and zero growth in income because of my state not being secular??
Answers:
Yes YesStop hating and killing every one who disagrees with your ideology and start working on securing reliable, renewable source of energy for your self and your future generations. Gas and electricity are not produced by wasting the resources on judging on the faith of others, while sitting in front of a mirror appreciating how pure you are!
@dr ajmal: If army's takeover of the government is justified because of the "failure" of the politicians, then how will you defend the dismal record of the army. It has not won any wars since independence and was caught sleeping during OBL raid. Why army's record is not under scrutiny here in spite of cornering 3/4th of the budget?
Pakistan's army controls power through proxies: hapless civilians for internal affairs and has tribal mercenaries do its dirty work in the neighboring countries. When things go wrong blame it on the clueless. How wonderful?
the issue rightly raised, if u just replace secularism with 'tolerance', and an islami falahi riyasat can exist.. we need to rationally understand the gist of islam first
@adil: You really think that our problem is that we are not secular ?? We dont have gas, electricity, poor administration and corruption etc. because we are not secular..
You don't have gas, electricity, and have poor administration and corruption because you lives are consumed in self-worship and hatred for every on else who disagrees with you. You think you are not Islamic enough and therefore becoming more Islamic will solve your problems.
Get out of your delusion now before the country is devoured by the self-righteous mindset. Learn to live and let live.
Since corruption,nepotism and black-marketing are not Pakistan's real problems,secularism is not exception either.
since corruption,nepotism and blackmarketing are not Pakistan's responsible problems for current conditions,it is not even secularism.
@Mannan wriote: If u ever study the “Golden Age of Khilafat of Sahabi’s” then u wouldn’t write this article.
If you ever understood the true spirit of Islam, you would realize that the golden age of Khilafat of Sahabi was based on a role model secular ideology.
@Ali Tanoli: UK has good number of MPs of India and Pakistani origin. There is not a capable person of Indian/Pakistani origin who could be a Prime Minister of England. Pakistan's record on minorities is not praiseworthy. India is not an angel. We live in a Global Village..and in a village brothers always fight. Pakistan Paindabad...India Jai Ho..
Dear all,india is a hypocrite country,u so called secular minded people don't understand. in pakistan population of hindus is around 1 %,even bagwan das become chief justice,yes we are not secular but we have our own flahi raisati system,it is our bad luck that our leadership is corrupt,otherwise hazzart ummer was not a secular, And if u really want to know the real face of indian politics go and study abdul kalam azad autobiography,especillay
@Ali Tanoli: India has had two Mulsim Presidents and a number of muslim vice presidents and chairman of senate etc. Current PM is a Sikh and current leader of largest party which is currently governning is a Christian. We have had many brigadiers and major generals and Lt Generals even whom were muslims.
Any Hindu or Christian presidents or PMs in any islamic country ?
As per the consitution (Article 25) Muslims and Christians are allowed to preach thier religion is schools, Hindus are not. Muslims and Christians schools and religious institutions, where preaching of religion is allowed, also have earmarked funding from government, while the constitution prohibits government from funding any hindu organization. And the funds given are very substantial - and swallowed up entirely by the hereditary muslim elite who then claim that the government discriminates and incites muslims. THis is one of the main greviances of the BJP and what it terms as psuedo secularism.
@ american @ patel Being truthful is pure. Being honest is pure. Being just is pure Giving 'Zakat" so no child goes to bed hungry, is pure, That is any child in need not just Muslim child. Judge of purity is Muslim's conscience provided he is sincere in his faith.
@Ali Tanoli: That's a silly argument. The constitution does not stop a Muslim or any body who is an Indian to become a PM or the chief of the armed forces. We have had presidents who were Muslims, Sikhs. India's current PM is a Sikh. The point is that constitution does not discriminate on the basis of religion which is not the case in Pakistan.
Again, a very simplistic view of a complex situation. What about provincial ethnicies and how they play in the Pakistan state?
Dear, you are absolutely right. Infact, the APML used religion for political goals and this was a gross mistake. Now we have been living in a society of religious bigots who just love killling. Our intelligentsia is, by and large, biased and blinkered. We profess that Islam is our religiion but in reality, hatred and negativity are our faith. Reorientation of our basic ideolgy is the solution!!!!
Some typos correct in previous post
Firstly - ridiculous to call India one of the most bigoted states. NO basis of that claim and only a Paki can say it. What about Saudi ? - when indians go there our books are snatched before our eyes at immigration and torn (if someone did that to the Holy Koran what would you do), and our idols are broken - this is as per written immigration policy. The Roman Catholic Church still considers us " a nation in darkness". Bigoted ? We are the only nation that gave shelter to the Zorastrians (called Parsee - Tata is from there). We are the only nation in the world officially recogonized by Israel to have never ever persecuted jews. Sure we have idiots like Sadhavi and goons like Thakray, but calling us "most" bigoted only exposes your own blind hatred. Modi may have won in Gujarat (and 55% voted against him) but thanks to his progrom BJP lost everywhere else. India Shining - BJP's finest hour - became its darkest.
And this blind hatred is the real problem. Pakistan was born because they could not live with fellow humans from a different religion in a numerical inferiority. This was why the muslim delegation to the Viceroy in Simla (1906 ?) asked for "weightwage" amd not "weightage" for defining commmunal electorates. Secularism is a panacea only to the extent is solves this hatred. Otherwise there will still be large spending on defense, no reforms to landowning, and a poor polity. As far as corruption is concerned - I remember Indira Gandhi's comment when question about corruption in India she said "corruption is not a phenomenon that is endemic to India alone". Same for Pakistan. Do you think China and Japan do not have it ?
Zardari and the PPP believes in secularism. BB's stance on Taliban? Zardari's stance on all of Pakistan's proxies? Jaish? Sipah? Zardari's alliance with JUI F? Yes the PPP is the way to a secular state. Liberals and secularists really don't know what either term means. They would like to perpetuate kleptocracies because they don't affect their standard of living.
@SalSal Taliban's interpretation of Sharia and Islamic laws might interest you.
In its true essence and spirit an islamic welfare state is no different from a secular state..... since islam is based on the universal concepts of humanity.
"Supreme Court’s opinion this week that Prime Minister Gilani may not be a good enough Muslim to hold office" - 'Muslim'!! Oh My God!!! Is that really a statement from the Supreme court!? And you call Pakistan a democracy. Oh, Sorry.. a military democracy? Oh, Sorry.. a democratic dictatorship. Oh Sorry, dictatorial democracy.. Wrong again!! There so much confusion.... There should be some sort of a government. Come on... Even tribal folk have certain laws to follow - 'Religiously'!!
I am absolutely certain that Imran Khan appreciates that secularism gave rise to Europe's success. He studied Politics, Philosophy and Economics at Oxford - a key conclusion in contemporary Western philosophy is the separation of the Church and State. He definitely studied that at university, and must have reflected on this during his life in Britain and his travels abroad. His take on this issue is different because you simply cannot impose secularism on a population as polarised and dogmatic as that of Pakistan. In theory, your suggestions make perfect sense, but given the complex dynamics of Pakistani society, these changes cannot happen overnight.
What Imran Khan can do is build a welfare state based on Islamic principles that are universal - as you have cited in your article. Next, changes and reforms in the education system and increased economic opportunities will rebalance Pakistan's zealously religious populace. It is the education system of this country that needs to be tackled. The Private School, LUMUN-attending kids will appreciate your article a lot more than children who were schooled in a rural village. You have given the example of the West, and of India. India is among the most religious societies in the world.
The dogma one sees in Pakistan is present in India too, but the Indians aren't confronted with a war on their borders, a tattered economy and widespread militancy. These factors make people more desperate, more religious - like cornered animals, people will lash out indiscriminately.
Imran Khan's models (in his speeches) are Scandinavia, Singapore and Turkey - all secular countries. He has no intention of imposing a theocracy, but of perpetuating Islamic principles. Remember, that apart from separating religion from the state, each and every guiding principle in the West is borrowed from Christianity.
Nevertheless, I concede that a more tolerant, progressive Pakistan is needed, that people stop being so overtly and superficially religious and start acting on principles rather than aping the Arabs. A cowl doesn't make the monk, much as the beard or the hijab don't make you pure. At least let Pakistanis experience the deeper spirituality in Islam - I haven't seen more confused Muslims than the Pakistanis, so staunchly religious, yet so disappointingly shallow.
@NO BS who says "Really !! i dont have gas and electricity because my state is not secular??? I have 15% inflation and zero growth in income because of my state not being secular??"
ABSOLUTELY, YES.
here's how it works...you don't have gas/electricity/economy because you are not developing revenues and the know-how to get all these things. You need investment for revenue and you need a good solid education system for technology.
You don't have both because your society is in turmoil because of nonsecular practices (decades of!) and nonsecular education.
The fact that you are asking such basic questions proves how your nonsecular education system has completely failed you.
@ The Author:
"India has one of the world’s most bigoted societies, true" - Now, that my dear is coming simply and straight out of hatred. Funnily enough you go on to counter yourself with the following statements: 1) India’s secular constitution is accepted by all its parties, right, centre and left. Even the BJP insists on secularism. 2) it has outstanding laws and a constitution as good as if not better than any in Europe. The state is aligned correctly, the orientation is right. bigoted societies, true"
I find it odd how ultra liberals give these lectures about Jinnah's Pakistan as if that's going to convince any believing Muslim to abandon the Quran when it says, "those who do not judge according to this book......" Give up people...go to Canada or the UK, you're not going to get secularism here!
@Ali Tanoli
And how about 4 Muslim Presidents that India has had? And do you know who General Syed Ata Hasnain is? I prefer that you find out on your own.Just Google the name.
Now coming to your question, 'What Secularism did good...'? Look at yourself. You are sitting in the USA and are critical of not only US policies but the values and religious practices of the US citizens. Now imagine yourself in Saudi Arabia and imagine being critical of the Government and their religion. Got your answer?
As I have recommended earlier- READ.
@Al Tanoli
Secularism does not mean to offer the post of PM to a Muslim based on religion. PM post is based on capability and the election of many MP's of that political party. No reservation on the basis of religion in turn. Mr. Manmohan Singh was elected as PM of India not because of secular credentials but because of his worth as an Indian economist.
Europe is bankrupt. The idea of a welfare state is a utopian fantasy. Please stick to free markets. No one, I repeat, no one is smarter than the market. Please find other places (Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia) to look up to. Europe is history thanks only to welfare. Best, Rehan
@Ali Tanoli: India has had a muslim President and currently has a Sikh prime ministers, both of which belong to minority communities.
@Ali Tanoli: No, Muslims have not been prime ministers in India, but they have been presidents, generals, supreme court chief justices, chief election commissioners, and so on. Also we have had Muslims in highly placed cabinet positions. I agree many Muslims live below the poverty linr, but so do many, many more Hindus. India is not a perfect country but we are trying very hard to get there. The good news is that we have hopes that we will get there, if not in our life time, then at least during our children's lifetimes. Unfortunately, some Pakistanis I speak to don't share the same hope for their country. I feel that a happy and peaceful India can exist only if the same conditions prevail in your great country too. Imran Khan has millions of fans in India. We hope that he will be able to start your country's journey toward self fulfillment. It's an impossible ask for him to do it in a term or two, but we pray that he will be able to begin the process.
@Sarfaraz: Could you please give us an example of one such state in history?
@Ali Tanoli: Heard of Idris Hassan Latif? He was the Air Chief of India.
While the analysis is true and is the underlying cause of all the perils of PAK, one should bear in mind the contractions in Jinnah's philosophy as well. It is true that Jinnah's vision for PAK was a secular state but it was within the Islamic framework which is an antithesis for secularism. If PAK really wanted secularism, there was no need for partition of India.
Theocracy is the foundation and justification of Pakistan. In theocracy there are no atheists, let alone apostates.
Europe during the middle ages experimented with theocracy and traded it for secularism which brought them out of dark ages. China and India and SE Asia since time immemorial were secular monarchy but the civilizations went down hill with internal decadence when one religious factions and religious monarchy tried to dominate the other ie: Buddhists, Jain, Vishnavite, Shivites.
The re- arrival of Secularism to Asia brought in by Colonial conquest and trade awakened Asia and the nations which took secularism as the basis for their modern government is moving forward.
Unfortunately, when Asia was reawakening from theocratic decadence to secularism, Pakistan was created based on Religious distinction. Abandoning that distinction essentially means acknowledging that experiment on Pakistan is a failure. Bangladesh accepted this gracefully and moved on.
Will secularism come to PAK? Yes, after a major civil war and revolution as it had been in every country in the world. Until then, the present turmoil in PAK will continue, and fierce arguments on who is a better Muslim and who is not a Muslim will lead them in the path of decay, as it happened between Buddhists and Hindus, Hindus and Jains, Roman Catholics and Orthodox Catholics, and between Catholics and Protestants.
@Ali Tanoli:
In India anyone can become the chief of the armed forces or the prime minister provided he or she makes the cut. Being Hindu or Muslim or Christian has no role to play. Can you say the same thing about Pakistan? If your not Muslim you can't be anywhere near becoming the president or prime minister or the COAS leave alone any other middle level positions.
From day one the very Qibla of this country was wrong.
Army is dominant because civillian leaders hv been a big big failure,always. They cant undermine the dominent army because after a few months in govt, people lose their trust in them, and become ready to distribute sweets when army comes to topple them. Only a fair leader, free of corruption and dishonesty can end the army power, using his public support, and so far we hv never been lucky to hv one in power. So yess, indirectly corruption is the cause of the problem which you are pointing at.All of u know the example of turkey, which had the most powerful army in the world, but upright urdagan sent all those mighty generals home, bec he is fair and has public support.
What a spot on analysis Mr Patel. I assure you when we settle our clumsiness in running a govt. This question will have to be answered...Perhaps in my lifetime
When was the last time the civilian government actually did its job. You are being naive if you think the civilians have not been given there chance and each time it has been a disaster. Under military rulers pakistan had grown more than any civilian could ever dream of. It has been 4 years under this civilian govt and no work has even started on any power plants, meanwhile the country is turning into a black hole. Normalising trade with India wouldn't benefit Pakistan all that much. Pakistan must get its own house in order first exactly what Imran talks about.
For ideas like Secularism and egalitarianism to take roots among the masses, they need to be educated and for the education to disseminate fully, the fast shrinking fiscal and administrative space due to corruption, nepotism and peculation must be arrested and expanded. There are simply no funds to invest on the populace and whatever available is siphoned off in massive graft and corrosion. And before anyone argues for a slash in army budget to produce this money, it would be worthwhile to note that with such chronically corrupt political structure it does not matter how much funds you pump in as they would be gladly gleaned and squirrelled away in the Swiss accounts. Therefore, the need of the hour is to exterminate corruption, introduce reforms in tax collection and invest in masses. Imran is on the right track to tackle all this in a well-conceived order.
Completely Disagree, Secularism wont resolve anything, You need honesty and competence
One more thing...this is Imran Khan's statement from yesterday on what he calls an Islamic welfare state (published in Dawn)... "If you ask me today what is closest to that ideal, I would say the Scandinavian countries,” Khan said, praising them for their “humane society, where there is rule of law, a society that looks after its weak, its handicapped”.
@No BS: Actually you are more right than you realize. Secularism enforced 30 years 'could' have brought you prosperity today. Islamization had no a chance at all, and will have none in future. Purity is a mirage. How pure is pure ? and who will be the judge of religious purity ?
On a side note, this is one of the funniest statements I have seen to date..."Zardari is a better leader than Imran because he understands the problem."
This seems to suggest that don't worry if you are dying of hunger, thirst, disease or lack of amenities, just uphold the banner for 'secularism' and our most favorite 'democracy'
There continue to be 2 logical blind spots in your thesis: one, what makes any country including Pakistan a security state, second, what is the route to this proposed 'secularism' ; countries are not machines that can be changed like a switch...it requires a lot of vision, strategy, political tact, and commitment.
@Ali Tanoli No countries are perfect but what makes the difference is their continuous struggle to achieve that perfectness. Being in denial and waiting till you find a perfect/purest example will not help. You need to make a beginning in the right direction. Do you in Pakistan want to wait and continue your policies till the Brits or Indians have a Muslim Prime Minister?
England, India etc might not be perfect but they have excellent record so far compared to any Islamic countries (not that because they are Islamic, but because of the wrong foundations).
The excellent paragraph in the article says it all,
India has one of the world’s most bigoted societies, true. But it has outstanding laws and a constitution as good as if not better than any in Europe. The state is aligned correctly, the orientation is right. In such conditions, progress is possible and despair is held at bay.
It is too simplistic to say secularism is cure of all ills. . Islamic welfare state is a great concept, it has been tried, tested and proven successful in Islamic societies of the past where Muslims, non-Muslims prospered side by side. One should read some history about Islamic culture before commenting especially Muslim Spain. Jews preferred living there compared to Christian Europe. I believe in an Islamic welfare state where minorities and women are given their full rights and fully protected.
Linking Terrorism , economic crisis to Pakistan's wrong alignment is a logical fallacy. In truth, all of these problems emerged because Pakistan became a victim of its prized Geo-political position. In the small amount of time it has existed, it has had to deal with World Powers and Super Powers from all four sides. However, I do believe proper history should be taught to the young in their schools so can pride themselves in how rich their culture, traditions and blood is with or without religion which dates far back as the Gandhara civilization. People who laid the seeds for humanity's progression.
@No BS: Yes, it is. You may want to sound ironic, but that is the exact reason why you have all the problem.
According to my view, the extent to which India and Pakistan can come together on different issues also depends on how Indian political and military establishment plays their game. Congress’s record on efforts to bridge the gap between the two countries seems better than any other major political party in India. But the Indian military establishment is also powerful and may have reservations about any thaw in bilateral relations between the two countries. But the Indian generals are not powerful enough to dictate their terms openly vis-à-vis relations with Pakistan. India is a rising global power with sky-rocketing ambitions. India should realize that better relations with Pakistan will simply multiply its efforts to become a truly global power. The Indian ruling elite should openly strengthen the hands of moderate political forces in Pakistan who want genuine friendship with India. I think that India is a far bigger country in every respect and should have a far bigger heart when it comes to dealing with the “spoiled child” of South Asia.
We are dying of hunger and our “smart military types” are throwing cash to buy war-toys. No amount of external fortification of the country can save it if it is internally hollow. Thousands of nuclear warheads and hydrogen bombs could not save USSR when it went bankrupt economically and morally. Nations are built by the aspirations of common men and nations are developed, sustained and defended by common men rather than by sophisticated toys. Let’s openly accept that we can’t compete with India as far as purchasing new sophisticated military hardware is concerned. Indian economy is growing at almost 10 percent as compared to ours limping at barely 2 percents. In absolute terms, the size of the Indian economy is more than 1 trillion (1000 billion dollars) dollars as compared to ours at 170 billion dollars. They can afford to buy those hi-tech toys. We should rather invest our meager resources in deterrence only. If we embark on an arms race with India, it will leave our country in a tail-spin just like a falling jet and we would soon bankrupt. It defies my logic how a country which is eying for a multi-billion dollars loan program with IMF for the second time in less than three years can splurge such gigantic amounts on war toys. Some of our right-wingers and generals are so ambitious that they are dreaming to rule the world as the sole super-power (with a 170 billion dollars economy growing limpingly at 2 percents and which has been admitted in the Intensive Care Unit of the IMF for the last three and half years waiting for a second round of surgery)
Sorry to say but this article is totally out of context and absurd. 1. Europe's success has nothing to do with secularism. In fact their success lies in democracy and a strict accountability system to deal with corrupt politicians like Zardari, who you believe is helping to 'normalize' the situation. 2. The concept of an 'Islamic Welfare State' is to provide not just equal rights, but more rights to the minority, that is what Islam teaches. The dictatorial Islamic regimes around the world are not the right examples to relate Imran's state concept.
No one can change us, unless we want to. Nazariya Pakistan is deeply rooted in our national psyche, ethos and social fabric. Outsiders cannot neither intimidate nor convince us. They neither have enough bombs nor aid. We can argue about the Army, Mullahs and the civilians. But what we do not want to debate is our deep religious and paranoid outlook. It gives enough cover to the "establishment". We are convinced that we are Islam"s soldiers, the world is against us and we are do nothing wrong. We are self righteous and remain committed to impose on us (and the world) a "pure" past that never existed to be truthful. As a result, do not expect a tolerant society that is at peace with itself. For Pakistan to settle down, it has to come to peace with itself first. If that happens, peace will come.
Our history, Pakistan's basis in Islamic ideology and our military establishment's need to dominate the country's politics tend to create an environment in which our military-types in GHQ find it easier to present India as main threat to Pakistan and its future. This obsession with India tips the balance of power in favor of the generals at the expense of civilian leadership which further strengthens the establishment. The generals also support the rightist political forces so as to not only ensure their tight grip on the politics but also keep main political forces (read PML-N and PPP) at bay. This is the game our generals are extremely good at. This is how they divide and rule and this is the tactic which they learned from their old masters.
@ No BS
yes, its cause the state is not secular. Religion is a tool, its always been used by those in power to oppress. Our country has been in military control thanks to their manipulation of our ideology by using religion as an excuse for justifying our 'perpetual enmity with HINDU India'. Uneducated masses know only the language of religion, and by mixing religion into the state, the 'establishment' has managed to concentrate power into its own hands plunder this country since inception, leading to all our present day problems. If the state were secular with no real ideology, no one institution would be able to dominate the whole country, concentrate power and abuse it.
piety HAS brought us here, where a matric-fail Maulana is considered more 'educated; and influential than a PhD scholar.
@sanaullah: its you who wants secularism not WE! This country is Islamic Republic but hasnt been operating that way, no wonder you are familiar with what does it mean otherwise you would never ask for secularism.
Thank you for letting us know what is our problem :). I admire your courage to act like an authority on Pakistani society without living here for reasonable time. BTW you are wrong
Without any question the most orientalist Op-Ed ever published by the Tribune. No BS makes a rather great comment.
Pakistan's perennial problems have nothing to do with the official name of the state. What Pakistan needs is exactly that. We have seen how forced secularism failed in Iran (under the Pahlevis), in Egypt in Algeria. Why are those states not hyper powers. Pakistan is a resource poor and highly populated country which needs to get wise with economic management so that the limited resources are used in the best possible way!
What an excellent article! What an accurate diagnosis of the deep malaise Pakistan now finds itself afflected with! Pakistan can never develop as a normal and dynamic country until it gets rid of its obsession with India. Military has vested interests in portraying India as consequential threat so that its hefty budgets (which are unjustified given the dire economic conditions of the country) keep flowing down the lane uninterruptedly. The rightist political forces in Pakistan have their own reasons to fan anti-India sentiments with a view to keeping their political capital intact. India has a GDP which is more than 10 times Pakistan's GDP. They can afford to buy latest weapons, aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines etc. Our already heavy military budgets are crippling our development and society.
Please don't compare Imran with Jinnah/
Well done Aakar Ji !!!
If funding share for the military is reduced then we will have resources for energy and education and this will change the mindset in the country. But this requires a secularisation of Pakistan.
@No BS You totally missed the point bro. You know how panoramas are taken by stepping back until you have the full picture in view, that's what needed for pakistan. We have to find the cause not the consequence to fix these problems at root. We need to step back till we get to years of independence (both 47 and 71) and identify the flaws with an open mind. Just like steve jobs said, you can only connect the dots looking backward . We just need to do the same thing.
State doesn't need to be secular, state needs to be just and I think that's all. It might seem the west is progressive today because of secularism, but just add injustice to that mix of secularism you'll have a society so destroyed like you've never seen. I am not arguing in favor of religion or Islam, I am just arguing against the perception of secularism being the answer to all evils that the dictators and puppets are doing around the world today.
@Patel Indians are living in England since 1930 and not yet any prime minister come out it its a secular state with law any body can be prime minister.???? In india we never seen any chief of armed forced is muslim or prime minister is muslim even though muslims were supporter of congres since 1947 and also die hard???? and what secularism did good for untouchables and muslims >>>???? we know how others got devolped on resources of poors.
Europe's welfare states were built on the welfare system of Islamic law. In Islamic law no matter you are muslim or not, the state has to take care of you, widows, unemployed etc Muslims are ordered by Islam to take care of non Muslims and their religious places of worship. That's why when Salahuddin Al Ayyubi conquered back Palestine from the Christians, he let the Jews come and visit their places, which was not allowed by the Christians when they ruled, as they kicked the Jews out of Palestine. At one point of time, even the Jews fought alongside Muslims to defeat the Christians because the Islamic state of the Muslims was beneficial to the Jews. There is no country in the world which follows Islamic law properly, not even Saudi Arabia. Stop blaming Pakistan's ideology for it's weaknesses. The reason why we are suffering is because we aren't following Islamic law properly. There is racism due to ethnicity and inability of the leaders to provide equality for people. You don't see Christians and Hindus causing bomb blasts. You see people of different ethnicity fighting with each other. The Shia Sunni hatred is because Muslim Pakistanis are not following Islam which tells Muslims to stay united. Pakistan was made in the name of Islam. If you take out Islam from Pakistan then there is no reason for Pakistan to exist.
I beg to disagree on some of your points. I understand that other democracies are successful because of their secular constitution. But an Islamic welfare state would not discriminate on the basis of religion, (that's the general idea). I think you have mistaken Pakistan as it is right now with an Islamic welfare state already? That's not the case. Whether you call a non-discriminating state 'secular' or any thing, an Islamic state would not discriminate on the basis of religion, and that's the idea.
Mr Patel, you are a smart and well-read man I think you really know that the success of the West is deeper than secularism. The intellectual revolution associated with the rise of the science in the key to rise of the west. These ideas challenge the core of Pakistan's ideology. These ideas are too much for 99% of Pakistanis to digest. I am being deliberately vague only the cognoscente will understand what I mean.
Really !! i dont have gas and electricity because my state is not secular??? I have 15% inflation and zero growth in income because of my state not being secular??
Imran doesnt believe that those three things are the only problem. He believes those things are a base that all other problems build on. So tackling corruption will be a big step in moving toward a tolerant state. If people can not understand that, too bad....his poing of view is really not that hard to understand
Imran Khan has nobel aims but they are hopelessly impractical. Unemployment benefits, for example, will lead to huge corruption. Case in point, look at the so called unemployed Pakistanis residing in the UK.
And where will we get the money to pay for unemployment benefits. When we reach the standard of living of Sweden we can try Scandinavian social social insurance.
Imran Khan has nobel aims but they are hopelessly impractical. Unemployment benefits, for example, will lead to huge corruption. Case in point, look at the so called unemployed Pakistanis residing in the UK.
And where will we get the money to pay for unemployment benefits. When we reach the standard of living of Sweden we can try Scandinavian social social insurance.
Excellent piece - spot on. Actually, the right and the left wing that has divided us and recent IK views have been quite disturbing. I hope he understands what is required for the betterment of Pakistan.
when pakistan was made it was the 'republic of pakistan',it was only later on that it was under pressure changed to ''islamic republic of pakistan'.the founding father of pakistan never kept its present name.
we want secularism in pakistan...........................