Open letter to My Lord the Chief Justice

Published: December 15, 2011
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The writer is a columnist, a former major of the Pakistan Army and served as press secretary to Benazir Bhutto

The writer is a columnist, a former major of the Pakistan Army and served as press secretary to Benazir Bhutto

My Lord,

I have said some of this before but given where the country is headed, it bears saying again.

I address this letter to you as a senior citizen, but more than that as a humble servant of Pakistan and of the honourable court over which you preside. I write this letter to you as one who stood outside the Supreme Court and marched on the streets of Islamabad, Rawalpindi and Lahore in the company of my family and friends and fellow travellers, for close to 18 months, demanding the restoration of the judiciary and for the re-establishment of the Rule of Law.

Let me say at the very outset that had it not been for the raw courage with which you stood up to a uniformed army dictator; or for the leaders of the Lawyers Movement, people like Aitzaz Ahsan and Munir Malik and Asma Jehangir and Athar Minallah (not to forget the inimitable and feisty Ghazala Minallah!) to name a few, we the members of civil society may never have come out to protest.

Some days there were only eight or 10 of us, My Lord, what we called the ‘usual suspects’, with more than twice our number watching us: the dictatorship’s goons, taking close-up pictures and making videos of us to unnerve us; some taking notes, others glued to their mobile telephones and walkie-talkies to show us they were making reports for and to the fearsome ‘agencies’.

We were tear-gassed and lathi-charged, our children with us who, choking on tear gas, would ask, “Why are they hitting us, Abba, we are not doing anything bad?” We were out there, My Lord, demanding that you and your brother judges and your families be released from the house arrest under which you and your children were placed. We wrote in the press, agitated the foreign media, did umpteen interviews in your support and generally did all in our little power to face down the dictatorship in civilian garb (and its helpers among the lawyers too, kindly note).

Some days we were forlorn, especially when there were so few of us and the supporters of the dictator, our tormentors, would drive slowly by the Supreme Court steps, where we would be standing in protest, and shout abuse at us and laughingly point out the little numbers that had turned out that day. But we persevered, including my family and I, at least three days a week, despite the fact that we lived in Wah Village and had to bring the child home in good time for homework and rest before another school day.

One cold winter night, we stood for hours outside the Secretariat Police Station in Islamabad to get some of the children, 17 to 20 years old, released from custody. The police had overstepped the normal methods of crowd control that day and had brutally beaten up some youngsters who retaliated, injuring a policeman and an officer slightly.

And then the elections came and the National Assembly met and, as his first act, the newly elected prime minister announced your and your brother judges’ release from house arrest, and we rushed to the Judges Enclave and marvelled at the power of parliament. Remember sir, that the army dictator was still the so-called ‘president’, still armed with 58/2-B. Yet, inside of an hour, all the encumbrances to your residences: the barbed wire across the roads, the barriers, the rocks, the sandbags had all disappeared as if they were never ever there. It was magical, and there was such peace and quiet where there had been riot police armed with weapons and tear gas just hours before that it moved many of us to joyous tears. I saw you for the first time that day, standing on the front balcony of your house acknowledging our cheers. We gave thanks to the Almighty.

It became clear to even the doubters that there was no way forward without unfettered democracy in which the people would be the final arbiters of just who their leaders should be; that elected governments must get a chance to complete their elected terms in office; that the army should have no role whatsoever to play in politics and governance, limiting itself to training (for a most unlikely war) and waiting in the barracks for the next order from the government.

All of which be as it might, I have a humble submission to make. While I will not comment on the much agitated ‘Political Question’ surrounding the case of the Murky Memo which lies before you for adjudication, my only submission before Your Lordship is that if Mansoor Ijaz is considered to have told the truth about exactly who wrote the memo and at whose behest, surely he has spoken the truth about the ISI and its dreaded ‘S’ Section too?

His words, My Lord: “… ISI embodies the scourge of radicalism that has become a cornerstone of Pakistan’s foreign policy. The time has come for America to take the lead in shutting down … an organ of the Pakistani state that undermines global antiterrorism efforts. Pakistanis are not America’s enemies. Neither is their incompetent and toothless civilian government. The enemy is a state organ that breeds hatred among Pakistan’s Islamist masses and then uses their thirst for jihad against Pakistan’s neighbours and allies to sate its hunger for power.”

There is Breaking News too, My Lord: Omar Warraich’s excellent report in The Independent of December 13, 2011: Pakistan’s “Memogate”.

Surely, planning a coup against a constitutionally elected government also attracts Article 6 of the Constitution of Pakistan? Perhaps Your Lordship might like to consider a notice to the DG ISI to submit a reply to these charges too, after placing him on the ECL? Otherwise, sir, that other matter might just look like a lynching.

With profound regards, I am,

Your most obedient servant,

Kamran Shafi

Published in The Express Tribune, December 16th, 2011.

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Reader Comments (58)

  • raja
    Dec 15, 2011 - 11:45PM

    does not make any sense it was not hiss words it was blackberry massages if you can prove exchange of msg between Ijaz and HH will you refute them if he have prove about pasha saying it to Saudis ( which does not make sense ) he should also be tried but be rational my lord and behave

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  • faraz
    Dec 16, 2011 - 12:02AM

    The naïve civil society seriously believed in the so called judicial revolution which in fact had support from a section of the establishment which wanted to get rid of Musharraf.

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  • Abbas from the US
    Dec 16, 2011 - 12:02AM

    If the court decides to truly discharge its obligations under the constitution, it should work in concert all those willing to work with it in establishing the supremecy of the civilian authority. The Chief Justice and the reinstated members of the Supreme Court Bench may not feel any rancour towards the agencies that made a farce of the judicial authorities search for redress. But they owe it to the citizens of Pakistan to help reestablish the rule of the law as per the constitution, where the Armed forces are subservient to the civilian authorities and should abide by their command.
    This may take still more time but all those who gave up and left in disgust have not given up hope that one day what is morally right will prevail.

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  • Pro Bono Publico
    Dec 16, 2011 - 12:05AM

    Mr Shafi speaks emotionally about restoration judges by Gilani but he forgets that the PPP’s foot-dragging was ended only after a long-march, where JI and PTI workers in Lahore cleared the way for the caravan to proceed toward Islamabad, which shook up the Zardari thugs. Was Zardari ever ready to free the judiciary? Plunder Pakistan Party does not believe in such nonsense.

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  • bangash
    Dec 16, 2011 - 12:11AM

    Good piece!!! Zardari and Haqqani are being prosecuted based on an unsigned memo and blackberry pieces while Fauji usurpers of the Constitution walk freely and smugly.

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  • Atanda
    Dec 16, 2011 - 12:12AM

    Unimaginable

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  • Javaid R. Shami
    Dec 16, 2011 - 12:13AM

    Mickey, it isn’t going to happen. Did you not see the Kamran Khan show tonight? I wonder who at GHQ wrote the script for him tonight.

    I wonder if this comment will be approved! Mine usually don’t.

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  • Realist.
    Dec 16, 2011 - 12:14AM

    BRAVO man BRAVO!
    SALUTES
    THE MAN who STANDS WITH THE TRUTH & DARES TO SPEAK IT!
    You are THE MAN Kamran Shafi you are the MAN!

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  • Parvez
    Dec 16, 2011 - 12:22AM

    Extremely thought provoking article. I may be wrong but I feel that your expectations from the Superior Court to produce something profound is misplaced, it will tread carefully.

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  • Tahir
    Dec 16, 2011 - 12:26AM

    Mr. Kamran Shafi rightly said ” planning a coup against a constitutionally elected government also attracts Article 6 of the Constitution of Pakistan? Perhaps Your Lordship might like to consider a notice to the DG ISI to submit a reply to these charges too, after placing him on the ECL? Otherwise, sir, that other matter might just look like a lynching.” No more comments needed.

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  • Tahir Khan
    Dec 16, 2011 - 12:32AM

    I am as brave as you sir Mr Kamran Shafi. I salute you.Recommend

  • KAKAR
    Dec 16, 2011 - 12:42AM

    thanx sir, my request is also the same to our Lord. It is the time to return the sacrifices of 12 may martyrdoms who gave their lives to strengthen the judiciary and to defeat the cruel dictatorship. Now it’s your time my Lord to pay for the blood of those who preferred to cut their heads instead of bending in front dictatorship

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  • Azmat
    Dec 16, 2011 - 12:44AM

    You want to put across your point of view with a sentiment that you stood for restoration of Chief Justice of Pakistan. For your information, every Pakistani did that. But who stopped Zardari & Co by doing that? Recommend

  • UK
    Dec 16, 2011 - 12:59AM

    Interesting, Author is presenting a case, similar to a lawyer would do (a case that is just beginning and is no way close to any verdict in either direction) , but before that he reminds CJ his support for him in the past. Imagine scenario in court room where lawyer sings praises and reminds him of his love, obedience and support of the judge before arguing his case.

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  • Tahir Khan
    Dec 16, 2011 - 1:16AM

    “Mr Shafi speaks emotionally about restoration judges by Gilani but he forgets that the PPP’s foot-dragging was ended only after a long-march, where JI and PTI workers in Lahore cleared the way for the caravan to proceed toward Islamabad, which shook up the Zardari thugs. Was Zardari ever ready to free the judiciary? Plunder Pakistan Party does not believe in such nonsense.”

    Lets just assume for a minute that Zardari and the current govt. dragged there feet about restoring the judges.
    Does that mean that Juduciary shouldn’t be just? I think I know what is going to happen but we will find out who is on what side of constituton from this case.

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  • rehmat
    Dec 16, 2011 - 1:26AM

    @raja: :”does not make any sense it was not hiss words it was blackberry massages if you can prove exchange of msg between Ijaz and HH “

    Blackberry messages do not once refer to ‘memo’ and definitely there is no reference to the contents of the memo that Ijaz sent on the blackberry. So yu are in fact relying on Ijaz’s words.

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  • Nadir
    Dec 16, 2011 - 2:04AM

    We only accept as truth those parts of leaks and disclosures that make civilians look bad. Same thing happened with Wikileaks, all the papers making the politicans look incompetent were flagged up, while all the ones whith General Kayani asking for more drone strikes, increased American assistance, allowing more US trainers but under secrecy, and his disdain for the President and the fact that he had considered removing him, all of these were conveniently forgotten. Now that Mansoor Ijaz has also claimed that DG Pasha was plotting a coup, we will now see a counter narrative that will discredit these comments of M Ijaz, but still focus on what is said against Zardari.

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  • Meekal Ahmed
    Dec 16, 2011 - 2:05AM

    Brilliant.

    You excel yourself.

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  • Saad Durrani
    Dec 16, 2011 - 2:18AM

    Mr. Shafi forgot that a blog is never “breaking news.” And, Haqqani is more answerable because there is solid proof against him.

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  • Saif Rehman
    Dec 16, 2011 - 2:25AM

    His lordship would toe the line….and everyone knows whose line it is

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  • Realist.
    Dec 16, 2011 - 3:38AM

    BRILLIANT Piece!
    I salute your bravery & courage to speak the TRUTH!

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  • You Said It
    Dec 16, 2011 - 4:50AM

    The Blackberry message logs being used as proof against Haqqani, say that “GD-SII Mr P asked for, and received permission, from senior Arab leaders a few days ago to sack Z.” (see “http://www.geo.tv/importantevents/2011/mullenmemo/pages/englishnews_18-11-2011.asp”). The GD-SII was a typo for DG-ISI.

    In fact, this specific message was cited as proof elsewhere that Zardari had good reason to fear a coup and hence must have encouraged the memo. If that’s the case, then surely there was a real coup plot as the message documents. Certainly, if the logs can be admitted into evidence against Haqqani, they are admissible for other cases too.

    BTW, the Dawn also has an article on this: “http://www.dawn.com/2011/12/15/gen-pasha-visited-arab-states-to-discuss-coup-ijaz.html”

    It’ll be interesting to see if CJP Chaudhry takes notice of this as readily as he took up the memo issue against Haqqani.

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  • American Desi
    Dec 16, 2011 - 5:59AM

    I’m a big fan of the author and I want to rescue him from possible disappointment. I have two words to bring him to reality and lower his expectations: Attiqa Odho! Sorry.

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  • basharat
    Dec 16, 2011 - 6:03AM

    The Chief does not have time to read your open letter. Between the lines, it appears, you admit that by becoming part of an unruly mob you had committed some mistake. Naeem Bukhari, during the campaign, was badly beaten by the lawyers, only because he like you, had written an open letter to the Chief Justice contents of his letter has never been controverted. As a result of the campaign the judges were restored, whether justice and fair play prevails as the consequence, the people have diverse opinions.

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  • c.m.sarwar
    Dec 16, 2011 - 6:10AM

    I have great respect for the writer and share his rightful distaste for unholy interference by military establishment in smooth flow of democratic process.But I fail to understand why he felt the need and urgency of this passionate open letter to the Chief Justice.Has he lost faith in the CJ for whom he alongwith his family made personal sacrifices over a long period of time.(Incidetally was it a personal favour to the CJ to be retrieved any time in future).The writer has failed to notice the immense limitations which this Supereme Court has been confronted with first ,facing a notorious military dictator followed by a worse civilian setup.I am totally convinced that the current civilian setup is rotten but I am equally alarmed at any possibility of a its replacement by our time-tested military incompetence in civilian rule.I believe we must have full faith in our superior judiciary and wait for adjudication instead .of expressing the type of panic and misgiving the writer has displayed.

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  • Hasan
    Dec 16, 2011 - 6:31AM

    K.S, you are expecting too much from a gang of 17 trade unionists sitting in the apex court and apply their minds just in one direction, following their Guru. Justice is just a facade now in Pakistan.

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  • Aarvey
    Dec 16, 2011 - 9:22AM

    Mr. Shafi: you have a lot of courage and a very brave man to stand up to the ” deep state”. Stay safe and pray to God that you are protected at all times

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  • malalai
    Dec 16, 2011 - 9:58AM

    a great job by Kamran Shafi and Ms. Gohar………………..Pasha must resignRecommend

  • Rizwan
    Dec 16, 2011 - 10:22AM

    well said KK. the army and isi should be answable to Supreme Court.

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  • c.m.sarwar
    Dec 16, 2011 - 10:29AM

    @Hasan:
    The whole nation was at the back of these trade unionists first when a ruthless military dictator tried to displace them and,, later on when a crafty civilian ruler resisted their reinstatement to their rightful position.(His preferance was for the greatest of judges of all times,Mr.Dogar).Overall performance of the Supereme Court under the current CJ is a different issue. and a lot can be said for and against on this subject My sincere feeling is that even if they have not met with some of our expectations our trade unionist(as Mr.Hasan condescended to call them) in the Supereme Court,are the best we have with us at this critical juncture.

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  • Arifq
    Dec 16, 2011 - 11:32AM

    Kamran Shafi has written a gem of a letter and that too on 16th December, the date of infamy for Pakistan when we lost East Pakistan. When will establishment be held accountable? It’s not impossible, others have done it and found peace, it’s about time the honorable CJ and his team lead the way and bring the Generals to court.

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  • Emmad
    Dec 16, 2011 - 12:19PM

    In my humble opinion, I would also like to request the Chief Justice Sb. to also please pass his judgement on the issues that have being lingering on for such a long time like the NRO.

    Us Pakistanis have full faith in you to make fair and justice decision, unfortunately till date, you have not taken that step.

    This is not a fight against the army or a particular political party, it is about passing a Judgement! Fair and quick decision please.

    On a separate note if you take quick and just decision on big issues, then your colleagues might take aspiration and taken decision on small issues that have been linger on for years in lower court.

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  • Ali-wali
    Dec 16, 2011 - 2:04PM

    Sections of our society will never forget the mass murder of their communities by Jihad / Fasad factories or mad-ressas people. If Mansoor Ijaz is right about ISI being behind these atrocities in any way shape or form then it will have serious implication in the future. The Supreme court should ask for a comprehensive reply from ISI, on very serious allegations of agency’s patronage of terror groups in and out of Pakistan. It seems Saudis have way too much influence on who rules Pakistan, it is important to note that whereever they have their tentacles buried, future is bleak in those countries, Afghanistan, Yemen and Somalia are prime examples, Pakistan is not far from those countries.

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  • Omair
    Dec 16, 2011 - 3:59PM

    Salute to you, Mr. Shafi. As always.

    This is the first sensible and valid point to be heard from anyone in the memogate mess.

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  • umair
    Dec 16, 2011 - 6:06PM

    I don’t understand this false logic that some of the so called intellectuals and politicians are propagating i.e., “I am not to be believed even if I present circumstantial evidence supporting a statement, if I have been giving incorrect statements on a different topic before”.

    That, my friend, is the bottom line, one statement is supported by corroborated circumstantial evidence while the other is not!!

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  • Paki Generals
    Dec 16, 2011 - 6:06PM

    @Omair:
    Poor people who think Army will let people rule this country…. lolz
    Pakistan is a factory for Army, which give them food.
    how will they allow any one else make decisions about the their factory, pakistan?

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  • Dec 16, 2011 - 6:07PM

    truly expressed sincere feelings of a patriotic citizen, not invoking the judges thinking and sympathies for what the civil society did to make sure the judiciary becomes independent, but reminding the honorable judges as to what the nation want from the “independent judiciary” for which many of us gave a lot of sacrifices by standing to a dictator and his whole lot of the armed folks – your highness we wanted to ensure the continuity of democratic system and we want it now too and will want it tomorrow as well. Let the boots rule no more, let they be given no chance, let they understand that they have to work under the directives of the civilian government, let we be a mockery for the world no more, please. Lets focus on strengthening the democratic norms, and lets not get into the emotions and floods of the rightists and hungry media. Its time for us to bring the boots under control of the democratic system. I have no favor for the ppp but let them complete the tenure which they are given by the mandate of the very nation..

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  • S.R.H. Hashmi
    Dec 16, 2011 - 7:06PM

    As a student in UK long time back, I had to get yearly extensions from the Home Office, and in the middle of a sentence in a letter, I wrote ‘Citizen of the country,’ writing citizen with capital C and country with small c, which my principal queried and I explained that I always considered citizen to be bigger than the country. I still believe so and feel that all systems are there not for the beauty of their own, but to improve the lot of the people, failing which the resultant setup is of no use and should be discarded, especially when there is not even a minor effort to arrest the decay. Reading the letter and its closing, I get the impression that the writer has a regimented mind who loves systems for the beauty of their own, irrespective of what they do to the people. If it was not so, he would not have come out so strongly in support of the present civilian government set up despite its performance.

    Also, he ignores the fact that the memo is being taken seriously, not just because of Mansoor Ijaz’s words but because circumstantial evidence supporting it comes from different sources, and words and deeds of the main characters sort of confirm it.

    As for ISI Chief going abroad to seek approval for sacking of the government, the story seems too far-fetched. The normal and practical course in such cases is to present it as a fait-accompli, in the sure knowledge that others will willy-nilly accept it.

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  • Dec 16, 2011 - 7:17PM

    Vienna,December 16,2011
    A valid focussed single point piece by senior journalist Kamran Shafi
    deserving all consideration.The back ground was one of prevailing
    nervousness all over in Pakistan after the hiding place of Osama
    Bind Laden was exposed and he was eliminated for good of the
    world.Pakistan´s ruling troika establishment is balanced rather
    unevenly, politicians & bureucrats hanging up on their plates.They
    were all after the American favour, although painted as unpopular
    universally within Pakistan geographical borders. They all needed
    America on their side.But who would plead for common Pakistani
    population,who are the worst victims? Kerry Lugar Bill was meant
    to for them.In any case,an investigation would help if indeed the
    military lobbied with Arab rules of the Peninsula.The very rulers
    themselves are beholden to the United States of America.That
    explains Arab spring.
    Taravadu Taranga Trust for Media Monitoring TTTMM India
    –Kulamarva Balakrishna

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  • Truth Teller
    Dec 16, 2011 - 7:20PM

    You are my man! Bravo KS! I salute you on behalf of the people of Pakistan. I wish we have more writers like you, Ayaz Amir & Feroz Cowasjee.

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  • kamal khan
    Dec 16, 2011 - 9:41PM

    i agree what Kamran Shafi says. At the same time it must be thoroughly investigated and the culprits must be punished. Shafi focuses on democratic government. i dont think that any opposes that idea. The matter of the fact is that is there “Democracy” in Pakistan. The State owned enterprises have been looted and plundered. Country is in shambles. If Shafi speaks of Democracy then it is one of the fundamental norms of Democracy that any government that cannot deliver it must resign and fresh elections be conducted.

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  • Abdul Rehman Gilani
    Dec 17, 2011 - 12:05AM

    Kindly issue an open letter condemning the attack on Salala, and apologise for defending terrorist Davis.Recommend

  • Romm
    Dec 17, 2011 - 3:07AM

    In Court proceedings hearsay(as stated by Ijaz that some sources informed him that Pasha visted Arab Countries) is considered weak evidence, whereas technical evidence like direct messages via blackberry are considered substantitve piece of evidence. Therefore, Mr Shafi though has tried to present his case in legal language but does not know even the basics of law of Evidence/Qanoon e Shahadat.
    It’s funny to read the case prepared by Mr Kamran Shafi, devoid of substance, in the shape of open letter to CJP, relating to a memorandum which is addressed to a foreign Govt. in which Pakistan,s Nuclear asset’s would be at the Mercy of USA. This open letter speaks how irrational human can be, if Prejudiced.
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  • Adnan
    Dec 17, 2011 - 9:28AM

    Kamran Shafi Sb.

    Thanks once again for writing this open letter to C.J.P. Let’s hope he will take action now!

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  • TMQ
    Dec 17, 2011 - 10:55AM

    Kamran Shafi Saheb,

    You are great. At least out of 180 Millions someone bears sense and has spoken the truth. Now we see how CJP responds. If he does nothing, which will show the real SAZISH behind the seen. May God bless our poor people who are again and again being made scape goat.Recommend

  • Ishrat Salim
    Dec 17, 2011 - 6:52PM

    There are 2 historical events…..

    – EP vs BD…who are responsible for this ?….it is a historical fact that Awami league ( AL ) had won in majority & was supposed to form govt in center….which was refused by Gen Yahya supported by ZAB…..this is on record….all through the election period AL wanted provincial autonomy same what has been done via 18th amendment….was this difficult if there was political will…?? but it was against the prestige of PPP / ZAB to accept AL ( Mujib ) as majoroty party & allow them to form govt at the center…the day ( 2 March 1970 ) NA session ( agreed between AL & PPP ) was supposed to be convened in Dhaka….it was postponed indefinetely by Gen Yahya in consultation with ZAB & this was the start of ” civil disobedience ” called by AL & eventually the whole opposition party of EP demanded independence…culminating in military action by PPP govt…BD was indeed a reality due to the colloboration between establishment + political parties….when Gen Tikka ( announced on arrival in Dhaka that he need land not people ) was sent by PPP govt to crush BD freedom fighters….civil war started & bloodshed witnessed with 250,000 pakistani citizens as ” refugees” till today.

    – movement for independent judiciary….while appreciate Mr KS open letter to SC in which he has detailed his & his family & assosciates support – day in & day out for the cause…it is irony to see the same KS & his assosciates`s lack of interest in the same way in pursuing ” corrupt practices & the daily exposures of the govt mismangement / goverance ” by the present govt…?? if KS is so patriotic..why he did not support Mr Jahangir ?? – a lone crusader against ” corruption ” to sit in to fast…?? why is that civil society of which he claims so proudly to be part of….has not fought the ” menace of corruption & goverance ” the same way….which is hypocritical on his part as many people are in Pakistan….a scourge that need cleansing through ” revolution “.It is strange to see that KS letter to SC is same what the Americans wants….disbanding ISI….one way or the other….because it is ISI who are the biggest obstacle in pursuing their agenda…CIA & other outfits of American intel hv been exposed to be more brutal & mishandled numerous intel failures in America…yet nobody demanded heads to roll…?? JFK & the black leader ( forgetting name at the moment )murder…not yet solved even after 2 decades….no investigation & no head rolled….9/11 no conclusive investigation…yet no head rolled….Vietnam war…no investigation as to why & who ordered…no head rolled…?? & you Mr KS being a commissioned officer ( now retired )….why did you not revolt if you knew the presence of ” S ” section within ISI & its role…?? because you would hv been deprived of the facilities of ” Post retirement “…?? you cud hv been ” court-martialed ” too….at least you cud hv resigned in protest to prove yr moral standing…why today you are demanding that ISI shud be disbanded…??

    what you are saying is because you hv a softcorner in PPP because u were BB`s Press Secrterary…?? or working for the Americans…??Recommend

  • Dec 17, 2011 - 11:38PM

    kamran:

    succinct.

    won;t hold my breadth tho’

    ;)

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  • c.m.sarwar
    Dec 18, 2011 - 2:37AM

    @Ishrat Salim:
    V well said.Your passion outweighs the one displyayed by by KS. I was wondering why KS is desperate for a rottnen civilian rule instead of protesting against its recklessness.I am no supporter of a replacement by 4 times tested rotten military misrule.Why not early,fair elections?

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  • Adil Bashir
    Dec 18, 2011 - 4:09AM

    The article does not make sense to me. What is the relation between the CJP, the inserted paragraph about the ISI and Omar’s breaking news?

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  • numbersnumbers
    Dec 18, 2011 - 6:02AM

    @Ishrat Salim:
    So, you say that “JFK & the black leader ( forgetting name at the moment )murder…not yet solved even after 2 decades….no investigation & no head rolled…9/11 no conclusive investigation…yet no head rolled…..”

    Lets see now, JFK was assasinated in Dallas, Texas, on 22 November 1963 (about 5 decades ago, not 2) by Lee Harvey Oswald, according to FOUR seperate government investigations!

    “the black leader” was Dr. Martin Luther King, who was assasinated on 4 April 1968 (again almost 5 decades ago, not 2!) in Memphis, Tennessee by James Earl Ray! Ray was arrested and charged, entered a guilty plea at trial and was sentenced to 99 years!

    9/11 was probably THE most investigated act in the last 50 years, as all 19 of the hijackers were identified, and most of the players and planners have been killed or caught, culminating with the killing of OBL in Abbottabad, Pakistan, where he had been living the previous FIVE YEARS!

    You really should get THE FACTS straight, otherwise readers might think you are just another CONSPIRACY junkie!

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  • Kamran Shafi
    Dec 18, 2011 - 7:36AM

    @Ishrat Salim:

    I did not say anything about the ISI’s ‘S’ Section. I merely quoted the man whose every word is being considered the gospel truth in Pakistan today, particularly by the Deep State itself: Mansoor Ijaz.

    How does asking the Supreme Court to treat Mansoor Ijaz’s allegations against Shuja Pasha (that he went about the Middle East asking for support in case Zardari was got rid of) in the same way as his allegations against Hussain Haqqani were treated i.e., placing Pasha too on the ECL (after asking him to resign?) and carrying out an investigation, constitute asking for the disbandment of the ISI?

    Read the article CAREFULLY one more time.

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  • Adnan Khan
    Dec 18, 2011 - 10:20AM

    A long self-congratulatory harangue followed by a cheap attempt to derail the course of justice, based upon a lie.
    .
    Mansoor Ijaz has said that he never said that Gen. Pasha went around Arab countries asking for their “permission” to sack Zardari. He said CIA sources had told him that Gen. Pasha visited China and Arab countries after May 2nd, to explain the “stress” caused by the PPP Govt trying to paint Pak Army as the bad guys. This is all the hearsay he was told by the Americans.
    .
    He doesn’t have a single shred of evidence (transcripts, BBM messages, etc), except this hearsay, which too doesn’t doesn’t say that Gen Pasha either asked or received, any such permission to stage a coup.
    .
    All we have here, is a crudely packaged PPP campaign of lies to sabotage MemoGate investigations by the SC. As long as Iftikhar Mohd. Ch. is there, Kamaran Shafi and his gang will never be able to thwart justice. Let them try their worst.

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  • Ishrat Salim
    Dec 18, 2011 - 4:48PM

    Reply to numbersnumbers…the investigations into JFK / Martin Luther King ( thanks to remind me )9/11 did not reveal the people etc; who were behind it till today ( especially 9/11 two commissions inconclusive till today …pls go into American archives ).

    Reply to KS….MI`s words are taken as gospel truth ( for the time being ) because our own govt gave him ammunition by first denying the issue & when MI started to reveal proofs….the govt was on defensive….till today the article on FT which was the basis of ” memogate ” has not be sued nor this controversial Mr M Ijaz has been sued…?? why….& as SC is rightly pursuing the case…let the law take its course….HH was asked to resigned due to overwhelming evidence provided to the President / PM during the meeting….which in case of Gen Pasha it has not been confirmed by the countries as alledgely claimed….that is the difference…Recommend

  • numbersnumbers
    Dec 18, 2011 - 8:50PM

    @Ishrat Salim:
    So you say that “the investigations into JFK / Martin Luther King ( thanks to remind me )9/11 did not reveal the people etc; who were behind it till today”

    What ever happened to “not yet solved…no investigation” as per your previous posting?

    As for “who were behind it till today”, then please tell us WHO was “behind” JFK/Martin Luther King/(9/11) since you say that TODAY we know!!!!!

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  • Ishrat Salim
    Dec 19, 2011 - 4:20PM

    Reply @ numbersnumbers….read my comment carefully..till today investigations hv not revealed who did it…? having the most sophisticated intel units in the world with huge resources…American people do not know who was behind these murders & acts of terrorism etc;….Recommend

  • Dec 21, 2011 - 4:22PM

    I salute you Dear Mr. Shafi at least one voice came. Thank you Sir again.Recommend

  • Ishrat Salim
    Dec 21, 2011 - 6:52PM

    Adnan Khan…thnk you for yr reponse….most of the people are commenting for the sake of commenting…there is no substance in their comments…they are just supporting KS ( who , is himself a product of the deep State – an ex Army personal & ex Private secretary to BB ) because our Army / ISI is under pressure…but insha Allah the truth shall prevail & expose those unpatriotic elements very soon….

    so I leave it here…because we hv gone intellectually bankrupt…..this is my considered personal view.Recommend

  • Baynazir
    Jan 11, 2012 - 10:53AM

    If given the choice between ISI AND PPP ..I think 90% of Pakistanis today would prefer ISI…

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