Pre-dawn abduction: American ‘aid expert’ kidnapped in Lahore

Published: August 14, 2011
Police officials gather outside the residence of an American citizen after he was kidnapped in Lahore. PHOTO: MEHMOOD QURESHI/EXPRESS

Police officials gather outside the residence of an American citizen after he was kidnapped in Lahore. PHOTO: MEHMOOD QURESHI/EXPRESS

Police officials gather outside the residence of an American citizen after he was kidnapped in Lahore. PHOTO: MEHMOOD QURESHI/EXPRESS Police and security officials gather outside the residence of an American citizen, whom the U.S. embassy declined to identify, after he was kidnapped in Lahore August 13, 2011. PHOTO: REUTERS

An American aid expert was kidnapped at gunpoint from his house in Lahore on Saturday after gunmen stormed through the back door and overpowered his guards.

The US embassy identified the man, who police said was 63 years old, as Warren Weinstein and said that he worked for a private company. He was snatched before dawn in the upscale Model Town neighbourhood, just two days before he was due to return to the United States after spending more than four years in the country.

Police described how eight kidnappers forced their way into the house as Weinstein’s guards were having their Sehari at 3:30 am.

“Somebody knocked on the main door. One of the guards said that when he opened the door, he saw three men standing there. They offered meals to the guard, who politely refused,” said police official Tajamul Hussain.

Just as one of the guards, Aurangzeb, refused “five more men climbed into the house using the back door, overpowered the guards and tied their hands behind their back,” Hussain added. “They asked Weinstein’s driver, Muhammad Israr, to knock on his bedroom door. When Weinstein opened the door, they grabbed him.”

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the kidnapping.

Police said Weinstein had lived in Lahore since 2006, working for J E Austin Associates, however police were never informed about him. Police claimed that the manner in which the kidnapping was carried out was extremely well planned and meticulously executed, ruling out the incident to be a case of kidnapping for ransom.

“He was to return to the US on August 15 as his firm had completed the project in Fata,” said SP Model Town Malik Awas. He added that Weinstein was a highly paid official and that the case had been transferred to the organised crime department.

SP Investigation Model Town Shoaib Khurram Janbaz told The Express Tribune that the two cameras at separate entries of the house had been out of order for last two years, adding that his (Weinstein’s) guards and driver were being interrogated.

“We are working with local authorities on the investigation, and we also are in contact with next of kin and are providing the family with consular support,” State Department spokeswoman Joanne Moore told AFP.

A biography of Weinstein on his consulting firm’s website said he has a doctorate in international law and economics, is a Fulbright Scholar with 25 years of experience in international development projects who speaks six foreign languages and is well known among donor agencies.

“Currently, Dr Weinstein is serving as chief of party for JAA (J E Austin Associates) on the Pakistan Initiative for Strategic Development and Competitiveness,” the firm’s website said. Later on Saturday, Weinstein’s biography was removed from the website.

A representative of J E Austin could not be immediately reached for comment at the firm’s office in Arlington.

According to its website, the Virginia-based J E Austin has completed more than 500 projects in 100 countries on behalf of clients all over the world, including the US Agency for International Development (USAID), the main foreign aid arm of the US government, according to a USAID report on the project.

Police said Weinstein travelled widely within Pakistan, and had returned to Lahore from Islamabad on Thursday.

The US State Department last Monday revised its travel warning, saying that Americans throughout Pakistan have been kidnapped for ransom or for personal reasons.

Recent foreign targets

The Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) has claimed responsibility for kidnapping a Swiss couple in July in Balochistan. Eight Pakistani employees of a US-based aid organisation, American Refugee Committee (ARC), were kidnapped in Balochistan last month.

(With additional input from wires)

Published in The Express Tribune, August 14th, 2011.

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Reader Comments (91)

  • naveed amjad
    Aug 13, 2011 - 11:36AM

    why are people being kidnapped to exchange for afia? she was a deranged ideologue and nothing more.
    the real qaum ki betis are women like sherry rehman,sheharbano taseer and asma jehangir and mukhtara mai.


  • f
    Aug 13, 2011 - 11:51AM

    Another conspiracy created by CIA.


  • Ex Pakistani
    Aug 13, 2011 - 11:59AM

    Sad news! Muslim tradition is if someone is in your home no matter who it is they have safety. If we cant secure our guest we fail as muslims


  • Frank
    Aug 13, 2011 - 12:17PM

    Police identified the man as “JE
    Warner”, who they said was working on
    a development project in the tribal

    Yeah right, and Raymond Davis was helping lil ole ladies cross Lahore’s busy roads.


  • Aug 13, 2011 - 12:54PM

    and that development project was to develop latest bombs and test them in Pakistan.


  • Rational Mind
    Aug 13, 2011 - 12:54PM

    @Frank: Loved your comments

    “They said the couple could be freed in exchange for a Pakistani woman serving a jail term in the United States for shooting FBI agents and US soldiers in Afghanistan”

    @ET: Does that woman have a name also or ET and Reuters have very short memory


  • Anda Beenda
    Aug 13, 2011 - 12:59PM

    @Ex Pakistani:
    I hope you did not move out from Pak to Live in UK!
    Anyways, does nt seem like he was really working on “development” projects
    in Fata area…………..Recommend

  • Ali
    Aug 13, 2011 - 1:02PM

    Since the government cant handle these American agents as required (Raymond Davis being a Case in point), non-state actors get involved! Interestingly, they have public support too! So let’s not sit in denial and push our govt to stop the American intervention!Recommend

  • hassan
    Aug 13, 2011 - 1:25PM

    no one can use our place for own purpose


  • Ahmed
    Aug 13, 2011 - 1:36PM

    Pakistani Taliban, linked to al Qaeda, have claimed responsibility for kidnapping a Swiss couple in July, also in Balochistan.
    They said the couple could be freed in exchange for a Pakistani woman serving a jail term in the United States for shooting FBI agents and US soldiers in Afghanistan.

    another US attack?


  • XX
    Aug 13, 2011 - 1:40PM

    “JE Warner”… or “Warren Weinstein”?

    US Embassy spokesman Alberto Rodriguez says it is the latter, according to CNN:

    However, apparently the Embassy refused to identify the kidnapped to Reuters:

    He works for J.E. Austin Associates, Inc., based in Arlington, VA, a sister city to Washington, D.C.:
    As you can see from their website, they are focused on nurturing business-led growth in developing countries. They are technically not a non-profit.


  • Aug 13, 2011 - 1:49PM

    “Yeah right, and Raymond Davis was helping lil ole ladies cross Lahore’s busy roads.” ha ha ha, you are funny.Recommend

  • Iftikhar-ur-Rehman
    Aug 13, 2011 - 2:43PM

    If he is CIA he got what he deserved!!!


  • MN
    Aug 13, 2011 - 2:57PM

    Yup, we knew Americans were always working so hard in the tribal areas… After all the developments are needed ONLY in those areas. What’s next?


  • Ex Pakistani
    Aug 13, 2011 - 3:10PM

    @Muhammad Saifullah Khalid:
    So you are condoning the kidnapping? So you think based on your thoughts is the world and that includes muslims states wrong in considering Pakistan a terrorist state?


  • HT
    Aug 13, 2011 - 3:45PM

    so now every white person is a CIA agent and every brown man a terrorist … time to break ree from our stereotypes


  • Aug 13, 2011 - 3:55PM

    Seeing our acrid relations with the US, the kidnapped (J E Warner or whatever) should have let better sense prevail and left Pakistan years ago. And that too working on a development project in the tribal areas for five to six years. Frankly this corporate insanity to have a development project in the lawless tribal lands looks like another CIA conjured trick.

    My heartfelt commiserations to you Mr. Warner but please take the first flight out of our country when you are released.

    Even in the USA, UK and Europe kidnapping for ransom continues to the day.


  • abc
    Aug 13, 2011 - 4:11PM

    amercians will never learn
    that who is there brother and who is there enemy.
    Amercains are there own enemy as long as they feed pakistan and there terrorist.


  • Ishtiaer Hussain
    Aug 13, 2011 - 5:30PM

    @naveed amjad:
    You can’t be more correct on the point you just raised. Our media is not showing why Dr. Afia was “kidnapped and tortured” by the US. She had links with Al-Qaeda men and had maps of certain sensitive locations in the US. She was involved in active planning to trigger terrorism in the US.
    Though, i condemn the way she was somehow kidnapped and treated by the US. But if someone is saying that she is entirely innocent, i don’t agree with that view.


  • Babloo
    Aug 13, 2011 - 5:44PM

    Looks like the state has acquired a ‘new strategic asset’.


  • bunty
    Aug 13, 2011 - 5:48PM

    @naveed amjad: the others u mentioned are deranged self proclaimed liberal ideologues


  • Nadeem Ahmed
    Aug 13, 2011 - 5:52PM

    Davis was not kidnapped because he did not let it happen. Before they kidnap him, he killed both abductors. Secondly he had no Pakistani Gurads, therefore his abduction was not easy. This guy trusted Pakistani Security Guards, who let him down. These security guards are useless, cannot protect anyone.


  • Ex Pakistani
    Aug 13, 2011 - 5:56PM

    so you condone acts of terrorism? How do you find out if he is not? As a human being is this what our first reaction be?


  • Ex Pakistani
    Aug 13, 2011 - 5:57PM

    @Anda Beenda:
    I should because if this is how we think then i dont want to be part of this nation anyway


  • Malik Sajjad
    Aug 13, 2011 - 6:00PM

    It is all by Black Water, Sure about that.


  • Roflcopter
    Aug 13, 2011 - 6:39PM

    aid expert? cough CIA agent cough


  • Pragmatist
    Aug 13, 2011 - 6:56PM

    Pakistanis are digging the hole deeper and deeper. Soon there will be no way out. It is time somebody gave you a reality check. You CAN’T win against the West. You neither have the financial might, intellectual resources or the military power to take on the Americans. The sooner Pakistan realizes its place in the pecking order, the better. Having nukes doesn’t mean squat when your country is going down the gurgler.


  • Aug 13, 2011 - 7:19PM

    Yes every American must be a CIA agent just because the headline puts it in inverted commas!! Why is that btw?


  • Cautious
    Aug 13, 2011 - 7:25PM

    Old man trying to help Pakistan gets kidnapped and Pakistan celebrates — and you wonder why the World has a poor opinion of you.


  • Raj
    Aug 13, 2011 - 7:58PM

    He will be released and kidnappers will be punished as per Pakisatn Penal Code because he is an American.


  • Peace On Earth
    Aug 13, 2011 - 9:08PM

    The Tribune should not write about “aid expert” in quotations which is basically implying that the kidnapped man is someone else.

    What proof does The Tribune have?Recommend

  • Joe
    Aug 13, 2011 - 9:10PM

    If my name was Warren Weinstein, I sure wouldn’t be snooping around Pakistan. Is that USAID in budget cuts? No more bread or bullets.


  • Khalid Rahim
    Aug 13, 2011 - 9:52PM

    Open the map of Virginia USA and see how far is Arlington from Langley both in Virginia?
    J E Austin Inc a honeycomb for Bush Center Operations.


  • rehmat
    Aug 13, 2011 - 10:50PM

    It is unclear why ET insinuates that this man was somehow a CIA guy – done by putting the words ‘aid expert’ in inverted commas. But I am particularly shocked by majority of the posters who are celebrating the kidnapping of a 60+ man who was trying to do some good in Pakistan.

    On the one hand, it is automatically assumed that any white person is a CIA agent. On the other hand, you see all these articles about how to market tourism in Pakistan and push the warm hospitality. Is this hospitality to kidnap an old man from his home at night in a holy month?

    I notice that people do not seem to realize that this man was a Jew or else they would be celebrating even more. The kidnappers and all kidnapping supporters that I see on ET – you are the ones that bring a bad name to Islam. You should be ashamed of yourself.


  • Anjum
    Aug 13, 2011 - 10:51PM

    CIA game play


  • Anjum
    Aug 13, 2011 - 10:59PM

    @Peace On Earth:
    Are you for real??? Naive…


  • Anjum
    Aug 13, 2011 - 11:02PM

    Haha…the “world” with your types? Who cares


  • Anjum
    Aug 13, 2011 - 11:07PM

    @Ishtiaer Hussain:
    And forreign agencies igniting troubles are? Do us all a favor and do some research first, start by googling… Then contribute in the forum intelligently


  • Anjum
    Aug 13, 2011 - 11:12PM

    @Ex Pakistani:
    Goodbye. The rest of us will stay and make things in order.


  • Anjum
    Aug 13, 2011 - 11:13PM

    Haha..of course.


  • Anjum
    Aug 13, 2011 - 11:15PM

    @Malik Sajjad:
    Sure it is. But why are they allowed to do it on our soil? Incompetency?


  • Mr X
    Aug 13, 2011 - 11:20PM

    Oh man this poor sap is an american jew.


  • Anjum
    Aug 13, 2011 - 11:22PM

    Not ordinary Amrikis. But their agencies working for american companies through the Amriki government. Every knowledgable person knows that. Do some studies and research. Internet is free..


  • Anjum
    Aug 13, 2011 - 11:27PM

    Actively done by your companies, gov. and agencies, we know, americans are good at destroying countries. But inshallah you will not succeed. This is pakistan. We are as patriotic as Americans. Pak zindabad


  • MS - Mariya
    Aug 14, 2011 - 12:58AM

    Well said HT

    If he is a CIA operative, arrest him in broad day light and take him to courts. Why this whole drama bazaee of kidnapping. Why act like a choor even when catching a criminal. Anyone supporting this ‘kidnapping cum drama bazee’ is supporting lawlessness which is already taking hold of our society.

    If he not a CIA operative, this is bad and we should not just declare every American evil like we don’t want the Americans to label us.


  • Aug 14, 2011 - 1:00AM

    Doesn’t Warren Weinstein sound like a very made-up name? Like something an anorak sitting in Langley (CIA HQ not to far away from Arlington) would have thought up.


  • MS - Mariya
    Aug 14, 2011 - 1:03AM

    All is well in the comment section till you see an indian talking rubbish. Really cant control their evil souls.


  • Desert Fox
    Aug 14, 2011 - 2:29AM

    Another CIA operative picked up by the intelligence agencies…..this will probably continue as time passes….and the US government will go to any extent to tell lies about the person’s status/profession. Aid workers, journalists and Oil and Mining Company executives are usually CIA operatives. Thats for sure !!! So no surprise here. This guy must be involved with something important.


  • MS - Mariya
    Aug 14, 2011 - 2:31AM

    Good reply to Ex-pakistani.

    Glad to see Pakistanis speaking up


  • Observer3
    Aug 14, 2011 - 3:05AM

    @MS – Mariya:
    I guess everybody who shows us the mirror of ugly truth is an Indian, right??


  • Domlurian
    Aug 14, 2011 - 3:08AM

    He must be a non-state actor from the US, just like the non-state actors from Pakistan who attacked Bombay on 26/11. (you get what i mean?)


  • Tariq
    Aug 14, 2011 - 4:10AM

    For any muslim to indulge in such a heinous crime like kidnapping in the month of Ramadhan is grotesque and unacceptable. If this American was involved in some mysterious activities, even than we must realize that it is our government which gives them the permission to carry out such business. He was a guest in Pakistan with a valid permission to stay, as such this act of kidnapping is unbecoming of a muslim. It will only further harm us in the international community, where we are already being looked at with suspicion. Pakistan only stands to suffer because of such deeds, which could only be planned by those who have no loyalty to this country. What were our intelligence agencies doing?.


  • Dallas Ali
    Aug 14, 2011 - 4:12AM

    Sad to see all the hate, slander and bigotry. Is this a Muslim nation. Folks show some compassion. Mr. Weinstien was a guest in Pakistan. Is it not Ramazan?


  • pakpinoy
    Aug 14, 2011 - 4:13AM

    There are so many idiot posters here. There is no freakin’ way a man 60+ working/living for 5-6 years in Pakistan is CIA! Does anyone here have a brain???

    I am really sick of the attitudes of Pakistanis. America, my country, gives you guys billions in aid and a few “fearless” and often “selfless” people brave the harsh culture and dangerous security environment to actually help in a small way and you label them all CIA agents! It’s pathetic!!!

    I spent almost 10 years building a business there only to now be suffering the same fate. But I’m fed up. The only people welcome in Pakistan nowadays are terrorists with long beards, sharp tongues and violent deeds. Any decent white guy with a brave soul and big heart is part of some “vast conspiracy” against the Muslim world and the people of Pakistan!

    But I understand why everyone believes the conspiracies so easily. They can’t imagine any sane person who would even travel to the God-awful place, much less for development & relief work, business or some other charity! They can’t imagine such because they are all dying to get out of the place. It’s truly a pathetic mental state the nation squalors in endlessly!


  • Malik Sajjad
    Aug 14, 2011 - 4:13AM

    nobody is celebrating, you cunning cheater.


  • pakpinoy
    Aug 14, 2011 - 4:32AM

    @Khalid Rahim & @DarkStar

    For all those ignorantly uninformed, every freakin’ development organization which serve primarily as contractors for large USAID projects are based in the broader DC area — i.e. Arlington, VA!!

    And Weinstein is an incredibly common Jewish-American name. Why in God’s name would the CIA send an operative with a freakin’ Jewish name??

    At least if you want to dream up new conspiracies, use your brain a little bit and be a little more creative.


  • bilal
    Aug 14, 2011 - 5:30AM

    Please No Indian comments here, Indian do enough propaganda on cnn, foxnews, bbc etc in the comments section on every news related to Pakistan


  • indi pindi shindi
    Aug 14, 2011 - 5:32AM

    @Ex Pakistani:
    You are actually not par of this nation. makes one wonder why is you here to begin with when you are already a 2nd class citizen of a now AAA rated or better country!
    Thank god you were not some american who grep up in the 60’s with all that discrimination against the black folk. I am sure you would ve burnt your umrekan passport!

    Seems like even when you were back in Pak,. u were some major loser considering your online choice on a name! We are glad you can now afford a BMW & a mortgaged house!


  • Amir
    Aug 14, 2011 - 6:11AM

    He was an Aid worker for FATA same as Raymond Davis was…


  • vasan
    Aug 14, 2011 - 6:13AM

    MS- Mariya: You are unnecessarily dragging “India” into this. Cant face the truths posted by Indians, I guess, Because “Truths” are evil to Pakistanis like you.


  • narayana murthy
    Aug 14, 2011 - 7:23AM

    MS – Mariya says “All is well in the comment section till you see an indian talking rubbish. Really cant control their evil souls.”

    It’s the soul of a Hindu Baniye. It’s always evil. Unlike peaceful, compassionate, secular, progressive Pakistanis.


  • MK
    Aug 14, 2011 - 9:14AM

    Strange, this man was working in the Tribal areas and at a bare minimum he should have been living in Peshawar or even Islamabad, but not Lahore. Just a thought !!


  • John
    Aug 14, 2011 - 9:18AM

    Of coarse it is an inside job, the butler did it.


  • ba-ha
    Aug 14, 2011 - 10:04AM

    Pakistan is world No. 5 in milk production seems odd this man was teaching then to selling milk. He was more like milking US aid in Pakistan’s name. In any case the kidnapping was wrong


  • Dallas Ali
    Aug 14, 2011 - 10:07AM

    Well said.

    It is so sad to see nation get to this level and common man man making slanderous accusation without any insight.

    This country is doomed. Even if Mr Weinstien is Jewish so what. They are believers of the Holy book & does the average Pakistani sees that ISI probably has its presence in US & elsewhere.

    For heavens sake show some Mercy and fairness as we all have to meet our maker someday,


  • Awara Boy
    Aug 14, 2011 - 10:57AM

    Black Water/CIA aka Aid Workers/Diplomats!


  • Ex Pakistani
    Aug 14, 2011 - 11:04AM

    @MS – Mariya: You are absolutely right… he gave me a befitting response. While I wouldnt normally respond this way but what the heck let me say what I feel like…. Your country… all the best with it… no light, no law, no justice, no future… I wish you all the best with your mullahs, your taliban, your corrupt politicians, your corrupt judiciary and buearuecracy, broken roads,falling education standards. All the best please fix it in the existing system.
    I will leave a letter for my future generations to check on YOUR PAKISTAN in 150 years to see if it has come out of the abyss or still crawling down there….
    My guess is still there when young people in Pakistan dont see the problem within


  • Ex Pakistani
    Aug 14, 2011 - 11:04AM

    It seems we are in gutter and we love the smell


  • Ex Pakistani
    Aug 14, 2011 - 11:20AM

    @indi pindi shindi:
    Thanks mate! I am a citizen of a AAA rated country which has alot of cash at hand… not part of the redundant anglo saxon economy. My kids go to a really good school. I actually have two really good cars. I will pray for you to atleast get one day without load shedding.


  • MK
    Aug 14, 2011 - 11:24AM

    It’s very strange that this guy was working in the Tribal area and he was living in Lahore, does’nt make sense. His residence should have been at the bare minimum in Peshawar or Islamabad. Just a thought.!!!


  • Ex Pakistani
    Aug 14, 2011 - 12:18PM

    Nations who believe in conspiracy theory are most likely to conspire..


  • B
    Aug 14, 2011 - 12:23PM

    A very sad start to our 64th independence day. What kind of country are we to celebrate abductions and make it difficult for foreigners to live here? Things like these are going to bring us plane loads of tourists?? What is wrong with us that we have lost the hospitality we were renowned for and now attack all foreigners and suspect them of being spies. And really who cares of they are spies, if we strengthen our nation and educate our people and ensure economic prosperity no one can harm us. Spy games have been played since the world was created. We have our spies too all over the world.

    If we let our obsession with conspiracy theories and this new hate for foreigners take over, the only losers are us Pakistanis. No one wants to come here anyways, and the few who do we suspect of spying without proof. Yes my fellow citizens shoot yourselves in the foot some more.


  • T.U
    Aug 14, 2011 - 12:32PM

    I was looking forward to traveling in Lahor in this autumn, but I am very sorry I heve to give up to go to Pakisatan. But I like Pakistan very much.


  • Pakistani
    Aug 14, 2011 - 2:07PM

    His development work in FATA reminds us of polio campaign of CIA.


  • Aug 14, 2011 - 2:41PM

    My post was not a serious attempt at proving some sort of CIA connection. It was a light remark.
    The nature of espionage is such that it could hardly ever be proven to have occurred, much less proven by someone like myself who has no connection with aforementioned events.
    Considering the US is dropping bombs and missiles on us on an almost daily basis, it should not seem strange that any shady US going ons in the country will be construed or misconstrued with their clandestine efforts, i.e. spying. Remember McCarthyism?


  • Aug 14, 2011 - 2:48PM

    America gives us some aid in the shape of loans, to buy second hand overpriced american equipment for our army.
    It also gives loans knowing full well the corrupt politicians they planted will siphon them off and line their pockets, while the pakistani state is left with the bill and the interest.
    In the past decade hardly 6 Billion dollars was loaned, the majority of it being spent on being your policeman on the afghan border.
    The cost of operations is much more than what was given, especially if you count the loss to the economy of more than 70 billion dollars since 2001.
    The Pakistani people do not wish for this “Aid”, forever tied to strings, forever used to browbeat us into submission, and used to burden us with even more debt.
    Take your measly aid sums and the politicians you give them to. A good place to put would be where the sun doesn’t shine.


  • asif
    Aug 14, 2011 - 5:19PM

    @Ex Pakistani, Brother you are going through a serious identity crisis. A lot of people have been down this path and I wish you all the best in finding an identity that you can truly live with.


  • malik
    Aug 14, 2011 - 8:39PM

    I have a better theory: the said American has kidnapped himself to bring bad name to our glorious country !


  • Khurram
    Aug 14, 2011 - 11:05PM

    @ExPakistani: “Sad news! Muslim tradition is if someone is in your home no matter who it is they have safety. If we cant secure our guest we fail as muslims.”

    Sir, you are you are expecting too much, we are Muslim by name only, calling us hyporites be rather more appropriate.


  • Nadeem Ahmed
    Aug 15, 2011 - 1:02AM

    MK says “It’s very strange that this guy was working in the Tribal area and he was living in Lahore, does’nt make sense. His residence should have been at the bare minimum in Peshawar or Islamabad. Just a thought”.!!!
    Have you ever thought that our rulers, rule in Islamabad, holiday in London, business in Dubai, shop in Paris and beg in Washington. If that is not strange, then why this guy’s living in Lahore is strange.


  • Dallas Ali
    Aug 15, 2011 - 9:03AM

    @Nadeem Ahmed:

    It does make sense for Mr Warren Weinstein to work in Lahore. He was a PhD & he does not work physically. His work is theoretical and he advises and help with his theory so Lahore does make sense as it (probably) has better infrastructure and more intellectual resources available. Our President B. Hussain Obama’s late mother was an adviser & consultant to ADP. Shame on a country that does not take these resources offered to them for free.

    Pakistan has been left behind. If the knuckleheads don’t change they will be left in dust & written off in history as a failed nation. I am sure Pak will have lot of company along with Somalia, N. Korea and most of the Middle East.


  • komal
    Aug 15, 2011 - 10:34AM

    Daniel Pearl redux.Only difference is that his guards who were also Ex-SSG commandos are suspected to be involved thing can solve the motive of this case by knowing Mr.Warren Weinstein’s religion.If he is a jew as daniel pearl was then he is dead for sure coz Pakistanis have special love for jews.


  • pakpinoy
    Aug 15, 2011 - 1:52PM


    Your first reply was reasonable. The second one ekes of a highly problematic perspective.

    Do you really believe the US owes Pakistan ANYTHING? What for?? For helping create, support and nurture the monster-producing movement known as the Taliban that has led to a global security threat and destruction to such level in Afg & Pak that both are borderline failed states? Or maybe for doing the same with all the “non-state assets” and jihadi groups previously focused on the Eastern border?

    This reminds me of my Mom who has worked for years for the govt welfare department in the US. She deals with the “dregs” of US society who have lived their entire lives on entitlements and handouts to the point that they really believe they are “owed” something, though they’d rarely get off their lazy selves to make something of themselves on their own sweat and effort. They complain, they gripe, they demand and whine like spoiled children. They blame society, outside factors, “hidden powers” and the like for their woes instead of standing in front of the mirror everyday and taking responsibility for their own lives.

    In another ironic analogy, the women like this frequently choose to have additional children (out of wedlock no doubt) because it “pays” better than actually getting a job and developing themselves.

    My suggestion to all Pakistanis is to free yourself from the shackles of blaming everyone but yourselves for your problems. The world is full of examples of nations who overcame tremendous obstacles to develop and prosper. No other nation is preventing Pakistan from prospering. There may be hindrances but there ALWAYS are in any grand endeavor!

    I do agree with you that what “measly” amount of aid the US gives (of course compared to Pakistan’s GDP, it’s not so measly…but that’s another story…) often goes into a sinkhole and hardly does anything positive. I’d prefer our govt stop wasting money on a failed investment. As a businessman, I know you don’t invest in something that’s failing. You invest in something that is either already successful or has a clear vision and path towards success. Pakistan has neither by a long shot. Until it does, the money is better spent on nations who know where they’re going and understand how they can make a positive contribution to the inter-connected, globalized world.Recommend

  • Udaya Bose
    Aug 15, 2011 - 2:39PM

    @Ex Pakistani:
    Muslim tradition? In Pakistan? Are you serious?


  • Aug 15, 2011 - 9:54PM

    When did I say the US owes Pakistan and therefore must give us Aid?You should read my post properly.
    I said the complete opposite, we (the Pakistani people) DONT want this Aid, you can use it instead on more of your dregs and trailer trash.
    We don’t want your ‘Aid’ which goes to dubious NGOs run by Americans, while we are left with the bill.
    Pakistan is the world’s 27th biggest economy in GDP (PPP) terms, around half a trillion dollars, so in comparison to that the sums are still measly.
    You write : “helping create, support and nurture the monster-producing movement known as the Taliban that has led to a global security threat and destruction to such level in Afg & Pak that both are borderline failed states?”
    Which country does the above really describe, Pakistan or the USA? The USA was the womb that created the frankenstein monster of extremism.


  • Aug 15, 2011 - 10:00PM

    Daniel pearl was not killed because he was a jew. He died because he was an inquisitive journo who got tangled up with violent extremists whose interview he was trying to attain. The same violent extremists who have killed more than 50,000 innocent Pakistanis since the killing of Daniel Pearl.
    I’ve never read or heard of any Jew being targetted before or since that incident.


  • Ex Pakistani
    Aug 15, 2011 - 11:04PM

    I say stop talking to them…. ask them to leave and we severe all ties. We have such a big economy… I mean we are doing great infact. No problem of unemployment or runaway inflation or debt burden. Why do we need aid. We have land to grow crop, we have land on which our animals can graze and we have Afghanistan and Iran to trade with. What else do we need? Lets default. one good thing will be we will default…. Recommend

  • Dallas Ali
    Aug 16, 2011 - 5:20AM

    You hit the nail on the head again.

    “Do you really believe the US owes Pakistan ANYTHING? What for?? “

    You can’t reason with some of the folks on this forum. Pak’s problems are being blamed on external factors. As a tax payer I wish we use the funds that are going into sinkhole; instead be used here in TX.

    The forum needs to be renamed “Blame Game” From blaming US military hardware being overpriced to the equip being obsolete. No one has clue on how long the the life cycle of the weapon system is; the B-52 was developed in 50’s before I was born and is still a force to recon with. I have been working on F22 (on/off) for over 20 years; and they will continue to rule the sky’s next 40 year. Bottom line the world HAS passed them by and they have missed the boat. The nation cannot even fulfill the basics of everyday i.e food, water, electric; yet some of these clowns say we do not need anything from anyone and we will default on loans, they have no economic clue as to how the global economy works. What a mess….


  • Aamir
    Aug 16, 2011 - 1:05PM

    he was picked jst two days before he ws abt to leave the country… isn’t it a safer way to take ur residents back home while leaving the world wid an impression, ‘see who pakitanis are’ lolz


  • Rana Asghar
    Aug 16, 2011 - 4:50PM

    We are infected with conspiracy theories especially about CIA. The poor guy was over 70 years old & had doctrate in human development. Have mercy on his poor soul.


  • Iftikhar-ur-Rehman
    Aug 16, 2011 - 8:13PM

    @Ex Pakistani:
    Did you see the IF there or not??? I said If he is a CIA.Understand???


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