Yes, Muslims kill Muslims

Published: September 19, 2011
The writer is vice-president of the NGO READ and tweets@dnoorani

The writer is vice-president of the NGO READ and tweets@dnoorani

How often is it that after a terrorist attack in Pakistan, you hear the following statement on TV or from people around you? Aik Musalman Musalman ko nahi maar sakta (A Muslim won’t kill another Muslim). Every time I hear this statement or a similar one, I want to bang my head against a wall. While having a conversation with my driver, regarding the Eid bombings of a Shia mosque in Quetta he said, “The Taliban couldn’t be responsible for the attack, since a Muslim would never attack people in a mosque.” Even after thousands of people have been killed in suicide bombings by religious extremists, a large number of Pakistanis still have misplaced sympathies for extremists or fail to hold them accountable. This mindset needs to be challenged and the myth that “Muslims don’t kill other Muslims” needs to be debunked once and for all. Otherwise, if this attitude of denying the problem and deflecting the blame on RAW, CIA, BLA, Mossad, etc continues, there is no plausible way that an effective counter extremist movement can be conceived in Pakistan.

It is a sad fact, but Muslims have been killing Muslims from the early days of Islam. Out of the first four caliphs, three had Muslims involved in their murder, two of them were killed in a mosque and one was murdered while offering his prayers. The first Islamic Civil War, also called the first Fitna, started in 656, just 14 years after the Prophet Mohammad’s (pbuh) death and lasted for 5 years. A number of battles were fought during this period, in which scores of Muslims were killed by other Muslims. Unfortunately, there is precedent for Muslims killing Muslim in Islamic history.

If one wants to ignore history and just look at the present, there are still numerous examples of Muslims killing other Muslims in Pakistan. Recently, the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) claimed responsibility for an attack in Quetta that killed at least 26 people and injured over 60 in two suicide attacks, targeting the residence of the deputy chief of the paramilitary force. If one goes a little further in the past (like a month), the TTP claimed responsibility for a devastating suicide attack on a mosque in Khyber Agency that killed over 50 people. Most recently, the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) has reached a new low by attacking a school bus, which killed four children. This attack was considered to be revenge against the residents of Kala Khel for forming a lashkar against the TTP. The large number of occurrences of such events makes it difficult to deny that ‘Muslims’ are carrying them out.

A recent report in the Christian Science Monitor highlighted how the sacrifice of 3,000 plus security personnel killed in operations against al Qaeda and Taliban militants since 9/11 went unrecognised because of fear of antagonising the religious right by the army. The people who they fear antagonising are likely the same people who defend and sympathise with the extremists. The fact that the army does not highlight its sacrifices against the extremists must not only be demoralising for the troops, but showcases how Pakistan has ceded the public space to extremists. Politicians, generals, philanthropists, businessmen, every Pakistani needs to unite and raise his/her voice against extremists and their heinous actions. There should be no room to sympathise or empathise with groups who have no regard for innocent life.

After this article, I am sure people will call me naive for believing the media and falling victim to the various spy agency’s trap, but it is time to call a spade a spade. It cannot be denied that Muslims are killing innocent civilians in the name of Islam and maligning the religion. Pakistanis must unabashedly and equivocally condemn the killing of innocents by anyone, particularly those brazenly claiming responsibility for it. No longer can Pakistan afford to have a deflecting attitude with respect to militancy and a unified voice must be raised against it. No longer should the Kalma be used as proof of innocence.

Published in The Express Tribune, September 20th,  2011.

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Reader Comments (94)

  • Dee Cee
    Sep 19, 2011 - 10:22PM

    Also, I think you can say that “whosoever” is killing my fellow countrymen will be eliminated. Now if these terrorists are not muslims, or are not homegrown, it really doesn’t matter, they should be killed. If TTP claims responsibility, and suppose TTP is a CIA/Mossad/RAW puppet, there is every reason for everybody to support their elimination. If Hussain Haqqani is a disguised Yahood or Hunood, let’s kill him for terrorising and killing Pakistanis.

    However, if anybody claims that TTP and Haqqani people are “good” people, and some “unseen” force is falsely claiming responsibility on their behalf, then that person will take longer time to cure. If all terrorists are eliminated, then Pakistan will definitely be a safer place. So instead of focusing on the word “Muslim”, let’s focus on the word “terrorist”, and eliminate all Taliban, Al Qaeda, TTP etc. If you want to support any of these because their names sound “muslim”, then you are supporting the killing of your own country people. Pakistanis, your choice! Recommend

  • Pakistan
    Sep 19, 2011 - 10:23PM

    Nice expressed. Very true but i know that all those who believe that in this world only muslims are good will still say that its a jewish conspiracy. I appreciate you show a true face.


  • faridi
    Sep 19, 2011 - 10:30PM

    you are wrong that three caliphs were killed by muslims…..out of four Abu Bakr died a natural death…..Rest of three were killed……Usman and Ali were killed by muslims…..while Umar was killed by a non muslim who used to pay Jizya and was a former Irani….


  • faridi
    Sep 19, 2011 - 10:37PM

    Abu Bakr died on bed…..Umer was attacked while offering prayers…….othman in his house under siege….Ali was attacked after leaving his house for morning prayers when he was midway between his house and mosque, taken back to his home where he later died.


  • D'maagh
    Sep 19, 2011 - 10:40PM

    You’re falling victim to the propaganda, sorry to say. All these attacks have clear RAW hand, as has been clear from the evidence produced. They are bombing Shia mosques and Ahmedi worship-places to create enmity and hatred among Pakistanis. Don’t be a tool in their hands and encourage division. Instead you should be building unity.


  • sumeet
    Sep 19, 2011 - 11:01PM

    at last someone has shown the guts.infightings among muslims has been continuing since the early days of islam for different reasons,and sadly not stopped till now.islam is stained with the blood of its own believers.the real islam has been hijacked just after the death of prophet,not now.and this is the sad reality.


  • Sep 19, 2011 - 11:11PM

    What a MARVELOUS Article

    Taliban are carrying out their crimes because many people still recognise them as “Mujahideen”

    Yes they are Mujahideen but doing “Jihad” against Muslims and Islam itself


  • Imran
    Sep 19, 2011 - 11:15PM

    Yes they do… Pakistan is the only country where they kill their own people(Everyone and everywhere) and never get tired.


  • usman ashraf
    Sep 19, 2011 - 11:18PM

    most beautiful part of your column is “No longer should the Kalma be used as proof of innocence”. i do strongly agree with you MUSLIMS ARE KILLING MUSLIMS. They TTP might be CIA,RAW,MOSSAD agents yet they are Muslims or pretend to be.


  • Kashif Yaqub
    Sep 19, 2011 - 11:18PM

    no no buddy! they are actually yahoodi agents


  • Timorov
    Sep 19, 2011 - 11:21PM

    While overall a good piece, one factual error is with regards to the assassinations of the Caliphs. The 2nd Caliph wasn’t assassinated by a Muslim but by a Persian.


  • Arifq
    Sep 19, 2011 - 11:21PM

    Suicide bombings are a product of drone attacks! This is what people like Ansar Abbasi, Imran Khan and many others have been propagating thus the confusion. To begin with we must not only challenge such people they should be marginalized which will change the narrative. Recommend

  • omg!
    Sep 19, 2011 - 11:30PM

    nice article. but an old thing. a muslim is nowhere superior than other humans


  • Cautious
    Sep 19, 2011 - 11:59PM

    The term “religion of peace” is considered a joke in the rest of the World. The author is polite when he uses the word “kill” because many would argue that blowing up people in Mosques, Funerals, Weddings etc is nothing less than slaughter – the fact that this slaughter is done in the name of religion is a shame – the fact that the religious leaders don’t stop this slaughter is criminal.


  • Sep 20, 2011 - 12:02AM

    @ Danial NUraNi, although, there is bloodshed in muslim history, yet u may see bloodshed in christrian history, In Germany Jews killing, in Spain killig of muslims & Jews, in Bosnia killing muslims by Serb Christians, American Christians dropped NUCLEAR BOMB on innocent japanese, In India several riots in which muslims killed, Bloodshed is everywhere through the history, Ur article is an effort to show all the muslims as barbarians,/ killers of each other, U R wrong…yes, u r naive. Talibans are killing innocent people for MONEY Only, U have ignored the conspiracy behind the scene

  • optimist
    Sep 20, 2011 - 12:03AM

    If I hear someone saying ‘A Muslim can’t kill another Muslim’.
    I reply,

    ‘if a Muslim doesn’t kill Muslim, no one else can’!!


  • Leader
    Sep 20, 2011 - 12:16AM

    the common wisdom of masses proves to be more reasonable than any self proclaiming intellectual coming from a specific class.


  • Hussain Khalid
    Sep 20, 2011 - 12:34AM

    The people who say things like ‘Muslims cannot kill Muslims’ are utterly naive and gullible, this particular brand of Islam of either converting fellow Muslims to their own understanding of religion or killing them originated in the 1700-1800s Arabia. The movement which was to be later called Wahabism. In 1973 petrol prices quadrupled, a new elitist class emerged in the Middle East. In 1979 a group of people claiming one person to be the promised Mehdi (Anti-Christ) among them seized the Grand Masjid in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. After they were flushed out the Saudi Royals gave full freedom to the religious clergy to implement whatever they desired in the name of Islam, in return the clergy will give legitimacy the rule of the House of Saud.

    Earlier, King Faisal of Saudi Arabia had said that Islam as a philosophy should be used ruthlessly against communism, Wahabi interpretations of Korans were distributed world wide, the USSR invaded Afghanistan and the rest is history.

    Till 9/11, all of this was considered Islamic and good. Saudi Arabia has cleansed itself of such creeps (the terrorists) and given us the title of a Rogue state. The height of Irony, as Pakistan which was till 1971 the largest Muslim country in the world was carved out of India by an Ismaili Muslim and who was supported by Shias and Ahmedis, the Sunnis were against the creation of Pakistan. Till 1958 nearly all the top leadership was Shia. So, we were a peace loving nation, our social fabric has been distorted by the pseudo Muslims of Arabia.


  • Sep 20, 2011 - 12:58AM

    @D’maagh: what clear evidence has ever been produced?


  • Sep 20, 2011 - 12:59AM

    I disagree on many points and have published a response to this op-ed in my blog here


  • ga73
    Sep 20, 2011 - 1:05AM

    @D’maagh: I notice that you called it “Ahmedi worship-places” instead of what they call it which is Ahmedi mosques. Recommend

  • Asif
    Sep 20, 2011 - 1:32AM


    Where does this violence all start? The US war, and Pakistan’s support for it.

    Once Pakistan cowed to US pressure, hell broke out. First, instead of leaving the tribal areas alone, Pakistan at the request of the US initiated an operation in FATA. Then Pakistan Army took matters into their own hands, and attacked the Lal Masjid.

    It is best to look at the symptoms rather then the response. All this violence is due to the US presence in the region, and won’t stop as long as the US interferes and meddles in the region. This presence and interference in the region is the root cause of this reaction to it.

    Imran Khan offers us the best way out- ending cooperation with the US in their war, cooperation that should never have been there in the first place. Would Iran succumb to such threats? No.

    Pakistan’s problems starts at the irresponsible leadership.

    The Lal Masjid fiasco and the operation agains FATA can be blamed for this impending crises.

    However, the US presence in the region is the sole problem. For peace to prevail, it must be ended, and they must stop interfering in the Muslim world from now on.


  • Anthony Permal
    Sep 20, 2011 - 1:35AM

    @Jamil Siraj:

    Sigh here we go again. As soon as someone said ‘it’s a Muslim’s fault’, people dig up the ‘see, the Christians did it too’ argument.



  • Asif
    Sep 20, 2011 - 1:37AM

    Pakistan needs to end all cooperation with the US. how dare their ambassador and secretary of state make demands that Pakistan start a civil war?

    The US interference int he region is the cause for all the violence and fighting.

    these people fight to rid the region of the US presence. Hence, that is the obstacle to peace and prosperity in the region.

    Maybe, one should highlight this.

    Radicalism is the natural reaction to US interference in the Muslim world. Their interference must stop.

    Imran Khan must deliver on his promises. In fact, it would be wise and regionally smart if he just broke all relations with the US, and any other Western nation promoting war against the region as a whole.


  • Asif
    Sep 20, 2011 - 1:39AM

    Pakistan must stop the drone attacks at all costs. Would Iran allow these drone attacks?

    Would any country allow this? No more subservience to the US. Pakistan needs new leaders from the military all the way to the civilian leadership.

    No more Kayani, and no more Zardari. Pakistan does not need US stooges anymore.

    Imran for President!


  • Sep 20, 2011 - 1:40AM

    I didn’t hear the word TTP before the American invasion in Afghanistan. Before that, Afghanistan and Pakistan and even the Muslim World were peaceful countries. No Afghan Taliban has ever killed any Muslim Pakistan. All the suicide bombing are claimed by Tehreek e Taliban Pakistan (TTP) which has nothing to do with Afghan Talibans. TTP is Indian and American backed insurgency as it has majority of Indian type weaponry coming via Afghanistan under the protection of NATO. Raymond Davis is the proof of this who had links with TTP. Even TTP doesn’t consider Pakistanis as MUSLIMS so its very right to say that TTP are themselves out of Islam according to Islamic Shariyah.


  • Doctor
    Sep 20, 2011 - 1:53AM

    @ D’maagh – what a joke. There is no evidence that has been produced. Please produce it and enlighten all of us. You are delusional like Zaid Hamid, Hamid Gul, Imran Khan, etc.

    @ Farhan – you are right in your blog post that we must disown these people but that doesn’t mean you should disagree with the author. He makes a great point. He’s angry, he’s frustrated, he can’t believe how we Pakistanis let these terrorists and criminals get away day in and day out.

    Denouncing these people is an important tactic but just saying “We remove them from Islam” doesn’t fix the core issue of the masses sympathizing with them.


    Sep 20, 2011 - 2:14AM

    We dont need to prove Muslim kill muslim ,truth is that More muslims are killed by Muslims, NO Denying that truth.

    SAD PART of the story you are missing here

    When you kill woman and Kids,Which was Absolutely NOT PARDON by even any religious Moral standard,

    That is Barbaric ,Savage ,Uncivilised,Wild ,Brutal,Cruel,Inhuman,Uncouth.

    Pakistan should be Ashamed,It is not politician or army or parliaments duty to denounced this barbaric act ,But it is Responsiblity of Population of pakistan. and You are FAILED Miserably. We have to Condemn Population which is Silent.

    Why not someone write about this???

    You held Responsible to this Coward ,Chicken Heart ,Gutless,Spineless ,Faint heart ,DUMB Population.

    You Know ,You deserved this ,I am sorry to say that with heavy heart.


  • M Ali Khan
    Sep 20, 2011 - 2:14AM

    oh please enough with this denial-conspiracy nonsense!!!!


  • rehmat
    Sep 20, 2011 - 2:39AM

    Excellent article. Some other examples of Muslims killing Muslims to support the author’s claim.Aurangzeb killed his brothers and imprisoned his father. More recently the Pak army attacked the Bangali Muslims in 1971 and killed hundreds of thousands of them. Iraw attacked Iran and later attacked Kuwait. Even today the sultan of Bahrain is destroying Shia mosques. Thoug Sunnis are a minority in Bahrain, he is staying in power by killing the leaders of the Shiauprising and Pakistani soldiers have been sent in support of the Sultan of Bahrain. Finally who was killing whom in Karachi?

    SOmeone else says that Christians have killed Christians and Hindus have killed Hindus so the issue of Muslims killing Muslims is not unique. I agree. OF course it is not unique. Anyway the point here is not about who else is killing someone else. The point is to not give a free pass to the Taliban by defending each suicide attack on mosques, schools and markets by the Taliban by saying, “it cannot be Taliban who did this attack because a Muslim cannot kill a Muslim”. Once sympathy for the terrorists dies down andpeople stop giving money to these mujahideen, Pakistan’s problems with terrorism will start to get addressed.


  • Majid
    Sep 20, 2011 - 3:12AM

    It is unfortunate, nay a tragedy that this nation has been made so delusional so as to be unable to discern facts which are out in the open. Even some of my close friends and relatives, who are otherwise sane and intelligent people, believe in these absurd conspiracy theories which are so prevalent in Pakistan. I believe that the media has failed us terribly. It keeps repeating these absurdities ad nauseum and willing viewers lap it up eagerly. When a vast majority of the population gets their dose of information from opinion shows, which appear to pander to the lowest common denominator, such an abysmal state of collective delusion is to be expected.

    The government has to step up its P.R. game and educate and unite the people against the still rising tide of extremism. There has also concerted effort by the media or the civil society to honor and remember those who have their lives to this scourge. The suffering and misery caused by our brand of barbarians needs to be highlighted if we are to reduce widespread sympathies for these elements. I hope to someday undertake a project to collect the names and photos of the victims, for a sort of our own Vietnam War Memorial, or perhaps someone else more motivated than me can do so.


  • Truth Seeker
    Sep 20, 2011 - 3:34AM

    In the entire Muslim history since the beginning of Islam more Muslims have suffered at the hands of other Muslims, then their combined adversaries; so this claim that ‘A Muslim can’t kill another Muslim’ at best is absurd.
    This idea of ‘perpetual heretic production’ machinery have direct link with this ridiculous belief that a Muslim can’t kill another Muslim.
    That is why for Muslims, one’s martyrs are other’s ‘hell bound’.


  • Truth Seeker
    Sep 20, 2011 - 3:40AM

    @Farhan Janjua:

    Your pale of Islam was ,is and will always be empty, because your judgemental standard will keep the pale clean and pure all the time.


  • Roop Chandel
    Sep 20, 2011 - 3:47AM

    Excellent and daring article.

    Some examples from our own History: Aurangzeb killed his brother Dara. This was not even a problem of Shia or Sunni. At the time of Aurangzeb, there was no RAW, CIA or any foreign agency. History of this continent is full of such examples. Thus one should accept this as a fact and get out of this denial mode.


  • Sep 20, 2011 - 4:00AM

    After your previous disappointing post about “secularism/tolerance”, you have come up with an excellent write-up. I think that fall resulted in this bounce?
    I entirely agree with you.
    After every bomb blast, people go around yapping “a Muslim cannot kill another Muslim and/or A Pakistani cannot kill another Muslim”. These statements are uttered from tea stalls all the way up to interior minister’s press conferences. These statements cause a sub-conscious but a faulted “general knowledge” that “since the attackers cannot be Muslim and Pakistan, they must be enemies of Muslims and Pakistan; therefore, Hindus, Jews, etc”. This results in Pakistani Muslims (most of them) always blaming the others and failing to identify the dirt on their own sleeves. The is problematic.
    Another sentence that I often hear and feel like banging my head to the wall is “why are you fighting each other, both of you are Muslims”. I have heard this so many times that I am disgusted every time I hear it again. The sub-conscious implication beneath this particular sentence is “it is okay to fight with the non-Muslim”. This is getting really sick.


  • Adil
    Sep 20, 2011 - 4:41AM

    Hassan Nisar,a famous columnist once said that I don’t think that Muslims ever had a right leadership after the death of Prophet Mohammed (Sallalahu’AlayheWasallam)…..Whatever happened during Karbala is something to ponder upon….Even today,different groups of Muslims have different versions and opinions about what happened back then.

    Regarding the history of bloodshed among Muslims, human beings have always embarked upon the route of greed,discrimination,lawlessness,wars and battles; and imperialism. Even the region of Indo-Pak Subcontinent has been a site of strifes. The truth about Muslims is that our religious leaders have stopped using logic while interpreting verses of The Holy Quran and Hadiths for the past 1000 years.


  • SaudiRules
    Sep 20, 2011 - 4:55AM

    I have never seen a photograph showing that the talebans and the suicide bombers are circumcised!! This is clearly a proof that muslims are not involved in killing muslims in pakistan. Do not under estimate people’s intelligence.


  • It Is Economy Stupid
    Sep 20, 2011 - 6:10AM

    Rev. Jessie Jackson to Fox News: “I, just, I am exhausted is all. I have fought against white supremacy for so long. So many marches and struggles. So much loss and pain. I have had this burden for so long and I am just spent. And you know? I have never told anyone this, through all of my efforts to help black folk I have begun to see that we are our own worst enemies. There I said it…back in the 1990s when I said that I was scared when I saw a young black man walking towards me, I really meant it.”


  • vasan
    Sep 20, 2011 - 6:24AM

    Islam may be a religion of peace. But arab muslims and their followers are the most violent mob in this world. History can verify this fact.


  • Asif
    Sep 20, 2011 - 8:18AM

    US interference and presence is the root of all instability.



  • damn
    Sep 20, 2011 - 8:34AM

    in the guise of Muslim some people carrying on the evil agenda of demolishing people.s sovereignty,are stick at snatching there freedom,,, ,these cronies should be dealt with iron hand and must wipe out from surface….


  • Sep 20, 2011 - 8:59AM

    @D’maagh: RAW will be flattered to know that you think they are so efficient .


  • Sep 20, 2011 - 9:13AM

    @Farhan Janjua: ” We HAVE to denounce and disown them.” Well said brother i think you may have a solution to the problem excommunicate all terrorists .


  • Faraz Talat
    Sep 20, 2011 - 9:16AM

    Well said,

    Silent consent to religious fanaticism is as deplorable as fanaticism itself. Unknowingly, we have become a petri dish for religious terrorists, and our apathy has become the bane of honest Muslims all over the world.

    Instead of mumbling excuses for this carnage like, “USA does it too, you know..”, we ought to stand up for what’s right and not lose ourselves in a sea of nationalism. We must stop blindly supporting anybody with a Muslim-sounding name and learn to discriminate between what’s religion and what’s sheer chaos being propagated under religion’s guise.


  • Sep 20, 2011 - 9:30AM

    @SaudiRules: Are you implying that photos of the private parts of the suicide bombers be published in newspapers? And even if the public is to bear with this you would then say he was a Jew.


  • faraz
    Sep 20, 2011 - 10:20AM


    Perhaps you don’t know that over 3 dozen militant groups were based in Pakistan before 911, and they had over 500,000 members. They were involved in Afghanistan, Kashmir and sectarian killings inside Pakistan. SSP, LeJ, JeM, LeT, HuM, HuA, HuJI etc existed much before 911. The policy of using civilians to wage proxy wars is the root cause of disaster. Tens of thousands of Pakistanis fought alongside Afghan Taliban in the 90s against the Northern Alliance. Why were they having themselves killed in Afghanistan? Army entered FATA as it had been taken over by variety of militant groups and the state had no authority over there. Isn’t FATA a part of Pakistan. Lal masjid episode proves that militants want to take over the state. There were no drones in Swat but the valley was taken over by Taliban who enforced their medieval ideology on the common man. Taliban blew up schools, hospitals, barber shops and tailor shops for ideological reasons. Situation would slightly improve with US exit but the armed groups wont simple dismantle themselves.


  • maawan
    Sep 20, 2011 - 10:34AM

    Do not follow blindly any information of which you have no direct knowledge. you must verify it for yourself. In the Court of your Lord, you will be held accountable for your hearing, sight, and the faculty of reasoning. (Quran – 17:36)


  • Trying to become a True Muslim!
    Sep 20, 2011 - 10:36AM

    Well i know only one thing, that is, what else this guy has written is TRUE. But dear! we have to show the world that ISLAM is not like that at all. ISLAM is against all kinds of tyranny. It favours the oppressed/tyrannized/terrorized either they are muslims or non-muslims.
    As Iqbal said:
    “Zubaa’n se keh bhi dia Laa’ilaa’h to kya haasil..
    Dil o niga’h musalma’n nahi to kuch bhi nahi..”

    @faridi: Ali was attacked in his Sajdaah during the Salaat ul Fajar and was died after a couple of days. Recommend

  • AAB
    Sep 20, 2011 - 10:47AM

    Regardless of who is killing who, which creed, tribe, religion or ethnicity they belong to, its HUMANS, who are being slewed mercilessly!


  • ezanius
    Sep 20, 2011 - 10:49AM

    great article! Whoever are the players, whoever initiates, one should accept the fact that Muslims are being used and can be used as they are human beings. They are no superior beings like Pharaohs claimed. Philosophy of Islam is PEACE, it doesn’t mean every one that claims to be a Muslim would stick to this philosophy. Islam should not be judged through a Muslim, rather a Muslim should be judged through the lens of Islam.

    Ezanius Rooz


  • Asmat Jamal
    Sep 20, 2011 - 11:54AM

    100 % on the dot. I am of the opinion that “MUSLIMS OFTEN KILL MUSLIMS FOR PETTY MATTERS”. It could be power struggle, greed or personal enmity. We must come out of this denial mode and face reality.
    I fully endorse the views of the author. For those who remain in denial mode for fear or favor to the terrorists, I will quote Kofi Anan who often used to say, “Those who would sacrifice their liberty to gain security usually end up losing both security and liberty
    A number of political and religious leaders are trying to appease the predators. They would fail to buy security for themselves, while they already have compromised their liberty and self -esteem.


  • abdul wahab
    Sep 20, 2011 - 12:16PM

    yet another Liberal Extremist!


  • ik
    Sep 20, 2011 - 12:19PM

    Article should read MUSLIMS IN NAME KILL


  • nauman shah
    Sep 20, 2011 - 12:20PM

    great work.i cant belive you had the courage to say it.hats off.write more of the same we really need more stuff like that


  • AK47
    Sep 20, 2011 - 12:51PM

    Where is that produced evidence?. Why it hasn’t t been shown on media?


  • Akthar
    Sep 20, 2011 - 1:11PM

    @Author: Your Article suffer from some basic errors:
    1. What & Where is the Proof that Taliban is involved in all the killings? Has any court proved anyone guilty? So, how can you blame it on Taliban?
    2. Until 9/11 & Bushs call to Musharraf of bombing Pakistan to Stone Age, almost all of us believed Mujahideen to be holy warriors! So suddenly they became militants?
    3. If Muslims are killing Muslims (& you cleverly blamed it on Taliban), then what
    s our Army doing? They raised & Trained Taliban, that they intend to kill? So, arent the Taliban Muslims? Would you justify killing the Taliban who were heroes who brought down to soviets?
    4. If Pakistan is supporting LeT to fight indian occupation, why not fight chinese occupation of Uighers?
    5. Obviously, great leaders like Imran Khan knows which side he is & the General Pakistani Public is, & that
    s why, he never says anything against Taliban or LeT or SSP, or JeM or other mujahid`s.
    6. Could you please also let us know your stance on the Indonesia, India, Chinese groups in Pakistan supporting mujahideen in those countries?

    I request the Author to come out with a detailed narrative covering the aforesaid points.Recommend

  • Dee Cee
    Sep 20, 2011 - 1:40PM

    @SaudiRules: So you haven’t seen any pictures of circumcised terrorists and you assume they are uncircumcised non-muslims. Why? You haven’t seen any pics of uncircumcised terrorists either. You just haven’t seen any pics. Why base your assumption on unseen evidence? Recommend

  • woohoo
    Sep 20, 2011 - 2:07PM


    The 2nd Caliph wasn’t assassinated by
    a Muslim but by a Persian.

    He was a persian who converted to islam


  • Sadia
    Sep 20, 2011 - 2:18PM

    ok, so two out of four…still proves the author’s point.


  • Bigboy
    Sep 20, 2011 - 2:25PM

    Well if the majority believes that the killers are non-Muslims, doesn’t it make the job of the security forces easier, as far as public support is concerned? Can anybody oppose tackling non-Muslim killers. So why can’t they just take out these non-Muslims, RAW ,CIA, Mossad agents. Go figure.


  • Sadia
    Sep 20, 2011 - 2:28PM

    ok, so from now on passports should use photographs of personal identification and circumcised/uncircumcised body parts for religious identification?


  • Irshad Khan
    Sep 20, 2011 - 2:54PM

    Danyal Noorani has a great courage to tell the truth from history. Now this academic discussion should continue to tell the truth to countrymen and also others. People have been mixing religion with a particular culture and history. Truth is to be known and told at all the costs. We should go through the recent history and we shall come to an eye opening figures. How many Muslims have have been killed in East Pakistan during the war of 1971 there and before; I think more than the figure Hindus and Sikhs killed Muslims during partition days. How many Muslims of either side were killed during war of Iran and Iraq. How many Muslims were killed during closing days of Khilafat-e-Turkey. How many Muslims were killed during changes of Khilafat of one clan to other in Islamic history. How many Muslims are killed in tribal fights in Pakistan, nearly every day; beside wars of Afghans with each other in the name of Mujahidin and Jihad and where innumerable Pakistanis are involved and killed, nobody is keeping the figure. How many Muslims were killed during the wars to conquer Delhi, from one Muslim family to other. People have forgotten massacre of Muslims by Afghans in Panipat, particularly by Durrani also in delhi. Why brutalities of one sect are neglected when they kill their brothers, women and children, destroy schools, mosques and universities of learning and challenge Muslim rulers Of Pakistan. Their crimes are covered by saying that they are taking revenge from Americans, but whom they are killing. We should enumerate the killings and tell the truth to avoid these massacres in future times. Muslims have been involved in wars and totally forgetting research work, inventions and discoveries to serve the humanity.Recommend

  • antanu
    Sep 20, 2011 - 5:27PM

    truem but with one basic difference… early days killings were done for politics. Still there were no such incidents as killing innocent woman and children, kidnapping them and using them for bargain. Dont mix up those killing with today’s senseless violence. Writer should understand this fact first.


  • AbdurRahmanX
    Sep 20, 2011 - 5:49PM

    May Allah reward you brother. You are Allah’s evidence that there is good everywhere. There are good Pakistani Muslims. There is a lot of ignorance in the world right now. Unfortunately, we Muslims have our share of this disease. When people like you speak up, it is shifa from Allah.


  • Umar
    Sep 20, 2011 - 6:05PM

    Abu lolo Feroz (the guy who killed Hazrat Umar) was not a muslim.


  • Qaseem
    Sep 20, 2011 - 6:17PM

    This article is an eye-opener especially for the ignorant souls of the society. It just enforces the fact that our society is ”flooded with Muslims by Fate & not with Muslims by Choice”. The basic essence of religion is lost & every individual has conspired a different connotation of Islam in his or her own head!!


  • Salman
    Sep 20, 2011 - 6:19PM

    spot on .. thats what our holy warriors are good at , slaughter those who dont agree than blame it on jews and kfc … wonder if ever our high on some thing ummah will wake up and smell the coffee , Disown these retards who kill innocent people there are no good / bad terrorist .. lets have A category for this kind,Recommend

  • SaudiRules
    Sep 20, 2011 - 6:21PM

    @Every one who had commented on my post,
    It was a “tongue in cheeck” comment. Beleive me there are our country men/women who have used the ” not circumcised? argument. In fact a news article appeared here in tribune with similar “proofs” after a terrorist attack in peshawar. LOL.


  • Naseer
    Sep 20, 2011 - 6:35PM

    A mirror showing article. Nice work.


  • amlendu
    Sep 20, 2011 - 6:52PM

    @Jamil Siraj:
    But christians or Hindus don’t use the excuse that christians don’t kill christians or hindus don’t kill hindus. Author is talking about this deep rooted denial in Pakistan and you are talking insanity.Recommend

  • Muslims lack empathy
    Sep 20, 2011 - 6:52PM

    Erosion of empathy is the cause of all evils. Islam apparently doesn’t provide optimism in this regard. The people who are conspiracy theorists (generally the whole of Pakistan) also lack empathy towards their own self.


  • observer
    Sep 20, 2011 - 7:31PM


    Where does this violence all start? The US war, and Pakistan’s support for it.

    Wow, I did not know that US has been around since,

    A. the murder of khilafah rashidun.

    B. the eradication of the descendants of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) in the fields of Karbala.

    C. the killing of the Lodhis by Babur and the killing of the Mughals by Sher Shah.

    D. the massacre of 20,000 souls by Nadir Shah in the streets of Delhi.

    E. and the mass murder of Bengali Muslims in 1971.

    Thank you for enlightening me.


  • Sep 20, 2011 - 7:52PM

    @Akthar: Maybe all your arguments could have been accepted but for the 35000 civilians killed in the last few years .


  • Irshad Khan
    Sep 20, 2011 - 8:07PM

    I wish to add further that most of Muslim invaders from north came in search of Indian wealth and not in the interest of Islam and did not distinguish between a Hindu or Muslim ruler to conquer, murder muslims to achieve their aims. India was known as the richest countries of the world, as America was not discovered yet. Most of the Muslim rulers of India did no service to Islam but had a Luxury life and enjoyed 3Ws of India (Wealth, Women and Wines). They were very fond of dancing girls(Mujra) and singers of India. They built splendid Qilas, Mausoleums and Gardens to enjoy their life. They also tried to introduce new sects and new rituls in Islam. While winning, a war they used to make heaps of Skulls from dead and dying soldiers, whether Muslim or non-Muslim, to spread horror in the region. These were barbarian acts of Taimur and Babur and many others, against Muslims and non Muslims without any distinction. Many invaders destroyed worship places of other religions, looted wealth and took it away to their homeland. How these acts can be justified by any true Muslim?


  • Kallu Mama
    Sep 20, 2011 - 8:10PM

    So have never seen a photograph showing that the talebans and the suicide bombers are NOT circumcised??please tell me where n which site ? This is another humbug which has spread thro net like wildfire

    Jago Mohan Pyaare ; smell the burning flesh !

    Yours Truly

    Kallu Mama


  • Doctor
    Sep 20, 2011 - 8:54PM

    @ Akthar – you make great points. Pakistanis have long believed they are victims but really in Pakistan we have made everyone else a victim and we thought it was okay but now the truth is biting us in the rear end.


  • observer
    Sep 20, 2011 - 9:19PM

    @Jamil Shiraj

    u may see bloodshed in christrian history, In Germany Jews killing, in Spain killig of muslims & Jews, in Bosnia killing muslims by Serb Christians,
    And what is more, they also blamed it on CIA/RAW/Mossad. You got it right brother Pakistanis are not alone in this.Recommend

  • observer
    Sep 20, 2011 - 9:29PM

    @Saudi Rules
    I have never seen a photograph showing that the talebans and the suicide bombers are circumcised!! This is clearly a proof that muslims are not involved in killing muslims in pakistan.
    Have you seen a photograph of Air? Or Earthworms being born? This is clear proof that Air does not exist and Earthworms do not procreate.
    Do not under estimate people’s intelligence.
    ‘Under estimating’ your intelligence would be a challenge, for any estimate is likely to be a huge over estimate.Recommend

  • SaudiRules
    Sep 20, 2011 - 11:30PM

    Those complaining about my comments about “circumcision” LOL. It was tongue in cheek comment as these are the same people who also believe “muslims dont kill muslims”


  • Umer
    Sep 21, 2011 - 2:48AM

    The so-called muslims who are causing severe bloodshed are the “Kharijis”; about whom the prophet of Allah has beware us. Some signs of these kharijis are they attack and destroy muslims and spare non-muslims.

    These kharijis are present among us since the time of Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.). It is our duty to identify these elements and raise our voice against them.

  • Cynical
    Sep 21, 2011 - 5:37AM


    We are in deep sleep.Please don’t wake us up.


  • Asif
    Sep 21, 2011 - 8:02AM


    The violence in Pakistan, the daily attacks on police and the suicide attacks did not happen prior to the US war. Pakistani subservience to the US cost them dearly. It is a subservience that conveniently seems to escape the author of this article as the root cause of the violence in the region.

    This is the natural reaction to US meddling and interference.

    If there was no Islam, people would still react violently.

    Look at the symptoms, not the reaction.

    US has been interfering in the Muslim world for far too long, and its high time it stops. Its high time, there be no relations whatsoever.


  • observer
    Sep 21, 2011 - 10:47AM


    The violence in Pakistan, the daily attacks on police and the suicide attacks did not happen prior to the US war. Pakistani subservience to the US cost them dearly.

    January,17-Karachi, Pakistan – A powerful explosive device detonated in front of a sugarcane juice shop in Karachi. At least eight people were killed in the blast and 14 injured.

    January,27-At least two people were killed and seven others were injured in a bomb explosion that took place at a mosque in Qayumbad

    April,7-Lahore-A bomb planted on a fruit crate exploded in Medina Chowk, a large bus terminal in Lahore. The site of the blast is congregated by bus passengers

    April,8th-Rawalpindi-Rawalpindi A bomb went off in Rawalpindi injuring five people. The explosion went off in a hotel in Raja Bazaar

    April,12- Mallow Wali-At least fifteen people were killed in an attack on a mosque near the capital. According to police unidentified assailants first cut the telephone wires to the village of Mallow Wali and then threw grenades into the mosque before spraying the worshippers with gunfire

    I can go on citing examples, but see for yourself and verify,2000Recommend

  • Gautam
    Sep 21, 2011 - 1:39PM

    “”Religious minorities expect to be last on the list when there is aid to be given out.””

    Are these people less worse thn the terrorists ?


  • saad
    Sep 21, 2011 - 1:56PM

    in short there are good talibans and bad talibans.


  • Sep 21, 2011 - 2:57PM

    @observer: As per Asif pre 9/11 it was RAW&MOSSAD post 9/11 CIA joined in . The conspiracy guys always have there pet answers ready . It is difficult to show the brainwashed the light .


    Sep 21, 2011 - 7:50PM

    Unfortunately, there is precedent for Muslims killing Muslim in Islamic history. Well said. Good job


  • Ali
    Sep 21, 2011 - 8:26PM

    They might apparently be muslims..But Actually they are funded and supported by CIA, Raw and Mosad…These agencies are doing all this for a long time..and attack on mosques, police, forces are all supported by these agencies…


  • Amir Khaista
    Sep 22, 2011 - 4:56AM

    I understand what the Author is trying to prove here but lets how Authentic is this statement TEHREEK E TALIBAN PAKISTAN CLAIMED RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ATTACK ??
    We live in a world where Television and Media play a big role. both can not be trusted and 99% of the times when there is a Suicide/Bomb attack anywhere in Pakistan the very first thing the LiveStream media comes up with is TTP CLAIMED RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ATTACK.
    which makes me Laugh as if they are the only enemy Pakistan has or is fighting.


  • Ayesha
    Sep 22, 2011 - 1:42PM

    so sad:(


  • NSR
    Sep 25, 2011 - 8:22PM

    Wonderful article. The comments are especially eye opening. I am an Indian, and from what I am seeing it seems to me that in my country, the only competent entity is ISI and in your country it is RAW – simply because everything wrong that happens in our countries is blamed on the opposite sides’ intelligence agency.

    I hope one day we can break this vicious cycles. The sub-continent as a whole faces innumerable problems, and we just expend our energies playing the blame game.


  • Fatima
    Sep 26, 2011 - 5:10PM

    “Radicalism is the natural reaction to US interference in the Muslim world. Their interference must stop.”

    This is not radicalism; It’s MURDER of innocents.
    Is THAT what you’d do because you’re mad at a foreign country invading yours…
    blow up your OWN people?
    and be SURE to do it during salaat?
    and IN the mosques?!
    and don’t forget to blow up CHILDREN on schoolbusses?
    Wake up and smell the coffee.
    These are murderers, control-freaks, who’d kill your grandmother or your baby girl just as soon as look at you if you didn’t agree with them on ANYTHING.
    They are “muslims” because they say they are, but they in no way resemble “Muslims” rightly guided by the Quran.
    Please STOP making excuses for this EVIL.Recommend

  • Sep 26, 2011 - 10:14PM

    You are correct in your assertion that Muslims kill Muslims—but with one important qualifier, a qualifier that is not adequately presented in the article. Muslims who are not wholly committed to the cause of Allah are regarded as hypocrites. Hypocrites, say the Qur’an, are to be hunted down and killed (Surah 9:73; also see Q 4.95; 5.35; 8.72, 74-75; 9.16, 41, 44, 81; 16.110; 22.78; 25.52; 29.6, 69; 47.31; 60.1; 66.9).

    Illustrations abound. In the early centuries of Islam, three civil wars brought out against the growing Sunni-Shia divide. This is because the Sunnis believed the Shias to be hypocrites and the Shias thought the same of the Sunnis. In more recent centuries, the Wahhabi movement was intended to purify Islam from its compromising tendencies. As a result tens of thousands of Muslims were killed by the Wahhabis (seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, mostly).

    Honor killings are another way in which Muslims kill other Muslims. In this case, the one being killed is a Muslim woman who had shamed a Muslim family due to sexual promiscuity.
    Hence, the theological rationale for a Muslim to kill another Muslim is that the Muslim worthy of death has committed treason against Allah.


  • Some people lack empathy
    Sep 26, 2011 - 11:42PM

    Hence Dr. Greer, you identify the fallacy in this notion of ‘Muslims kill Muslims’ because with that logic you have specified, there shouldn’t be any Muslim left standing on the planet earth, but reality is the opposite: people kill people, Muslims or otherwise.


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