The Pakistan Navy is keeping its main battleships away from Karachi, and has moved them to another port in Ormara, Balochistan, as security threats continue, sources in the navy say.
The navy sent its warships away from its main base in Karachi as a “precautionary measure” after a 16-hour siege of its main naval airbase, PNS Mehran. The commando-style gun and rocket-propelled grenade attacks resulted in the destruction of two P3C Orion airplanes – which were key naval assets.
(Read: PNS Mehran attack: Vulnerable, embarrassed and targeted)
Since the terrorist attack, battleships have been stationed in Ormara, navy sources say.
According to one person familiar with the matter, the navy chief ordered the immediate movement of an entire fleet after the PNS Mehran attack keeping in view the all-time high security threats, which continue to loom even today. The May 22 base attack occurred just weeks after three navy buses were bombed in the city on April 26 and April 28.
However, another senior navy official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that not an entire fleet, but “definitely quite a few” warships had to be moved to Ormara for security reasons after the attack. He added that, despite the movement, Karachi remains secure since there are other naval assets in place guarding the city.
A Pakistan Navy spokesperson declined to comment on the report and said that the navy does not comment on “operational details.”
Senior retired navy and air force officials, however, welcomed the move and termed the navy chief’s decision as “pragmatic” and “positive”.
Retired Vice Admiral Tanvir Ahmed said that one of the golden rules in warfare, especially when facing a threat from an unknown enemy, is to disperse your assets in as many bases as you can. “Never put all your eggs in one basket,” he said.
Ahmed said it would be wrong to portray that the navy felt so threatened by four terrorists that it had to move away its warships from their main harbor in Karachi. “It’s not a question of fear, but a matter of tactic,” he said.
Retired Vice Admiral Javed Iqbal underlined another important benefit of the move: “Unlike many navy bases in Karachi, such as Mehran, that are in the centre of residential areas, Ormara is a far off base,” he said, adding that any terrorist there would be spotted from miles away.
He said the movement of ships to Ormara would give “strategic depth” and better defence positions to the navy. He also rejected the notion that the fear factor may have played a major role in the decision. “I’ve been a commando myself and I can tell you this is a brilliant tactical move,” he said.
Retired Air Vice-Marshal Shahzad Chaudhry said the navy has been keeping its assets at the Ormara port for quite some time, but obviously it was not as huge as the “home base” of Karachi. He said that, further down Ormara, some aerial assets have also been kept at Pasni in the past, adding that moving assets is a sensible move.
Published in The Express Tribune, August 5th, 2011.
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@Nazir Habib: Dream on!!
@Incredible: "Good you got 1/3. Now how are you going to divide the balance? Like Karachi?"
The 1/3 of Kashmir with us, is a peaceful region.. compared to the 2/3 of it with you, which is plagued by violence.. since very long time.. Moreover, the 2/3 part occupied by you, is also being eyed by China.. Now, you may divide the balance yourself, keeping the above facts in view!
The safest port for Pakistani Navi is a Chinese Port!
@Choudry: Are your children are in Karachi or are they in a university in the West and safe?
@Ashan: Good you got 1/3. Now how are you going to divide the balance? Like Karachi?
@J Oberoi: "Just like Iraq sent all their planes to Iran for safekeeping during the first Gulf War,.... " You do realize that Iran refused to return all that military hardware after the war to Iraq saying that it was keeping it all as reparation for the 10-year war Iraq had forced on it. Just a reminder! India has not received its reparations from Pakistan for four wars Pakistan forced on it.
@Nazir Habib: hey keep dreaming as dreams come for free
@Vicram Singh: "True, but before India intervened, you HAD a lot more than 1/3."
REPLY:You need to brush up your facts about history as well, apart from the misperception about financial status of your country.. It was you who had occupied whole Kashmir by force, just after independence in 1947, and we managed to secure 1/3 of Kashmir from you in the war of 1948..
What a cowardly thing to do? Rather than improve security and intelligence the navy or for that matter the army or the air force just run away from the problem. This is what signifies Pakistan and the situation will only get worse. These so called defenders are the biggest cowards I have ever seen.
@ To all; Stop gettting exploited by those patriotic songs.... Aey watan key sajeeley jawanon n bla bla cuz they dont exist atleast in the decision making raanks of Pak Army! I suggest we should end this institute, Spend the money on education and health,,, Jus a border force or else pay some to the real patriotic tribals who have been guarding us for years without pay and instead bombarded by drones cuz our army is scared of America! Army is meant to guard nations dignity and soveriegnity whats the use when we dont have either....
@Stuka Nice logic....
Well i suppose Army has become used to luxuries that they have been enjoying since 1947. With the civilians living in the worst conditions Army has been enjoying on our taxes. One person joins Army and several coming grnrrations dont need to earn! Clubs, Garrisons, transport, residence all's free or almoast free. Plots in Defence( Other posh areas) on retirement and top positions in NHA, CDA, DHA, Mobile companies and every where its worth it u''ll find Gen(ret), Maj(ret) ...... and what else the Army that we are forced to feed with our sweat and blood now has declared every citizen a home grown terrorist....weather its Balochistan or KPK Army is free to decide who's patriotic and who's not and naturally death to those who r not...
That's interesting..Indians can all mock and glee on a simple military tactics of Pakistan navy but can't face a fact even today that some of these ships escorted/rescued more Indian citizens than Pakistanis few weeks ago. When the ransom was paid by Pakistanis and a Governor when Indian MPAs pulled out at the last moment of their commitments All they did then was eating their fingers so the can't comment or acknowledge it enough. And few years before the "Mighty" Indian Navy couldn't spot "Pakistani" insurgent coming in through the middle of their naval exercises to make a Bomb-Day in their port city of BOMB-BAY.
@John: We feel proud to produce terrorists and smuggle drugs because these are the only areas we have been making progress in. With a huge mullah military and rightwing presence, we even provide sanctuary to terrorists as well. Our future is an obvious writing on the wall. Regards, Mirza
and of all the places, they sent it to Baluchistan! Isn't it seeing some kind of independence movement ?
It's hard to ignore the irony! Defenders are hiding away to protect themselves. Remind me who gets the largest budget cut...
Cowards. They have been ripping us of our resources and tax money. Now when the threat is ON, they are running like cowards. Why did we spent so much on these coward Defence Forces. We should have and still plan to spend more on education, health and social development
@Dr. Saleem Siddiqi
You should have used Altaf Hussain's ‘out of context’. We would believe you as we did Altaf.
This is another tetreat by pakistan forces in last some months.i think our forces need a courage to face situation.This is not a solution of any problem.
@John: I never said that , , , In fact Indians are so scared of Pakistan that they assume all sorts of cock and bull stories by themselves. Pakistan is on their nerves. Instead of protecting city peace, watch and ward duties, Mumbai Police was found dancing during their working hours.
How you expect your Navy and or Police to perform well if such a condition exists.
Regards
Dr. Saleem Siddiqi Johannesburg - South Africa
window for pakistan to have a controlled soft landing has closed. now on, there can only be a catastrophic meltdown of the state, society and polity and something new will have to be built from the ashes. there will be a major crisis one way or another
@Vicram Singh: What are you saying. You Indians are obsessed about kashmir. What you dont know is that Pakistanis are equally obsessed with kashmir. The obsession between the two of you will ensure Balochistan's Independence.
@Ahsan: " ... And for your comment regarding the ‘lust for Kashmir’.. Since 1948, 1/3 of Kashmir is with us.. which you couldn’t dare to take back.. "
True, but before India intervened, you HAD a lot more than 1/3.
Reported by ET today:
BEIJING: China will show no leniency to those who perpetrate terrorist activities, the country’s top police official said on Thursday, the most senior official comment since deadly attacks shook China’s western Xinjiang region over the weekend.
“Those criminals who dare to test the law and commit violent terrorist acts will be shown no leniency, no appeasement and no soft heart,” Public Security Minister Meng Jianzhu said.
Any comments antone?
And the Indians obsessed with Pakistan have a field day on the news article :)
@Vicram Singh: does Indian Government have money to feed millions of poor who live slums of Bombay and Delhi. Mr look your interior situation before you critizize others. Focus on your issues- Advice
So, we would rather retreat than fight the enemy on their own territory? This is the outcome of ceding territory in your own country to 'friendly' or 'good' barbarians.
"dont you have a good news paper back home… "
we actually don't. Have you seen what crap Times of India and Hindustan Times are? The only good Indian newspaper site is the Hindu, but it is very South Indian focused. So Punjabis from India prefer to here and hang out. Besides, better to read bad news of Pakistan and feel happy than bad news of India and feel sad. :)
Now Ormara is connected by road through coastal highway so Naval Bosses can also have pleasure trips in their 8 series BMWs .... probably the only navy in the world that can also claim to have a fleet of 8 series BMWs also.....
@Rock: Watch the image again, it is a marker not an estimated position. Not only that it also mentions bearing. Just because you dont know doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
@Dr. Saleem siddiqui...
So you do agree the terrorist came from pakistan... Now the whole knows where terrrorist breed... One thing i don't understand about pakistanis.. How do you feel so proud to breed terrorist???
@Nazir Habib:
Hello Nazir Saheb,
And adding to what Vickram just now said :
And the lust continues ......
@Vicram Singh: It is well known how much money India has, as it couldn't save its citizens from Somali pirates.. And they were saved due to the ransom paid by Ansar Burney, a social activist from Pakistan.. Mumbai has the largest slum in the world.. and largest Red Light Area in Asia as well.. apart from Calcutta.. And it seems like the clothes are too expensive in your country, as it is evident from your scantily dressed famous Bollywood actresses.. who are thought to be VERY RICH, still can't afford to cover their bodies.. And for your comment regarding the 'lust for Kashmir'.. Since 1948, 1/3 of Kashmir is with us.. which you couldn't dare to take back..
for all those who commented PLz understands naval assets are not for fighting gunmen they have complete different role to play, if u have an eye on karachi harbour u will observe its very unrealistic to keep naval assets thier. navy since 1980s is trying to move away from commercial port of khi to naval port. its step toward better strategic location more suitable for operational preparadness of navy. we as nation have habit to comment or advice without being expert of anything. which is not only a source of misinformation but false allegations also .so plz if u feel u know the matter well than its good to enlighten others also . i guess its a job of navy they know better wat to do wat not to do
May be Indian Navy who had a great success against the Somali pirates could be requested to give a helping hand to the Pak Navy against terrorists attack.
So now nothing is either classified or top secret. Media gets all information about these sensitive moves as well. This means both Jehadi and their friends in media house can get what ever information is required on any subject to keep our security agencies embarrassed. It is better for our Armed Forces to inform the whole world about their movements before any tom, dick or harry leaks them out.
@Nazir Habib:
I know of the tiny group of Naga rebels, but Sir, could you explain what's the deal with RSS, West Bengal and more importantly, Tamils? I suspect that your are simply ignorant.
Well to Tariq,Vicram & company I would say onething, Pak Navy is way better than indian navy when it comes to secure their own people...Recent example MV-Suez...
The word "tactic" seems alien to some people, identities of whom cannot be hidden if they keep different names. Its not about protecting the city or moving out of fear. Navy still considers Karachi secure and contribute via its assets, thought some of them have been moved. The one liner "“Never put all your eggs in one basket" should have said it all. Brains, alas!
@Vicram Singh: Please do not under-estimate Pakistan Navy with your Indian Navy whom we saw failed to protect shores of Mumbai and allowed Terrorists came in a boat and played Havoc in Mumbai and killed score of Mumbaikars.
You must take care of your homeland first before criticizing others.
Regards
Dr. Saleem Siddiqi
Johannesburg - South Africa
This sort of information is supposed to be confidential and for the media to shamelessly publish it for all and sundry (including individuals that may have great use for this info) is irresponsible.
is it Pakistan army(Navy) wins any war?
@Moise: You are still numb. have you read what I wrote? " Ofcourse there are incidents where partiular ships assigned mission. but sea position is never disclosed" INS Godavari is in gulf region that position is already known to entire world. More than 17 foreign ships rescued from pirates. Are you going to compare this news with "Navy battleships moved away from karachi to Ormara, Balochistan to avoid terror attack". as I said everything is funny.
I think it is a brilliant move. As the writer said its pragmatic to disperse the assets. Whats is so wrong with that. All the bloody Indians, go back to ur kennel and worry abt your home grown militants outfits. There are 27 of them .
for all those who commented PLz understands naval assets are not for fighting gunmen they have complete different role to play, if u have an eye on karachi harbour u will observe its very unrealistic to keep naval assets thier. navy since 1980s is trying to move away from commercial port of khi to naval port. its step toward better strategic location more suitable for operational preparadness of navy. we as nation have habit to comment or advice without being expert of anything. which is not only a source of misinformation but false allegations also .so plz if u feel u know the matter well than its good to enlighten others also . i guess its a job of navy they know better wat to do wat not to do
@Nazir Habib: enjoy day-dreaming....kashmir has never been of any importance either to India or to Pakistan, at least not in the manner that it is portrayed...if it is for water, Kashmir should sell it to both India and Pakistan. If it is for China's access to the warm waters of the Arabian Sea (through India or through Pakistan), again all concerned countries should take this as an opportunity to sell this to China....in short, the mater is of financial value and worth...currently, only for the armed forces of India and Pakistan (they would have to stop eye-washing the public as to where the taxpayer's money is ACTUALLY being spent)....in case Kashmir is independent of both India and Pakistan, it would be best for national as well as regional peace for all stakeholders....what could be better than that?
lol. navy scared of civilians? So how do they fight Indian navy then?
@Nazir Habib: " The areas bordering Pakistan will become our PROTECTORATES. "
Err .... does Pakistan Railways have money for fuel ?
@Rock: Yes they do http://bit.ly/axwAB0 .
ummm.... Now that we know they are being moved to Ormara, how is it safe? shouldn't this information be classified?
@Tariq: That's not running away.. I think if this i cowardice or something, forces should and MUST never resort to secret operations anywhere.
Capability of our Armed Forces have become questionable. They are not capable to protect themselves, how can they protect & defend the country ?
Agreed with Rock, it's quite embarrassing ..
The terrorists do not need a communication hub. Our media is doing a good enough job for them.
Making news about movement of Pakistan Navy's battle ship to an specific area, public in the newspapers is most stupid.It is a purely secret operational matter. This is an Ostrich-like approach by the Pakistan Navy. If threats also develop in Ormara in Balochistan area then where these battleships are going to hide from the terrorists? However, moving away the battleships due to the fear of terrorists at Karachi area will not serve the purpose because terrorists can also reach Ormara area by taking help from the insiders of these battleships like they were helped while they attacked PNS Mehran air base on May 22.
Why have Navy assets in a heavily populated urban city like Karachi anyway. They should have been in Ormara long ago but the naval officers were too happy to be lazily living in a big city. It's high time all of the major military centres are shifted away from big cities to defensible locations away from civilians like they do in developed nations. They need to do the same for army headquarters which is still based in downtime Rawalpindi whereas it should be in some more removed area away from civilian populations. Better late then never- at least the navy is learning and hopefully now the air force and army will wake up too.
Good move by Pakistan Navy.
To all the indian Torlls - dont you have a good news paper back home... Why do you feel compelled to share you "expert" views about all things Pakistan. I guess you are more obsessed with Pakistan than we are with India....
When the time will come, the fleet at Ormara may behave like "7th fleet" as in the past or at least can make an excuse like that. Strategic depth means rat ran into holes. Very bad news items, who ever tailored it, sent a signal of desperation and depression.
So are the ships being moved to land locked afghanistan which is suppose to provide strategic depth when as per establishment logic, when India attacks, the security forces will seek shelter in Afganistan ?
"rejected the notion that the fear factor may have played a major role in the decision. “I’ve been a commando myself and I can tell you this is a brilliant tactical move,”
I agree that this is a tactical move. However, why did they not think about this before the Mehran attack? It is purely due to the fear that the navy could not defend itself at Mehran and is not sure about the safety of all the important toys. These expensive toys and the huge army are supposed to protect Pakistan and its people. How can they do it when the most imp toys and navy itself is not safe? This is a fact that the enemy is within the armed forces and they are feeling insecure and unsafe. The terrorists from within knew full well about the importance and presence of our most expensive and imp toys, and knew how to destroy them successfully using a handful of people. What else is not safe in Pakistan? How about our nuclear toys, and what is the guarantee that they are in “capable” hands?
@Vicram Singh: Dont worry my dear, Kashmir will be ours and India will rent asunder by your home grown terrorist groups like RSS, Nagas and down South where the India peninsula tapers meaning the Tamils. And oh yes, dont forget West Bengal communists. The areas bordering Pakistan will become our PROTECTORATES. Have a nice day
May be need a new navy to protect the existing navy,which has totally forgotten, how to fight and has morphed into a real estate business venture, and is busy selling land lots in Bahria Towns, all over the country
@Tariq: Of course, one hundred percent right you are. Salams.
Everything is funny... have you seen any country who disclose the ship positions? Ofcourse there are incidents where partiular ships assigned mission. but sea position is never disclosed. The message to common man in pakistan " Military assests are not safe".
Wow!!! So, when Mao spoke of the Americans as the "Paper Tigers" he did not mean the term to apply exclusive for the Americans. Quite revealing to me who grew up in Karachi and used to hear of the "Martial Race" in yesteryears.
@Tariq: " ... So Pakistan Military cannot even protect its assets, how can you protect the country .... "
and yet there is lust for Kashmir.
@ Tariq
Genius! Pak Navy is designed to protect the country from external threats, India in particular, not from its own people since now the enemy lies with in yourself. They are not coming from thousands of miles away to attack us, they are just here.Its better for PN to disperse their resources away under strict security.
So the navy leaves the country's biggest and most important city because it is 'unsafe'? Says so much about the state of Karachi and our beloved military. I really thought the military was there to defend us, my mistake.
Has the nation ever owned any battleships? Readers deserve to know the type of ships involved, rather than such misleading sensationalism that has become the norm here.
So Pakistan Military cannot even protect its assets, how can you protect the country
In the face of security concerns, retreat? What kind of signal does that send?