Iran used the border with Iraq — made porous by eight years of war with Saddam Hussein — to infiltrate Shia warriors trained in Iran. Pakistan used the Pakistan-Afghanistan border historically porous — because of its non-acceptance — to infiltrate Taliban and al Qaeda warriors. Iran allowed al Qaeda the facility of its terrain to transit from Pakistan to Iraq. The Iranian plan was to back the Shia community of Iraq whose population was divided three ways: Shia, Sunni and non-Arab Kurd. Pakistan backed the Pashtuns in Afghanistan whose population was divided three ways: Pashtun, Tajik-Uzbek and Shia Hazara.
America went into Iraq with the declared aim of spreading democracy in the Middle East. Iran was a religious state next door and had trained Shia warriors from Iraq on its soil against the scourge of the Shia, Saddam Hussein. America wanted to ‘reinstate’ the communities brutalised by Saddam Hussein: Shias and Kurds. America went into Afghanistan to reinstate the communities brutalised by the Pashtun-based Taliban government. Through elections it brought the Shia community to power in Iraq, negating democracy through a three-way ‘frozen vote’. In Afghanistan, it empowered the non-Pashtun; a Hazara became vice-president in Kabul.
Iran sheltered Shias and Kurds and fielded them in Iraq against America. Pakistan sheltered Taliban and al Qaeda in its safe havens and loosed them on the occupying America force in Afghanistan. In Iraq the Sunni backlash against the Shia was assisted by Saudi Arabia across the Syrian border. In Afghanistan, the Taliban crossed the Durand Line and targeted the ‘puppet regime’ and American troops. The big leaders it sheltered were Mullah Umar, Osama bin Laden and al Zawahiri. Iran had sheltered Ibrahim al Jafari, prime minister in 2004. He spent ten years in Iran during Iran-Iraq War.
Iraqi firebrand Shia leader Muqtada al Sadr confronted the Sunni onslaught with his Mahdi Army from the suburbs of Baghdad and never reconciled to American occupation because of heavy Iranian financial and political help. Sadr received an estimated $70 million in 2004 from Iran. In January this year, he made a surprise return to Iraq, ending nearly four years of self-imposed exile in Iran, ready to fill the power vacuum created by the American departure. Iran wants its national security ensured in Iraq; Pakistan wants its national security ensured in Afghanistan. Iran has made a lot of headway in ensuring that post-American power vacuum is filled by its proteges. Pakistan is positioning itself in such a way that after the Americans leave Afghanistan, Islamabad is able to call the shots in Kabul.
Both Iran and Pakistan have used terrorism as a policy instrument. The carnage has been most savage in both states, based on sect and ethnicity. Iran used non-state actors against the Soviet Union and America but kept them in quarantine; but Pakistan allowed its terrorists to penetrate its civil society and is now paying a price for it.
There are differences too in how Iran and Pakistan have reacted to trouble nextdoor. These differences have led to different internal results. The defeated party is known; there are no victors.
Published in The Express Tribune, October 9th, 2011.
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@David Salmon: yes US defeated Saddam...and the cost? Over a million innocent lives. If this is success...its better to loose.
@Hassan:
Alas, PTI Troll, I achieve what I want :D
Mr. Khaled,
When did Mullah Omar become a terrorist?
And why did you not declare Davis a terrorist? Was it because he was a CIA contractor?
Let's get it straight Pilgrims....
The US went into Iraq to 'steal the oil.' The US/NATO 'oil thiefs' went into Libya to 'steal the oil.' The US/EU went into Kosovo to 'steal a piece of Serbia' and also to 'steal' an oil line route to the EU. The US/NATO 'bandits' went into Georgia to faciliatte a route for a Caspian oil/gas line to the EU - But, of course, the Russians said 'No!'
As for speading 'democracy' - what democracy?
@Pervez Bilgrami, Totaly agreed thank u sir and one more thing i wanna ad here thats a reason we get lot of problems in pakistan we need change like iran too and one last thing in tehran one can find sunni mosque in building structure and u know what they call tehran city vatican of shias.
@Oh I get it!: WRONG ADVISE,PAKISTAN DOES NOT HAVE OIL .besde other things.
@John B: You know your basic facts and are mostly in ball park ,for man by name John B.Good work.Keep it up.
@Shahid Jamil: You have a point,the column is too simplestic,but then you have to remember, it is column not a book.This one of the reason my write up take,long, and write in very simple English and in little more detail,not there is no alternetive narretive, taking risk,it is hard on eyes and few people will digest, and on one point. We have to remember,all major earth moving decision of war are taken by major leader,in modern times,are by Presidents,P.M. and by their handful advisers, in private with not much public debate.who are political leaders with power retaination as the main goal.,and driving motive,history is not their main strong asset or keen knowledge..Society,civilian,culture, are aftermath, are after thought.The blunders s in Indo-Pak division,Iraq,Vietnam,Arab-Israeli ,Kashmir,Afghan war and all conflits have roots in miscalculation,poor people and their welfare are far from the mind of deciders of War or Peace.It is my theory,humans by nature are self centerd,cruel,greedy and calous,all the talk of democracy,religion,God general welfare are for gullible and for masses.I realize,it is cynical and unethical way to live,I will readily concede and agree,but on individual level we can all live a life of purpose, virtue,moral,rightious and even religious,though last mentioned is not a must.Society,matures,and after many ups and down,sometime they are lucky and fortunate enough to make course correction and finally get it done,this has been the history of most civilization.This has been very much the history of mankind,I hope this m.o. holds good for the people of Sub-Continent and for Pakistan.Thanks
I beg to differ. The US was not defeated in Iraq: we defeated and captured Saddam; we defeated and eliminated most of Al Qaeda in Iraq; we pacified the country and turned it over to an independent, ostensibly democratic Iraqi government. It took us awhile to get it right, but we did. The US has not been defeated in Afghanistan: we drove Al Qaeda and most of the Taliban out of Afghanistan; we have largely neutralized the Taliban militarily in southern Afghanistan; our special operations forces have killed many Taliban, Haqqani and al Qaeda leaders. We lost five years and the initial gains by diverting our forces and attention to Iraq, but we have applied the lessons of Iraq in Afghanistan and are making progress. No, we are not done. Nor, imho, are we leaving until we can leave behind a pacified, ostensibly democratic country free of Taliban power. Those of you who think Obama, come what may, is intent on an early withdrawal are much mistaken. To turn over the country again to the Taliban would be to permit terrorism and murder, the oppression of women, the destruction of education, and general barbarism.
Good comprasion,lesson forthe great power,how she was used by the samall states.
@John B: dear few points to be noted!!! Iran Has Jundulla in sistan balochistan Iran has PJAK in Kordistan Iran is full of sectarian decease but thre theocratic regime curb the minority sects well Pakistan had & has many ethnic and religious minorities on top positions Iran has none(after 79 revolution) as far as friendship and enmity of US is concerned both are harmful for a sovereign nation and Pakistan is not Arab by any means they are mix of Indo -Iranian (south Asian) and central Asian.
Looks logical if one wears western spectacles but illogical if uses eastern vision...
Another point to note, that unlike Pakistan Iran does not have US breathing down its neck and threatening it every few weeks, which brings one to ponder, is it better to be more openly hostile like Iran, risk isolationism but still maintain one's dignity and sovereignty than be domicile like pakistan and try to cooperate with US, but still get bullied over every now and then. People have been predicting Iranian regimes demise since 1979, but they seem to be managing just fine. The author has unintentionally made the point that Pakistan would be better off, if it used its strategic assets more efficiently and cut off all american links completely.
Defeating the US in Afghanistan and Iraq: Depends what your definition of "defeat" is. US objectives in Iraq: Remove a brutal dictator - Accomplished Usher in democracy - Accomplished This was neither easy nor peaceful. But Iraq is governed by Iraqis elected by Iraqis. The lies used to enter Iraq does negate the gamechanging impact in the region that the US has had. Democracy is a long term project.
Objectives in Afghanistan: Eliminate Al Qaeda as on organized force of terror from its home base - Accomplished. Remove and stop the retrogressive Taliban from coming back to power - Accomplished. This mission, too, was neither easy and certainly not peaceful. Just because the USA wants to negotiate its way out does not mean it lost.
Continued source of instability in both countries is due to their neighbours. Perhaps the narrative does not fit our preconceived biases and prejudices. USA is always wrong, an enemy and always "loses". And we never do anything bad and are always victorious.
@ EOH, "Great Analysis but it is not good because Pakistan is not Iran" hmmm rather contradictory isnt it, einstein what say you? Please all go read the substandard blog if you dont it might result in a popped vein!!!!
The truth is that Irani media was either too mature or forced to stop from ridiculing its own country, people or culture and flashing tarnishing images. Pakistani medi's role in its problem cant be ignored.If a few thousand people come out on streets in favour of Mumtaz Qadri, its doom time. See what happened when people come out on street against arrest of Sadhavi Pragya , accused in terror activities in India. Not even single column was wasted on the matter...and as such the protest died its own death.Why cant Pak media behave in the manner? Why give so much space to such people. In fact it is your media which is glorifying the extremism.These monsters are thriving through media attention only and Pak media has to take the blame for it.I thing there must be many positives in Pakistan. Why not highlight the same and pushing the extremists to obscurity?
The US didn't lose Iraq, I know it come to great comfort for us Pakistanis that the US loses everything but this is ridiculous. The problems with Iraq are not the same here in Afghanistan and Pakistan, difference being that these so called terrorists was the greatest asset for Pakistan and the west when they suited their needs. You won't kill your child would you, not when the child is all grown up and thinks for himself.
While the citizens of Pakistan don't have access to basic amenities, we are busy securing our backyard.
Both Iran and PAK have US breathing down on their necks from the bases in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Iran is independent of US; PAK is dependent.
Iran does not have sectarian disease. PAK is suffering from ethnic and sectarian cancer.
Iran does not have Balochistan liberation army problem; PAK has.
Iran does not have Islamic bomb ; PAK has and it is her nightmare.
Iran is an established theocracy; PAK is a closet theocracy.
Iran does not have problems with her neighbors; PAK has problems with her neighbors, east and west.
Iran can pay down her debt in no time; PAK is stuck in the purgatory of revolving debt.
Iran's educational system is excellent; PAK is in shambles.
Iran's president can boldly say his policy; In PAK GHQ approval is required.
All Iranian politicians live in Iran; PAK politicians live abroad.
Iranians are Persians; Pak people are Arabs , oops sorry!
True analysis, truer conclusion.
The moral of the story is 'Nobody wins in a war'.
It is a nice run down of facts but where is the analysis ? Are Iranian actions in Iraq and Pakistani actions in Afghanistan, good or bad ? If yes or no, why so ? What do you suggest they do to build a better future for their people ? Too many questions but no answers !
The sad part of war is more than 100 thousand Disable people only in Afghanistan and who know how many in iraq its a really shame....
A classic example of trying to fit preconceived theoretical frameworks to reality by careful selection of some facts, total neglect of others, disregard of overall context, simplification of complex social, political and historical processes, nearly total reliance on information gained from one sided narratives. If this is what some of our top ranking analysts and pundits can produce then no wonder we find our selves in the mess that we are in. The level of amnesia about the recent history of the middle east and south Asia and the exercise of colonial and imperial ambitions by ideological powers of one kind or another, is simply amazing. May God help us.
Great Analysis but it is not good because Pakistan is not Iran. Our historical background is different than Iran. Our father of Nation is a secular man who fought a purely political war with Congress and British to carve out state of Pakistan for the minority community of India that was about to be trampled by the majority.
It will be a failure to assume that Pakistan will be like Iran due to rampant corruption, sectarian imbalance and illiteracy. We cannot follow Iran and we don't have provincial harmony as in Iran. We are in the middle of a civil war. About the options of Pakistan, there is a great post. Please read that too:
http://pioussluts.wordpress.com/2011/09/26/how-long-can-china-and-saudi-arabia-go-to-protect-isi-and-pakistan/
The sad part of this is that the only "defeated" parties are the current and future generations of Iraqis and Iranians who could have lived in prosperous, secular, democratic Iraq and Afghanistan, and instead have been condemned to a future of sectarian violence, instability and death, thanks to the sabotage of Iran and Pakistan, coupled with the indomitable paranoia and cancerous radicalism of the Islamic world.
Is it a true analysis based on facts from Iran activities as author outlines ? ..Western media covered much about how alqaida is in pakistan and pose a threat to the west but rarely highlights iraq problems due to Iran meddling ..Need more citations for me to believe ! .