According to Mashriq (October 12, 2011), Pakistan’s pace bowler, Sohail Tanvir, got married (nikah) to a doctor but immediately after the wedding, his former wife, Nosheen appeared on the scene saying he had secretly married her earlier and, had a daughter with her and had not taken permission under law from her for his second marriage. There is a one year prison sentence for violating the law based on an old ordinance. The clergy of Karachi’s powerful Banuri Mosque rallied to his defence: he did not need to ask his first wife before marrying again.
There is little consciousness of ethic in us because of the way we understand our religion. It deals with piety through worship. Once attained, piety is supposed to ensure ethical conduct. Therefore, religiosity is what we emphasise and practise it to make others believe that we also observe ethic. Let us see what ethic is in essence. Ethic has nothing to do with worship or religious morality. It is described by work and work is described by contract. Simply put, if you are selling a bottle of pills and the label on the bottle says there are a hundred pills in it, then this label is your contract. If the pills are short by any number, you have breached your contract. You are thus guilty of unethical behaviour.
The modern state separated religious morality from ethics and legislated on the basis of the latter. What you do with regard to demands of piety is not the business of the state. Any penal code is the repository of ethic. Only a religious state will make its constitution demand piety, as ours does in some of its articles. Protestantism in the 16th century broke from Rome because it saw religiosity overriding the socially more important requirement of ethic. You could actually buy exemption from the Church of Rome! The ritual of Hajj does that job for us; even a qawwali can do it to some extent. And the cricket team can buy exemption by praying in public and by doing prostrations on the pitch.
Max Weber’s book The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism (1930) is a world classic. It is significant in our discussion because it talks of the work ethic. He thought that ethic as a judgement on the fulfilment of contract came only after the Protestants had broken from the Roman Catholic Church and its sacramental authority. Deprived of spiritual reliance, they instead developed a social system Francis Fukuyama, an American political scientist, political economist and author, equates with trust. Weber had separated the Protestant northern Europe from Roman Catholic southern Europe in the application of his theory, saying that the economic integrity of the south would always be less sound. Today, most Roman Catholic societies are less economically competent than non-Catholic ones.
Sin is a private act; a breach of ethic is a crime and has a retarding effect on society. In the religious state of Pakistan, sin and crime are conflated. A man with a bottle of wine in his car is a criminal; so is the robber who breaks into your house and rapes your wife. The sinner is scared and unarmed; the criminal is violent and armed. The police will prefer to go after the sinner because it is safer. A breach of ethic is not considered worthy of note.
Published in The Express Tribune, December 4th, 2011.
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There are many Hindus, myself included, who do not consider cow slaughter a sin and relish beef.
@Jack: Wrong again. Hinduism has everything to do with God. Hinduism is a culture, a path to self realization, a values-based mode of existing, a philosophy, a personal attitude, a knowledge corpus, and a technology for reaching/cognizing the Divine. it is all of the above. Please, enough! You are in love with your own words.
@Saif Rehman: Brilliant answers to a dumb query! Thank you on behalf of all sane people.
@Jack: //I reiterate my point that ethics alone cannot inspire religion, because most religions have the largely same secular ethical concept (do no evil), and so why would someone create a new religion when the existing one has the same basic foundation//
No. Erroneous syllogism. Most religions do not have the largely same "secular ethical concept (do no evil)"; if they did there would be no conflict between them. They do not even have the same assumptions about what is "evil." By the way, "do no evil" is an injunction, not an ethical concept. The religions of the world do not support identical ethics even if one chooses to see ethics as a "secular code of morality." And who ever said that "ethic alone" inspires religion? When i say that ethics are the inspiration for religion, i do not mean it in a literal sense that people turn religious when they are inspired to be ethical but rather in the figurative sense that various religions incorporate sundry ethical principles as their foundation and, as a corollary, religion attempts to implicitly encourage a certain ethicality in the practising subject. If you had read my words carefully, you would not have attributed overdetermined meanings and purport to them. Anyway, looks like you have expressed yourself more clearly in your new response.
atanyu.... Also, is hurting parents feelings a sin or crime...shall we imprison people for not obeying their parents.
Antanu, how would you interpret cow slaughter in India...Sin, virtue or crime? it is sin for hindus, virtue for muslims, and crime if done in public to enrage hindus? how can you say sin and crime are the same thing?
@antanu, you are a true believer.
@Homa: You are mixing up my words - that is what creates the fuzzy logic. I did not say that ethics was a secular version of religious morality - I don't even know what that means. I said that ethics is the secular code of morality, and thus not subject to differences arising from man-made divisions - like culture, language and religion. Possibly one change that I would make is replace 'good and evil' with 'right and wrong'. I reiterate my point that ethics alone cannot inspire religion, because most religions have the largely same secular ethical concept (do no evil), and so why would someone create a new religion when the existing one has the same basic foundation? However, when you bring the divisive factors (concept of the 'other') into play, then religion becomes the envelope and the definition of right and wrong depends on who you apply it to. This is possibly the reason that Hinduism (or whatever you want to call it) has become a religion only after the advent of other religions - till then it was just a part of culture, and we both know that it had very little to do with God.
@Ali Tanoli: There is no such thing as "eastern truth" or "western truth". Truth doesn't need any qualification. It exists on its own strength.Try respecting it.
@MD: I agree with you completely, what you said about wisdom and truth, and not confining it.
@MD: Yes, Osho's book "From Sex to Superconsciousness" is a great book.I read it. It's the only book by him which I have read. I think its the same as ‘Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Or' which you mention.
sin and crime are one and the same aspect. hurting other peoples feelings is a sin...then how it is different from crime when crime also hurts people?
@Homa, Thank u for saying that MD message was for me but i do agree with both of u and my point was is there no body left in eastren culture who might have said that same thing which Mr Khalid quated for us????? @Jack I agreed sir your point.
@Dear Homa, My post was consciously directed at you, because, I believe you are an Indian, that too as expected, a brilliant one. I am also an Indian and felt a little uncomfortable about your endorsement of the comment posted by "our friend".,as you described him. The great Indian names you mentioned in your first post do not need anybody's further approval or admiration, they are the gems of the east. You, perhaps, forgot to include the names of ones ( not your fault as there are so many) with epitome of wisdom such as Lord Buddha, Lord Mahavira and of course, the great sage Veda Vyasa and innumerable others. My point is we shouldn't be confining truth or wisdom to any particular section of humanity as "our friend" in his nativity tried to do. One more thing, I was impressed when you included the name osho which many in our own country, particularly, the commies wants us to hate the great departed soul Acharya Rajneesh. I live in the city where he lived and spread his message of love. I recommend you to read his writings and teachings. As a young man I was attracted to him when I read his translated hindi version of a book titled 'Sambhog Se Samdhi Ki Our". But, I am not his follower anymore and I cannot answer the questions like why and how, because this is not the right forum. All I can briefly tell you that, I am a Jainist now, a follower of Lord Mahavira, a propounder of rationalism.
@gt: My own view is that the "Golden Rule" (doing unto others what you would like to be done to you and conversely, and perhaps more imporatntly, not doing unto others what you would not like done to you) would be a very appropriate starting point for a unifying calculus to resolve / denounce the ambiguities, incongruencies and the glaring gaps between the four categories that you have enumerated: ethics, morality, justice and religion. You put it very well. As Jack points out however, the golden rule can only be appreciated and applied by evolved and enlightened societies, where an ethical mode of being is already in place, both at the individual and at the collective levels. When we remove the "important differentiators between religions and their adherents" that Jack refers to, the myth of the "other" falls apart. Religious morality creates the "myth of the other," while ethics cancel the prejudices and the social decline associated with with such divisions. I therfore support ethics and the culture of enlightenement as opposed to divisive, corrupt and anachronistic socio-religious moral codes.
@R.A: If the answer to the question of what is a true Muslims was from whose hands other PEOPLE are safe and he does not harm them by hand or words, the world would be a much better place.
@Jack: Mixing up of words and concepts creates fuzzy logic. Ethics is not a secular version of religious morality and neither does it set out to resolve binaries such as good and evil. It certainly is inspiration for religion in asmuch as it serves as a "foundation on which the religious moral code is constructed."
@Homa: Here I don't really agree with you entirely. Ethics is nothing more than a secular code of morality - dealing with what constitutes good and evil (pretty much black and white) and what to do in such a context. These are the elements that are common to most religions - and are found embedded in religious moral codes that spring up to address the grey areas that lie between - which can be described as normative ethics. It is rarely an inspiration for religion (since it is common across most), but often serves as the foundation on which the religious moral code is constructed. However, the more detailed and all-encompassing the ideology that serves as the reference for a moral code, the more we move towards a narrow view of what constitutes morality in that society (away from secular ethics). @gt: The Golden rule only applies on an individual basis, not in entire societies where the 'other' is clearly defined - because then you have different rules for different people. It cannot therefore become a unifying calculus without removing important differentiators between religions and their adherents, which vested interests will strive to prevent.
A very nice write up. It is time we differentiate between a sin and a crime. We have mixed them up a little too much. A person not fasting in Ramzan is looked at with more disdain than a person selling fake lifesaving drugs. A person possessing a bottle of wine is punished while a person accepting/offering bribe is considered normal. We need to sort out our priorities. Distortion of ethical values is infact distortion of religious values. Who will preach us that?
@gt: Loved your post. Very good exposition of slavery, its origins and manifestations. Thank you.
@MD: Did you misread me? I think you meant that for our friend Ali Tanoli :)
@gt: Thank you. Much appreciated :)
@Jack: Good to see you too, friend. I couldn't agree with you more. You have presented extremely valid points and made some very useful distinctions.
@gt: I think your examples from history powerfully underscore the point that conventional "morality" has nothing to do with ethics or what would be deemed ethical behavior. Morality and ethics are two different things. Morality is a contrived or constructed code of conduct, shaped by the dominant cultural, social and religious ideologies of a time and place. The "ethical" on the other hand, is a timeless universal value or principle (however elusive it may be), and not a construct. Is is actually, in fact, the inspiration for religion. It has universal and timeless relevance and applicability as its lowest common denominator and is predicated not on a religious conscience but a pure and noble human consciousness. "Moral" or religious people are not necessarily ethical, or (even unethical for that matter) but using morality to regulate a society leads to corruption, conflict, rapacity and greed, abuse and misuse of power, and social disharmony. A society that privileges ethics is more likely to be one where human decency, social harmony and cohesiveness, respect for others, fairness, peace, creativity, intelligence, various freedoms (including religious freedom) and prosperity prevail. Your examples prove that religiously inspired "moral" people have done the most horrible and evil things in history, especially in the monotheistic traditions. Whether they used "morality" as a crutch or not, their behavior was nevertheless unethical, a breach of the human contract. Thank you for your ideas and for raising some very good points.
thanks Khalid Sahib for being such a moderate person.
I have been following Khaled Saheb's articles since many years. He has an excellent understanding of Religion and Society... Well done ... Khaled Saheb
Recently a question was asked to a scholar Who is a true Muslim Beautiful answer gaven was From whoes hands other Muslims are safe and he does not harm them by hand or words
Can I ask Banoris if Tanvirs first wife was not harmed or which one of them is not a true Muslim
.This is one the best articles of Khalid sahib. Thanks for writing such a wonderful piece. You can be a good person without following any religion, but, without ethics a man is worse than an animal. @Homa, It is not important who said, the important thing is what he/she wrote or said. The writer's race, religion and gender is totally irrelevant.
Excellent. Greatly appreciate.
Great article Khaled Saheb and well said @home and @gt.
everything mentioned in this article is true, but arguing about ethics and religion is a moot point. there is a broader paucity of moral thought - where basic acknowledgement of right and wrong is completely missing, compounded by utter lawlessness and lack of justice. identifying the problem is a large part of the solution.
@sonia A Letter Concerning Toleration by John Locke http://www.constitution.org/jl/tolerati.htm
@Homa: Good to see you again! I think you have made your points in a very succint manner - but the issues that Khalid sahab is referring to are germaine only to muslims, who view the Holy Quran as a complete code for jurisprudence, social conduct and morality doctrines - not open to debate or abrogation. I do not think this was the case in the Dark ages in Europe; the writer is correct in stating that one could purchase absolution for crimes committed, but this had nothing to do with interpreting the bible to divine (pun intended) the rationale for conviction, i.e. the holy book was not the source of law. The Protestants were no less religious than the Catholics (probably more so in fact) and their argument was with the Catholic church (as a power centre) and not the application of Christianity in their running their lives (Example - the Salem witch trials were largely crimes against religion and the punishments rather severe). The main problem that Islam faces today is that even moderates cannot argue that certain parts of their holy book need to be ignored (as not keeping with the times), and agree on which those parts would be. But that would put the entire Sharia system into jeopardy, and upset many an apple cart in the Islamic world. @Ali Tanoli Good to see you too! There are many good books written by Muslims and Hindus (rather a wide field you agree), but my recommendations may not match your taste in literature. Adios.
A masterpiece of an article Khalid Sahib, Bohat aalah!
The religious and the rationalist have opposing epistemological resources to have recourse to establish the truth of their arguments . The religious will refer to scripture and associated writings and the secular will refer to reason / logic and to cause and effect . Proponents of religion say that a religious person can not be unethical because being so is breach of faith and it involves answerability to God that there can not be greater deterrant than God 's displeasure , while the rationalist say violation of social ethics is a breach of social contract and that it should have consequences for its redressal here and now . The controversy was settled in 12th century when Imam Ghazali wrote Incoherence of Philosopher and rebuttle did not work out . If some one more knowledgeable could provide greater clarity on the issue raised in the article .
Your article has made soooooooo many questions pop up in my mind!!!!
do u believe that piety and religion should be left out of legislature? since u mention and elaborate on protestants.
If u really think so- what is your idea of legislature for an Islamic country? and where does ethic fit in for a Islamic country?
Looking forward to ur reply.
Excellent article ! Thanks for painstakingly highlighting the differences between ethics, sin and crime. Sin is a private assault on ones own conscience and may not impact the state. Crime will impact the state because when individuals break the social contract affecting the wider population, LAW AND ORDER is affected.
In pursue of originality of Islam; backing the revivalists, the majority of Muslims have never tolerated moderation and succeeded in declaring Islam to be a state's religion. Since then, the complication began, and the dominants to be Muslims, started interpretation of every affairs of the state from their narrow perception, devoid of modern human doctrine. Consequently, the sin and crime; private and social affairs are intermingled where sinner is put to harsh penalty, while the criminal is given exemption, leading to foster an intolerant society, where imagining peace appears to be daydream. This is of course the ethical degradation. Every well thought off person is held responsible for standing and fighting this menace.
You are the most wise man, and eagerly wait for your articles..and excellent comparison of exsumption from Roman Catholic Church with Hajj among muslims... !
For Pakistanis, religion has reduced to a ritual and a cover for the worst sectarian, intolerant, xenophobic, paranoid, supremacist, violent, and sexist impulses. The most heinous crimes of murder and torture imaginable are deemed acceptable when the brutal perpetrators cloth themselves in a religious mantle. Yet true spirituality seems entirely absent in this vicious display.
This is great piece of advise, Khalid Sahib much appreciatetd.
@Ali Tanoli: your point about references to eastern writers is valid. Writings by hindu philosophers such as vivekananda, swami dayanand, ramanujan, swami chinmayananda, sri sri ravi shankar, swami sivananda, sri aurobindo, dr radhakrishnan, and osho etc will enrich our understanding of such sociocultural issues and elevate our intellectual faculties at the collective level, but the question is their books and writings are probably not easily available in pakistan. The essence of mr. khaled ahmed's message however is what is important here but I do agree with you that our south asian intelligentsia needs to be more conversant with our indegenous south asian philosophical systems, sankhya and vedanta in particular.
@Ali Tanoli please tell me any enlightening writer of subcontinent.
Dear Khalid Saheb,
I am a great admirer of your essays. However, like the one on the etymology of "jug" and "jagat" in Hindi and Sanskrit, this piece on "ethic" and "ethics" might need to be examined from multiple perspectives, and pursued in more than a single essay.
You have emphasized the work ethic from the aspect of the law of contracts, the transactional integrity between humans sustaining society. I am sure you have taken the time to study and understand the various sub-sects of Protestantism, e.g. Calvinism, the Dutch post 1630, the American Puritans, John Wesley, and the evolution of the Quakers from to Abraham Darby.
I refer you to historical accounts of the slave trade in Africa. It originated with the Arabs, and remains true with them to this day, e.g. Northern Sudan. We do not know the numbers or the horrors visited by this group of worthies over the ages. However, we DO HAVE a rough estimate of the number of WEST AFRICAN humans removed for the purpose of slavery, captured by their African peers, but purchased and transported primarily on ships manned and owned by very religious Protestants. Over 250 years, 12 million living Africans were landed in North & South America, combined. You may refer to the evidence provided in
The Columbian Exchange: Biological and Cultural Consequences of 1492 by Alfred W. Crosby, 1972.
The Columbian Voyages, the Columbian Exchange, and Their Historians by Alfred W. Crosby, 1987.
It is estimated, very conservatively, by the author, that for every live slave landed, a minimum of 2 perished on the way, in the holds of ships. Add to that the loss of life involved in the initial capture, trauma, illness in the holding pens, marketing/auction stalls, and you can draw your own picture.
In addition to the above, I urge you to read the books to get a feel for what happened to the natives of South America.
In the same vein,
The Portuguese Empire in Asia, 1500-1700 by Sanjay Subrahmanyam (1993, Hardcover): A Political and Economic History Sanjay Subrahmanyam 1993
Improvising Empire: Portuguese Trade and Settlement in the Bay of Bengal, 1500-1700 by Sanjay Subrahmanyam 1991
I offer these references to help you arrive at your own conclusions, but also to substantiate my claims.
Here are a very religious people, American Puritan ship captains, owners and sailors, all dead against slavery in their own society but very happy and active to profit by it, for over 200 years! How does ethic and ethics come into play against natural law and morality in this instance? I am not going to judge another time and society by my own values, but would be interested to understand how you perceive these complex, interwoven issues.
Thank you.
Excellent. Sin and crime need to be separated if we want a society and state that are not diseased. Sin should be seen as a matter concering the private or personal being. Crime is what comes under the social or collective domain and should be brought under the purview of ethics. Sin needs to be decriminalized, crime (defined as breach of ethic) should be penalized. Religion should not be used to determine what consitutes crime. Reason and human values should be the defining standard for ethics based legislation. Hope your ideas gain currency in your society. You are a beacon of light.
@Dear Khalid sahab, I am wodering is there no writer left in eastren world whom books u peoples can give ref for i been reading many articles in E,T but never seen any ref by some muslim or Hindus guys who wrote a book. ???? or may be u guys dont bothers to give value to them maybe... all ways some westren writers ..............