Sectarian massacre: Afghan president points finger at Pakistan

By AFP
Published: December 7, 2011
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President Karzai kisses the head of a girl who was wounded in Tuesday’s suicide attack as he visits victims at a hospital in Kabul. PHOTO: REUTERS

President Karzai kisses the head of a girl who was wounded in Tuesday’s suicide attack as he visits victims at a hospital in Kabul. PHOTO: REUTERS

KABUL: Afghan President Hamid Karzai pointed his finger towards the banned militant outfit Lashkar-e-Jhangvi on Wednesday for an unprecedented attack on Shias in Kabul that killed 55 people, demanding justice from the government in Islamabad in a move that is likely to ratchet up tensions between the two countries.

“We will pursue this issue with Pakistan and its government very seriously,” said Karzai as he visited wounded survivors of the attack after cancelling a planned trip to Britain and rushing home from Germany. In response, Pakistan asked Afghanistan to provide evidence to support these accusations.

“Lashkar-e-Jhangvi is a banned organisation. We would encourage Kabul to share with us evidence, if any through official channels,” Foreign Office spokesperson Abdul Basit told AFP by text message.

There have been media reports of a purported claim from Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, which is linked to al Qaeda and blamed for carrying out numerous attacks against the Shia community in Pakistan but not thought previously to have attacked within Afghanistan.

“Lashkar-e-Jhangvi is based in Pakistan, therefore the government of Afghanistan with all its strength and international support will pursue this issue, Afghanistan cannot ignore the blood of its children,” Karzai said. His spokesman Aimal Faizi told AFP that Karzai will “demand Pakistan take executive measures… so that justice can be done”.

The US embassy in Kabul confirmed that an American was among those killed on Tuesday, in the Afghan capital where the victims were buried at peaceful mass gatherings with police on standby for violence which failed to materialise.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the blasts, which came as the civilians travelled from provincial capital Lashkar Gah to Sangin district, historically one of the most troubled in Afghanistan.

Lashkar Gah was brought under Afghan control in July and three other districts of Helmand are due to shift from Nato to Afghan hands within weeks as part of the phased withdrawal of most Western combat troops.

Officials accuse militants of trying to exacerbate the 10-year war by hitting religious fault lines. Investigators are now trying to find out who was responsible. The Taliban have denied any involvement.

An Afghan official said the bomber who attacked the Kabul shrine was a Pakistani affiliated to Lashkar-e-Jhangvi. Officials and experts suggested that if Pakistanis did orchestrate the attacks, then elements in the Afghan Taliban may have helped facilitate them.

Published in The Express Tribune, December 8th, 2011.

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  • saeed
    Dec 7, 2011 - 2:12PM

    Now Afghanistan is also following the line of its master india when it comes to blaming every thing on pakistan..as if afghanistan is a really peacefull place and there are no militants in afghsnistan who can do this…almost 60 percent afghanistan is under taliban control..fisrt try to capture that place then put blames on others..this will lead you no where instead the hate will grow more….due to the influence of northeren alliance in afghan military and intelleginece backed up by india this is bound to happen..This is very easy to put all the blames on pakistan so that you can hide you insufficiency and protect the corruption going on in afghanistan military establishment…

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  • Acorn Guts
    Dec 7, 2011 - 2:13PM

    This kind of terrorism has no geographical bounds or religious foundations. Directly or indirectly, all these worthless and despicable groups like LeJ, SSP, TTP and their counterparts in Afghanistan are the off-shoots of the same twisted ideology. You can’t blame one without blaming all the rest in equal part.

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  • positive pakistani
    Dec 7, 2011 - 2:20PM

    Indian-style voices….

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  • ashok sai
    Dec 7, 2011 - 2:21PM

    Insane, hope Iran raises voice against this atrocity against shiites.

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  • sam
    Dec 7, 2011 - 2:21PM

    blame game is on as routine.

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  • Abdullah
    Dec 7, 2011 - 2:32PM

    Here we go again, any bomb that kills shias, blame it on LeJ !!!

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  • guest-worker
    Dec 7, 2011 - 2:34PM

    Almost all suicide bombers in Pakistan were Afghans trained with US AID

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  • Mahesh Patil
    Dec 7, 2011 - 2:40PM

    With deep heart I am loosing confidence in Pak state.We Indians want stable and prosperous Pakistan as a neighbour.But why this silly memogate is taking precedence? Recommend

  • Pakistani
    Dec 7, 2011 - 2:43PM

    Afghanistan…you are a matter of just 1 atomic bomb…Recommend

  • Dec 7, 2011 - 2:43PM

    A sad incident.

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  • SalSal
    Dec 7, 2011 - 2:51PM

    There is no proof guys it’s just claims made by a man. Nobody knows anything yet. When nobody knows anything blame it on outsiders and Pakistan is the best punching bag for these guys who receive more aid and assistance than Pakistan and have 150000 foreign troops helping them but still can’t get control of their country

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  • Papaji
    Dec 7, 2011 - 2:55PM

    Such a quick conclusion . . . .must be an Indian funded terrorist!! Old Indian practice of ‘divide and create chaos’ . . . .simply pathetic.

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  • Sachal Sarmast
    Dec 7, 2011 - 2:56PM

    Kudos to Afghan agencies and government, they established the not only the nationality but also the affiliation of the massacrer. Does such wisdom would be helpful in achieving peace and stability in Afghanistan?

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  • Altaf Hussain, Mumbai
    Dec 7, 2011 - 2:57PM

    Not suprised. With the kind of intolerance being sown across Pakistan, this is peanuts.

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  • Trick-or-Treat
    Dec 7, 2011 - 3:01PM

    What a surprise !!!

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  • LOK
    Dec 7, 2011 - 3:06PM

    Afghan intelligence is quick, they should be hired to train intel community all over the world. Bonn conf should have identified this as a source of revenue for Afg.

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  • faraz
    Dec 7, 2011 - 3:17PM

    Taliban massacred Shias in Mazar Sharif in 1997 including Iranian diplomats; whats so surprising abou this attack

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  • sam
    Dec 7, 2011 - 3:21PM

    I wonder Afghanistan was sooooo peaceful throughout his history, all the disruption and distortion has just started :P

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  • Mehsud
    Dec 7, 2011 - 3:24PM

    To blame Pakistan for every act is very easy for everyone, it might happen that US and India in collaboration have conducted the suicide bombing, killing Afghans in order to pitch nationals of both the countries against each other.

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  • JCD
    Dec 7, 2011 - 3:33PM

    As if Afghanistan doesn’t have suicide bombers and as if Afghans are the most peaceful people. This is nonsense

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  • Nero
    Dec 7, 2011 - 3:33PM

    How sad!!! Not even Afghanistan is punching its ‘twin brother’ Pakistan. What happened to the Ummah by the way?

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  • Phannay Khan
    Dec 7, 2011 - 3:34PM

    Same song but different mouth. Blah Blah Blah Blah!!!
    Now its Hindu’s turn to sing this song. How in the world can these Hindu MF’s Blame others for terrorism when they have stationed 500,000 state sponsored Hindu RSS terrorists in Kashmir?

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  • j. von hettlingen
    Dec 7, 2011 - 3:42PM

    In order to exonerate itself from any involvement in these sectarian attacks on the Shia Muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan should cooperate with Afghanistan to get to the bottom of this matter. The Pakistani citizens are fed up of being blamed for any wrongdoing committed abroad.

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  • Pakistani
    Dec 7, 2011 - 3:43PM

    Pakistan should get back all afghanis to their homes. And let let us to live peacefully in our country.

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  • Fareedi
    Dec 7, 2011 - 3:44PM

    Afghanistan +India= Afghandia…LOL. What are your forces and those of your new master India and Nato doing… where are u doling the Billions that are being poured in. For you war is an industry. For us you are a headache…!

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  • Naveed Iqbal
    Dec 7, 2011 - 3:44PM

    Wake up Mr. Karzai, you are not the president of India to lay claim on everying against Pakistan. First clean up your house and then blame others.

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  • Palvasha von Hassell
    Dec 7, 2011 - 3:50PM

    In Germany, the evening news on television made sure to drag Pakistan’s name in the mud again, just one day after the Bonn conference on Afghanistan, by linking these attacks to the usual “Pakistani religio-extremist groups”, before any such connection could be independently established. Such low standards of journalistic ethics! and that so soon after the outrageous and brazen NATO attack killing over 20 Pakistani soldiers. Has any country got the patience of Pakistan?

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  • Ali Sher
    Dec 7, 2011 - 4:02PM

    Pakistan is itself in turmoil, why would they want to be participate in these kind of things, media plays with us, no one has physical evidence that who is involved, they film a guy in a mask and say that he is from this group and that group this is all crap. These are sponsored by zionists so that we keep fighting with each other rather than fighting our real enemies. .

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  • KB
    Dec 7, 2011 - 4:14PM

    Should I laugh at Afghan Officials or Mourn the deaths of Shia Muslims in this attack(?).

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  • KiJ
    Dec 7, 2011 - 4:19PM

    passing the buck is always the easiest thing to do….

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  • Palvasha von Hassell
    Dec 7, 2011 - 4:20PM

    @j. von hettlingen:

    Pakistan, I get the feeling, might just have about a million better things to do than “exonerate” itself, just because someone might see fit to point a finger at it! It is the fall in standards of media reporting and the general shocking state of hypocrisy and narrow-mindedness that the decade after 9/11 has brought Western societies that is cause for concern to me.

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  • MA Shah
    Dec 7, 2011 - 4:21PM

    All suiciders get their finance from the Gulf and training and brainwashing from nafarious madrassa system in Pakistan. Shia are free to commemorate anywhere where Saudis can’t their hands on them.

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  • Jameel
    Dec 7, 2011 - 4:21PM

    The Pathans become Pakistani when they come to a bad name and become afghani when they do something good. Even if they did. We don’t claim LeJ to be our heroes. They are causing trouble in Pakistan itselves. blaming a country as a whole is a very misleading.

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  • Afghan
    Dec 7, 2011 - 4:24PM

    @sam:

    That is because afghans can’t accept the slavery of foreigners for 200 long years ;)

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  • Allahrakha
    Dec 7, 2011 - 4:28PM

    I cannot believe Pakistanis would do something like this. They belong to a peaceful religion that preaches love for all.
    This sounds like a RAW-NATO-CIA-MOSSAD-UN-KGB-WWF-WHO strategy to denigrate Pakistan. But it will never work. The recently captured monkey trespassing into Pakistan has revealed a treasure trove of information. Under questioning the monkey revealed the conspiracies hatched against Pakistan by the erring agencies.

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  • MA Shah
    Dec 7, 2011 - 4:28PM

    Pakistan is in turmoil due to our low quality education system, which fails to equip people with modern knowledge and make them rot learn low quality and out dated books, that is simply our inaptness to function in modern World. Secetarian violence is financed by Gulfs, and problem starts there.

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  • Afghan
    Dec 7, 2011 - 4:32PM

    @sam:

    Afghans blamed osama is in pakistan.

    Afghans blamed taliban’s training camps are in pakistan.

    Afghans blamed taliban leaders are in quetta and so many other blames,

    Now Afghans yet again blame LeJ Al Almi carried out this attack against our shiite brothers and sisters.

    You should come out of your web and look into reality. u should watch ur own analysts progammes on ur tvs where one with open mind can clearly conclude that these allegations are true.

    As long as LeJ is concerned, just google “Lashkar e jhangvi kabul attack” and hopefully you will come across some news websites where LeJ’s spokesman has claimed the responsibility.Recommend

  • Afghan
    Dec 7, 2011 - 4:38PM

    @guest-worker:

    Sorry to say that all training camps are on your side of durand line. If it weren’t so then why would your interior minister rahman malik thanked taliban for not attacking your country.
    u people still want us to love pakistanis and hate indians only because indians are building our country and you are destroying it.Recommend

  • NAVEED HAZARA
    Dec 7, 2011 - 4:43PM

    This time Hazaras came under attack in Afghanistan, the same militant group who claims responsiblity of killing of hazaras in Quetta, Pakistan, also claimed the responsbility of genocide of innocent Hazaras this time in Kabul and Mazar-e-Sharif in order to bring the people of Afghanistan at loger head with each but Hazaras in Afghanistan are not so weak as the Hazaras in Pakistan, they can take the revenge if decided.

    NAVEED HAZARA, JAGHORI, AFGHANISTAN

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  • Afghan
    Dec 7, 2011 - 4:44PM

    @Altaf Hussain, Mumbai:

    Yeah, but why are they trying to sow the same seeds in our society? As a pashtun we and all our tajik, uzbek, balochi and other castes here in Afghanistan consider shiite as muslim brothers. why would pakistanis come across the border to our capital and kill innocent shiites because of their barbaric and ignorant ideas??

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  • Roflcopter
    Dec 7, 2011 - 4:44PM

    I bet the Afghan officials learned these baseless blame tactics from India.

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  • Dec 7, 2011 - 4:47PM

    Vienna,December 7,2011
    Deaths are proof.Indentity of the culprit and the backers are
    to be established.The assumption is they are Al-Queda
    associates. Investigations will reveal and take care of them.
    Do note there is a war around the Durand Line.
    Taravadu Taranga Trust for Media Monitoring TTTMM India
    –Kulamarva Balakrishna

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  • M Khan
    Dec 7, 2011 - 4:53PM

    The Afghan’s think they have a easy way out… blame everything on Pakistan… and they also get away with it, due to lame Pakistani Government and rulers (Both MILITARY & Civilian) an dtheir lame and weak policies and actions.

    Its time Pakistan re-reviews its policy with Afghanistan,

    All dealings should be based on TIT FOR TAT vis a vis Afghanistan.
    It has been more than 20 years and Russia has left Afghanistan so what are 3 MILLION Afghans doing in Pakistan? REPATRIATE THE AFGHAN REFUGEES NOW. It will be assured that 50% of the crime rate in Pakistan will go down directly.
    FENCE AND MINE THE BORDER WITH AFGHANISTAN. I wonder why Karzai objects to this??? and they are always blaming Pakistan for cross-border terrorism. LETS SEAL THE BORDER WITH AFGHANISTAN.
    There should be NO FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS WITH AFGHANS. all these goods are sold in Pakistan anyway.
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  • vivek ruparel
    Dec 7, 2011 - 4:58PM

    Again Pakistanis will turn n blame Hindus & India for this another conspiracy theory will come up. BTW who was targeting Shias in ur country for last 5 years?? Who attacked Christians & Qadiyani?? All those oversmart ppl talkin abt Hindus & Kashmir here need i remind U all tht subcontinent itself entirely belongs 2 us Hindus/Sikhs/Buddhists. Haq jatane ki baat naa kare apna mulq theek se smabhaale. We dun ask u questions abt accesion of Balochistan the acts of ur military on baloch ppl so better get ur act in order. WE understand the growth & development of India versus the downfall of Pakistan must frustrate a lot of souls. So all India & Hindu Haters I cant help.Recommend

  • khalid
    Dec 7, 2011 - 5:02PM

    these type of attacks are only and only from west they know we muslims are great fools as we already demonstrate in iraq now they are using the same formulla here and besides that the are using their paid afghan puppets to use this theory. But believe ALLAh and have patience they will not be suceed in their motives .

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  • Mard-e-Haq
    Dec 7, 2011 - 5:08PM

    Generally, I find comments here very balanced. But I am seeing little sympathy for the 50-odd dead Afghans. Rather, I am reading conspiracy theories about “Afghandia” (nice term though).

    Were the 24 Pakistani soldier martyrs killed by Afghanistan as well? Remember, the Quaid was a Shia or should we rewrite that history?Recommend

  • MarkH
    Dec 7, 2011 - 5:15PM

    @Mehsud:
    Difference is, anyone hearing you say that wouldn’t be able to keep from laughing.

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  • A Pakistan Wellwisher
    Dec 7, 2011 - 5:18PM

    Better would be to accept problem of terrorism and try to find a solution. Denials will not take us anywhere.Recommend

  • Karl Marx
    Dec 7, 2011 - 5:27PM

    Yes —- the bomber was blown to pieces but ofcourse he looked like a Pakistani from Kurram Agency.

    No one takes the Afghans seriously!!!! Recommend

  • Dec 7, 2011 - 5:27PM

    “Shrine Bomber came from Pakistan and belonged to LEJ”
    And “Alice (in Wonderland)” was KIDNAPPED by ISI and taken to “Wonderland(a town near Miranshah, North Waziristan) where “Haqqani Network” Militants gave her “Suicidal Training”….
    How much more ABSURD will the NATO / US / Afghani Officials sound????

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  • Afghan
    Dec 7, 2011 - 5:28PM

    @ Positive_Pakistani @ Abdullah and all those who call it a blame game:
    The LeJ proclaiming themselves LeJ Alami (LeJ International) contacted the BBC Urdu on the evening of the attack and took responsibility.
    Would would be your response if a bomb strike kills dozens of innocent Pakistani and the Shivsena in India claim responsibility for it?
    You people are so blinded and have been brainwashed by your establishment-run media propaganda that you even ignore the facts that are obvious as the daylight. Your sense of patriotism is worth appreciating, however, it should not be manipulated by some self-conceited elements within your state and government who use YOU as scapegoats for their ill policies- such as support for Taliban which resulted in the creation of Tehrek-e-Taliban Pakistan.

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  • Yuri Kondratyuk
    Dec 7, 2011 - 5:37PM

    Summary of all the comments posted here – It’s a CIA/RAW/Mossad/KhAD conspiracy!!!

    Or in other words…………….. “Oh God! Afghanistan is no longer our backyard :(“

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  • Indian
    Dec 7, 2011 - 5:38PM

    @Fareedi:

    A headache that Pakistan created!
    And you might have forgotten the famous phrase – ‘international migraine’ – Remember?

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  • Indian
    Dec 7, 2011 - 5:39PM

    @Naveed Iqbal:

    One question – Do you know who created the dirt?

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  • Lord
    Dec 7, 2011 - 5:40PM

    Killing people will not kill the ideology.Murderers and there clean shaved back door supporters go and do some research on the differences between the two sects.Just don’t follow blindly any one or daddy’s opinion,open books .If two brothers can have difference of opinion who are in the same era, have a finite life and are from same parents why cant 2 sects have difference of opinion in a religion which is 1461 years old.Please violence will just worsen islam’s ruined image in the eyes of the world.

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  • MA Shah
    Dec 7, 2011 - 5:41PM

    @Allahrakha, I like your euphemism ‘peace loving religion’.

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  • Ruturaj
    Dec 7, 2011 - 5:41PM

    @saeed:
    Now Afghanistan is also following the line of its master india“. You tell me who is/was your master, Uncle Sam or Chinki Master? Be a realistic. FYI, Mumbai attackers were non other than Pakistani, don’t you think so? We do not want a sick Afghanistan. We are trying to help Afghanistan in improving its infrastructure, trade, security such that it should not be a failed state like Pakistan. If we help, then you have problem. Is this not showing your zealousness? Why don’t you help Afghanistan and show your BIG heart which you can’t do and start blaming India for you incapability.

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  • Babloo
    Dec 7, 2011 - 5:47PM

    This is first ever sectarian bombing and killing in Afganistan on a religious occasion. The Paksitan based terrorist group has already claimed responsibility.

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  • Nitish
    Dec 7, 2011 - 5:52PM

    @Phannay Khan
    Today Pakistan is in terrible crisis because it has people like you!
    Shame on you and your views… Grow up or else leave it for sensible Pakistanis to decide about your future.

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  • positive pakistani
    Dec 7, 2011 - 5:59PM

    Why do ET always have to give prime coverage to all anti-Pakistan voices????……..
    (and please don’t curb my voice at least, for not being anti-Pakistan)

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  • Shahid Kureshi
    Dec 7, 2011 - 6:02PM

    The headline is pure and simple crap. This was yet again Nato, Isaf and CIA at work. Excellent observation noted elsewhere. Only two muslim countries had such incidents on Ashura; Afghanistan & Iraq, both having Nato / US Forces security arrangements. We have not forgotten the Arrest of two Britishers by Iraqis in Basra who were freed by the British Forces from the Police Station after mounting a tank assault. They were arrested with a car load of explosives roaming the streets of Basra.Recommend

  • junaid
    Dec 7, 2011 - 6:07PM

    “An Afghan official claimed”….where is the name of the official and from which department. Is this said officially by afghan forces or conveyed to Pakistan. I can even say this because of poor history of LASKAR E JHANGVI…..EXPRESS TRIBUNE please report authentic things on medic not these rumors……!!!!

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  • faraz
    Dec 7, 2011 - 6:16PM

    @Palvasha von Hassell

    Lashkar e Jhangvi has accepted responsibility.

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  • sohaib
    Dec 7, 2011 - 6:19PM

    @Mahesh Patil Please mind your own business. Your shining India has too many problems to confront.

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  • Ali Khan
    Dec 7, 2011 - 6:19PM

    @Afghan
    … do you think we would believe a story cooked up in just one day? If Afghan intelligence is so strong, why dont they stop Taliban’s attack.
    Oh and take back your million plus refugees from Pakistan…. thankless people dont deserve our hospitality!!!!

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  • Palvasha von Hassell
    Dec 7, 2011 - 6:28PM

    @A Pakistan Wellwisher:
    “Better would be”…you must be German! Anyway, better would be if NATO would stop its illegal occupation of Afghanistan and quit adding to our problems. We’ve put up with this farce long ebough. If you wish Pakistan well, do that.

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  • Ch Allah Daad
    Dec 7, 2011 - 6:40PM

    LeJ has killed hundreds of Shias in Pakistan and security agencies have done very little to stop them. Now they are trained enough to complete missions anywhere in the world. There is no surprise in it. The only logic to refute Afghan claim is that when LeJ has so much freedom in Pakistani seas why would they go to fish in foreign waters.

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  • Amjad
    Dec 7, 2011 - 6:46PM

    @Afghan: Afghans have been the lackeys of the Indians for far too long. Why can’t they be independent instead of using their nation as a base for criminality and terrorism for the Indians? It doesn’t surprise me that Karzai would blame Pakistan for the problems in Afghanistan including the recent bombing. That is the game that the Afghans have learned from their Indian masters. It’s time for Pakistan to ship back all the Afghani refugees and close the border with Afghanistan permanently. Enough of their games and absurdity. Afghanistan is the source of all trouble orchestrated by their Indian masters.Recommend

  • wahab haider
    Dec 7, 2011 - 6:59PM

    i dont know why foriegn office is quiet at karzai statements.as long as that puppet is there no peace in afghanistan is possible.Ameircans need to understand that karzai can never help their cause,the sooner they do the better

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  • Rafi Ka Deewana
    Dec 7, 2011 - 7:19PM

    In this world, perceptions are more important than reality. The very 1st thought that came to my mind was, “it got to be a Pakistani”. And, I am sure at the same time, many were quietly praying, “I hope it is not a Pakistani”.

    Now why such perceptions are so strong? I bet every reader knows the answer. You can rationalize, justify, blame India or US, or Israel, but the last 10 years events in Pakistan and involving Pakistanis can’t be viewed in isolation.

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  • Jp
    Dec 7, 2011 - 7:25PM

    @Acorn Guts:

    Why no inclusion of JuD?????? main accused in Mumbai blasts.

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  • Babloo
    Dec 7, 2011 - 7:26PM

    Lashker-e-jhangvi, when it operates outside pakistan, its a strategic asset and a valuable arm of the state. Same for TTP. When TTP acts inside pakistan, they are a terrorist group. When TTP acts inside Afganistan or india, its a freedom force and a valuable asset of the stretegic state.

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  • blacksheep
    Dec 7, 2011 - 7:26PM

    easy solution Pakistan and Afghanistan should for a federation and this should do away with at least 90% of the issues.

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  • Muhammad Kashif
    Dec 7, 2011 - 7:29PM

    @ Karl Marx,

    Afghan Government showing traditional insanity, they live with CIA and backstab Pakistan. Last days Hamid Karzai……..Long Live Pakistan.

    Publish.Recommend

  • Salman
    Dec 7, 2011 - 7:31PM

    Pakistan should take a leaf from Afghanistan here by blaming every terrorist attack in Pakistan to Afghani Talibans.

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  • abdul
    Dec 7, 2011 - 7:41PM

    @saeed:

    60 percent of terrorists are in pakistan.firsrt try to capture that place then put blames on others.

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  • Ali Khan
    Dec 7, 2011 - 8:02PM

    Enough is enough karzai and his masters from the Hindustan northren alince and hazara wich ofcours thay were slaves to soviat union its time to pakistan to stop all comercial trafic to afganistan sell the border put a couple of million land mines on on the border shoot every thing that movies and let them live in afganistan lett htem kill each other enough is enough we trai to help them for the last thirty plus years and karzai and hi stoges will still blam us for every thing. weiat dont forget to through thos millions of afganis to the other side of pak af border.Recommend

  • Ali Khan
    Dec 7, 2011 - 8:02PM

    Very convenient for Karzai … He forgot his country is ravaged by the Talibans who can launch an attack very easily anywhere they want, but he blames Pakistan who welcomed over 2 millions Afghans as refugees….

    Oh and why should be take the words of an incompetent leader seriously in the first place!Recommend

  • hindustan ki shakti
    Dec 7, 2011 - 8:19PM

    @positive pakistani:
    Previously India held pakistan responsible for terrorist attacks.
    Then US & allies started blaiming pakistan,
    Now afghan pakistani’s brother start blaiming
    how long will u keep on denying. The day is not far when Pakistan will be declared a terrorist State.Only one voice will come from entire world that Pakistan sponsors terrorism.
    So It is high time when u should stop sponsoring terrorism

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  • ali
    Dec 7, 2011 - 8:25PM

    Crap…the blame game continues…he has nothing better to do..Recommend

  • Rational
    Dec 7, 2011 - 8:31PM

    @Afghan

    The training camps even if on our side, are from the other side. How can you blame Pakistan when it houses so many of your own people that you can’t afford to. The point here is that the sooner you see the divide and rule game and get rid of the common problem, the sooner both sides will be better off.

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  • JCD
    Dec 7, 2011 - 8:37PM

    @Afghan: Why is that when Pashtuns do something bad, they become Pakistanis, yet, on the other hand, you like to call these same Pakistani Pashtuns as “Afghans” any given day of the week?

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  • Babloo
    Dec 7, 2011 - 8:40PM

    Lashker-e-jhangvi of Pakistan, speaking through a spokesman in Pakistan, has already proudly claim responsibility for this ghastly, barbaric murders. So please introspect instead of blaming the Afghan victims.

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  • Truth
    Dec 7, 2011 - 8:49PM

    Yesterday there was a blast in Karzai kitchen, a pressure cooker containing Red kidney beans exploded- Afghan and Nato security forces have blamed ISI with some or little involvment from Taliban, that helped them to get into the kitchen.
    Good News is that President Karzai is safe. He was in bathroom when this loud explosion was heard. Whereas the female cook is injured and Red kidney beans can been seen on the roof and walls of the kitchen :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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  • Bangash
    Dec 7, 2011 - 8:51PM

    What is going on? Bomb’s blasted or attacken on innocent peoples and LEJ claimed its responsibilities openly. When i have seen the photo’s of innocent kids and women’s which has been martyred in kabul & i couldn’t controlled on myself. The only sin of those childrens and woman’s is that they were gathered to remember the great sacrifice of imam hussain(a.s) because of which all muslims can pray and recite the holy kalma tayabba freely.
    We all muslim are unit because our Allah is one, Muhammad(SAWS) is one and Quran is one then why we are fighting against each other.
    Who are these terrorist which are trying to divid muslims. What i am thinking they are not human and worst than animals who are doing such things.Recommend

  • Musalman
    Dec 7, 2011 - 8:51PM

    @Allahrakha:
    Wow … looks you were interpreter during the questioning of the monkey from the Pakistan side.

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  • R S JOHAR
    Dec 7, 2011 - 8:56PM

    Pakistan needs to take punitive action against LeJ who have killed hundreds of Shias in Pakistan itself and their involvement in Afghanistan killings cannot be ruled out even though not proved conclusively. Pakistan continues to flirt with the militant organisations for which they will have to pay a heavy price in the near future.

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  • maulanamasoood
    Dec 7, 2011 - 9:12PM

    Inshallah, We Have Crushed Infidels Again..Recommend

  • rk
    Dec 7, 2011 - 9:39PM

    muslims killing muslims…no problem…makes it easier for US …..

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  • Babakhan
    Dec 7, 2011 - 9:51PM

    Lots of Afghanis do not like to live in Afghanistan due to the inhuman environment. They are happier living in Pakistan and have adopted Pakistani nationality. They feel the sincere brotherly connection in Pakistan and can atleast earn their living and live like a human regardless of the current degraded general situation in Pakistan. They see hope in Pakistan and tyranny in Afghanistan. Pakistanis are compassionate humanbeings and understand the plight of their Afghan brother and sisters.
    Karzai needs to get realistic, take care of its people and stop hanging around the Indians whose main purpose is to cause chaos between Pakistan and Afghanistan in order to get a upper hand in the region. Karzai needs to wake up and stop using Pakistan as his scapegoat!!

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  • antanu
    Dec 7, 2011 - 9:54PM

    US, Afghanistan have found an escape goat in Pakistan……it does not need rocket science to understand their mindset….It is rather getting boring.

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  • Dec 7, 2011 - 9:55PM

    Has it ever happend in Afghanistan prior to foreign forces occupied Afghanistan.

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  • Dec 7, 2011 - 10:00PM

    @Abdullah:

    Here we go again, any bomb that kills shias, blame it on LeJ !!!

    Yes, the poor victimized LeJ….why should we blame them when their own spokesman came out to claim responsibility of this terrorist act, right?!

    Or that they have a history of brutal sectarian violence and known links to both the Taliban and Al Qaeda and have expanded out from their Jhang origins into Kurram and Quetta?

    See where your sympathies lie…

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  • Dec 7, 2011 - 10:20PM

    Many Afghan citizens in Quetta, Pakistan have been brutally killed by this Lashakr and no one from the Afghan govnt raised a voice! I believe if Afghanistan and the UN don’t take serious action against this Lashkar, they will definitely start religious wars in the area and the result would be indescribable!

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  • Fareeda malik
    Dec 7, 2011 - 10:20PM

    @ Afghan
    What a reward for accomodating millions of Afghans in Pakistan! Their 2nd generation is now growing up here .Its a fruitful policy: eat from Pakistan and then blame Pakistan. Afgans ,throughout history have not produced any good and services except fighting.

    As for as myth of ” not remaing under anyone” is concerned, there was no need of remaining under any rule. Taking money from British India and Tzar and Soviets simutanously was the best form of ghairat(honour).

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  • Syed
    Dec 7, 2011 - 10:43PM

    There are about 200 countries in the World, why people blame only Pakistan whenever there is a terror related incident, and not a pariah state like North Korea! ummm, scratching my head. Answer, 199 countries are jealous of state of our economy or pace of Pakistani development. Parisian can learn a thing or two from our perfumed cities. All our neighbours Chinese Afghans Iranian and Indians say that terror camps are in Pakistan, how dare they, people it is question of have and have nots, atleast we have things which others don’t. Let me bury my head in the sand and start rants, CIA MOSSAD RAW chinese women etc. Talk about self denial.

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  • Mirza
    Dec 7, 2011 - 10:57PM

    Karzai is wrong. LeJ and such organizations love Shia. That is why there is so much love for Shia in such Whabi organizations. These are only welfare organizations to help the poor people. How can anybody even think about relating them to terrorism and killing? The news that LeJ spokeman claimed responsibility is a conspiracy against Islam by the CIA, RAW and Jews. Pakistan needs more of such organizations. Pakistan Zindabad!

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  • Grace
    Dec 7, 2011 - 11:04PM

    @Afghan: Frankly , Pakistan and Pakistanis are sickof the Afghani lame game. Whenever there is a problem in Afghanistan, they take the cue from their Indian allies and blame Pakistan. When different races and people already hate each other, why blame Pakistan? When historically Persian speaking Tajiks hate Uzbeks, hate Southern Pakhtuns hate Turkmen- why do you people blame Pakistan? When we see Sunni Afghani refugees refuse to eat with Shia Afghani refugees, why blame Pakistan? You people use this as an excuse to cover your own problems in Afghanistan. Why can’t you take all your Afghani refugees to India or to the West where they can join the other asylum seekers? Pakistan should just build a big wall to keep out all Afghanis period.

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  • Dec 7, 2011 - 11:24PM

    While naming the right group is important, it’s a bit insane for the Afghan government to exonerate the Taliban (because of their own historic sectarian cleansing of Hazaras and oppression of any Shia processions) and equally absurd, yet telling, defensive over-reactions by Pakistanis who are taking offense when a criminal organization like LeJ is named, a known anti-Shia criminal terrorist organization based in Pak with connections to both the Taliban and Al Qaeda and the Punjab government. Recommend

  • Chal Hut
    Dec 7, 2011 - 11:43PM

    Any time in Afghanistan, some one sneezes, coughs, burps or has constipation . . . .blame it on Pakistan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Arsalan khan
    Dec 7, 2011 - 11:52PM

    Afghanistan is a geographical misfortune for Pakitan. Infact it is a geographical curse..Afghans have been shedding blood for last thousands of years and will keep on doing so. Pakistan will have to produce wheat, ghee, meat and what not for them.Their women and children will always be Pakistan’s liability. Afghans will never have colleges, universities and industries. Thugs like Hameed Gul and Qazi Husain Ahmad will keep on “”inspiring”” them to fight.And they will keep on fighting.
    India is lucky to be away from Afghan border.Pakistan must get rid of Afghan refugees. Why these people who believe in big Honour , should be a libility of Pakistan and for how long?????

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  • sam
    Dec 8, 2011 - 12:03AM

    @maulanamasood: If you really mean what you said in your post, then Shame on you. Such thinking has no place in a decent civilised society, Only Allah SWT can determine who is an Infidel and only Allah SWT can judge them. We cannot start killing or maiming people with whose views we do not agree. That is a one way street to total anarchy.

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  • JustAnotherPakistani
    Dec 8, 2011 - 12:39AM

    As one who’s ever read anything I’ve written will know my unequivocal condemnation of all acts of terrorism. What intrigues me here is how does Karzai know, with such certainty, that the bomber was a Pakistani member of LEJ? Does Karazi maintain a database of DNA of all Pakistani terrorists? And was he/she carrying an ID card that identified him as a member of LEJ, which luckily didn’t get incinerated in the blast? It’s so easy to demonize your neighbor Mr. Karzai – please show some restraint even if goodwill is beyond you.

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  • Awais
    Dec 8, 2011 - 12:42AM

    Why is it that whenever anything happens in the entire world, it is blamed on Pakistan??? Ever thought of the idea that may be we are are actually involved in it or a few of us are at least???? I mean, come on, the whole world can’t be a bunch of liars trying to dismantle our great country…….

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  • rehmat
    Dec 8, 2011 - 12:51AM

    @wahab haider: “i dont know why foriegn office is quiet at karzai statements”

    Since LeJ has claimed responsibility and proven Karzai right – the denial office in FO was unable to kick into action.

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  • Awais
    Dec 8, 2011 - 12:57AM

    @Jameel
    What does Pashtun or any ethnicity have to do with it??? Don’t u know that LeJ is headquartered in Jhang(Punjab) and its recruits are anti-shiite youngsters from all around the country??? God, at ur ignorance….

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  • Yasser
    Dec 8, 2011 - 1:00AM

    @ Tehreek-e-Insaf FATA
    Lovely and very logical comment. I hope this Ostrich Karzai (Well quoted by Musharraf) could talk and act with brain otherwise he will definately see the hand of Ajmal Kasaab in it.
    I wish Pakistan could take the similar amount of time in the investgation that ISAF, NATO and Afghanistan government is taking upon NATO’s brutal killing of our 24 soilders.

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  • narayana murthy
    Dec 8, 2011 - 1:46AM

    @Truth

    You are laughing so much at your lame joke which you think is intelligent sarcasm.

    For all I care, it could be Taliban responsible for blowing up the Pressure cooker containing red kidney beans in Karzai’s kitchen. Perhaps, trained by ISI, and hence failed to kill Karzai.

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  • narayana murthy
    Dec 8, 2011 - 1:46AM

    @Truth

    You are laughing so much at your lame joke which you think is intelligent sarcasm.

    For all I care, it could be Taliban responsible for blowing up the Pressure cooker containing red kidney beans in Karzai’s kitchen. Recommend

  • Hazara Khan
    Dec 8, 2011 - 1:59AM

    his is one of the most grieving incident after Mastung incident on Hazaras of Quetta. Eighty people lost their lives and many lost their dear ones. Let me remind all comment-ers, opinion holders, people who are playing conspiracy theories on the cost of lives of innocent Hazaras, politicians and international communities around the world that,

    “A system or country can not exist for long without justice”

    Today Hazaras are the symbol of the most oppressed nation in the world. History will remember all those who have involvement in these massacres as tyrant and inhuman. Moreover, Hazaras all around the world will keep up the slogan of humanity and islamic brotherhood. Recommend

  • Hu Jintao
    Dec 8, 2011 - 2:52AM

    The Mayor of Kabul is paranoid freak.

    does he even know what goes outside his palace?

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  • khattak
    Dec 8, 2011 - 3:48AM

    Too much love of Pakistan, has stopped fucntioning of the brain of Pakistanis. Most of comments sounds like defending LEJ & other terrorists. Thats is the collective brain disease of Pakistanis, well on its way to become a terrorist country leaving behind North Korea, Khmer Rouge etc. The facts are that LeJ International has accepted the responsibility by calling BBC Urdu Service. LeJ is creation of ISI.

    To those Pakistanis who thinks they are honorable guest of Afghan refugees, think again. Afghan refugess have been source of very precious foreign exchange to the tune of $3 billion per year in its peak time. It have now decreased to around $1 Billion. Pakistanis can not afford to provide food to IDPs & flood efectees, how can they give anything to Afghan refugess. Secondly, Afghan are living in Pashtoon areas of Pakistan, which is their home anyway, so they are not refugess at all. They are living on their motherland with their Pashtoon & Balooch brothers. I remember when I was working for UNHCR, an Army Colonel told me that Pakistans are stealing 75% money & other donated stuff that was meant for Afghan refugess. Beggers has nothing to give anyway.

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  • Mard-e-Haq
    Dec 8, 2011 - 4:42AM

    @ Ali Khan

    It is not Afghanistan alone that is ravaged. Look at Pakistan

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  • afghandia
    Dec 8, 2011 - 5:28AM

    Afghans need to be deported, the border heavily sealed and controlled, and the durand line made into a permanent secured border. No more “lets be nice to our afghan brothers and sisters.” if they decide to stay then do a background check and give them the choice of citizenship in the future or deport them or atleast issue them nadra cards.

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  • Hyper Ali
    Dec 8, 2011 - 5:43AM

    @saeed: Wow so now Afghan’s have new master ?….hmmm……I like the idea that Pakistan which has always been slave to USA and / or China is choosing who would be master of Afghanistan.

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  • Hyper Ali
    Dec 8, 2011 - 5:46AM

    @Pakistani: And you are just the matter of the nuclear fallout from the bomb you drop in Afghanistan. Seriously ?? You are using nuclear threat ?????

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  • J Stewart
    Dec 8, 2011 - 6:21AM

    One glance at the comments here and you would think Pakistan is Switzerland. A peaceful nation that wants to live in harmony with the world. The delusions are deeper than I ever imagined. Not a good sign at all.Recommend

  • Amit
    Dec 8, 2011 - 8:21AM

    I don’t know why the article left out the key fact that LeJ has claimed responsibility.

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  • Khattak sab
    Dec 8, 2011 - 9:58AM

    This scenario makes more sense: Possibly ‘RAW financed Afghani terrrorist’ created the blast and then informed Karzai who was peacefully resting in his gaurded fortress pointing finger at Pakistan.
    Do they not have better things to do then to kill and create blasts in Afghanistan just so they can falsely blame Pakistan??

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  • M Bilal
    Dec 8, 2011 - 10:02AM

    @Mahesh Patil: Not your fault, its actually the PPP led govt. in Pakistan that is trying its best to assure outsiders of the same. Anyways, we the Pakistanis are very confident of the turnaround and see Imran Khan as the leader.

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  • M Bilal
    Dec 8, 2011 - 10:16AM

    @Allahrakha: Yes indeed Islam is the religion of peace and doesn’t allow such acts of inhumanity… however, its also a fact that there all kinds of people in the religion and few ill minded can take steps of brutality as was the scenario in case of Samjhota Express blast and Malegaon blast in India carried on my Saffron terrorist, belonging to the so called most tolerant religion Hinduism and most tolerant country India… Further, I am sure Pak establishment has lot more sources of gaining information about RAW & MOSSAD then the monkey that you mentioned so just chill, that monkey was not of much use to us.

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  • lion heart
    Dec 8, 2011 - 10:17AM

    @Pakistani:

    You aint very diffrent from the Indian side. maybe 2 or 3 But we i am sure they have enough to nuke Pakistan that there is no one alive to launch a counter attack.

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  • M Bilal
    Dec 8, 2011 - 10:22AM

    @Afghan: The same Hamid Karzai also claims some time (perhaps when not intoxicated) that Pak is the most brotherly country of Afghanistan and bla bla… How could you believe one guy who has so much variations in his statements? Further, can one email or phone call, that too without any proofs of its genuineness, be considered as evidence?

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  • Syed
    Dec 8, 2011 - 11:41AM

    Thank you President Karzai, even if I am not Afghan still this pictured warmed my heart, your assuring gesture made me not loose my faith in humanity, as well as there are good people in this World, it is place worth living. There is a saying in our language, the best present a human can give to his fellow humans is, assurance or love. Once again thank you Sir.

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  • Nazimuddin Khan
    Dec 8, 2011 - 12:11PM

    @faraz: U dope! It was the other way round; more than 2000 taliban were massacred by Northern Uzbek warlord, Abdul Malik Pahlawan. There is no evidence,ANYWHERE, of the Tabs massacrin any shias in Mazar.

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  • Peace
    Dec 8, 2011 - 1:22PM

    @Nazimuddin khan, well there may not be newspaper cuttings, but when i was grazing my cows an Afghan shephard boasted to me, that he participated in massacre of Shia in Mizar, according to him Talibans like him shot dead 1100 Shia unarmed men, when they took control of that place, you are right after Talibans were defeated with NATO’s help, locals took revenge on Pakistani Taliban.

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  • sushant
    Dec 8, 2011 - 3:23PM

    @saeed: Y u people always think all world blames Pakistan…Instead of playing denial game see inside urself….

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  • Afghan
    Dec 8, 2011 - 4:24PM

    I have to scrutinize my every single comment twice before I post it on ET. Because, ET has a special allergy with my comments as I am Afghan, may be. Most of my comments do not make it to appear on ET.

    But here, you see @maulanamassod comment. ET has space for such people.Recommend

  • M Bilal
    Dec 8, 2011 - 4:28PM

    @J Stewart: Its the common people of Pakistan that you are countering here. Delusion is rather what you think of Pakistan, courtesy media.

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  • Bhaloo
    Dec 8, 2011 - 9:52PM

    India will never let peace to grow in that region as its goal is to use Afghanistan as its launching pad for terror and then quickly and very conveniently point finger at Pakistan. . . . . this is India’s best business practice.

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  • Dec 9, 2011 - 8:13AM

    @Afghan: what does it means to allow bases to US on afghan’s soil

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  • Dec 9, 2011 - 8:21AM

    @Afghan: As a pushtoon i will say that all this game is played, my dear, by foriegn agencies on our soil. while we blame one another. becareful of the enemies desires.

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