JuD's Hafiz Saeed declares suicide bombings un-Islamic
He said that the brutal killings of Muslims under the name of a so-called Jihad was a condemnable, inhuman and un-Islamic act and that the people doing the suicidal bombings do not belong to Islam.
He stated this while addressing a separate meeting of the workers at Daska city.
The JuD chief said that peace, economical and political stability in Pakistan was possible only in following the teachings of Islam and through Jihad.
Later, addressing a convention of the local traders at Sambrial, Hafiz Muhammad Saeed revealed that the USA has used Pakistan for its (USA) personal gains and now the time has come for the incumbent rulers of Pakistan to get rid of USA.
He said that Indian has never accepted Pakistan as well as the partition of the Indo-Pak subcontinent, which was a shameful act on India’s part which claims to be the biggest democracy in the world.
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@Ashutosh: 'I feel that the millions of muslims had turned to terrorism and violence irrespective of what is mentioned in Quran.'
Very True picture.Other millions of the faith who follow peace and tolerance should rise and crush the extremists!
@Ashutosh: No need to apologize. We all are "Misguided Missiles". You have simply spoken out your heart which is good for you and all who read your comments.
@Khan: @hassan: @Mansoor: Thanks for the response. Can you explain : . Why Saeed objected to "brutal killing of Muslims as unislamic" and not other follower of other faith? . Why Quran refers the people of other faith as "Qafir" (or the like) which, I understand, is derogatory? . Is the religious teachings at madrasas not the breeding grounds of terror in Pakistan? . Why it is so easy to convert a muslim to terrorist? . Why (almost) all the terrorists are muslims? Why they mostly target innocent civilians? . Why we find a maulana leading most terror groups? . I had seen that most of the rioting and violence lead by muslims had erupted after the Friday afternoon prayer? (The prayer dose not seems to have a sobering effect but to the contrary ignite passion in the follower.) . I feel that the millions of muslims had turned to terrorism and violence irrespective of what is mentioned in Quran. Also, all terrorists have strong links with madrasas and maulanas. . This is my feeling and I may be I am totally wrong or have strong bias for which I apologize!
@Ashutosh: I'm sorry but you have got it absolutely wrong. In the Quran, it very clearly says, 'if you kill a human being (not just a muslim) unjustly as though you have killed the whole of humanity'. There is no where in Islam it says non-muslims are less of an human being. Yes, in the context of a battle or war then it is permissable to kill those who come to attack you. But even in the battle field if someone offers you peace then not only accept that but also take that person to the place of security (this is what is commanded). If you need then I can also send you the exact references.
@Incredible: I wish that he does dare to enter India. After all Hafiz is equivalent of Osama to Indians. He will get what he deserves.
well said hafiz sahib and Folks remember he only believes that people of his faith are muslims only. Others inlcuding sunni, shia, deobandi, beralvis are not muslims according to his belief.
Have to give credit when it's due. This man knows how to steal the limelight. As they say, you can love him, you can hate him but you can't ignore him.
@Hassan Farooqi: They do not kill them in the name of Judaism.
@ F Khan
Norwegian did not kill people in the name of Christianity!
@Timorov: You are ignoring the very obvious fact that, right or wrong, many Muslims have a different interpretation of religious doctrine, and believe that suicide attacks and all sorts of other nasty, uncivilized behavior is permitted, and even REQUIRED, of Muslims. The rise of extremism in the Islamic world, for whatever reason, cannot be swept under the rug by moderates claiming that "Islam does not allow this" and leaving it at that. The Muslim world needs to do a much better job of countering extremist dogma through active education, intervention, and REJECTION of extremism AND the extremists who spread this poison. If the recent trajectory of Pakistan over the last 30 years is any indication of the direction of things, the moderates are losing that battle big time!! Stop blaming the rest of the world for your problems and clean house!!!
Pakistan seriouely concentrate on education otherwise there will be thousands of hafiz saeed who will confuse your own society and that will be first step for anarchy.
He is a Muslim because he was born in a Muslim family. Had he been born in Norway he might have been a fundamentalist Christian. Everyone's religion is an accident of fate, nothing to get excessively excited about!
He should first declare lying as un-islamic
Please do not badmouth our “strategic asset”. He is Hafiz, and an Islamic scholar with following in Jihadist circles. Seriously, he along with his ISI supporters has been under pressure especially now the US has killed OBL and can concentrate on smaller fish. He has committed crimes against humanity and must be handed over to the International Court of Justice to be put away forever. He can use any garb but people like him are a bad name for Pakistan and Islam.
welldone Iftikhar, you gave right response. so-called educated people (To me non sense) did not relating context of the speech with statement but start shouting abruptly.
Topic was "Sucide Attack in Pakistan" so he passed statment on it, if topic were Terrorism in the world he give statment on this.
Ifthikar says
"Let’s be clear and talk with facts,
No court in India,US or Pakistan has proved Hafiz Saeed’s involvement in 26/11. JUD lead by Hafiz Saeed does not have a single F.I.R in its name from a minor crime to any major terrorist attack."
No court in India/USA can prove his involvement unless he's a party to the case. Would you send him to India for a fair trial? Also, Pakistan can easily prove his involvement, provided they don't drag their feet and are sincere in their efforts.
"4.Christians and Hiindus in Pakistan have supported and rallied for them"
Can you imagine the fate of these Hindus (which is what? less than 1% of your population, from about 20% in 1947?) and christians, if they wouldn't support these goondas? Can you imagine how hard their lives become?
@Iftikhar Islamophobia is facilitating Hard Right Groups. But, their main fear is "foreigners." These foreigners include South Asians who are not Muslims, sorry to say! In India there are Hitler lovers, which these hard right types (neo nazis, etc) will find an affiliation with, abhorrent as it may be media fueling Islamophobia! Hard Right parties are antiimmigrant per se.
@Ashutosh Dude! just two things....Read Quran....And actually read sayings of the Prophet (SAW) before writing such things abt ur understanding of Islam......i mean what u wrote is the worst form of ignorance and so absurd thts its not even funny!
@Cautious: I think the entire premise of your comment is bogus and points to exactly the kind of sweeping generalization that the likes of Fox news engages in. Hafiz Saeed is not a Muslim leader but a fringe element, and there are many such fringe figures in all major religions who speak of wanton killing etc (assuming that Hafiz Saeed promotes that).
The Islamic canon and legal doctrine, and hundreds of Muslim scholars (for instance at the Amman declaration) will confirm this makes it abundantly clear that killing any human being is un-Islamic and a grave injustice against humanity itself. The Qur'an also makes it very clear that anybody who kills another human is tantamount to killing all of humanity.
Enough of the Islamaphobia!! I think if anything the tragic Oslo bombings just proved what people of your though process have perpetrated!
Let's be clear and talk with facts,
No court in India,US or Pakistan has proved Hafiz Saeed's involvement in 26/11. JUD lead by Hafiz Saeed does not have a single F.I.R in its name from a minor crime to any major terrorist attack.JUD/HS has always preached tolerance within Muslim sects and minorities as well. Never in history of JUD they have been involved in any hate crime against Minorities
4.Christians and Hiindus in Pakistan have supported and rallied for them.
JUD has a strong stance since day one of suicide bombings in Pakistan in the name of JIhad.
This is not the first time Hafiz Saeed has said this, he along with numerous scholars of his group are condemning Takfeeri terror with knowledge and reasons since long. Some people have mentioned if muslim cannot kill muslim can he kill a non-musilm, that's so naive, the topic of the talk was the prevaling chaos in Pakistan not the over all JIhad which is not against any innocent non-muslim, its only against those who attack you, and there are many audios proves where Hafiz saeed claims to believe in same ideology of only waging jihad against those who attack you. For those who commented from India, and US well you guys need to worry about your own tyrannic regimes killing innocents around the world. Not to forget your latest zombie-production Norwegian Christian Terrorist.7.6.
"He said that Indian has never accepted Pakistan as well as the partition of the Indo-Pak subcontinent, which was a shameful act on India’s part which claims to be the biggest democracy in the world."
India has an embassy in Pakistan and allows Pakistan to have an embassy in India. This means Indiar ecognizes Pakistan.
It is true that Indians do not recognize the 2 Nation Theory that Hindus and Muslims are 2 separate nations and cannot live together. It is not just Indian Hindus but Indian Muslims who totally do not accept that Hindus and Muslims cannot live together in peace or else they would not have stayed back in India at the time of parition.
In fact there is no outcry when a Hindu boy marries a Muslim girl or a Muslim boy marries a Hindu girl. In other words Hindus and Muslims can even stay in the same home peacefully accordingtoIndians.
But just because we do not accept the 2 nation theory which formed the basis of partition, it does not mean that we want to roll back partition and merge with Pakistan. There would be no benefit whatsoever in doing so for India. We are a secular , democratic republic where diversity is not just tolerated but cherished AND we want to keep it that way.
@Long Standing: Didn't you notice he also said "Islam is a religion of peace, which gives a lesson of love, unity and affection." Dear, What you quoted, You are taking that out of context.
He is not an educated man. He is not educated in his religion. He should read the Holy Book in a language he understands and preferably not the version published by Wahhabis which is warped. Wahhabism is very intolerant. It is even infecting Muslims of Kerala who have been brainwashed by ME where they went to work. The Keralans have a better version of Islam and one that is older and thus closer to the source. They should appreciate superiority of what they have.
Hafiz Saeed is an idiot and a stain upon Pakistan's reputation and identity. Why must we let men like this go free when they should be tried for treason and murder? Where is Imran Khan's dharna against this murderous man?
Hafiz Saihb, you could have waited another couple of years before your this new pontification. Just 35000 Pakistanis, in addition to Afghans, Kashmiris, Indians, Americans and others have yet died.. is it not too early to call off suicide attacks?
Moreover, what do you want from India which would finally convince you that Indians have accepted the reality of Pakistan? Please, please, do not say Kashmir! We are already on the verge of loosing Pakistan in the quest of Kashmir.
he has grown quite fat.pakistan takes good care of terrorists.
@stuka: Please dont get angry at us. It was written in our text books that India never liked / recognized Pakistan since the day 1. Your text books say similar things. (I am talking about some examples only, from both countries). @others: He was talking about suicide attacks in Pakistan. WHO does not know that only Muslims were killed in these attacks? Leave him aside. Tahirulqadri has a whole book on the subject. Hopefully, the book shall shut you up.
Ban all these terrorist organization ... We don't need any of these criminals, unless these parties cease to exist and their leaders put behind bars our country's future will remain dark ... If Govt wants to resolve issues of Kashmir they should let Kashmiri do it or do it via peaceful means ... Instead focus on internal issues and give education, electricity to the country.
@Ashutosh: Dude .. Do you think a person who would say Not to harm any one or attack any one and fight in self defence (Jihad) only if you are attacked and even during the war don't harm an un-armed person, could have said those kind of things that you are referring to?. I don't know why is every one trying to start a war between billion of followers of a religion who are peacefully trying to live apart from those who are either misguided or forced to fight. Islam doesn't allow killing of any human or permits of suicide PERIOD. Prophet PBUH himself forgave the killer of his uncle. As a muslim what I have been told my whole life is that GOD can forgive all your sins but will not forgive you for the rights of others. So if you harm or kill any other human even Allah can not forgive you for that unless that person does so on the day of judgement.
Hafiz Saeed is awesome
The most heinous and the most cruel crimes of which history has record have been committed under the cover of religion or equally noble motives. Gandhi Sahib
@M. Siddiq: No it just took him 10 years to lie to us. Nobody believes he has or can have a change of heart.
@Cautious: "I wonder what Muslims would think if non Muslim leaders made speeches which implied it was a sin to kill people of their faith but OK to kill Muslims?". Actually they do.
First take the case of Israelies. They reaffirm the rights of neighbors, but do not count Palestinians as neighbors. They believe Palestinians have no soul and it is OK to kill them and grab their land.
Second, take the case of televangelists here in the USA. They preach peace, but also say all Muslims are an infestation and must be wiped out.
The secularist jewel Baba Bulle Shah sahib wrote: **Mullah and the torch-bearer, both from the same flock....... giving light to others, themselves in darkness! ........................................................................................................................................... Neither Hindu nor Muslim, Sacrificing let us sit together. Neither Sunni nor Shia, Let us walk the road of peace.
"He said that the brutal killings of Muslims under the name of a so-called Jihad was a condemnable, inhuman and un-Islamic act and that the people doing the suicidal bombings do not belong to Islam."
What he means is that brutal killings and suicidal bombings are proper Jihad and Islamic if conducted against non-Muslims.
How has India not accepted the creation of Pakistan?
Gandhi went on a hunger strike to make the moral case for India transferring it's share of funds to Pakistan.
India recognizes Pakistan
Vajpayee went to Minar e Pakistan and made a speech for India Pak relations to be normalized.
What more do you want? Yes, there is a territorial dispute of Kashmir, even there though India claims POK, it has made clear to accept LOC as border. How is India not wanting to give territory to Pakistan not recognizing Pakistan?
It is Pakistan (jihadi element) that does not accept the existence of India.
"He said that India has never accepted Pakistan as well as the partition of the Indo-Pak subcontinent, which was a shameful act on India’s part which claims to be the biggest democracy in the world."
Saeed Saheb, Hypocrites like You and Your Ilk have inflicted way more harm and done irreparable damage to my beloved nation than by what Indians think of us or their perspective on the partition. Please quit inventing lies and unfounded fears about India, USA or any other country and have a peek under your own bed.
Also in the same meet he has has "vowed to enter India through Jammu and Kashmir". What his paid master could not deliver, he himself is giving himself up. India awaits for your arrival.
Hafiz Sahib, it is too little and too late after thousands of lives gone astray. That shows now our military does not have any choices left to keep you intact. Anyway thank you for your statement.
Another amendment to the Quran by a mortal.
OK, then which type of bombing is Islamic???? How can Muslims get rid from non-Muslims in a Islamic way???? Killings, bombings so on and so forth, don't you have any thing else to talk about????
The master-mind responsible for massacre of 166 people in India is posing as a well-wisher of Pakistan to avoid prosecution for henious crime committed by him. However, his statement regarding jihad and Islam shows his warped mindset which remains unchanged.
What a joke SOB sent 10 people on a suicide mission into my city. I cant believe such a man has mass following
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I wonder what Muslims would think if non Muslim leaders made speeches which implied it was a sin to kill people of their faith but OK to kill Muslims? Sometimes I think Muslims are just clueless.
Perhaps this stanza from a famous Ghazal fits here;
"Mera Azm Itna Buland Hai ? Ke Paraaye Sholon Ka Darr Nahin ! Mujhe Khauf Aatish-E-Gul Se Hai, Yeh Kahin Chaman Ko Jala Na De"