Before we get any further, let’s be clear that Muslims in India consistently emerge as deprived, however, their progress as a group is measured. They earn less, are less educated and are underrepresented in the government, the administration and the organised private sector.
Surely, these inequalities could not have come about without a generous contribution from the one factor that determines whether affirmative action is appropriate: discrimination. And surely, an argument that Muslims face religious discrimination in India can be made out just on the basis of development indices.
But it isn’t that simple. Job and education quotas are primarily caste-based in India. It is argued that there is no caste system in Islam, so the question of discrimination along those lines does not arise.
However, this is completely untrue in practice. For instance, the Manganiyar community in Rajasthan, who make their living playing music, were lower caste Hindus who converted to Islam some 400 years ago. Today’s Rajputs are happy to sit around and have a drink with these entertainers, but they carry their own glasses. Neither do the Manganiyars aspire to marry higher caste converts.
Several Indian states have recognised this reality and put quotas in place for sections of Muslims. The southern state of Andhra Pradesh has listed what it calls “15 backward” Muslim communities who are eligible to take advantage of reservations.
But Buddhists and Sikhs reject the caste system as well — how is it that they can avail the quotas? Well, they fought for the rights of the socially backward among them to begin with and were helped by the Indian Constitution, which says that any reference to Hindus includes Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs, in other words, those who practiced religions rooted in India.
This is a tricky situation, not just for the ‘foreign’ religions — Christianity and Islam — that are left out, but even within the supposed Hindu fold. ‘Inclusion’ in this grand all encompassing ‘everyone is a Hindu’ view has its consequences. In practice, it erodes the identity of smaller groups. Under the surface, it promotes a Hindu nationalist agenda.
This can happen in the strangest ways. It is ironic to bring the case of the Satsangis up in this context, but it tells the story. In 1966 the Satsangis (followers of Swaminarayan, who decided that he was the Supreme God) went to court saying they could not come under the purview of an Act that stipulated that all temples had to be open for entry to Harijans or untouchables. Their religion was distinct from Hinduism, they argued, so laws that applied to Hindu temples could not cover them: if they wished to keep Harijans out, they should be allowed to do so. The Supreme Court rejected the claim and in effect included the Satsangis in the Hindu fold, saying Hinduism defied easy definition and was a “way of life.”
If you flip that argument around to reservations, the same principle applies. And inevitably, there will be noises from the right to the effect that the minorities were one with the Hindus when expedient and separate when convenient.
If you take the case of Muslims as a whole in India, they aren’t ‘one’ as a community to begin with. Every seventh Indian (approximately) is a Muslim, and there have been calls to declare the whole community “backward”. This doesn’t go down well with the historically deprived lower caste converts to Islam.
Like everywhere else in the world, the benefits of affirmative action, such as the ones in India, go disproportionately to the elite within so-called “backward” communities.
The reason why the idea of quotas along religious lines is always given the pass (at least nationally) isn’t because it is against the secular spirit of the Indian Constitution. It is because this is an issue that polarises the vote: if a political party decides to push through reservations for all Muslims, it can forget the Hindu vote in many parts of India, and have it divided in others. If it provides reservations for only “backward class” Muslims, then it alienates the influential elite in that community and splits the vote.
There is only one way to get around this (and some Indian states have done this already): have strict economic criteria to go along with social ones. Think a little more of the need and a little less about the vote.
Published in The Express Tribune, September 22nd, 2011.
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@Ram Bharose Singh: musharaf was muhajir nawaz sharif is kashmiri muhajir there are lots of muhajirs in punjab there is ethnic tension only in karachi and general zia was born in jalhandar
should have done it 60 years ago better late than never
@ Anil iraq was very secular country and attacked and syria, turkey, morroco, algeria, most of central asian countries do too any non muslim can freelly go there with out any fear and about devoleped country you know the monopoly of colonies maters and there is only one Hindus country in the world but there are more than sixty muslim countries in the world....
@ Narayana murthy Why muslims countries are still devoleping we all know why but question is why lot of non muslims countries are still poor??????
can u tell me a single muslim majority country which is developed ????Muslims have to come out of their traditional beliefs and should find ways to integrate themselves in to the world stage and should have to eradicate the hatred created amog non-muslims in these recent years.Then there can be something positive. Otherwise we will read following from news papers
"Kabul 11-01.2050
A powerful explosion at city center kill 50 innocent people".
@Adeel Ahmed:
At this point in time there is no country in the world that is under "Hindu Rule"! Not even Nepal. . Being ruled by a Hindu is not the same thing as being under Hindu Rule.
@Adeel Ahmad says "Muslims can never prosper under Hindu rule"
I would rephrase it as, "Muslims can never prosper under Muslim rule". Cases in point - all Islamic world. You can start with Pakistan.
Don't even bring the cases of Saudi or UAE. Wait for the moment, when oil becomes irrelevant and see how these countries are turned into deserts overnight.
@Author
What next? Quotas for Shikhs,Christians,Parsis,Jains,Budhists,Jews. Then (among Hindus) for Brahmins,Khatriyas,Jadavs,Kurmis,Gujjars,Meenas......(sorry to tired to type it all). And then may be on the basis of language spoken,colour of skin etc.
This nonsense is only suitable for vote bank politics.
@Adeel Ahmed: How much did you prosper under muslim rule and Islamic republic? If your point holds any weight Pakistan would be economic super power.
@Ali Tanoli
I was born and raised in India which is still a third world country by some measures & have seen all Indians(Hindus, Muslims, backward castes, etc) struggle with poverty, corruption, riots, police atrocity & discrimination. All Indians including 180 million Muslims have struggled together and are much better of today than they were 20 years ago. In fact Indian Muslims I am proud to say are the least radicalized in the whole world because they have embraced India's liberal traditions & have value education over dogma. There is still work to be done but no society is perfect. It is time for Muslims of the world to follow the example set by Indian Muslims.
@SK
The real test of discrimination is this: Given the number of applications for a job position or an educational seat, is a member of one group more or less likely to get the seat? Not whether seats won are in proportion in population, though counter intuitive this may be.
I am a Tamil. The proportion of Tamils in the defense forces is far lesser than the 6-7% of the Indian population that they constitute. Does this mean discrimination against Tamils? No, because the simple reason is that not enough Tamils apply. Sikhs are 'over represented' in the army because a lot more of them apply. But I can bet that the % of Tamils rejected or selected would be no different than that of the Sikhs. Let us not find simplistic reasons and simplistic solutions.
Mathematically and logically, if the proportion of a particular group in jobs or colleges is lower, I wouldnt automatically assume discrimination. I would check the relative proportions of the applicants vis a vis population. If there is a difference, yes there could be discrimination. Else one would need to ask why a certain group has a lower % of applicants- maybe many of them do not get to the educational qualification stage required for the job. Keep asking why repeatedly (as a lot of problem solving techniques will teach you) and you are very likely to find that attitude to education is the prime cause. Families where women are educated or which have seen a member get the advantage of good education (irrespective of race, language group, caste or religion) may even starve to provide their kids good education, while others may lay less stress on it.
While data can be used to support any opinion, Indian leftists were flabbergasted when data used by Sachar showed that Muslims in west Bengal, ruled for more than 25 years by highly secular communists were far more backward than Muslims in bjp ruled Gujarat where you would expect, in theory at least, more discrimination. Gujarati Muslims have a much more positive attitude to education and to being self dependent.
Muslims just fail/refuse to adapt.
Its all about wanting to integrate into a progressive society. Unfortunately, wherever Muslims have settled/lived they have failed to integrate.
Look at the statistics for the UK. Indians are the wealthiest visible minority, while Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are the poorest. Its a similar situation in just about any western nation your look at. Indians and Pakistanis are the same people (not taking into account religion), yet we see a huge discrepancy in wealth. How can this be?
@Adeel Ahmed: somehow, the Muslims didnt prosper under Muslim rule either.
Some of you guys told me that minorityism is state of mind like some one M said this i will say one bieng born lucky or living in some first world how would you know the missery of those unoppurtunist peoples of third world country,
Indian Muslims face some of the highest discrimination. I have personally seen this from my own eyes. Dont believe me? Just go and check the statistics. Just look at the Indian Armed Forces and see the meagre percentage of Muslims who defend their country. You'll be amazed at the low enrolment. Also look at education, poverty, jobs etc.
Did u ever look it in the eyes of indian muslims what they asked us where do we go we are native of this land. Quat from MR Jaswanth singh Book Jnnah ............................. I really amazed when i saw his interview he is leader of one of indias nationalist party BJP he is not gonna lies..........
@Paras Vikmani:
It is a questionable generalisation to say that Christians & Buddhists are among the richest in India. Like any other group these too have some rich fellows but majority of them are Dalit converts eking out a miserable living. The neo-Buddhist/Ambedkarite sweepers of Maharashtra or the lowly Christian scavengers of coastal Andhra are not exactly the Gautam Adanis,KM Mathews,Bhai Mohan Singhs and Azim Premjis.
@ Mr Ram Singh You raised the question of Muhajirs who migrated to pakistan in 1947 for your kind information they got good jobs in every field peoples who came from punjab they got land in west punjab and they are in mejurity so they have no complain and peoples those migrated from U.P, Dehli amd others parts of india they were educated so they are in bearucracy and every govt departments and also in karachi the commercial hub of pakistan they occupied all good jobs if they crying so there are issues with all others native peoples have too. but over all they are good.
About sikhs they have one of best land in india so they are rich Jains and parsis they are united in community based like Khoja agha khanis in mumbai so they dont bother with any body else so they are rich like wise jews but poverty in genral is higher in hindus and main streem muslims the reason they not cult unlike others in india.
@Good Advice: One more reason. At the time of partition, all the educated & better off Muslims migrated leaving behind the poor & uneducated ones. But the beauty of India's secularism is that it cares for this segment of population.
Christians,Sikhs,Jains,Buddhists minorities in India are the richest in the country but Hindus and Muslims overall are behind. That is why India had not been able to prosper at a faster rate. We need Hindus and Muslims to develop faster who together account for around 95% of Indian population.
@Adeel Ahmed:
Unlike the muslims of Pakistan who live off honey and milk in muslim ruled Pakistan?
Muslims in india dont need reservations just for the reason that it will encourage more religious discrimination.religious discrimination is the main reason for the backwardness of muslims in india.if discrimination ceases to exist we will do much better like any indian does.i disagree with the argument that islam is the reason for backwardness.
Muslims in india dont need reservations just for the reason that it will encourage more religious discrimination.religious discrimination is the main reason for the backwardness of muslims in india.if discrimination ceases to exist we will do much better like any indian does.i disagree with the argument that islam is the reason for backwardness. he argument that islam is the reason for backwardness.
The author is ill informed to write on the subject of quota for muslims. He should know, under Mandal Commission report quota has been given to all backward class of muslims too and it covers alsmost 60 % of muslim population of India. Religion based quota is being demanded by High cast muslim based upon poverty, it is just like upper cast hindus asking for quota based upon same criteria of poverty. But the constitution of india, provides quota only for socialy and educationaly backward class for social equality and justice, which was denied to them for centuries, and Not for economically backward, because architect of constitution had imagined that nothing stops the states to bring poverty elimination programme for all the citizen of the country. Reservation is not a tool of poverty elimination, it is for social equality.
Hence, bringing the issue of foreign faith etc. is unnecessary. every indian is Indian only, irespective of his religion.
Giving quotas to Muslims in education and jobs is a political agenda. If Indian Muslims are underpaid, less represented and suffering from a lot hell of problems, it is not the fault of majority Hindus but the Muslims themselves are responsible.
Discrimination exists everywhere. Hindus discriminate muslims, hindus discriminate other hindus, and muslims also discriminate hindus. I, being a hindu, am discriminated too - regional, social, etc. This shouldn't give me reason to whine. Someone above rightly said 180 mn population is substantial. To put it in perspective, it is same size as Pakistan. If they really care for their community, they should do something about it, not ask others. There are other minorities - Parsis, Jains, Christians that are thriving without reservations. They are actually role-models for others. Just a case in point, I am from a small town. Our locality has 50-50 hindu-muslim population with good communal harmony (i mean no riots). Being a small-town locality, everybody knows everybody else. I've personally seen that muslims either don't send their kids to schools or they dropout soon. The kids later on help their father in his small-time business. Mind you, they are not poor. In such a case what can the state do?
@Sonam Shyam: Well said i would like to narrate an incident to highlight the point about education. I was employed in a small town in Karnataka i used to get my car repaired by a mechanic Raja . We had planned a family holiday and i as was not to confident about my old car i took Raja to drive the car on a daily basis . While he was driving he kept asking me about the the distances when we crossed the KM stones . As the markings were in Kannada and English i asked him if he was literate to which he replied that he had passed 10th in Urdu medium. Now inspite of having studied for 10yrs in Karnataka where he was living he was in the illiterate category as i would be if i knew only Punjabi and was living in any place other than Punjab .The leadership in a community must realize that every individual needs know a language to follow his religion and a language to earn his daily bread if you are lucky you might be able to to make do with only otherwise learn as many languages as you need to .I can read write and speak English ,Hindi & Punjabi because of which i am comfortable in most of India and a few foreign countries .
Unless the caste based reservation is given a time based withdrawal, the so called "backward" castes will have no motivation to compete with the the rest or the best.
@Bangash: @Ali Tanoli:
No one can spoil the spirit of being Indian, x,y,z etc. whatever be the religion, we are all Indians first and religion is a very personal affair for us. I write this from a place where there is a Mosque and a Ganesh temple are placed next to each other and few buildings from that, exist a praying hall for Christians.
Detracting nothing from the need to ameliorate the lot of the Scheduled Castes, fact remains that with inclusion of Mandal's "Other Backward Classes" (OBC)-an euphemism for bandwagon-Quotas in India are almost exclusively for Hindus. In certain States (like TN) it is as high as close to 70% covering many Hindu castes except Brahmins.. Most Castes are schizophrenic: boasting higher status of upward mobility and simultaneously demanding largess based on lower social status!
This is blatant favouritism and a shameless game of Majority-ism played by a pseudo-secular polity in favour of Hindus to the detriment of the others who now do not stand a chance either in education or in government jobs..Most overlook that it is not only among the Hindus that the marginalised are found. The plight of Dalit & Tribal Christians & of lowers classes of Muslims hardly bother the collective conscience of people except that of a Sachar or a Singh.
It is time that the largess is shared with "others" too instead of freeloader OBCs grabbing the whole lot! One should give with grace since Muslims/Christians do not emulate the crude ways of the violent Meenas/Gurjars of Rajasthan.
I am an Indian christian with a forward caste certificate when I found that out only in 10th grade and studied hard to get a good grades and finally in good position in IT along with friends who are from backward caste or even scheduled caste in IT . It does not matter if you are raising the bar and if you have will you will achieve what you want... We christians just focus on education and there are even better role models in our societies like brahmins or forward caste hindus who focus on high percentage in board exams and hitech jobs and we all follow that development model ...Just ask any middle class muslim at home and his mind is full of stories of past victories of muslim rulers or muslim scientist and a general feeling to bring forth his community to top of the world rather than just focus on his life and his family to a better life through education... YOu just need to follow your 10 top in your class and flow with their ideas ..Muslim friends just drop out of the tide due to some baggages and just settle for traders,shop keeping or generally physically taxing work rather than mentally taxing work...
@Bangash: how the hell do you know that? indians in general face daily discrimination everyday on the basis of status,power ,money and caste so muslims are not the only ones. and trust me,muslims in india are much better placed to face the future then pakistanis can ever be.
reservation is a tried tested and failed concept.it only divides the society further.if reservation has to be given then it should be given only on basis of financial and economic backwardness.
@Ali Tanoli: ali,the author is taking about "foreign religions" in a constitutional context not everyday life.
Reservation on religious lines is against the idea of secularism. Religion is a belief and one can always change it in theory. Reservation/Affirmative Action based on ethnicity can be justified by saying that if there is prejudice against a certain ethnicity or the way you look, one can not change it no matter how much works hard against it in his/her life time. Think of reservation based on caste lines as reservation based on ethnicity and not because of their religious beliefs.
Affirmative action because you believe in a certain theology is laughable and should be challenged in the court because it will go against the constitution of India.
@Tanoli I appreciate you crocodile tears for your concerns for India's lower caste people. Why don't Islam get rid of this shia/sunni thing from its religion so everything will be ok? At least Hindus don't butcher the lower caste people like the shia do to sunnis. Don't worry about India, all Indians including backward caste, muslims, etc. are doing much better than any Pakistani ever has and have the promise of a bright future in their eyes despite occasional hiccups.
@Ali Minorityism is a state of mind. Even if Muslims constituted 49% population, you would still consider them minority. Nobody can change your mindset, but most other Muslims should not buy into the ideology that they are oppressed worldwide. Education, hardwork, blending into the society(leave your religion at home like most non Muslims do) and being patriotic to whatever country you live is the only way one can succeed
@Ali Tanoli: Your concern for Muslims in India is indeed heart-warming. Can you please share the same concern for the relatives of Muslims from India -the Muhajirs - who live in Karachi Pakistan, and who are suffering discrimination and also getting killed in random drive-by shootings? Thank you.
@Ali Tanoli: Good idea, am completely with you on that and your community should get rid of sias, Sunnis and Ahmadis as well.
Indian Muslims face daily discrimination and miserable life.
muslims and hindus are minorities in numerous countries in the world....where have they been included into affirmative action.......in India, Muslims are opposing Right to Education....what quota you are talking about them......better you settle down in Pakistan and contribute with your disastrous views there.....
@ Good advice In Billion peoples 180 is minority if not then u need school education from usthad Ghalib
This Whole Concept of Muslim Minority in India is at the best ABSURD.
How can you call a population on 180M a minority ?
True minority in india is Parsi ,Jain, Sikh,Christian etc which is less than 1% of population ,and all four above mention minority is thriving in india.
Muslims has to find out why they are lag behind in India and over the world, say for example in europe ,They represent most unemployeed ,Less educated.
They should educate themselves and come up in main stream ,No other option ,Stop Taunting mr writer. Find some another topic to impress your readers.
Why in the world 180M people count themselves minority and not working hard to get better in life BUT Complaining and whining Jeremianic? Comon life is too short for this and world will not care if you just whine.Give them better advice mr.Writer.
Mr Sen, I have read it three times your articla allready i wonder allways at one place only when u said foreign reliegens for Islam & Christianity ok they are foreiners but what about peoples they are not foreigners they are local native peoples of india matha so please can they get fair share and equal rights please and be considerd locals and by the way both reliegen are Asian west never had prophet.
May be India failed to give quotas to Muslims or other religious minorities ... but dose not mean that India is lagging behind in facilities to minorities. Muslims had lagged behind basically due to less awareness and are relatively less educated. Other minorities like Christens, Jains & Sikhs had probably done a lot better than average Indians. . Government of India is aware and is taking cautious steps to ensure that the benefits of economic development is shared by all Indians without discrimination. For those who might be interested, may go through the following lings: The Sachar Committee Report and followups on implementation of its recommendations http://minorityaffairs.gov.in/sachar And Prime Minister’s New 15 Point Programme for Welfare of Minorities’. http://ncm.nic.in/PM's15Point_Programme.html . I had not read the details as I believe that the Government of India is cautious on the issue and are taking deliberate steps to ensure equitable development of all communities.
Why dont hinduism get rid of this low caste untouchable thing from its reliegen so every thing will be ok.